As of now the kudosu system has been fully implemented. As discussed at the meeting, this system will be in testing over the coming weeks with an aim of increasing the amount of modding that happens, and reduce ranking turn-around time. Read on for important details!

Kudosu is a new rating system. You will see your kudosu count next to each of your posts (and in your profile soon). You earn kudosu by modding other people's maps. This means that when you post in another person's beatmap thread with feedback or tips on how to improve their map, they can award you 1 or 2 kudosu (depending on the age of the map) if they find your response useful.

If you are a BAT member, or the creator of a map, you will be able to allocate kudosu to other people in your threads. Please do this wisely, and only give kudosu when they are deserved. The main thing to think about before rewarding posters: Does this post contain constructive criticism about my map which will help me improve it?. The feedback doesn't necessarily need to be in-depth and technical - as long as you found it helpful, please give the poster kudosu.

Now you may ask what is the point of collecting kudosu? The second part of the system - the Star system (ETA: tomorrow) will see that you can trade in your kudosu for kudosu stars. These stars (along with user stars and BAT stars) will stack on your map and make it higher in the BAT modding priority list. The proposed rate of exchange is 3 kudosu for one kudosu star.

Once you earn kudosu, you will be able to trade them for kudosu stars which you can assign to a specific map (cannot be removed after they are used) to increase their priority. This means the more you mod other people's maps, the more your own maps will get noticed!

The Star System will be explained in more detail tomorrow, so hold out for that .

Please note that all kudosu allocations are logged and abusers will be punished. BATs have the ability to revoke and deny kudosu for specific posts.

Leave any feedback, comments or questions here!

p.s. All current posts in Pending Betamaps and Beatmap Help are subject to kudosu. Please go and give people the kudosu they deserve!

I'm glad for this and hope it works as intended. I'm hoping (at the very least) BATs can see who gave who kudosu so that we can detect any groups of individuals who are just spamming kudosu on one another in order to gain stars for map prioritizing. Anyone who does this is probably going to get some degree of the axe.

All actions are logged (including BAT actions). Revoked kudosu counts are accumulated per-user as well, and will be monitored closely.

Kudos to the Kudosu system, peppy.

However, I want to ask about collab maps. If the creator of the OP decides to mod another person's difficulty in that thread, can mods "force kudosu" that person's post?

YoshiKart wrote:

Kudos to the Kudosu system, peppy.

However, I want to ask about collab maps. If the creator of the OP decides to mod another person's difficulty in that thread, can mods "force kudosu" that person's post?

For the moment; no, this is not possible. May look at it later on.

Just to be clear:

-Can a map be given several stars, or just one? (just making sure I interpreted right... If so, it's a dumb question =P)

-Also, if your map has been given a star already by a BAT before this system is implemented, does that count as one kudosu star?

topic stars (the current BAT starring format) will be upgraded automatically to BAT stars.

BAT stars will increase priority by +3.
Kudosu stars will increase priority by +2.
User stars will increase priority by +1.

All of the above stars can stack. This means that many users can give you stars (once per user per map), you can trade in many kudosu for kudosu stars (no limit per map), and multiple BAT members can award their stars (once per BAT member per map).

I am thinking a bubble will increase priority by something close to 10, but will not be stackable.

I hope this works well. It just hurts to have your maps completely ignored by everyone. sadface.
Thanks yet again peppy. I'll try my best.

This sounds like a good idea.
Good job peppy.

the system sounds good. lets watch how it'll work.

but one thing isnt told. where is the part, when the map gets ranked? how is that done?
is it possible that a map without stars is getting ranked because there are no more bugs(that need to be modded)? because that is very possible i think. one map could get modded a lot but the creator didnt put kudosus(stars) on it.

tldr: at what part the map is getting ranked?


oh, also, how many users a creator can give kudosus to?

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foLn wrote:

the system sounds good. lets watch how it'll work.

but one thing isnt told. where is the part, when the map gets ranked? how is that done?
is it possible that a map without stars is getting ranked because there are no more bugs(that need to be modded)? because that is very possible i think. one map could get modded a lot but the creator didnt put kudosus(stars) on it.

tldr: at what part the map is getting ranked?


oh, also, how many users a creator can give kudosus to?

