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Mind Game Mafia 2 (Killer Win!)

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LadySuburu
If you want in as a replacement, PM me.

As I said before, this game type is the one I'm going to keep doing. I will not be hosting any other games but these until nobody else wants to host a game.

Make sure to read the stories!

This is a game within a game. Each Mind game mafia will have one or two hidden win conditions, which when triggered will end the game with a win for those who triggered it. The roles will vary between being normal, or being specifically setup for the win condition.

The first game consisted of 9 Ordinary Townies, who were told they were Bulletproof Serial Killers. The game ended with everyone partially winning, thanks to the help of one of the players.

At the request of players, here's a definition of "Sanity" for this game.

Sanity determines if a player knows his role exactally or not. Same as in the case of an Insane Cop, who believes they are a regular cop. However, in this game your real role may have nothing to do with your known role.

New note: As people seem to be confused about this. If a player has a majority of people voting him at any point, the day ends with a lynch automatically.

Note 2: Roleplaying makes it a bit harder in mafia, please don't. I will roleplay the day's lynching for you. If you have a specific death in mind for when you're lynched, PM me. I might go with it.

Note 3: Please take this game seriously. It's hard for it to be played properly if you don't.

Final Note: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page this wiki is from a typo dedicated to hosting mafia games. If you have questions about mafia play, the wiki here can help.

Final Note 2: There are no "items" or simmilar purposes. There are no notes you can send after death. If your role doesn't say it's an ability that you can do, you can't do it. Other than role abilities, you can talk in this thread and you can vote.

If you want to play, post here with /in. We'll start when we have 9. Please read the rules.

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What's going on?

Attempt 2

You have been given a Lie Detector to use as a group. It's known that only one of you is sane. However, the Lie detector won't work on obvious comments. Think outside the box to figure out who is killing people, and cure them.

To use the Lie detector, you will vote for a post to Lie Detect. If the post is within the capabilities of the Lie Detector, it will tell you True or False.

If the Lie Detector is used on a comment that it won't work on, it will break down and stop working for that day. That means one use per day, regardless of if it works or not.

Instead of Lynching, you will be giving people medicine. The medicine will kill a target who isn't the killer, though. You only have three vials.

Although he won't know it, the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.

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Status: Somewhere between signups and over.

.::] Alive [::.
4. animask
5. foulcoon
6. rust45






Replacement Spots - Will be used if needed.
A. Haneii
B.
C.
D.

.::] Dead [::.
10. No Cure was used Day 1. / "The killer is aware that they are the killer." Is false.
7. Index-san - Roleblocker (Killed N1)
10. No Cure was used Day 2. / "Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on night 1." Is true.
9. bmin11 - Doctor (Killed N2)
1. Quaraezha Haneii - Quack Doctor ("Cured" D3) / "The killer has an "a" in their username." Is Bananas.
8. akrolsmir - Flavor Cop (Killed N3)
3. Rantai - Soul Driver ("Cured" D4) / "I (Rantai) targetted Index-san night 1." Is a repeating message."
2. pieguy1372 - Vote Theif (Killed N4)
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.::] The Setup [::.


It consists of any combination of roles the mod chooses, sometimes having to do with the hidden win condition.

Every player in this game will have received a Role PM. They will look like something.

All roles are either on the mafiascum wiki, or mentioned in the previous games. If for some reason your role isn't, consider yourself lucky or blind, and then PM me for an explanation.

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.::] Rules [::.
General

1. Unless otherwise stated in your Role PM, this game takes place in this thread only - do not discuss it anywhere else. Doing so will get you modkilled or immediately replaced, depending on the severity of the offence. (This is important for mafia games.)

2. Do not quote any PM, part or whole, you receive from the Mod. This includes fake or erroneous quoting. Breaking this rule will get you modkilled. However, you may claim any role you please, and explain the powers in any way you please.

3. If you believe I've made an error as the mod, send me a PM. Please do not post about such things in the thread. If you have anything else you need me to read or address, post something like this - "Mod: You're the best."

4. A player who is modkilled will lose the game, regardless of whether their team mates eventually win.

5. Omitted.

Voting, Lynching and Deaths

6. Any voting action must be bolded - Vote: destructor, etc.

7. You may vote to end the day without a lynch by voting No Lynch.

8. Voting is back to the normal system.

9. A lynch occurs when a player has an absolute majority of votes on them.

10. At deadline, the player with the most votes is lynched. In the event of a draw, the player who had the most votes before being tied will be lynched.

11. Once a lynch occurs the Day is considered to be over. Please, please, PLEASE do not post again until the next Day begins, especially if you are the player who was just lynched. (I accept talking beforehand as long as I haven't posted the lynch scene yet.)

