I targeted myself and foulcoon.
The killer must have known I would do that instead of risking my life on the last day.
The killer must have known I would do that instead of risking my life on the last day.
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Mind Game Mafia 2 (Killer Win!)
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I targeted rust because I was pretty sure animask is the bus driver.
Needless to say I'm 99.9% sure rust is the killer. If I were you rust, I probably would have killed animask because pieguy would have sided with you against me off his day 1 hunch. Then again if animasks role worked and I died you would probably be fucked. Its obvious now that your roleclaims were bullshit and that we've been played.
I can't think of a statement to test with lie detector but I'm willing to say anything to prove I'm not the killer at this point. Alternatively, I could confirm my personal belief if we tested "The sane player is still alive".
Needless to say I'm 99.9% sure rust is the killer. If I were you rust, I probably would have killed animask because pieguy would have sided with you against me off his day 1 hunch. Then again if animasks role worked and I died you would probably be fucked. Its obvious now that your roleclaims were bullshit and that we've been played.
I can't think of a statement to test with lie detector but I'm willing to say anything to prove I'm not the killer at this point. Alternatively, I could confirm my personal belief if we tested "The sane player is still alive".
Side note: if we can't think of something that will work in the lie detector can we test "This statement is false."?
The sane player is alive
HoS:Above
I feel this will help us out to see if animask really is a bus driver. If it comes up false then he's probably just a townie.
I feel this will help us out to see if animask really is a bus driver. If it comes up false then he's probably just a townie.
Lol yeah right. If it comes up false animask could possibly be the killer. If it comes up true, rust is the killer. I don't understand your logic here. Why would he be a townie if he wasn't sane. There is no way to confirm that. The only way the statement will be false is if index-san was sane anyways.
If it comes up true, then it could mean either of us is the killer. Not I'm the killer.
I haven't 100% confirmed my sanity yet, so I could still be an insane busdriver. Insane as in my role is not as listed.
Asking about my sanity wouldn't be a good way to find the killer because it still leaves you two open as candidates. I'm
starting to think rust still could be the killer... even though he gave a pretty good idea as to why lie detecting "that" wouldn't help.
Nobody commented on my other lie detecting idea?
Asking about my sanity wouldn't be a good way to find the killer because it still leaves you two open as candidates. I'm
starting to think rust still could be the killer... even though he gave a pretty good idea as to why lie detecting "that" wouldn't help.
Nobody commented on my other lie detecting idea?
Oh wait, it would give the same results as the other one. Something like "____ or ____ targeted pieguy on night 4?"
We'll think of something...
We'll think of something...
I still think animask is innocent as it would be stupid for the killer to have to choose two different targets to kill. Whether or not he's sane is another question, but as both you said, trying to figure that out will be a waste of time. What we need to do is formulate a question that can identify which one of us is the killer.
animask said he targeted himself and foulcoon last night. I targeted foulcoon last night, however due to the fact that I'm 99.99% sure that I was the receiver of Haneii's results, I don't think I have an action.
Oh and, btw animask, accusing me for being on the bandwagon yesterday is rather hypocritical of you since you were the one that started the wagon. And I explained my reasoning for lynching him at least, I didn't just jump on like scum would (At least a bad scum) to get a townie dead.
animask said he targeted himself and foulcoon last night. I targeted foulcoon last night, however due to the fact that I'm 99.99% sure that I was the receiver of Haneii's results, I don't think I have an action.
Oh and, btw animask, accusing me for being on the bandwagon yesterday is rather hypocritical of you since you were the one that started the wagon. And I explained my reasoning for lynching him at least, I didn't just jump on like scum would (At least a bad scum) to get a townie dead.
vote lie detectrust45 wrote:
The sane player is alive
Please don't vote this if you can think of a better question. Though if this comes back true I'm calling it a town win
Topic Starter
In two hours, deadline will be one day away.
You know what, I was thinking about this game all day. And I almost think animask might be the killer. Foul just seems so confident that he's innocent and so am I. Plus, animask was the one that got the bandwagon onto Rantai and it seems to me that he did it out of OMGUS since Rantai had voted on him.
If it comes up false, I'm taking a gambit and voting animask. If it comes up true, I'm sure that foulcoon is the killer.
Vote: Aboverust45 wrote:
The sane player is alive
If it comes up false, I'm taking a gambit and voting animask. If it comes up true, I'm sure that foulcoon is the killer.
Topic Starter
Processing...rust45 wrote:
The sane player is alive
Processing...
The statement above is orange.
Wait, no.
It's true.
With that, the lie detector explodes in a shower of sparks and Red Fish. Well, at least you got an answer this time.
