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LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Two wrote:

I don't really believe this is a real question but I'll bite: I really think the only reason anyone would use hos or fos is if they're mafia/aux and bad at the game. There really is no point to doing either of them unless the person is vulnerable to lynching, other than not having yourself on record as voting for them. There's also the convenience of never having to unvote so you can hos and fos everyone eventually without people picking up on it.
I can see how you'd see it that way. However, any good player will also watch and keep track of the HoS and FoS's, as well as attacks made. Then you analyze them and see if there's anything suspicious about it.

I've grown to dislike RVS while playing and watching the last few games since it gives virtually nothing to town, and I also dislike voting for someone before I'm convinced unless it's very near deadline which is the exact reason I use HoS or FoS. If I didn't show any of my suspicions I'm giving no information at all other than that I'm not posting.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

adam2046 wrote:

I don't really like these sorts of lines. "Well that's exactly what I'd do so it's fine!"
It looks more like you're trying to defend lybydose from everyone.
Sorry for hitting upon a pet peeve... tell me then, what would you do in his place? I'll go on record stating that I don't believe lybydose is scum, but really my statement was to explain my suspicion of Two. I really don't see how making hypocritical accusations is good town behavior, unless you're trying to get a rise out of the accusee... but town and scum alike will respond to bad logic in the same ways, so what's the point?
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046

akrolsmir wrote:

what would you do in his place?
1. Not begin yet another Two argument designed entirely to benefit Two.
2. Start a more productive conversation about you designed entirely to benefit me.

akrolsmir wrote:

I really don't see how making hypocritical accusations is good town behavior, unless you're trying to get a rise out of the accusee... but town and scum alike will respond to bad logic in the same ways, so what's the point?
Can you back up that claim?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
Vote Count:

Kiddo-Kun - 1 (Wojjan)
LadySuburu - 1 (Lybydose)
Lybydose - 1 (Two)
Two - 1 (akrolsmir)
akrolsmir - 1 (adam2046)

Vote History Chronologically:

Two votes for animask
akrolsmir votes for foulcoon
Wojjan votes for Kiddo-Kun
Lybydose votes for LadySuburu
Two votes for Lybydose (unvote)
akrolsmir votes for Two (unvote)
adam2046 votes for akrolsmir

Not Voting:

LadySuburu
animask
Rantai
Kiddo-Kun
Quaraezha
foulcoon
Lilac

Post Count: (ascending)

Lilac: 0
Kiddo-Kun: 1
Quaraezha: 1
Rantai: 1
Wojjan: 2
foulcoon: 3
LadySuburu: 4
adam2046: 5
Lybydose: 5
akrolsmir: 7
animask: 7
Two: 13 (with this)

That's interesting, Lilac.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

adam2046 wrote:

Can you back up that claim?
When you're attacked with faulty reasoning, your only recourse is to point out the gaps in logic regardless of alignment. You can't verify or pretend to be town without playing by the same framework that they are using, in which case you are using bad logic yourself. Why would you want to do that when you could point out the error of their case?

Using good logic is the way to catch people because town can explain their actions while scum have to make something up, and then the accuser can use the difference to make a judgement.

Two wrote:

That's interesting, Lilac.
I maintain that Quaraezha, too, is suspicious for posting absolutely nothing of substance. And you're suspicious for being so apparently helpful.
Quaraezha
1,491 posts
Joined February 2011
Quaraezha
Don't be too suspicious just because I am inactive/lurking.
I just happen to be occupied with other stuff to read much of what is going on.
And from what I read so far, it's just some arguments from mostly Two and Lyby.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
I'm the most helpful person in every game. Just look at my post count and intellect.

Quaraezha is like animask. They both join mafia games just to troll the hell out of them. Quaraezha does this by posting everywhere except the mafia thread, while animask does it by pretending not to read posts at all or fully. I don't think quaraezha acting exactly like he always does is suspicious at all.

You sure are for not wanting people to help the town.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

Quaraezha wrote:

Don't be too suspicious just because I am inactive/lurking.
I just happen to be occupied with other stuff to read much of what is going on.
And from what I read so far, it's just some arguments from mostly Two and Lyby.
Still not much in terms of substance. Whatever happened to "lynch all lurkers"? Wait, I'll bet Two doesn't approve of that either.

Speaking of which, Two's defense of Q seems like trying to protect his scumbuddy. Two's argument boils down to "we're doing what we always do." I don't know if meta is an acceptable defense in this context or not, but my feeling was that he was trying too hard to prove that he was town. Why go to such lengths unless he isn't?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
akrsolsmir: quaraezha is shady for not posting here
me: um he does that all the time even when he's town
aksfoskrmir: omg you both are mafia since you corrected me

that's ok though I know you are really trying to just get the thread to the next page so that some people won't read the vote count stuff
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

Two wrote:

that's ok though I know you are really trying to just get the thread to the next page so that some people won't read the vote count stuff
As if you couldn't post it again on the next page? Also, you seem to think that something in there incriminates me, I'd like to hear what.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
something doesn't have to incriminate you but I like how defensive you are

it's just your job as the informed minority to keep the majority solidly uninformed
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Earlier:

Two wrote:

i called him scum and he didn't reply clearly he's scum
Now:

Two wrote:

i called him scum and he replied clearly he's scum
Sleep Powder
1,540 posts
Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
I don't troll. I just add some character to this game.

