They detect Lies.Wojjan wrote:
We all know what happens with lie detectors.
Or not.
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Mind Game Mafia 2 (Killer Win!)
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Or not.
/in
for the lulz
for the lulz
/in
why not
why not
This concept does interest me.
/in
/in
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Adding to the main post: If the Lie Detector is used on a comment that it won't work on, it will break down and stop working for that day.
Clarifying: You only get one use of the Lie Detector per day, regardless.
Clarifying: You only get one use of the Lie Detector per day, regardless.
Er, can I get /in? Never played a forum mafia game before but I've been lurking on mafiascum and here.
eh I'll give it a shot
/in
/in
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Game won't start until Sunday, since I'm not home and the roles are on a notepad on my other computer. Roles will be sent out late sunday.
Should have started it now while I have nothing better to do! lol
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I really want to, but these mind games are kinda complex and I can't do anything without my notes.foulcoon wrote:
Should have started it now while I have nothing better to do! lol
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I should, shouldn't I? I might start storing stuff.akrolsmir wrote:
Google docs is your friend?
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Delayed until tomorrow due to unforseen circumstances.
Confirmed.
Confirmed.
confirm
Confirmed.
Now that I know what the first MGM was like, I'm scared of my role in this one.
Now that I know what the first MGM was like, I'm scared of my role in this one.
Confirmed
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All but two have confirmed.
With 9 alive, it's 5 to cure or detect.
Deadline in 6 days.
With 9 alive, it's 5 to cure or detect.
Deadline in 6 days.
Sup, guys, heard you liek mafia.
confirm~
I'm scared...
I'm scared...
inb4roleclaim
Actually, we could/should assume that this MGM will be different than the previous.
We can't cure AND detect?
Oh right, we have a lie detector and some happy cure drugs.
I think we should use the lie detector before the drugs...
The killer doesn't know that they are the killer so everyone would be able to make a statement for the detector.
Only one of us is sane... that probably means all but one of our roles is actually correct.
Now... who knows how to use this lie detector?
Actually, we could/should assume that this MGM will be different than the previous.
We can't cure AND detect?
Oh right, we have a lie detector and some happy cure drugs.
I think we should use the lie detector before the drugs...
The killer doesn't know that they are the killer so everyone would be able to make a statement for the detector.
Only one of us is sane... that probably means all but one of our roles is actually correct.
Now... who knows how to use this lie detector?
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You can detect and cure, both just take votes. (ofcourseimightusethatforafuturegamenow)animask wrote:
inb4roleclaim
Actually, we could/should assume that this MGM will be different than the previous.
We can't cure AND detect?
Oh right, we have a lie detector and some happy cure drugs.
I think we should use the lie detector before the drugs...
The killer doesn't know that they are the killer so everyone would be able to make a statement for the detector.
Only one of us is sane... that probably means all but one of our roles is actually correct.
Now... who knows how to use this lie detector?
are you dumb or stupid?animask wrote:
inb4roleclaim
Actually, we could/should assume that this MGM will be different than the previous.
We can't cure AND detect?
from what i understand we can
Oh right, we have a lie detector and some happy cure drugs.
right
I think we should use the lie detector before the drugs...
no shit sherlock
The killer doesn't know that they are the killer so everyone would be able to make a statement for the detector.
but we can only use it on one statement per day and it wont work on obvious statements
Only one of us is sane... that probably means all but one of our roles is actually correct.
no, that would mean that all but one of our roles is actually INCORRECT
Now... who knows how to use this lie detector?
I would assume we just vote posts
I'm guessing the killer will know their own identity pretty soon... I mean, they send in a night action, the person they targeted dies. So after day 1 we can hunt in something resembling a normal fashion.
Meanwhile let's try and come up with a statement that will be lie-detectorable and also produce helpful results- that's the only useful thing I can think of day 1. I would suggest "Is any one of these actually the killer regardless of what they believe: (5 random people)?" and we can narrow it down by binary searching. Of course this might be too obvious...