12. On death, a player's role will be revealed.

13. A modkill may end the day, depending on the host's decision.

14. Once a player is dead, they cannot contribute any more to the game. They are not to post anything. (I'll accept a simple Bah! or Go Town!)

Activity

15. Please treat this game as a commitment.

16. Day one has a length of 5 IRL days. Each consecutive day's deadline is cut short by a day, unless a No Lynch is called for or the host sees signifigant activity. There are only a few reasons why I would extend one (such as replacing players).

17. If a player has not posted in 24 hours, I will prod them if requested to do so. That is, it's up to you to ask me to prod a certain player.

17b. Don't make me prod someone. As in, post once every 24 hours. If you have nothing to say, say "I'm here." I will be much more strict with prods than normal.

18. Prods must be responded to in thread.

19. A player who doesn't respond to their prod will be replaced or modkilled.

20. If you are going to be unable to post for over 24 hours, leave me a note in thread. As long as I am personally given notice, you will not be prodded.

Conduct

21. Be courteous and respectful to your fellow players.

22. Blatantly antisocial and offensive behaviour or personal attacks will be grounds for replacement at my own discretion.

23. Finally, Mafia is for fun, so enjoy yourself.

24. If you've noticed I've missed something, feel free to ask me about it.

25. I reserve the right to change these rules.
Quaraezha
/in
pieguyn
/in :?

I figured the other game was just about over, which is why I didn't replace >.< it seemed to me like it had been figured out. I wonder what will happen in this game...
Rantai
/in

More pain for the simple minded.
Wojjan
We all know what happens with lie detectors.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

We all know what happens with lie detectors.
They detect Lies.

Or not.
Sleep Powder
/in

for the lulz
foulcoon
/in

why not
rust45
This concept does interest me.

/in
SYSEN
/in
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Adding to the main post: If the Lie Detector is used on a comment that it won't work on, it will break down and stop working for that day.

Clarifying: You only get one use of the Lie Detector per day, regardless.
akrolsmir
Er, can I get /in? Never played a forum mafia game before but I've been lurking on mafiascum and here.
bmin11
eh I'll give it a shot
/in
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Game won't start until Sunday, since I'm not home and the roles are on a notepad on my other computer. Roles will be sent out late sunday.
foulcoon
Should have started it now while I have nothing better to do! lol
Topic Starter
LadySuburu

foulcoon wrote:

Should have started it now while I have nothing better to do! lol
I really want to, but these mind games are kinda complex and I can't do anything without my notes. :(
akrolsmir
Google docs is your friend?
Topic Starter
LadySuburu

akrolsmir wrote:

Google docs is your friend?
I should, shouldn't I? I might start storing stuff.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Delayed until tomorrow due to unforseen circumstances.
Rantai
Confirmed.
SYSEN
confirmed
Quaraezha
Confirmed.
foulcoon
confirm
Sleep Powder
Confirmed.

Now that I know what the first MGM was like, I'm scared of my role in this one.
bmin11
Confirmed
akrolsmir
Confirmed.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
All but two have confirmed.

With 9 alive, it's 5 to cure or detect.

Deadline in 6 days.
rust45
Sup, guys, heard you liek mafia.
pieguyn
confirm~

I'm scared... :?
Sleep Powder
inb4roleclaim

Actually, we could/should assume that this MGM will be different than the previous.

We can't cure AND detect?

Oh right, we have a lie detector and some happy cure drugs.

I think we should use the lie detector before the drugs...

The killer doesn't know that they are the killer so everyone would be able to make a statement for the detector.

Only one of us is sane... that probably means all but one of our roles is actually correct.

Now... who knows how to use this lie detector?
Topic Starter
LadySuburu

animask wrote:

inb4roleclaim

Actually, we could/should assume that this MGM will be different than the previous.

We can't cure AND detect?

Oh right, we have a lie detector and some happy cure drugs.

I think we should use the lie detector before the drugs...

The killer doesn't know that they are the killer so everyone would be able to make a statement for the detector.

Only one of us is sane... that probably means all but one of our roles is actually correct.

Now... who knows how to use this lie detector?
You can detect and cure, both just take votes. (ofcourseimightusethatforafuturegamenow)
foulcoon

animask wrote:

inb4roleclaim

Actually, we could/should assume that this MGM will be different than the previous.

We can't cure AND detect?

from what i understand we can

Oh right, we have a lie detector and some happy cure drugs.

right

I think we should use the lie detector before the drugs...

no shit sherlock

The killer doesn't know that they are the killer so everyone would be able to make a statement for the detector.

but we can only use it on one statement per day and it wont work on obvious statements

Only one of us is sane... that probably means all but one of our roles is actually correct.

no, that would mean that all but one of our roles is actually INCORRECT

Now... who knows how to use this lie detector?