Also, saying that you're the most helpful and intelligent seems kind of suspicious... or at least obnoxious.

AND your playstyle doesn't benefit town as much as you think it does. I get the feeling that
you are trying to get people to appeal to emotion by acting like this. That's what you did with me?

BUT I see what you're trying to say about the voting rather than
FoS/HoS thing. People could get distracted by the FoS/HoS and forget about who the person originally
voted for.

Quaraezha, you always join these games, but never fully give attention to them. I'm
starting to think that you should stop playing these games. But I noticed something when you
answered my question... You say that you keep getting lynched/nightkilled so you might as well be mafia.
Why the focus on mafia? There are other roles that benefit from being a target like jester and the bus driver.
Almost FoS worthy, but you don't talk much so I can't really get much out of you...

akrolsmir, you seem to be focusing on logic and logical errors. I don't really know you're playstyle so I am
getting a townie-tell from you based on the information you are giving us.
Sleep Powder
1,540 posts
Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
First part was directed at Two btw
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

animask wrote:

Also, saying that you're the most helpful and intelligent seems kind of suspicious... or at least obnoxious.
I was going for cute. Why won't you ever find me cute, animask?
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon
Vote: akrolsmir

I don't know what animask was talking about. His play-style doesn't focus on logical flaws, instead it focuses on the defense of illogical play style such as random voting and lynching lurkers.

He also takes time to focus attention on lurkers but doesn't do enough research to target the other people who have yet to vote. I'm not going to speculate at this point as to why he doesn't mention the other people lurking, but I'll instead give him a chance to explain himself. Honestly I don't understand why someone pro-town would take this much effort day one on painting someone as scum. I guess other than Two he has stated that he finds a good number of other people suspicious... Big deal? I find all of you fuckers suspicious.

I find that the people who stand the most defensive on day 1 tend to be town as mafia is typically lurking / trying to stay out of the spotlight. However, its not that you're on the defensive because someone directly targeted you, but because you are attacking other players and they are "fighting back".

tl;dr: akrolsmir finds everyone suspicious, focuses a lot of attention on Two, and for some reason only targeted one lurker when there was actually others. He is definitely top 3 as far as my mafia predictions go at this point.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

foulcoon wrote:

akrolsmir finds everyone suspicious
... you answered this yourself:

foulcoon wrote:

Big deal? I find all of you fuckers suspicious.
Also, two or three people != everyone.


foulcoon wrote:

focuses a lot of attention on Two
Two focuses a lot of attention on himself. And what you said about attacking other players and having them fight back- this is supposed to be bad/scummy?


foulcoon wrote:

and for some reason only targeted one lurker when there was actually others.
Er, we get one vote each and one lynch per day. Feel free to make a case for any of the others (Lilac still has 0 posts), I'm targeting Q because he explicitly stated he was lurking/inactive.


foulcoon wrote:

He is definitely top 3 as far as my mafia predictions go at this point.
I'd like to hear who else has the distinction of being in there, btw. My top 3 would be Two, Q, and... Lilac?
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
2,024 posts
Joined January 2009
Lybydose
prod lilac please
Quaraezha
1,491 posts
Joined February 2011
Quaraezha
Alright, finally had the time to read all the posts (Rushed it though)
Currently at my School's Library and internet is kinda slow, so I won't quote anyposts for now.
I'll just post whatever I can and remember for now.

1.
Nobody seems to be protecting akrolsmir at the moment since most are attacking him.
So if akrolsmir is really Mafia, another Mafia wouldn't normally attack him as well, especially in Day 1.
If that's the case, the other Mafia members are luerkers, since they haven't protected/attacked anyone yet.

2.
I find it really awkward being (somehow) protected by Two,
but I guess that was just to convince akrolsmir of my playstyle.
Two has always been the type to make brutal (?) posts, and that's just Two being Two,
I can't really tell if he's Town or Mafia atm.
Although, he seems to be more aggressive and protective in this game to the previous ones I've played with him,
not sure why. But that's just my opinions.

3.
So about me being active in the other forums except this one.
The other threads aren't serious as Mafia Games, and I wasn't really in the mood to play Mafia or think too hard.
And animask, about me not joining anymore Mafia Games, that's silly.
I'm here for the same reason you are, just to add more characters.
It's fun to have a Mafia Game with different kinds of people.