Well, if a lot of users modded it, thought it was good, and starred it, it would eventually gain enough priority to get modded if the creator didn't put any kudosu stars on it. Nothing found wrong with it, bubbled, + nice sized priority boost. Then if nothing found wrong with it again, ranked. If not, back to star, rinse and repeat. ;P

AKA as it always has, just with a priority list.

Also, a creator can give kudosu to anyone who makes an actual mod post in their topic. I don't think there's a limit? Don't give kudosu to posts that aren't mod posts, or that just say "this map sucks" or "this map is the best ever!" It should at least say why the map sucks, or the good points of the map, something that is useful.

This is a wonderful system. Great job.

Biggest and best news in all my time of playing Osu!

I think kudosu givers should have a sort of 'half-kudosu' for posts that are only mildly helpful.

Can we retroactively add Kudosu to already approved maps?

EDIT:
One thing I worry about this system is that it hurts new mappers.

1. Kudosu comes from giving good comments and criticism.
2. Being able to give good comments and criticism depends largely on the mapper's experience.
3. Experience comes largely from receiving criticism from maps they make.
4. New mappers won't receive as much criticism because older mappers have more kudosu.

The argument I see is that new players can look at and study maps that are being worked on, though the typical new mapper won't look as far as that unless being directly told to.

I propose that there be workshops. What I'm thinking is to have a pack of .osu files of short, simple songs with examples. Each song could focus on a different aspect of good beatmapping. The examples would highlight different approaches to beatmapping.

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Long maps shouldn't really be ranked. Try and cut down the length.

We are working on making it more noob friendly - having a random "mod a noob's map" button for people to use, and maybe a kudosu bonus for doing so.

The topic explains how kudosu are given retrospectively.

At the meeting it seemed alot more complicated. At least now I can understand it Few Questions:

1) So beatmaps still can get graveyarded, right?
2) Wasn't something disscussed about having modders monitor the end of the list?
3) So anyone can view the priority list, or just BATs?
4) If 3) is everyone, are we forced to mod near the top, or can we mod anywhere?

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I think a lot of the problems stem from the paradoxes and loops that the Kudosu system could potentially create (i.e. what Dranoel said, and the worry that beatmaps at the top will get modded far more than those at the bottom). So what I propose is stacking the amount of Kudosu that can be earned by non-BATs depending on how low on the priority list it is; more Kudosu can be earned by modding maps at the bottom of the list. That way, the BATs can focus on the top of the list (getting those maps ranked), while not BATs can cover the bottom of the list and thus help push them further up, thus taking a kind of "divide and conquer" approach that assures that newer maps don't get favored over older ones.

Of course, the way I envision it would require a complete revamp of the amount of Kudosu earned, as well as the requirements for getting a Star. But if you can think of a way to circumvent that little kink, be my guest.

*scribbles furiously over horrendous plans and starts over*

I think a lot of the problems stem from the paradoxes and defeating-of-purpose the Kudosu system could potentially create (mainly beatmaps lower on the priority list getting completely ignored by BATs and non-BATs alike). So what I propose is that the Kudosu earned by non-BATs for modding a map depend on how often it's been modded. I cannot even begin to explain all the relatively solid maps I've seen that haven't gotten a single mod while other maps that almost blatantly break the submission rules get mods in the double-digits. So what I'm getting at is, the less a beatmap has been modded, the more Kudos you can earn. This assures that the BATs can focus on getting the upper-priority maps ranked while non-BATs cover those that haven't really been touched, so that few, if any, beatmaps get ignored the way they did in the past.

Of course, the way I envision it, it may require a complete revamp of the amound of Kudosu earned per-mod, as well as the requirements of getting a Star. But if you can fix this little kink, be my guest.

I think we should, like peppy said, just give it a trial run first, then propose any changes maybe a month from now?

Echo wrote:

I think we should, like peppy said, just give it a trial run first, then propose any changes maybe a month from now?

