Score Multipliers for 4~8k [osu!mania]

Anceri

Joined June 2012

Topic Starter

Anceri 2012-10-29T03:27:07+00:00

If you think i'm referring to HR/HD/FL/DT/NC , no i'm not.

We have a mod option for playing 6k on a 7k map am i right?
I think we should set different score multipliers to each mod like 4k/5k/6k/7k/8k.
Because i think it'd be unfair if we are playing 6k and other people use 4k and still get higher score then us even though we use 6k.
Also i think 8k should have a higher score multiplier if we're playing on a 7k and below map, otherwise it's also unfair.

Here are some screenies if you don't get it.

4k/5k/6k/7k/8k each should have different score multipliers! otherwise it's unfair for gameplay.

SPOILER

woc2006

409 posts

Joined September 2011

woc2006 2012-10-29T08:02:07+00:00

Firstly, I don't agree with using nK mods to get higher scores, so all nK mods are <1 multipliers.
Secondly, I've made different multipilers for 2 cases, play with more keys and play with less keys.

ZeroEightOne

240 posts

Joined August 2011

ZeroEightOne 2012-10-29T11:25:37+00:00

I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this

Anceri

22 posts

Joined June 2012

Topic Starter

Anceri 2012-10-29T12:12:04+00:00

0814587134 wrote:
I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this

That was what i was meaning all along...

Amefuri Koneko

130 posts

Joined April 2010

Amefuri Koneko 2012-10-29T14:47:49+00:00

0814587134 wrote:
I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this

Not much sense in 1.x multipliers actually, diffs that autogen 4k are generaly super easy and they will stay super easy even with 7k-8k mod, there won't be any reason to play 4k easy diff cuz you can just learn to FC it with 7k mod in one evening.

On the other hand, 0.9x multiplier for 4k mod is WAY TOO HIGH, it should be at least 0.5x. Look up on youtube what stepmania\ffr players can do with 4k. This will lead to top 40 for any decent insane being taken by 4k SS's. Damn, Staiain already had a vid of him A'ing "big black" 4k. There're plenty of 7k insanes which are impossible\nearly impossible to 90% (mostly due to autogen abusing middle button), but they will be SS'd by 4k mod users in no time, believe me.

woc2006

409 posts

Joined September 2011

woc2006 2012-10-29T15:38:42+00:00

Ami Furi Koneko wrote:
0814587134 wrote:
I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this

Not much sense in 1.x multipliers actually, diffs that autogen 4k are generaly super easy and they will stay super easy even with 7k-8k mod, there won't be any reason to play 4k easy diff cuz you can just learn to FC it with 7k mod in one evening.

On the other hand, 0.9x multiplier for 4k mod is WAY TOO HIGH, it should be at least 0.5x. Look up on youtube what stepmania\ffr players can do with 4k. This will lead to top 40 for any decent insane being taken by 4k SS's. Damn, Staiain already had a vid of him A'ing "big black" 4k. There're plenty of 7k insanes which are impossible\nearly impossible to 90% (mostly due to autogen abusing middle button), but they will be SS'd by 4k mod users in no time, believe me.

4K 0.86x
7K 0.9x

Anceri

22 posts

Joined June 2012

Topic Starter

Anceri 2012-10-30T02:27:47+00:00

Couldn't 4k drop lower?
It doesn't make sense where most high rankings are done by 4Ks.

Look, a 4K getting higher then me , using 6k.

Last edited by Anceri 2012-10-30T03:31:09+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Kazuo

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Joined September 2010

Kazuo 2012-10-30T02:36:08+00:00

why not ranking boards for each keys?

theowest

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Joined January 2009

theowest 2012-10-30T03:08:43+00:00

Kazuo wrote:
why not ranking boards for each keys?

this guy

Anceri

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Joined June 2012

Topic Starter

Anceri 2012-10-30T03:30:38+00:00

theowest wrote:
Kazuo wrote:
why not ranking boards for each keys?
this guy

too epic.

peppy

19,301 posts

Here since the beginning

peppy 2012-10-30T03:35:19+00:00

Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.

Zamura_old

22 posts

Joined August 2010

Zamura_old 2012-10-30T03:50:39+00:00

peppy wrote:
Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.

lol'd

Bites

185 posts

Joined June 2012

Bites 2012-10-30T03:56:25+00:00

i already don't really like the 0.86 on 4k compared to other mods - both require a high degree of skill and many 7k players have shown themselves to be able to defeat 4k scores effortlessly and would've taken top ranks regardless of score mods!

but hey, it's already decent enough to be recognized as the 'best' 4k player on mania right now (that is, until staiain gets used to long notes) so i'm not really that iffed! it's all in good fun anyways, so i'll still be playing 4k regardless of whether it's at 0.9x score or 0.1x

speaking of which, someone go take my #1 on banned forever. 4k scores are noob, one of you 7k pros can do it!

Agka

680 posts

Joined January 2009

Agka 2012-10-30T04:45:40+00:00

this is an honest question.

why do you guys care about the autoconversion scores?

Kazuo

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Joined September 2010

Kazuo 2012-10-30T05:17:00+00:00

Anticipate wrote:
Couldn't 4k drop lower?
It doesn't make sense where most high rankings are done by 4Ks.

Look, a 4K getting higher then me , using 6k.

i was thinking about that too when i first saw the rankings, but hey if they do x score with x keys and your score with more keys is lower, doesnt it means that you should get better?

riffy

osu! Alumni

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Joined December 2010

riffy 2012-10-30T05:28:28+00:00

peppy wrote:
Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.

peppy wins again

Desco

14 posts

Joined January 2012

Desco 2012-10-30T16:38:37+00:00

Thank you, I was wondering about this. I play 7k and even though I don't care a lot about scores and ranks it's still annoying to get beaten out by players who use 4k when 7k is much more work.

VoidnOwO

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Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2012-10-30T18:19:34+00:00