Well, that's all I can say for now, I have classes in a few minutes.
I'll just add my other thoughts later when I get home or whatever.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Fine I guess Q's off the "lurking" category for now.

Because apparently I'm supposed to be fair and accuse everyone:

Rantai, Wojjan and Kiddo-kun have the next-least number of posts (besides Lilac of course). I find it interesting that they've basically spent their one post accusing each other, and then... nothing. If they are mafia, they're doing a pretty good job.
rust45
1,085 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
rust45
Lilac has been prodded.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Yeah, I already knew this was happening... No need to prod me.

Two's being like he always is. Except when he said something about trying to be cute...that really freaked me out.

Only reason I wasn't posting is because there is nothing TO post. However, I must confess, there is a lot since I came back from school, I'll be reading now.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Going through again, I'm thinking Doc (Lybydose) ISN'T Mafia because by prodding me and also acting more than he does usually obviously doesn't seem like his Mafia playstyle in TF2 Mafia. (Not to mention he's just drawing more attention to himself...) Then again, that Mafia was probably really unbalanced with his simple roleclaim as Cop.

Qua being nonchalant and useless (BTW, I never use the word 'useless' in a negative connotation.) as usual meant that he probably is town. This is of course being judged from NoHItter's Island Mafia game. (I forgot the exact name but keep with me here.)

akrolsmir seems to be a newbie who wants to contribute, not necessarily helpful but considering the irony of that statement, it's probably because he's trying too hard.

...This is mainly for the people who believe in meta and some of my own observations and what not. I'll probably contribute more but I really didn't want to post until Day 2.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

akrolsmir wrote:

Rantai, Wojjan and Kiddo-kun have the next-least number of posts (besides Lilac of course)
Addressing my posting, I can only post for a 5-7 hour window starting from around this time otherwise I am unavailable. Unfortunately this thread moves when I'm not awake/available.

--

As it stands I feel...

I'm willing to believe Two is not mafia at this stage. I will admit I've never played properly with him before but regardless, I don't consider meta as a good way to analyse/compare behavior patterns. Right now I'm feeling it's way too aggressive play, coupled with hypocrisy and the like I think it's just reaction fishing in an attempt to weed out suspicious people.

Speaking of reactions, I'm not sure what to make of Lybydose's reactions. It seems like he gave up trying to argue with Two due to his hypocrisy. Whether that means he's not bothering with him anymore or ran out of ideas, I'm not convinced either way.

akrolsmir's posting is striking me as odd. As far as I can tell his whole attack play has revolved around 'go after the quiet ones'. Sounds like a convenient excuse to cast suspicion at.

I still don't like how Wojjan was still pushing a vote based on a lack of meta knowledge but he/she hasn't posted much since so I'm not sure where to go with this feeling.

Nobody seems to be protecting akrolsmir at the moment since most are attacking him.
So if akrolsmir is really Mafia, another Mafia wouldn't normally attack him as well, especially in Day 1.
If that's the case, the other Mafia members are luerkers, since they haven't protected/attacked anyone yet.
This actually makes quite a bit of sense except there is a possibility that a mafia may be attacking him to keep distance, even in day 1.


Lilac wrote:

I'll probably contribute more but I really didn't want to post until Day 2.
Why would that be? Sounds like you're trying to avoid attention.

Also;

adam2046 wrote:

Lybydose has only pointed out things Two said in response to things Two said without revealing anything about himself. This leads me to believe he is MAFIA
Somethings probably not clicking right for me but I'd love to know how that works.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac

Rantai wrote:

Why would that be? Sounds like you're trying to avoid attention.
You make it sound like that's a bad thing. I know it's in most people's minds that it is but I really did it in order to get a good grasp of Day 1. However, now that I think about it, contributing in Day 1 actually makes it better for you to understand the situation.
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
2,024 posts
Joined January 2009
Lybydose
what
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
Well the Kiddo thing was basically to see how he'd react.
He didn't.
akrols isn't making any amount of sense though, but it seems that he just wants to justify his crap play (not working)
Two you are the most adorable tsundere mafia player and nobody has to tell you that for you to know it.
unvote seeing as leaving it on for so long without response makes it obtuse.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
Also:

Lilac wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Why would that be? Sounds like you're trying to avoid attention.
You make it sound like that's a bad thing. I know it's in most people's minds that it is but I really did it in order to get a good grasp of Day 1. However, now that I think about it, contributing in Day 1 actually makes it better for you to understand the situation.
ha ha ha ha ha?
Seriously can't you even pretend to play the game?
Quaraezha
1,491 posts
Joined February 2011
Quaraezha
Alright, I'm home now.

animask wrote:

Quaraezha, But I noticed something when you answered my question...
You say that you keep getting lynched/nightkilled so you might as well be mafia.
Why the focus on mafia? There are other roles that benefit from being a target like jester and the bus driver.
Almost FoS worthy, but you don't talk much so I can't really get much out of you...
Because being Mafia is cool, but really, fuck it. It's a tough job.
Jesters are silly and massive gamebreakers, nobody wants those.
And I have no idea what a bus driver is.