I agree. I think the whole aspect of the Kudosu system is pretty cool, and look forward to seeing results. Also, I'll try to mod/BAT more often! No promises though. >_>

JarJarJacob wrote:

I think kudosu givers should have a sort of 'half-kudosu' for posts that are only mildly helpful.

Yeah, I like this too. Or make the star for 6 stars and option to give 1, 2 or 3 points.

Can you give the star to a beatmap that is not years?

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About the stars assigned by BATs.... I assume they will still be that placement of status that's basically "This map is quite good and just needs some minor fixes" and not just be a priority boost?

Also, I do agree with the thought of giving 1/2 for small helpful posts like slight but useful timing adjustments and the such. And pointing out that you made a stupid spacing mistake no one else noticed. (Hehe I remember that stupid mistake I made~)

The system already looks like it's really polished. And it's been around....a day.

An64fan wrote:

Also, I do agree with the thought of giving 1/2 for small helpful posts like slight but useful timing adjustments and the such. And pointing out that you made a stupid spacing mistake no one else noticed. (Hehe I remember that stupid mistake I made~)

1/2 kudosu for things that are the only things some people can do would be really discouraging. If the post is helpful in ANY way, it should be given some kudosu IMO. If it's not useful at all, then no kudos for them. Even small things should be given some kudos, as peppy said in the meeting (ect. If they think the timing may be late). Giving useful input of any kind is encouraged, especially since newbies can give some useful input, but may have trouble going in depth; if those kind of posts got half a kudos, and that was the best they could do, they'd be really, really discouraged from modding. However, getting a (full) kudos for something that they found, like, say, a spacing error, would be encouraging (since you were able to find their post helpful).

I know I've given kudosu for small things that I've found helpful. Not everyone can mod in-depth, but everyone can play through a map and see if there's obvious spacing errors, or if the timing feels off, things like that. ;P 'Sides, it takes 3 kudosu to get a star, so 1/2 kudosu wouldn't really help much (it'd take 6 halves, which since some people don't check their maps 24/7, can take a while), especially if that's the only 1/2 you got for a long time (since the 1/2 wouldn't be able to add up to anything until you got another 1/2, since 3 + 1/2 = 3 1/2, and you can't use that 1/2 for anything).

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me like.

wait where did I get 3 kd

lukewarmholiday wrote:

wait where did I get 3 kd

You can check in your profile.

peppy wrote:

lukewarmholiday wrote:

wait where did I get 3 kd

You can check in your profile.

Well I checked afterwards but when I made the post I had no clue.

Also what I like about system is that if a noob mapper can't mod a map, he probably shouldn't be submitting maps

I think I just thunk of another problem that may potentially arise, especially from the "more Kudosu for older maps" point:

You see, if I were a beatmapper whose maps didn't get modded despite repeated bumps/requests on the IRC chat, I would personally give up on that map (and, in the most extreme case, mapping altogether). Thus, I'm afraid that most people who try to mod older maps may not get any kudosu at all simply because the original mapper gave up on the map long ago and thus wouldn't notice a new mod to give the kudos in the first place.

There are two ways I could see this problem being remedied:

1) Impose a time limit in the Pending/Help boards similar to the way the Graveyard works; any beatmap that is not responded to in a given amount of time (say, 2-4 weeks) should be purged. If the mapper wants it back on, all they need do is simply resubmit their map. This way, abandoned maps can be cleared out (and free up storage space to boot!), while those who still care about their maps can have a safeguard against deletion.

2) Allow BATs to award Kudosu as well as the original mapper. If a mapper has abandoned their map, this assures that people who provide constructive mods still get the Kudosu they deserve.

MisterVercetti wrote:

I think I just thunk of another problem that may potentially arise, especially from the "more Kudosu for older maps" point:

You see, if I were a beatmapper whose maps didn't get modded despite repeated bumps/requests on the IRC chat, I would personally give up on that map (and, in the most extreme case, mapping altogether). Thus, I'm afraid that most people who try to mod older maps may not get any kudosu at all simply because the original mapper gave up on the map long ago and thus wouldn't notice a new mod to give the kudos in the first place.

