physicall limitation is completly different for every human. look at bodystatures, some people are to small to reach for something in 2 meter height.Pacemaker wrote:
Who's that lmfao? Physical limitation and development applies for every human equally, so that's obviously complete bullcrap.
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Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming
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Cursor movement or Streaming?
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I agree but disagree with your first statement, unless you're treating 3/5 stack notes as streams.darkmiz wrote:
Being good at streams will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous jumps.buny wrote:
Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
ok. Both streaming and jumps are hard, but streaming is harder to train.
There is a thing called physical limitation.
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
Mind telling us who the examples are?darkmiz wrote:
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
I used tablet once and I couldn't even pass osu!tutorial. Your argument is invalid.darkmiz wrote:
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
I suck at streams. I always sucked at it anyway. Cursor movement is something you get sooner or later by practicing.
untill a couple of months ago i couldnt even pass 185 bpm for more than 9ish notesFrizz wrote:
Mind telling us who the examples are?darkmiz wrote:
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?Frizz wrote:
darkmiz wrote:
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
I still can't properly stream above 160 with over a year of playing. I can't keep up over 175ish at all.
I think this comes down to what level of play you are at. Once you get near the top streaming will be much more important since the hardest maps are typically high bpm. At the beginning, though, accurate cursor movement is key to getting better.
What. Yes it is.buny wrote:
Only if you can't stream 222bpm which isn't even what makes freedom dive hard in the first placeJappyBabes wrote:
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
I can stream 220bpm for 10 notes. 215bpm for 20 notes. 205bpm for 50 notes. 185bpm for 100 notes.
The above is more or less true for the large part of people who play this game actively and are keyboard-only streamers - i.e. 200bpm short term, 180bpm long term. Being able to stream 220bpm long-term is literally something most players are not physically capable of.
Are you a wizard. How the hell do you stream this fast this long.
If bpm was the bigger problem on freedom dive, there'd be a lot more no mod scores on it.Aqo wrote:
What. Yes it is.
I can stream 220bpm for 10 notes. 215bpm for 20 notes. 205bpm for 50 notes. 185bpm for 100 notes.
The above is more or less true for the large part of people who play this game actively and are keyboard-only streamers - i.e. 200bpm short term, 180bpm long term. Being able to stream 220bpm long-term is literally something most players are not physically capable of.
Are you a wizard. How the hell do you stream this fast this long.
This game is combo based, cursor movement relates to combo while streaming relates to accuracy. If your aim is good then you can FC lots of maps, then again you will probably fail at stuff like chipscape, but it's not like there are many maps like that. Then again if your aim is bad, even if you're a godlike streamer (see KeigoClear) you gonna have trouble with lots of maps, failing to FC even while getting top tier accuracy. Of course, other players gonna have a lot of trouble beating you, but then again you gonna go mad trying to FC any kind of hard map + mods since all of them end up requiring very good aim.
Both are important, but if I had to choose godlike aim or streaming, I'd get aim, no doubt. Remember how those most impressive scores you see from Niko, WW, Cookiezi and rrtyui are pretty much aim based. Even if their accuracy is great too, there are some other players that probably can get the same accuracy as them, but yet they can't do it because their aim is not good enough.
Freedom Dive is not hard because of 300 hit long 222 BPM streams, not at all, the stream practice version is way more exhausting and demanding than 4D, yet it is way easier to clear.
Both are important, but if I had to choose godlike aim or streaming, I'd get aim, no doubt. Remember how those most impressive scores you see from Niko, WW, Cookiezi and rrtyui are pretty much aim based. Even if their accuracy is great too, there are some other players that probably can get the same accuracy as them, but yet they can't do it because their aim is not good enough.
Freedom Dive is not hard because of 300 hit long 222 BPM streams, not at all, the stream practice version is way more exhausting and demanding than 4D, yet it is way easier to clear.
Even KeigoClear can't FC Freedom Dive, so I consider it a jump map.
It's not really a jump map tho.
Jump = snapping
Tracing streams = flow movement
it's not jumps. it's movement. there's a big difference.
how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
Tracing streams = flow movement
it's not jumps. it's movement. there's a big difference.
how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
Trust me when I tell you that you won't. It's harder than it looks. 
it's so hard my mind melts and becomes mush even by trying to comprehend how hard it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LYAqo wrote:
how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
Easy
how much does keigoclear-san's hand go for on e-bay?JappyBabes wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LY
Easy
One of the most important key to stream >200bpm is to keep your fingers relaxed. Proven by myself and Gatyaa, I was able to FC 4/5 part of rog-unlimitation with good accuracy (>95% I think before combobreak) on rubberdome keyboard while Gatyaa himself was able to reach >700 combo in Mad Machine on laptop keyboard.
Both of us didn't tense up our fingers on streams.
Both of us didn't tense up our fingers on streams.
And absolutely everyone can do this?
Everyone?
Even me?
Everyone?
Even me?
personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant streamZamura wrote:
personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.
Thanks, I'll try that outMMzz wrote:
Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.
Yes, I've seen on more than one occasion people mention the "magical" playcount number of 50-60k. I'm not really content to stay where I'm at skill-wise though, so I'm working towards it pretty actively these days, you'll notice my play history graph has increased significantly in the last two months (since we're checking profiles).silmarilen wrote:
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant streamZamura wrote:
personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
So Renard was not lying about the mindcontrol thing DDDDDDDDDDD:Frizz wrote:
Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.
ive noticed that i get the most skill increase when i get a very high monthly playcount. in the past 4 months ive probably improved as much as the whole year before it.
i improve when god wills me to improve.
recently, god hasn't really been too nice.
recently, god hasn't really been too nice.
well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better
whatsilmarilen wrote:
well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better
are you saying cookiezi doesn't exist
I refuse to believe that. he's out there somewhere, watching us from above
fuck
Why would you want to rank either of these as more important? They are both necessary skills to be an Osu! player.
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?kriers wrote:
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
Is fine with me.MxG PhiLL wrote:
movement is more important, but streaming is more impressive
movement, with movement you can basically play any map hdhr, with streaming... fc freedom dive?
kriers wrote:
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
Just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRnezk_LIds like WTF am i doing...
Those who say streaming is harder to train, did someone even tried to train it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8wos4fQBc
If someone needs it http://puu.sh/1lDo8
Doing this at least once a day(well not every day but you got what im saying...) gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
Just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRnezk_LIds like WTF am i doing...
Those who say streaming is harder to train, did someone even tried to train it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8wos4fQBc
If someone needs it http://puu.sh/1lDo8
Doing this at least once a day(well not every day but you got what im saying...) gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
ahahahhahahah no.LoGo wrote:
Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...