FoS: akrolsmir, what kind of player do you think you are? Have you played any other Mafia Games before?
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Actually, I want to hear from Kiddo-kun because he's the only one I haven't formulated an opinion on.
foulcoon
osu! Alumni
1,384 posts
Joined July 2008
foulcoon

Lilac wrote:

but I really didn't want to post until Day 2.
really? That irritates me to the point in which I want to vote for you so bad. The sad part is you're probably not mafia because no mafia member would be willing to admit that they're staying under the radar and not posting on purpose.
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

Quaraezha wrote:

Have you played any other Mafia Games before?
Er, actually, no. Others have referenced the fact that I'm a newbie which is completely true.

Lilac wrote:

Actually, I want to hear from Kiddo-kun because he's the only one I haven't formulated an opinion on.
I agree about wanting to hear from him, but so far your past opinions have basically been "everyone's acting normal and must be town". It doesn't seem quite scummy, but also not quite helpful.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

akrolsmir wrote:

It doesn't seem quite scummy, but also not quite helpful.
Yes it does. That's exactly scummy. Why isn't Lilac suspicious of anyone?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Wojjan wrote:

Yes it does. That's exactly scummy. Why isn't Lilac suspicious of anyone?
that's what I was trying to find the words for earlier, but I couldn't write it properly so I went to bed

I noticed that when I was mafia in a recent game, I would spend the majority of my time explaining why someone probably isn't mafia and I rarely attacked anyone. I don't think most mafia will seriously (not "random vote", not "maybe, looks, might be") attack anyone unless it's already been initiated by someone else on day 1.
LadySuburu
80 posts
Joined June 2008
LadySuburu

Two wrote:

I noticed that when I was mafia in a recent game, I would spend the majority of my time explaining why someone probably isn't mafia and I rarely attacked anyone. I don't think most mafia will seriously (not "random vote", not "maybe, looks, might be") attack anyone unless it's already been initiated by someone else on day 1.
Playstyles vary. I've seen mafia who will latch on to a player and attack them viciously on D1.

That being said, what you said is right that most mafia won't seriously attack anyone unless someone else has started a valid-looking attack already.

Vote: Kiddo-Kun Come talk with us won't you?
Kiddo-Kun
1,014 posts
Joined May 2009
Kiddo-Kun
Ohai, I guess I should stop being a lazy ass and read through this.
Kiddo-Kun
1,014 posts
Joined May 2009
Kiddo-Kun
I read through this-ish.

Everything Two said has been rubbing me the wrong way. His arguments are just silly and don`t make sense . But, it's something about him that's leading me to believe he's not Mafia. (Maybe the whole "He's just being Two" thing got to me) It's akrolsmir. It's just the way he attacks anyone and has weak reasoning.
I'm gong to place my vote on akrolsmir.
Vote: akrolsmir
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
unvote, vote Kiddo-Kun
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir

Two wrote:

unvote, vote Kiddo-Kun
He does seem to be bandwagoning a bit, just spitting out what others have said without coming up with anything original.( But then I'm probably going to be slightly biased regarding that)

Anyways, Unvote, FoS: Kiddo-Kun more explanation please.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
oh my god scum harder akrols
vote akro
Kiddo-Kun
1,014 posts
Joined May 2009
Kiddo-Kun
It's a good enough excuse to vote for you. Just because that excuse to vote for you has already been used doesn't mean I still can't use it.
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2009
Lybydose
unvote, vote: foulcoon
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
what a poser
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2009
Lybydose
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
2,024 posts
Joined January 2009
Lybydose
nevermind

unvote, vote: Kiddo-kun
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
My Lybydose, trigger happy?

akrolsmir wrote:

He does seem to be bandwagoning a bit, just spitting out what others have said without coming up with anything original.( But then I'm probably going to be slightly biased regarding that)
Why does this feel like you're only attacking him because he voted you...

Though I will agree his accusations are extremely generic.

@Kiddo-Kun, care to elaborate some more? All I see from your last post is "It's been said before, I don't need to explain myself"'
Kiddo-Kun
1,014 posts
Joined May 2009
Kiddo-Kun
I'm just saying. A lot of his post are just him jumping at people will silly accusations.