There are two ways I could see this problem being remedied:

1) Impose a time limit in the Pending/Help boards similar to the way the Graveyard works; any beatmap that is not responded to in a given amount of time (say, 2-4 weeks) should be purged. If the mapper wants it back on, all they need do is simply resubmit their map. This way, abandoned maps can be cleared out (and free up storage space to boot!), while those who still care about their maps can have a safeguard against deletion.

2) Allow BATs to award Kudosu as well as the original mapper. If a mapper has abandoned their map, this assures that people who provide constructive mods still get the Kudosu they deserve.

I think this is already the case for both points.

What awp said.

The Star System is almost fully implemented, except for being able to trade kudosu for kudosu stars. This will come within the next 24 hours when I'll post full details on the system.

The forums are already ordered with priority as a consideration - you will notice some maps get a (SP+1) rating, where the number denotes how much priority is given to the map. normal user star +1, kudosu star (not impleented yet) +2, BAT star +3.

Actually, that seems very neat and organized to me. It's kinda like, separate the bad-on-purpose maps to the real good and must-rank ones. I really agree with the idea.

But them again hopefully that'll make people mod more, so we wouldn't even have "bad" beatmaps anymore!

About the [SP+#] mark after the Thread title, Wouldn't it be nicer if placed as an icon right after the icons meaning (un)read thread?

SP system= Give more priority for exprienced-beatmappers

I think SP system gives more chances to exprienced-beatmappers.
Look at the SP-given beatmap's author. Most of them are popular users or experienced beatmappers.
They can get a normal user star/BAT star much easier than others.
For example, Look Ekaru's. It's a new beatmap but it got the most SP at once.
So beginners are hard to get a chance.
osu-ers likes to mod exprienced-beatmappers' beatmaps.

I think normal user star, BAT-star needs a limit.
(1 star per a day, Beatmap's age is older than 2-3weeks etc.)

Haha, the reason for that is simple. ;P

Since the system is new and you can't trade kudosu for stars yet, just 1 user star and 1 BAT to look at it and star is enough to get it near the top. Another user star was enough to put it at the top once Coke Town got ranked (then I got yet another one). Once it was at the top, it ended up with 3 more BATs looking at it and staring it, and 1 more user, so it's at... 15 SP now. ;P

Give it more time. It was just easy because people were willing to look since it was short, it's a somewhat known song (for many of us it was the last song we really remember), and because I asked them to in IRC. Anyways, last night users alone got a newbie map close to the top, so it works that way too.

in a map that have more than one difficulty... if a user mod one difficulty per post in diferent days (been able to post it all in one) just to earn more kudosu.. is that an abuse? i mean do deserv more than one kudosu?

sorry for my bad english...

Lizbeth wrote:

in a map that have more than one difficulty... if a user mod one difficulty per post in diferent days (been able to post it all in one) just to earn more kudosu.. is that an abuse? i mean do deserv more than one kudosu?

sorry for my bad english...

You're english is fine, Lizbeth.

You should probably consider, "Did this advice help make a large improvement?" or if it was, say, a small adjustment to something like a combo or the offset.

If you feel their work was a big help, then go ahead and give them 2 kudosu.

Kudosu stars are now tradeable via the Beatmaps section of your profile. I'll write this up when I am more awake.

Wow, we can use many kudosu stars on one beatmap.

I used so much kudosu stars on my beatmap. (sorry guys)
But I got tired to waiting. It's already half year old.

lukewarmholiday wrote:

peppy wrote:

lukewarmholiday wrote:

wait where did I get 3 kd

You can check in your profile.

Well I checked afterwards but when I made the post I had no clue.

Also what I like about system is that if a noob mapper can't mod a map, he probably shouldn't be submitting maps

Everubody starts a noob, look at me. I want to get Kudosu but I don't think I'm good enough to fix other people's maps. Getting my maps ranked or approved will boast my confidence and my ability to help. Its a loop, and its hard to spin.