Meanwhile let's try and come up with a statement that will be lie-detectorable and also produce helpful results- that's the only useful thing I can think of day 1. I would suggest "Is any one of these actually the killer regardless of what they believe: (5 random people)?" and we can narrow it down by binary searching. Of course this might be too obvious...
It probably is and it may take more days then we normally detect (detecting scummy or key point holding posts etc etc)
My role requires 2 targets.
What now?
What now?
I take it you mean bus driver? Don't know if you're unable to claim or not. The presence of a bus driver might screw with determining our own sanity. If there is a bus driver in this game they probably shouldn't use their action on night one so we can all figure out what we're doing. I think a "no-drug" might be the best decision for today as well, but we do need to get the lie detector in action.animask wrote:
My role requires 2 targets.
What now?
Agreed. Also, with my role I should be able to determine my sanity after night 1 easily.
i agree that we should vote for no lynch drug today, since we only get 3 vials.....
and there's pretty big chance that the lie detector won't really works well on the first day...
and there's pretty big chance that the lie detector won't really works well on the first day...
foulcoon wrote:
I take it you mean bus driver? Don't know if you're unable to claim or not.
Maybe.LadySuburu wrote:
However, you may claim any role you please, and explain the powers in any way you please.
Also a no drug sounds logical at this stage, we really can't afford to use it up based on guessing. Especially when no one knows what they are for sure.
That damn lie detector better work.
That damn lie detector better work.
Now that we've established we're not curing day 1, anyone got ideas for questions?
Not sure about the lie detector. (to be honest I bet it's faulty)
However, drawing on the other game's idea. Everyone with a night action should target set people. That way when the person dies we'll know who was targeting who.
What do you guys think?
However, drawing on the other game's idea. Everyone with a night action should target set people. That way when the person dies we'll know who was targeting who.
What do you guys think?
Well it would be hard for animask to figure his sanity since he would have to make two targets, why don't we lie detect his "My role requires 2 targets"?
oh right what am I thinking. Confused between sanity and hidden role >_>;;
so the problem now is where to throw vote for the lie detector
since this is the first day... there's a big chance that someone might just go ridiculously posting something that makes him looks like a liar..
so we better think before taking action........
since this is the first day... there's a big chance that someone might just go ridiculously posting something that makes him looks like a liar..
so we better think before taking action........
Hey, what roles can even be sane/insane/etc.? I don't know much about sanities, so I'm not sure which roles have them.
I'm all for a no drug at this stage because we can't really tell anything.
Actually, is "sane" as used in the first post even referring to specific roles? o.o Maybe it might mean something else, though I seriously doubt that's the case.
I don't know much about sanities, so I'm not sure which roles have them.I'm all for a no drug at this stage because we can't really tell anything.
Actually, is "sane" as used in the first post even referring to specific roles? o.o Maybe it might mean something else, though I seriously doubt that's the case.
I interpreted it to be the sane person will have the role the pm assigned them. The insane ones may or may not have the role that the pm assigned them.
Say I was assigned cop but am insane. I go to check someone and end up killing them. This means I am actually the killer and not a cop.
Say I was assigned cop but am insane. I go to check someone and end up killing them. This means I am actually the killer and not a cop.
Isn't sane and insane suppose to result in opposite? If you are insane cop, every mafia will turn out innocent and such. That's what I meant by "got confused between different and opposite". The role may be the same, but results in opposite, which means even by lie detecting and it gets a possitive from "I'm a cop" or "I'm a bus driver", the role could still act as insane.
Really, with this game, I wouldn't know what to expect, you can't really predict what the host is thinking. I think what Rantai said could be possible.bmin11 wrote:
Isn't sane and insane suppose to result in opposite? If you are insane cop, every mafia will turn out innocent and such. That's what I meant by "got confused between different and opposite". The role may be the same, but results in opposite, which means even by lie detecting and it gets a possitive from "I'm a cop" or "I'm a bus driver", the role could still act as insane.