Vote: foulcoon
@rust45, the fact that you voted for what foulcoon voted for was suspicious. ( I was waiting for that to happen to find out if you were the killer or not. )
I have a 50% chance of winning/losing. I'll wait for what foulcoon has to say before I do anything else.
I have a 50% chance of winning/losing. I'll wait for what foulcoon has to say before I do anything else.
That's enough for me.
Vote: rust45
At this point its really up to you animask. rust's actual role has been either a lie or just up in the air this entire game. He's had a free ride as everyone has assumed he was pro-town. His arguments as of late have also been very neutral. He said that if the result of the statement came back false then you (animask) were probably town. How does that even make sense? It's just an attempt to make me the only choice for the cure.
I don't see rust changing his vote, and I'm certainly not changing mine. You are obviously the bus driver, and as you know rust and I cannot be sane.
tl;dr - animask, pick the person you think is the killer and vote cure him.
Vote: rust45
At this point its really up to you animask. rust's actual role has been either a lie or just up in the air this entire game. He's had a free ride as everyone has assumed he was pro-town. His arguments as of late have also been very neutral. He said that if the result of the statement came back false then you (animask) were probably town. How does that even make sense? It's just an attempt to make me the only choice for the cure.
I don't see rust changing his vote, and I'm certainly not changing mine. You are obviously the bus driver, and as you know rust and I cannot be sane.
tl;dr - animask, pick the person you think is the killer and vote cure him.
When did I say that? I said if it came back false I would vote animask.foulcoon wrote:
He said that if the result of the statement came back false then you (animask) were probably town
rust45 wrote:
HoS:Above
I feel this will help us out to see if animask really is a bus driver. If it comes up false then he's probably just a townie.
Oh right, but that was before I had a full day of thought during a boring school day that made me realize the possibility of animask being the killer. But since the statement came up true anyway. The point is moot.
I think there is only 8 hours left in the day.
If animask doesn't vote and there's a tie I think I get lynched because rust voted me first.
Just putting that out there.
If animask doesn't vote and there's a tie I think I get lynched because rust voted me first.
Just putting that out there.
Topic Starter
Animask posted something about having a difficult time posting until saturday in the karaoke thread, so I'm extending the deadline until the end of the day saturday.foulcoon wrote:
I think there is only 8 hours left in the day.
If animask doesn't vote and there's a tie I think I get lynched because rust voted me first.
Just putting that out there.
Bumping to keep this up on first page.
Vote: rust45
Guess what? I'm the killer.
lulz
Guess what? I'm the killer.
lulzYou sneaky little
damn
FFFUUU, I knew I should have stuck with that feeling that told me animask was the killer. I guess this means foul was the sane one.
My given role was night vig, I sure as hell was not the sane one
But my given role was friendly neighbor, and I found out that I received Haneii's results.
Topic Starter
At the end of the day, it was decided to cure rust.animask wrote:
Vote: rust45
Guess what? I'm the killer.
Rust: Wait, so I was the killer after all!? Well, at least I won't di---
Rust collapses to the floor.
animask: Well, I guess we survived!
Foulcoon: Yay!
They then walked into the sunset.
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LadySuburu: Ah, a perfect ending for if town wins!
Foulcoon: There's no way I'm accepting an ending like that.
LadySuburu: Wait, why are you here? You were with town!
Foulcoon: No, I was the killer. That ending is horrendous, and I'm going to kill you now.
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Foulcoon - Killer - Wins in Endgame!
Starting role list:
[Quar] HANEII - Doctor (Quack Doctor)
pieguy - Cop (Vote Theif)
Rantai - Psychiatrist (Switches roles between target and random player. Role now has a title: Soul Driver.)
animask - Bus Driver (Sane)
Foulcoon -Night Vig (Investigates Sanity)
rust45 - Friendly Neighbor (Kills)
index-san - Jester (Roleblocker)
akrolsmir - Tracker (Flavor Cop)
bmin11 - Vote Theif (Protects)
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Hidden Win Conditions:
Psychiatrist (Switcher) switches Killer's role to someone else (Only possible if targetting killer.) [Win - Rantai]
Jester (Roleblocker) targets Bus Driver.
Vote Theif (Doctor) targets Doctor (Quack).
Doctor (Quack) targets same player as Vote Theif (Doctor) does, or targets the person being killed.
Night Vig (Sanity Cop) targets Killer. (Vote Theif).
Tracker (Flavor Cop) targets Same Player as the Night Vig(Sanity Cop)
Cop (Vote Theif) steals vote of Vote Theif (Doctor)
Bus Driver targets someone the Psychiatrist (Switcher) is targeting.