Atmey wrote:

Everubody starts a noob, look at me. I want to get Kudosu but I don't think I'm good enough to fix other people's maps. Getting my maps ranked or approved will boast my confidence and my ability to help. Its a loop, and its hard to spin.

Eh, after a week or so, you can help fix other people's maps. Read the Map Design FAQ issues first, so you know what to look for in general. Then just play each difficulty, see if there's anything wrong. Then you can go check in Editor for more in-depth stuff. For the most part it's just looking for objects with different spacing from the others that aren't intentional, or objects that are placed in a weird spot. Oh yeah, and seeing if there's anything particularly ugly or incorrect, ex. no stacking or 90% of the sliders overlapping each other (*is guilty*).

In order to give kudosu, you just need to give good constructive criticism, which anyone can do really. It's not that hard once you get used to it (like a few times), just time consuming depending on how in-depth you go.

As I said already - ANYONE can mod. Just play maps in pending until you find one that CLICKS for you. Then say how you like it andwould like to see it ranked. Then play the map a few times on each difficulty, and get a feel for what parts you like and don't like about it. Point these out and if you have the confidence, suggest improvements. even if you don't make suggestions, you are helping make the creator feel happy as you played their map. If you give some good feedback (it doesn't have to be technical!) then you are likely to get some kudosu.

Mention you are a noob if you don't feel confident too - its best to let people know so they understand why you haven't given them a 200 page essay about their map (not that i condone that ).

Current Priority: +12 (2 maps higher on the list)
You can earn kudosu by helping mod this map! You will gain 1 kudosu if you mod this map.

This was found in the header of a ranked map (Specifically, The Great Gianna Sisters). Shouldn't there be some kind of not-message for ranked maps? You can't really help them much...

I hath given this system a fair trial.

I love it! It works well. Since it gives us a reward for giving useful input, we are inclined to do so. People in chat are more willing to mod your maps now (since they know they might get some kudosu if they provide useful input), and priority helps quite a bit for BATs it seems, as they have a much lower chance of wasting their time on utter garbage now. Also, it's really easy to see what maps need modding ATM, and will be much easier to see in a week or two, because the system will have been in place longer.

tl;dr: <3 this system. Not that hard to get kudosu BTW, as long as you put effort into it. If you're new, I highly recommend going for maps by users with at least 1 ranked map, because it'll be much easier for you that way (chance of running into a map that should be nuked is next to none if the user has a ranked map, because they know what to do). Well-known mappers who have some friends might be kinda difficult, though, but you can go for it anyways, just be aware that someone might go for it while you're modding.

Oh yeah, and if you're new, just play through the map and say what you like and especially what you don't like. AKA, what peppy said, it really does work; that's what I've done quite a bit actually. ;P

Ekaru wrote:

I hath given this system a fair trial.

I love it! It works well. Since it gives us a reward for giving useful input, we are inclined to do so. People in chat are more willing to mod your maps now (since they know they might get some kudosu if they provide useful input), and priority helps quite a bit for BATs it seems, as they have a much lower chance of wasting their time on utter garbage now. Also, it's really easy to see what maps need modding ATM, and will be much easier to see in a week or two, because the system will have been in place longer.

tl;dr: <3 this system. Not that hard to get kudosu BTW, as long as you put effort into it. If you're new, I highly recommend going for maps by users with at least 1 ranked map, because it'll be much easier for you that way (chance of running into a map that should be nuked is next to none if the user has a ranked map, because they know what to do). Well-known mappers who have some friends might be kinda difficult, though, but you can go for it anyways, just be aware that someone might go for it while you're modding.

Oh yeah, and if you're new, just play through the map and say what you like and especially what you don't like. AKA, what peppy said, it really does work; that's what I've done quite a bit actually. ;P

You need a tl;dr for the tl;dr.
Anyway, thanks guys, I'll try to do that, I think I can give general opinions but not certain/exact adjustments on maybe harder difficulties.

Should there be a way of reporting undeserved kudosu? I've seen a few times where someone recieved 2 kudosu just for bumping their thread.

Like I guess we could just PM a mod, but that would be kind of a hassle..