Also, I guess my other post is very unclear and I guess it gave off a very scummy vibe. What I meant was "foulcoon had a nice point, and I agree with that."
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
akrolsmir 4 kiddo 3

too tired to do anything better than that
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
k
Two votes for animask
akrolsmir votes for foulcoon
Wojjan votes for Kiddo-Kun
Lybydose votes for LadySuburu
Two votes for Lybydose (unvote)
akrolsmir votes for Two (unvote)
adam2046 votes for akrolsmir
foulcoon votes for akrolsmir
LadySuburu votes for Kiddo-Kun
Kiddo-Kun votes for akrolsmir
Two votes for Kiddo-Kun (unvote)
akrolsmir unvotes Two
Wojjan votes for akrolsmir (unvote?)
Lybydose votes for foulcoon (unvote)
Lybydose votes for Kiddo-Kun (unvote)

akrolsmir: why are you lurking?

unvote: vote akrolsmir

one more vote lynches him, mafia

edit: added wojjan's vote for akrolsmir, added foulcoon's vote for akrolsmir
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
Kiddo-Kun: LadySuburu, Lybydose
akrolsmir: adam2046, foulcoon, Kiddo-Kun, Wojjan, Two

Not Voting:

animask
Rantai
Quaraezha
Lilac
akrolsmir
akrolsmir
606 posts
Joined November 2010
akrolsmir
Apparently a lot of people think my actions have been scummy. Remember, this is my first mafia game. Which essentially means that I've been trying to do things by the book (aka mafiascum wiki). Random voting, FoS, suspecting lurkers and bandwagoning- this is the stuff I read about and tried to emulate. And when people started jumping on me for doing that, I instinctively defended it because I really didn't have much else to rely on. Maybe I should have been more quiet as a newbie, but as someone else mentioned I was probably a bit overeager to play.

Anyways, I'm still suspicious of Lilac and Kiddo-kun though not enough to vote at this point. Plus it would probably be seen as trying to divert attention away from me and get me lynched.

Two wrote:

akrolsmir: why are you lurking?
Because my play was pretty bad and each post led someone else to suspect me, so I decided to shut up and listen to what others had to say about it.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
@Two according to mod it would actually take 2 more (7 votes) to lynch akrolsmir.



Would like to hear from:

animask
Rantai
Quaraezha
Lilac
akrolsmir


Who do you find suspicious? Kiddo-Kun? akrolsmir? someone else?
Lybydose
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Lybydose
well then

unvote, vote: Two
Lybydose
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Lybydose

foulcoon wrote:

@Two according to mod it would actually take 2 more (7 votes) to lynch akrolsmir.



Would like to hear from:

animask
Rantai
Quaraezha
Lilac
akrolsmir


Who do you find suspicious? Kiddo-Kun? akrolsmir? someone else?
conveniently leaving LadySuburu out, I'm on to you
Lybydose
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Lybydose
hi Wojjan
foulcoon
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foulcoon

Lybydose wrote:

foulcoon wrote:

@Two according to mod it would actually take 2 more (7 votes) to lynch akrolsmir.



Would like to hear from:

animask
Rantai
Quaraezha
Lilac
akrolsmir


Who do you find suspicious? Kiddo-Kun? akrolsmir? someone else?
conveniently leaving LadySuburu out, I'm on to you
wat

I used Two's list of people not voting... LadySuburu isn't on it. Is LS voting kiddo? There at least was an FoS or HoS so I already have my answer?
rust45
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Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
rust45
Vote Count:
akrolsmir (5) - adam2046, foulcoon, Kiddo-Kun, Wojjan, Two
Kiddo-Kun (1) - LadySuburu
Two (1) - Lybydose

Not Voting (5)- Lilac, animask, Rantai, akrolsmir, Quaraezha

akrolsmir is at L-2!
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

foulcoon wrote:

wat

I used Two's list of people not voting... LadySuburu isn't on it. Is LS voting kiddo? There at least was an FoS or HoS so I already have my answer?
I assume he was saying that you left out LadySuburu with your "who do you find suspicious?" question, but you can never be too sure with the challenged.

I'm gonna be honest, right now I feel like foulcoon, Wojjan, and LadySuburu are the most likely to be mafia.
Sleep Powder
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Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
Oh, you wanted to know why I haven't voted yet?

I don't really have enough confidence or information to make a decent vote just yet...

Firstly, I've been keeping track of the votes and unvotes. (No, I just looked at Two's post) I have a general
suspicion on everyone who has been messing with the votes. (Mostly Lybydose) If Two and Lybydose were mafia
they could be easily be using a strategy of some kind with voting. I've noticed that Two hasn't said anything to Lybydose
about his votes. I get the feeling that adam was also onto this. Seems a bit fishy/scummy, but I'm not really sure where they
would be going with this...

akrolsmir seems to be putting in information out there, but none of it seems useful. There seems to be a lot of focus on defending
himself. His behavior seems to be really defensive which seems to be an important trait.