Friendly Neighbor (Killer) obtains protection role. [Win - rust45]
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Special Wins and bonus points:
Special Win: Pieguy (Redundancy department of Redundancy Award Award. Switching Rantai and him after rantai swapped himself and pieguy.)
Bonus points: Foulcoon (Night Vig) became killer.
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N1:
Rantai switches rust45 and Foulcoon.
Rust recieves sanity investigation of index.
pieguy steals foulcoon's vote
bmin11 protects rust.
akrols tracks rust
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N2:
Foul kills bmin11.
Pieguy steals bmin11's vote.
Rust and haneii switch roles. (Rust is now Quack Doctor, Haneii is now sanity cop)
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N3:
Pieguy and Rantai switch roles (Pie is now switcher, Rantai is now Vote theif)
Pieguy and Rantai switch back.
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That's all I have in my notes file.
Next MGM starting soon. Will post mod notes or commentary if I think of them.
Wow, even knowing the behind the scene is confusing @_@
Switching roles is quite of an ass move in a game when you don't know your original role at all...
I'm curious why "Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1" came out true. Could have been an easy game >_>
Switching roles is quite of an ass move in a game when you don't know your original role at all...
I'm curious why "Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1" came out true. Could have been an easy game >_>
Topic Starter
Thanks for reminding me.
Rantai was absolutely correct about the lie detector. It was a psuedo red herring. The detector worked or did not work based on the amount of information it gave to the players.
Rantai was absolutely correct about the lie detector. It was a psuedo red herring. The detector worked or did not work based on the amount of information it gave to the players.
because I targeted Index-San night 1 as well. I should have received his sanity according to the inital roles, but he died because Rantai swapped rust and I, making me the killer. I lied about targeting him because I thought I may be the killer at that point. After night 2 I was positive that I was the killer, and I was able to outwin/outplay/outlast <3bmin11 wrote:
I'm curious why "Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1" came out true. Could have been an easy game >_>
Topic Starter
To be specific, rantai only chose one target. The second is randomized. He's only able to swap the killer by specifically targetting the killer.foulcoon wrote:
because I targeted Index-San night 1 as well. I should have received his sanity according to the inital roles, but he died because Rantai swapped rust and I, making me the killer. I lied about targeting him because I thought I may be the killer at that point. After night 2 I was positive that I was the killer, and I was able to outwin/outplay/outlast <3bmin11 wrote:
I'm curious why "Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1" came out true. Could have been an easy game >_>
And I was investigating foulcoon the night I died... Animask why didn't you bus me 
?
also how the heck did you conclude that you were the killer?
To be fair right up to the night I died I was convinced I was the killer myself o.O
?also how the heck did you conclude that you were the killer?
To be fair right up to the night I died I was convinced I was the killer myself o.O
.............
...Son of a bitch.
All that effort for naught.... and I daresay my gut from day 1 was right all along. I also knew foulcoon's reason for attacking rust45 was wrong. I can't believe people actually followed foulcoon's reason for attacking rust45. No wonder I died, foulcoon knew I was on to him (I was actually 100% sure it was foulcoon by the end of the game).
Anyway, no wonder we couldn't figure anything out. I never would have guessed that there would be a role that switches roles... (I didn't know what a Soul Driver even was, nor could I find it anywhere, so even after his reveal I didn't know that.)
(Also, rofl, that's why my hidden win was for? I figured it was targeting myself and thus trying to realize what my role really was. That's possibly the most insane random coincidence I've ever seen.
)
GG everyone... and I still say my gut is 2 for 2 so far
pieguy1372 wrote:
Oh also, I targeted foulcoon, but as I said it didn't seem to do anything.
pieguy1372 wrote:
I still have a bad feeling about foulcoon and I have since day 1, hence my night action. That's just a gut feeling though.
pieguy1372 wrote:
If what you said is true, this actually clears you from being the killer. It also clears rust. I know I'm not the killer, which leaves either Rantai or foulcoon (or, less likely, Haneii or animask). (Hey, my gut instinct back from day 1 is in there. =_=//)
pieguy1372 wrote:
FoS: foulcoon and Rantai, btw. >.<
......pieguy1372 wrote:
animask is probably sane, rust45 got all those results and I doubt the killer would...so I still say it's either Rantai or foulcoon.
...Son of a bitch.
All that effort for naught.... and I daresay my gut from day 1 was right all along. I also knew foulcoon's reason for attacking rust45 was wrong. I can't believe people actually followed foulcoon's reason for attacking rust45. No wonder I died, foulcoon knew I was on to him (I was actually 100% sure it was foulcoon by the end of the game).
