Really, with this game, I wouldn't know what to expect, you can't really predict what the host is thinking. I think what Rantai said could be possible.bmin11 wrote:
Isn't sane and insane suppose to result in opposite? If you are insane cop, every mafia will turn out innocent and such. That's what I meant by "got confused between different and opposite". The role may be the same, but results in opposite, which means even by lie detecting and it gets a possitive from "I'm a cop" or "I'm a bus driver", the role could still act as insane.
Good point. I guess all that would do is confirm rust's own state of sanity or insanity and we would have to blindly trust him. Though his description of his role doesn't really make it seem like he would be the killer?Rantai wrote:
My question is, where does that actually get us?
Well it's not quite that. I'm a friendly neighbor that just says hello and tells them I'm town. I can't discuss anything with others. If that's what my role really does, then I can ask the player I talked to if he received my message.foulcoon wrote:
"rust45's role allows him to communicate privately with other players."
I could see it being possible- maybe whoever he tries to send a message to is actually NK'd. Besides, I'm not sure picking single people and finding out more about their roles is really the best use of the lie detector- even on the best case scenario we only learn about 1/9 of us.foulcoon wrote:
Good point. I guess all that would do is confirm rust's own state of sanity or insanity and we would have to blindly trust him. Though his description of his role doesn't really make it seem like he would be the killer?Rantai wrote:
My question is, where does that actually get us?
)At the very least we'll see how it works.rust45 wrote:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
We're almost certain to get a negative response from this, given that only one in nine of us are sane. Unless rust45 lied to us for some reason. Anyways, I agree this isn't going anywhere so Vote Lie Detect: "My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"Rantai wrote:
Ok you know what? We're getting no where.
Vote Lie Detect:At the very least we'll see how it works.rust45 wrote:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
rust45 wrote:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
rust45 wrote:
Well it's not quite that. I'm a friendly neighbor that just says hello and tells them I'm town. I can't discuss anything with others. If that's what my role really does, then I can ask the player I talked to if he received my message.
I'll rephrase it:
"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
foulcoon wrote:
rust45's role allows him to send a message to another player, who could confirm that he is town.
Good idea, but perhaps the lie detector is construed so that it only reveals a player's view rather than the objective truth, like a real-life lie detector.foulcoon wrote:
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Vote Lie Detect:foulcoon wrote:
rust45's role allows him to send a message to another player, who could confirm that he is town.
rust45 wrote:
My role allows me to send a message to another player, who could confirm that I am town.
foulcoon wrote:
Unvote
Vote Lie Detect:rust45 wrote:
My role allows me to send a message to another player, who could confirm that I am town.
Hint: "My ability targets 1 person." Would be vague enough for the detector. Likewise, "I protected X last night." Figure the rest out on your own.So our statements are supposed to be vague rather than specific? I thought it was the other way around...
"The only sane one is the killer"Vote: @above, Vote: No Cure
Although he won't know it, the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.I took this to mean that the killer is confirmed insane, and someone else out there just happens to be sane.
Sane/Insane = Role Typeakrolsmir wrote:
Although he won't know it, the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.I took this to mean that the killer is confirmed insane, and someone else out there just happens to be sane.
It's known that only one of you is sane.And I assumed that meant only one of our roles is exactly equivalent to what the role PM stated, and everyone else had an actual role different from the stated one. I took the former to mean "sane" and the latter "insane". This differs from the traditional definition (which only applies to cops if I'm reading the wiki correctly), but it'll probably be more appropriate for this game. Unless you want to use "deluded" or something instead to avoid confusion?
i think this is rather suspicious for someone want to get his lie exposed.....rust45 wrote:
Vote: My last post
I was doing that as we didn't really have anywhere to go and no one knew what to do.Index-San wrote:
i think this is rather suspicious for someone want to get his lie exposed.....