Anyway, I have a statement that I propose to check (just to get this rolling).
My role sends a message to someone else who I'll be able to ask if they got the message to confirm my sanity.
I think that's a possible statement but I'd like it revised. Does your role prevent you from role claiming?
Then again, when I was sensor in a previous I could not role claim and I also could not say that I wasn't allowed to claim. Just let me know.
Perhaps a better statement would be:
"rust45's role allows him to communicate privately with other players."
Then again, when I was sensor in a previous I could not role claim and I also could not say that I wasn't allowed to claim. Just let me know.
Perhaps a better statement would be:
"rust45's role allows him to communicate privately with other players."
My question is, where does that actually get us?
Good point. I guess all that would do is confirm rust's own state of sanity or insanity and we would have to blindly trust him. Though his description of his role doesn't really make it seem like he would be the killer?Rantai wrote:
My question is, where does that actually get us?
Well it's not quite that. I'm a friendly neighbor that just says hello and tells them I'm town. I can't discuss anything with others. If that's what my role really does, then I can ask the player I talked to if he received my message.foulcoon wrote:
"rust45's role allows him to communicate privately with other players."
I'll rephrase it:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
I could see it being possible- maybe whoever he tries to send a message to is actually NK'd. Besides, I'm not sure picking single people and finding out more about their roles is really the best use of the lie detector- even on the best case scenario we only learn about 1/9 of us.foulcoon wrote:
Good point. I guess all that would do is confirm rust's own state of sanity or insanity and we would have to blindly trust him. Though his description of his role doesn't really make it seem like he would be the killer?Rantai wrote:
My question is, where does that actually get us?
Well, yes, I was just putting something on the table so maybe we could get ideas. But keep in mind working with multiple people in one lie-checked statement won't be very helpful at all, as if one part of the statement is false, then we don't know what part.
rust45's role doesn't seem to be a mafia-like role at all. I don't think it would hurt doing so. By the way, is it possible to screen shot the night action PM?
That is basically quoting.
Unless you're talking about something else.
Unless you're talking about something else.
k nevermind that was stupid
Is there even a mafia in this game?
There might not be, given that we don't even get to lynch people. In which case this really is some deceptively titled game.
It's not a mind mafia game without the second guessing.
That said, I think it will be -
1 Killer, 8 idiots (townies, yeah
)
Or
1 Killer, 1 sane mafia, 7 idiots.
And of course, by idiot I mean nothing derogatory to anyone.
That said, I think it will be -
1 Killer, 8 idiots (townies, yeah
)Or
1 Killer, 1 sane mafia, 7 idiots.
And of course, by idiot I mean nothing derogatory to anyone.
the killer have a good winning chance here since
1. the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.
or all the townies flatted to the ground because killed or cured.......
at least he stay safe within the range to be detected by lie detector
1. the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.
or all the townies flatted to the ground because killed or cured.......
at least he stay safe within the range to be detected by lie detector
You know, how would the mafia even know who is their partner(s)? I mean, with misleading roles they could easily kill or give medicine to one of their own.
Ok you know what? We're getting no where.
Vote Lie Detect:
Vote Lie Detect:
At the very least we'll see how it works.rust45 wrote:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
We're almost certain to get a negative response from this, given that only one in nine of us are sane. Unless rust45 lied to us for some reason. Anyways, I agree this isn't going anywhere so Vote Lie Detect: "My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"Rantai wrote:
Ok you know what? We're getting no where.
Vote Lie Detect:At the very least we'll see how it works.rust45 wrote:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
There has got to be a more succinct way of putting that.
sounds good to me~
Vote Lie Detect:
Vote Lie Detect:
rust45 wrote:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
Vote Lie Detect: what they said
Topic Starter
Lie detect works on the entirety of posts. As the current example, the post with the most votes currently (but still not enough to detect) is...
rust45 wrote:
Well it's not quite that. I'm a friendly neighbor that just says hello and tells them I'm town. I can't discuss anything with others. If that's what my role really does, then I can ask the player I talked to if he received my message.