Lilac is probably thinking that Day 1 is the most dangerous and reckless of all the days. You should realize that when you're pro-town,
you always have a high chance of being lynched anyways. This kind of behavior seems different coming from you... FoS Lilac
Two_old
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Two_old

animask wrote:

Firstly, I've been keeping track of the votes and unvotes. (No, I just looked at Two's post) I have a general
suspicion on everyone who has been messing with the votes. (Mostly Lybydose) If Two and Lybydose were mafia
they could be easily be using a strategy of some kind with voting. I've noticed that Two hasn't said anything to Lybydose
about his votes.
1. mafia can't talk during the day
2. masons can
3. I've actually commented on his last two votes, maybe even all of his votes who knows
4. I'm not a mason
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
More on Lilac (since I FoS'd him)

When he made this post:

Lilac wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Why would that be? Sounds like you're trying to avoid attention.
You make it sound like that's a bad thing. I know it's in most people's minds that it is but I really did it in order to get a good grasp of Day 1. However, now that I think about it, contributing in Day 1 actually makes it better for you to understand the situation.
Shouldn't he have been thinking that in the first place? If you were a townie you can't be helpful if you don't say anything.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder

Two wrote:

1. mafia can't talk during the day
2. masons can
3. I've actually commented on his last two votes, maybe even all of his votes who knows
4. I'm not a mason
You wanted people to use votes instead of FoS/HoS. He used votes instead of FoS/HoS.
Did he say anything about you?
Two_old
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Two_old
I really don't understand your question
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder

Two wrote:

I really don't understand your question
He hasn't said anything at all. Has he?
Two_old
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Two_old
search.php?author_id=64501&sr=posts&t=59742

you tell me
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Okay then, do you find Lybydose suspicious in any way?
foulcoon
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foulcoon
Can you just tell us where you're going with this animask?
Two_old
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Two_old
of course it's suspicious that he votes entirely without reason (you can't do that unless you are as smart as me dawg) and has yet to post anything constructive at all other than "double posts are better than editing" and "WIFOM is for smart people"
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
@foulcoon, I got everything I needed for now...

My "plan" is to ask questions to people "without" pressure so they somehow slip up.
Two_old
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Two_old
you've brought me to the brink of tears animask

really
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
@Two, just one more question. Do you think I'm suspicious of you or not?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
oh my god he's serious isn't he
Two_old
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Two_old
well judging by what you just said and your inability to recognize emotion-driven "logic", yes

I knew coming into this game that even mentioning your name could bite me in the ass, since you have what I think is known in this game as a "u suck" mentality. If you remember, I genuinely thought you were trolling me the last game we played together, since even when faced with irrefutable logic, you would still vote for me.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Vote: Lilac

I'm not really suspicous of you, but I do hate your guts tremendously.
Two_old
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Two_old
lets buddy up then, friend ^_^

unvote, vote Lilac
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Kiddo and Lyby are my top suspicions, so no unvote.

Nothing has gone on that I feel like commenting on, so yeah.

FoS: Two for seeming like he has humor and also making me laugh earlier.
Lilac
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It's natural to hate. Nothing wrong about that.

However, I don't want to get lynched over stupid reasons like that. Answering foulcoon, the person I'm currently most suspicious of is Kiddo. However, my vote now would only just make me more suspicious anyway.

Vote: Kiddo-kun

Come at me, bro.
Rantai
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I'll keep this brief, got to go.

foulcoon wrote:

Would like to hear from:
---
Who do you find suspicious? Kiddo-Kun? akrolsmir? someone else?
akrolsmir and Lilac.

- Hiding behind the newbie excuse, attacking lurkers under the guise of "following the book'. Not buying it right now, I still believe they are just convenient excuses.

- Purposely avoided posting to 'get a grasp of things',

I'll probably contribute more but I really didn't want to post until Day 2.


That one line grinds me like sandpaper.
Lybydose
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You're right Two, I've done nothing aside from pointing out how your logic is complete horseshit.

Since we're living in the magical world where any time Two is wrong, it didn't really happen, I guess that means I've done nothing.

well except for unvote, Vote: Lilac

I guess since we're also living in the magical world of WIFOM not existing, I can use horrible logic like "Lilac is clearly town because no mafia would ever say that he'd probably contribute more but doesn't really want to post until Day 2." or assume anyone that dies at night wasn't killed by the people he suspects, because you know, it would be too obvious for the mafia to kill off the people voting for them.

Well now that I've cleared arbitrarily cleared Lilac, I guess unvote.










































Just kidding

vote: Lilac

His recent statements are even more scummy.
akrolsmir
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I'm still suspicious of Kiddo-kun at this point, but Vote: Lilac, for trying to shift attention away from you without really providing defense for yourself. Or a case of any kind, really- I didn't really see an argument against Kiddo-kun in there. You did lampshade the fact that it would be suspicious but I think that starts to reach into WIFOM territory.