I'm about 90% sure that's going to return a negative result, based on the OP as I mentioned before. If the detector doesn't just break on us instead. But I don't have any better ideas, and at least this could test the sanity of the detector. Plus, I might be wrong. So:rust45 wrote:
And I think a better wording regarding the killer would be. "The killer is aware that they are the killer"
Vote: Thatakrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
vote: thisakrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
This is what I was wondering about (and why I asked about sanities). I wasn't sure if "sane" in this case was referring to the definition that I thought only applied to cops.akrolsmir wrote:
We probably should get our terminology straight so we don't start confusing one another. The OP stated:It's known that only one of you is sane.And I assumed that meant only one of our roles is exactly equivalent to what the role PM stated, and everyone else had an actual role different from the stated one. I took the former to mean "sane" and the latter "insane". This differs from the traditional definition (which only applies to cops if I'm reading the wiki correctly), but it'll probably be more appropriate for this game. Unless you want to use "deluded" or something instead to avoid confusion?
So basically I was saying that the killer has no idea that s/he is the killer.
I assume that in this case "sane" means that they don't know what they actually are, since it would make a lot more sense in this particular game.akrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
Working.....akrolsmir wrote:
The killer is aware that they are the killer.
There's no way we can quite be sure about what our roles actually did. And what would we roleclaim exactly?akrolsmir wrote:
Do we mass roleclaim, now? Since now everyone probably has a general idea of their actual roles.
You, at least, should have a good idea about what role you have.rust45 wrote:
There's no way we can quite be sure about what our roles actually did. And what would we roleclaim exactly?
I was told I was a neighbor (as I've stated before) but from the results from last night, I seem to be able to diagnose people by their sanity. As when I used my role. I was told insane. My target was Index though so the info is useless.akrolsmir wrote:
You, at least, should have a good idea about what role you have.rust45 wrote:
There's no way we can quite be sure about what our roles actually did. And what would we roleclaim exactly?
It'd be helpful to claim both the role you were PM'd originally, and your current suspicion of your true role based on the result from the night.
(Not roleclaiming for the moment because I want to see if rust's claims matches mine)
For some reason, I'm inclined to think there's some huge catch that we're missing that will cause a mass roleclaim to fail (I'm sure LadySuburu would take steps to make sure that wouldn't work this time). However, I think at that point it's the best choice we've got.We've already been told that the lie detector will only work on vague statements.animask wrote:
In case you think someone is suspicious and is lying (on purpose) we can use the lie detector on them.
Notice how rust45 was the only one whose role did anything? Maybe once you're "cured" you're capable of actually doing something during the night round, even though it's not what you were originally told. It might be a coincidence (since we don't even know if Rantai is sane), but still, this seems odd.Rantai wrote:
I was told that I am a psychiatrist. I 'cured' rust45 last night.
I am not sure if it worked or not (received nothing), I think only rust could tell me that.
Unfortunately not, judging by the lie detector result yesterday. So determining the sane person out of the group does nothing but give us one person who is not the killer of the remaining 8.animask wrote:
Is the sane character the killer? I'm confused...
Didn't think of that... maybe I am the sane one.pieguy1372 wrote:
Wait a minute...
Notice how rust45 was the only one whose role did anything? Maybe once you're "cured" you're capable of actually doing something during the night round, even though it's not what you were originally told. It might be a coincidence (since we don't even know if Rantai is sane), but still, this seems odd.
akrolsmir wrote:
Rust, could you target him next round and tell us his sanity? Given that you seem to be a cop that can determine people's sanities, and if he is sane we can conclude that everyone else isn't.
Maybe Rantai's not a psychiatrist (ie: rust was never cured) + if Rantai is sane would his/her action affect rust's action for that SAME night?LadySuburu wrote:
In this game your real role may have nothing to do with your 'known' role.
rust45 wrote:
So Haneii, were you told what you did last night?
2. Do not quote any PM, part or whole, you receive from the Mod. This includes fake or erroneous quoting. Breaking this rule will get you modkilled. However, you may claim any role you please, and explain the powers in any way you please.What do? o.o
rust's confirmed insane in the sense that his actual role does not match his PM'd role. (He was told he'd be a friendly neighbor in the role PM iirc). It appears that his actual role is to act as a "sanity" cop of sorts, and I would endeavor that his results in this area are accurate, just because knowing sanity has very limited utility anyways so LS probably wouldn't bother to mess with it on top of what she's already done.Haneii wrote:
Assuming rust's sane now?
Oh right, completely forgot about that >_<akrolsmir wrote:
rust's confirmed insane in the sense that his actual role does not match his PM'd role.Haneii wrote:
Assuming rust's sane now?