I'll rephrase it:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
rust45's role allows him to send a message to another player, who could confirm that he is town.
Unvote
Vote Lie Detect:
Vote Lie Detect:
foulcoon wrote:
rust45's role allows him to send a message to another player, who could confirm that he is town.
Good idea, but perhaps the lie detector is construed so that it only reveals a player's view rather than the objective truth, like a real-life lie detector.foulcoon wrote:
Unvote
Vote Lie Detect:foulcoon wrote:
rust45's role allows him to send a message to another player, who could confirm that he is town.
For clarification- In real life, if I believed that the sky was pink, and stated this on the lie detector, it would verify that the sky is pink even though objectively it's not.
If this is the case, it might be more prudent to have rust45 make a new post instead of you, because he has definite opinions on the matter while you are uncertain whether he's lying.
But for lack of a better option at this point, unvote, vote: foulcoon's post.
My role allows me to send a message to another player, who could confirm that I am town.
Vote: My last post
Unvote
Vote Lie Detect:
Vote Lie Detect:
rust45 wrote:
My role allows me to send a message to another player, who could confirm that I am town.
foulcoon wrote:
Unvote
Vote Lie Detect:rust45 wrote:
My role allows me to send a message to another player, who could confirm that I am town.
It seems like people are losing interest in the game. Prods please?
Prod: Everyone who hasn't posted in 24 hours (i'm too lazy to check)
Prod: Everyone who hasn't posted in 24 hours (i'm too lazy to check)
*pop*
Huh, wuh?
Everyone should just roleclaim and we each take turns using our role?
ZzzzZzzzZzzzZZZZzz
Huh, wuh?
Everyone should just roleclaim and we each take turns using our role?
ZzzzZzzzZzzzZZZZzz
That would take 9 turns and that experiment can be manipulated by the killer as well.
Vote: what everyone else is voting for
Vote: what everyone else is voting for
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The machine churns and churns, and appears to break down... but it seems this time it's still functional and ready for another use.
That was a mod bonus since I wasn't clear and since nobody knows who the killer is yet.
Also, I should give this game slightly longer on deadlines since you can vote both on a detect and a cure. (Which, if you're not using either vote No Cure or wait till deadline.)
So, two day bonus.
That was a mod bonus since I wasn't clear and since nobody knows who the killer is yet.
SPOILER
Hint: "My ability targets 1 person." Would be vague enough for the detector. Likewise, "I protected X last night." Figure the rest out on your own.
Also, I should give this game slightly longer on deadlines since you can vote both on a detect and a cure. (Which, if you're not using either vote No Cure or wait till deadline.)
So, two day bonus.
Ok so we gotta figure it out from nothing. Roleclaim could be the choice, but I'm not sure if this is going to help, or even just cause confusions
Hint: "My ability targets 1 person." Would be vague enough for the detector. Likewise, "I protected X last night." Figure the rest out on your own.So our statements are supposed to be vague rather than specific? I thought it was the other way around...
Possible posts to detect on:
"The only non-town faction is the lone killer"- if we can use it to speculate the setup
"rust45's ability will not inconvenience the target"- might be more likely to work, it's more vaguely phrased
"this is a post"- to test the sanity of the lie detector?
Anyways Vote: No Cure so at least we can get that out of the way.
How about "the only sane role is the killer". This would confirm if we should try to figure our sanity or not
"The only sane one is the killer"Vote: @above, Vote: No Cure
Although he won't know it, the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.I took this to mean that the killer is confirmed insane, and someone else out there just happens to be sane.
Sane/Insane = Role Typeakrolsmir wrote:
Although he won't know it, the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.I took this to mean that the killer is confirmed insane, and someone else out there just happens to be sane.
Not alignment... unless we need to all agree on that too.
Double post because animask is a ninja, I agree with akrolsmir.