Anyway, no wonder we couldn't figure anything out. I never would have guessed that there would be a role that switches roles... (I didn't know what a Soul Driver even was, nor could I find it anywhere, so even after his reveal I didn't know that.)
(Also, rofl, that's why my hidden win was for? I figured it was targeting myself and thus trying to realize what my role really was. That's possibly the most insane random coincidence I've ever seen.
)GG everyone... and I still say my gut is 2 for 2 so far
I find it odd that my hidden win condition didn't require me to do anything.
I should've reviewed everything before voting. I only found foulcoon a bit suspicious based on his playstyle. rust45 just seemed standardly scummy. I think I found my playstyle... just not my judging style.
I don't mean to sound like an asshole but....pieguy1372 wrote:
All that effort for naught.... and I daresay my gut from day 1 was right all along. I also knew foulcoon's reason for attacking rust45 was wrong. I can't believe people actually followed foulcoon's reason for attacking rust45. No wonder I died, foulcoon knew I was on to him (I was actually 100% sure it was foulcoon by the end of the game).
GG everyone... and I still say my gut is 2 for 2 so far
you're fucking retarded.
You weren't ever "on to me". You had a gut feeling that I was the killer at a point in the game in which I WASN'T THE KILLER. Also, I kept you around because you were so unbelievably wrong that nobody would really ever side with you. The only reason I killed you the last night is so that I could convince animask that rust was the actual killer.
tl;dr - you're dumb, and your gut wasn't right because you thought I was the killer when I wasn't even the killer.
Special Win: Pieguy (Redundancy department of Redundancy Award Award. Switching Rantai and him after rantai swapped himself and pieguy.)Haha I love it.
GG all, I had no idea what was happening.
To say the least, I had no idea what was going on @_@
Actually damn, I would've drugged foulcoon the next day if I wasn't drugged. Damn that biased lie detector!
lol... so I was wrong at the first day, then what? I continued to find you suspicious after you obtained the killer role and realized you were the killer, so at D2, yes I was on to you. After N1, me thinking you were the killer by a "gut feeling" wasn't based off of day 1...it would be stupid if it was because as you said you didn't know by then what your role was.foulcoon wrote:
I don't mean to sound like an asshole but....
you're fucking retarded.
You weren't ever "on to me". You had a gut feeling that I was the killer at a point in the game in which I WASN'T THE KILLER. Also, I kept you around because you were so unbelievably wrong that nobody would really ever side with you. The only reason I killed you the last night is so that I could convince animask that rust was the actual killer.
tl;dr - you're dumb, and your gut wasn't right because you thought I was the killer when I wasn't even the killer.
In other words, I may have been suspicious of you since D1, but my suspicion of you D1 didn't affect my suspicion of you starting D2. (If it did, I agree that would be wrong)
Also, that reason is practically the same thing as what I said, because you knew you could never convince me you weren't the killer.
You're absolutely right, I could never convince you that I wasn't the killer because you were making illogical arguments based on a hunch from Day 1 like an ignoramus.
Oh and I was just kidding when I said "Guess what? I'm the killer."
I don't like being alone
drives me mad (I'm still learning how to play this game.)
I don't like being alone
drives me mad (I'm still learning how to play this game.)On second thought pieguy, please ignore my comments. I understand that they were rude. I also understand that some people have to make themselves feel smart, or try to prove something to themselves or the group about their hunches being correct.
You win, pieguy.
You win, pieguy.
As I said before, at D2, I had to come up with another idea because as you said my hunch from D1 was invalidated. It just so happened to be the same person as my D1 hunch, but that didn't affect my D2 hunch.foulcoon wrote:
You're absolutely right, I could never convince you that I wasn't the killer because you were making illogical arguments based on a hunch from Day 1 like an ignoramus.
Also, my argument wasn't illogical. I had ruled out rust45 and animask, which was quite logical (and don't try to say that animask was another gut feeling, because you proposed the same thing). By the end, you were the only one left, so at that point it was just process of elimination.
EDIT: lol, just saw your latest post. It's not that, it's just me looking back on the game. If I sound like that, I apologize.
what you fail to admit is that you were so stubborn that you refused to see that rust could possibly be suspicious. He was never confirmed town, what he claimed his role was changed significantly throughout the game, which is in part why I believe I was able to convince animask that rust was the killer.
I did see the possibility of rust being the killer, but I thought it was more likely you were the killer.
Let's just move on, seeing as we're not really getting anywhere.
Let's just move on, seeing as we're not really getting anywhere.
Let's all be friends
Then who's going to be mafia?Rantai wrote:
Let's all be friends