As for myself, Rantai- well, I AM a newbie, how else would you expect me to play?
Two_old
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Two_old

Lybydose wrote:

Since we're living in the magical world where any time Two is wrong, it didn't really happen, I guess that means I've done nothing.
prettyyyyy sure your post history was barren, but if you'd like to correct me and point out where there was real substance, go ahead

also this lilac shift is shady as hell and I'd be suspicious of even myself if I didn't know better
Quaraezha
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Hi guys.
It seems that I won't be having any internet connection at home for a few (or more) days.
I'm at the school library again and just read the posts.

I'll just make things quick and say what I want to say
I want to hear akrolsmir's opinion on Kiddo and Kiddo's opinion on akrolsmir.
I don't vote quite often but I'll bandwagon for now
Vote: Lilac
Also FoS on akrolsmir or Kiddo depending on their answers

And animask, your silly plan is silly, good luck with it.
akrolsmir
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First, he's been pretty quiet, though for some reason people seem to think I shouldn't go after lurkers. I still don't feel he adequately explained the opportunistic jump on the bandwagon, which overall just seems like he doesn't care who gets lynched as long as the day gets over and it's not him.
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Well at the beginning of the game he started to piss me off with all the random votes that had weak reasoning. But now he's starting to seem less like a scum but more like a newbie trying to get a grasp the concept of this game. Since I don't find you suspicious anymore: unvote.
Lilac
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Look guys, I'm not lying when I said I wasn't mafia. In fact, this is the best role I've had in ages.

I mean, though I'm disappointed in Two's change of mood when he plays this now, probably a change from ragequitting that Mafia game, it's also fair to say I didn't actually have any suspicion of Kiddo to begin with. (Two, I shifted my mood because you did. ;) ) Aren't you happy?

I'm not going to defend myself because there is no point. My lynching today will obviously mean that someone in the Mafia has voted for me already for being suspicious and if they haven't, they're probably the dumbest person ever because it's FREE KILL. I'm pretty sure that there's 3 in this game and that at least one of them has already jumped on me though, if not more.

Lybydose, there are no such thing as scummy statements because they're all subjective as hell.

Also, LS, that's probably the best way I've seen you play Mafia all this time. By doing nothing~
Lilac
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Lilac
Bleh, this ain't going to work now that I re-read the topic.

Considering that there are 3 Mafia in this game, I am going to cross of foulcoon, Lybydose, Kiddo-Kun, akrolsmir and Rantai out.

1. LadySuburu - Even since I met you, I felt you were an odd person. I even told you that I could never, ever read you. It's intriguing and I hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

2. animask - You're different. You're trying to sound more serious and that's what ticks me off. I liked the old animask...but I'm sorry it just seems odd. I mean, a more serious animask! Wow, a lot of people have changed.

3. adam - You went...silent...for 6 whole pages... Are you serious? akrolsmir even try to back up the claim...Unless he didn't do it right.

4. Quaraezha - Why join if you're not contributing? You're as useless as me. Though you're mainly town when you get lynched D1, I'd really laugh/cry if you were actually Mafia though.

5. Wojjan - I never liked you...Actually, I did when you started that TTYD project. I think I might do a song but the point stands. I don't like you. You hardly do anything, you troll and yet people respect you for that. I assume it's your past history which does that considering your upper most role as the cult.

6. Two - Same with you, you're different. You're acting nothing like before and if that's how you play mafia, then I congratulate you because you will be the best at it. Not to mention your previous history of gaming too! You are someone to be feared.

What else do you want me to do to say I'm town?
adam2046
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Lilac wrote:

I'm not going to defend myself because there is no point. My lynching today will obviously mean that someone in the Mafia has voted for me already for being suspicious and if they haven't, they're probably the dumbest person ever because it's FREE KILL. I'm pretty sure that there's 3 in this game and that at least one of them has already jumped on me though, if not more.
If you're actually town you're not making it much better for yourself by being a defeatist. Town should be trying to stay alive and lynch scum, not actively helping the mafia lynch them.

Lilac wrote:

Considering that there are 3 Mafia in this game, I am going to cross of foulcoon, Lybydose, Kiddo-Kun, akrolsmir and Rantai out.
What?

Lilac wrote:

akrolsmir even try to back up the claim...Unless he didn't do it right.
What?
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
And here I was all ready to accuse Lilac of being a jester.

@adam Go back and read your last post (you know, 5 pages ago?), though I agree that Lilac's statement is pretty ambiguously worded.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
I agree there is probably 3 mafia using the general 1 mafia : 4 town ratio, but I would also like to know how you ruled myself and the other people out Lilac.
Lilac
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Lilac
Yeah, it was pretty bad wording. I have disgraced myself.

adam2046 wrote:

If you're actually town you're not making it much better for yourself by being a defeatist. Town should be trying to stay alive and lynch scum, not actively helping the mafia lynch them.
Probably too far gone for that. Also, I hate when people use that saying.

animask wrote:

Vote: Lilac

I'm not really suspicous of you, but I do hate your guts tremendously.
Two even followed your reason. WHY TWO?!? WHHHHY MUST YOU STOOP TO ANIMASK'S LEVEL!?!?!? Hate isn't a reason to kill! Only to seriously maim!

akrolsmir wrote:

Vote: Lilac, for trying to shift attention away from you without really providing defense for yourself. Or a case of any kind, really-
Answered you.