We probably should get our terminology straight so we don't start confusing one another. The OP stated:
So basically I was saying that the killer has no idea that s/he is the killer.
It's known that only one of you is sane.And I assumed that meant only one of our roles is exactly equivalent to what the role PM stated, and everyone else had an actual role different from the stated one. I took the former to mean "sane" and the latter "insane". This differs from the traditional definition (which only applies to cops if I'm reading the wiki correctly), but it'll probably be more appropriate for this game. Unless you want to use "deluded" or something instead to avoid confusion?
So basically I was saying that the killer has no idea that s/he is the killer.
i think this is rather suspicious for someone want to get his lie exposed.....rust45 wrote:
Vote: My last post
oh well....
never mind that.....
better not to think based on personal opinion so
vote: no drug
Vote: No drug
And I think a better wording regarding the killer would be. "The killer is aware that they are the killer"
This seems better to me as the killer may actually be considered insane but still know that they are the killer. (Such as a serial killer)
And I think a better wording regarding the killer would be. "The killer is aware that they are the killer"
This seems better to me as the killer may actually be considered insane but still know that they are the killer. (Such as a serial killer)
I was doing that as we didn't really have anywhere to go and no one knew what to do.Index-San wrote:
i think this is rather suspicious for someone want to get his lie exposed.....
I think that's a majority for No Drug today.
I'm about 90% sure that's going to return a negative result, based on the OP as I mentioned before. If the detector doesn't just break on us instead. But I don't have any better ideas, and at least this could test the sanity of the detector. Plus, I might be wrong. So:rust45 wrote:
And I think a better wording regarding the killer would be. "The killer is aware that they are the killer"
Unvote, Vote: Above
Also I didn't even know there was a time restriction on posts until just now
Also I didn't even know there was a time restriction on posts until just now
Vote: Thatakrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
vote: thisakrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
This is what I was wondering about (and why I asked about sanities). I wasn't sure if "sane" in this case was referring to the definition that I thought only applied to cops.akrolsmir wrote:
We probably should get our terminology straight so we don't start confusing one another. The OP stated:It's known that only one of you is sane.And I assumed that meant only one of our roles is exactly equivalent to what the role PM stated, and everyone else had an actual role different from the stated one. I took the former to mean "sane" and the latter "insane". This differs from the traditional definition (which only applies to cops if I'm reading the wiki correctly), but it'll probably be more appropriate for this game. Unless you want to use "deluded" or something instead to avoid confusion?
So basically I was saying that the killer has no idea that s/he is the killer.
I assume that in this case "sane" means that they don't know what they actually are, since it would make a lot more sense in this particular game.I already voted no drug, didn't I? o.o If not, vote no drug
Oh yeah, somehow I got it in my head that it was done for the day.
Vote:
Vote:
akrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
Currently, I'm willing to vote for no drug and "The killer is aware that they are the killer" statement. But before voting, I want to hear if Q or foulcoon has a better idea. We still have 37 hours anyway.
even we got 100 hours left...we can't do anything since we have no clue or something suspicious......
unless somebody got crazy and random vote on someone that will make this discussion suddenly heat up
unless somebody got crazy and random vote on someone that will make this discussion suddenly heat up
I'm just saying they could come up with different statements or something. Why seal the possibility?
anyway, 7 votes for no drug (hammered), 4 votes for the statement (1 vote to hammer), and a vote for the not-well-worded statement.
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SPOILER
Mod note: When a cure is hammered, the day ends. When No Drug is hammered, the day ends only if the lie detector has been used. If it hasn't, the day will end when it has. At that point you cannot unvote the no drug, however.
Edit: Fixed wording and added one more thing.
vote: what they all said
I have no better ideas for today
I have no better ideas for today
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Working.....akrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
Working.....
Analysis complete.
The above statement is false.
With that being said, everyone went off to sleep for the night.
The cure was not used D1.
It is now Night 1. Please send all night actions within 24 hours.