Quaraezha wrote:

I don't vote quite often but I'll bandwagon for now
Vote: Lilac
Typical.

Lybydose wrote:

vote: Lilac

His recent statements are even more scummy.
What?
rust45
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Topic Starter
rust45
Vote Count:
Lilac (5) - animask, Two, Lybydose, akrolsmir, Quaraezha

akrolsmir (3) - adam2046, foulcoon, Wojjan

Kiddo-Kun (2) - LadySuburu, Lilac

Not Voting (2) - Rantai, Kiddo-Kun

Lilac is at L-2!
adam2046
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adam2046
SPOILER
Summary of the 5-6 pages I was not talking.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Qua stating the obvious
Two Two Two
Akrosmlymer: TWO IS THE SCUM HMMMM
Two: I have a problem with your post
Akrobosm: IGNORING FIRST PART FOCUSING ON JOKE PART
animask ladidadididadadida trying hard
foulcoon makes a well thought out post
Alkomiser: IGNORING LARGE PARTS OF YOUR POST LALALA
lybydose: VOTE SOMEONE UNBOAT SOMEONE BLOAT SOMEONE UNBLOAT SOMEONE
LILAC ENTERS THE RING
Lilac: META META META META META META META META TAMASHII META META ICCHOUDO akrosmsnkk is probably innocent because he's new
Rantai makes well thought out post
I don't respond because I totally forgot
Lilac makes silly comments about lying low and not getting lynched
Wojjan Wojjan Wojjan Wojjan
People react to Lilac's silly posts
Two provides helpful informatio-HOLY SHIT
LadySuburu is non confrontational
Kiddo uses orange in his posts, I feel like puking
Kiddo points out Two, votes for Alkro instead
Everyone points this out
Amklos: OMGUS vote
Lybydose: :D D: :D D: :D D: :D D:
Afkro starts learning
animask posts and then posts and then posts and oh god my brain
Sudden Lilac pile up
Thus concludes how I feel about the last 5-6 pages.
I really couldn't be bothered dealing with all that.

akrolsmir wrote:

@adam Go back and read your last post (you know, 5 pages ago?), though I agree that Lilac's statement is pretty ambiguously worded.
Okay I get it now. I ask you a question, you answer the question, I am satisfied that that is how you feel about the subject even though I disagree. Lilac somehow expects me to start a long useless argument on the subject.

Lilac wrote:

Probably too far gone for that.
Stop doing that.

Lilac wrote:

Also, I hate when people use that saying.
The saying about how to actually play mafia? Namely that the point is actually lynching mafia?
foulcoon
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foulcoon
unless you're mafia
Lilac
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Lilac

adam wrote:

Lilac somehow expects me to start a long useless argument on the subject.
What? I did?



Also to answer foulcoon.

foulcoon: To quote adam. META META META META META. You don't really play mafia like this (as I've seen on one previous game. You're more aggressive.), unless of course you've changed just like a lot of people have in this game.

Doc: Ehh, his random voting spree doesn't sound like it has much basis. Though he seems to have voted on the basis of using other people's arguments, I'm pretty sure he's being lazy and not doing things like he's done before... In other words, META META META META META META META META META META.

akrolsmir: Playing by the book, maybe it's the newbie charm that leads me to think that people who are new to the game are not necessarily mafia at first...This is more of looking at the setup and trying to read into the host but hell that ain't going to work. Anyone that kinda leans towards town is town for me at this point in time.

Also, I like dealing with things being certain, it leads towards less WIFOM and more of having a shot at trying to get Mafia.

Rantai: ...............He's so bloody neutral. Let me meta this guy.

Wow, damn. He actually plays pretty similar for neutral, town and mafia...... But it's just my gut feeling he isn't Mafia...
Lilac
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Lilac
Oh yeah.

Unvote
Two_old
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Two_old

Lilac wrote:

I'm not lying when I said I wasn't mafia. In fact, this is the best role I've had in ages.

Lilac wrote:

I'm not going to defend myself because there is no point.

Lilac wrote:

However, now that I think about it, contributing in Day 1 actually makes it better for you to understand the situation.
have you been drinking animask juice or something

and fyi you misunderstood the whole hate thing, animask was directing that at me
Lilac
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Lilac
I've already explained myself...

Omnomnom, juice.
Two_old
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Two_old
so lilac who would you most like to see die
Lilac
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Lilac
You, because I love you.
Two_old
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Two_old
your fake answers are making it really difficult for me to justify my reasons for thinking you aren't mafia
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