I would assume we just vote posts
are you dumb or stupid?
akrolsmir
I'm guessing the killer will know their own identity pretty soon... I mean, they send in a night action, the person they targeted dies. So after day 1 we can hunt in something resembling a normal fashion.

Meanwhile let's try and come up with a statement that will be lie-detectorable and also produce helpful results- that's the only useful thing I can think of day 1. I would suggest "Is any one of these actually the killer regardless of what they believe: (5 random people)?" and we can narrow it down by binary searching. Of course this might be too obvious...
bmin11
It probably is and it may take more days then we normally detect (detecting scummy or key point holding posts etc etc)
Sleep Powder
My role requires 2 targets.

What now?
foulcoon

animask wrote:

My role requires 2 targets.

What now?
I take it you mean bus driver? Don't know if you're unable to claim or not. The presence of a bus driver might screw with determining our own sanity. If there is a bus driver in this game they probably shouldn't use their action on night one so we can all figure out what we're doing. I think a "no-drug" might be the best decision for today as well, but we do need to get the lie detector in action.
rust45
Agreed. Also, with my role I should be able to determine my sanity after night 1 easily.
SYSEN
i agree that we should vote for no lynch drug today, since we only get 3 vials.....
and there's pretty big chance that the lie detector won't really works well on the first day...
Rantai

foulcoon wrote:

I take it you mean bus driver? Don't know if you're unable to claim or not.

LadySuburu wrote:

However, you may claim any role you please, and explain the powers in any way you please.
Maybe.
Rantai
Also a no drug sounds logical at this stage, we really can't afford to use it up based on guessing. Especially when no one knows what they are for sure.

That damn lie detector better work.
akrolsmir
Now that we've established we're not curing day 1, anyone got ideas for questions?
Rantai
Not sure about the lie detector. (to be honest I bet it's faulty)

However, drawing on the other game's idea. Everyone with a night action should target set people. That way when the person dies we'll know who was targeting who.

What do you guys think?
bmin11
Well it would be hard for animask to figure his sanity since he would have to make two targets, why don't we lie detect his "My role requires 2 targets"?
bmin11
oh right what am I thinking. Confused between sanity and hidden role >_>;;
SYSEN
so the problem now is where to throw vote for the lie detector
since this is the first day... there's a big chance that someone might just go ridiculously posting something that makes him looks like a liar..
so we better think before taking action........
pieguyn
Hey, what roles can even be sane/insane/etc.? :? I don't know much about sanities, so I'm not sure which roles have them.

I'm all for a no drug at this stage because we can't really tell anything.

Actually, is "sane" as used in the first post even referring to specific roles? o.o Maybe it might mean something else, though I seriously doubt that's the case.
Rantai
I interpreted it to be the sane person will have the role the pm assigned them. The insane ones may or may not have the role that the pm assigned them.

Say I was assigned cop but am insane. I go to check someone and end up killing them. This means I am actually the killer and not a cop.
bmin11
Isn't sane and insane suppose to result in opposite? If you are insane cop, every mafia will turn out innocent and such. That's what I meant by "got confused between different and opposite". The role may be the same, but results in opposite, which means even by lie detecting and it gets a possitive from "I'm a cop" or "I'm a bus driver", the role could still act as insane.
rust45

bmin11 wrote:

Isn't sane and insane suppose to result in opposite? If you are insane cop, every mafia will turn out innocent and such. That's what I meant by "got confused between different and opposite". The role may be the same, but results in opposite, which means even by lie detecting and it gets a possitive from "I'm a cop" or "I'm a bus driver", the role could still act as insane.
Really, with this game, I wouldn't know what to expect, you can't really predict what the host is thinking. I think what Rantai said could be possible.

Anyway, I have a statement that I propose to check (just to get this rolling).

My role sends a message to someone else who I'll be able to ask if they got the message to confirm my sanity.
foulcoon
I think that's a possible statement but I'd like it revised. Does your role prevent you from role claiming?

Then again, when I was sensor in a previous I could not role claim and I also could not say that I wasn't allowed to claim. Just let me know.

Perhaps a better statement would be:

"rust45's role allows him to communicate privately with other players."
Rantai
My question is, where does that actually get us?
foulcoon

Rantai wrote:

My question is, where does that actually get us?
Good point. I guess all that would do is confirm rust's own state of sanity or insanity and we would have to blindly trust him. Though his description of his role doesn't really make it seem like he would be the killer?
rust45

foulcoon wrote:

"rust45's role allows him to communicate privately with other players."
Well it's not quite that. I'm a friendly neighbor that just says hello and tells them I'm town. I can't discuss anything with others. If that's what my role really does, then I can ask the player I talked to if he received my message.

I'll rephrase it:

"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
akrolsmir

foulcoon wrote:

Rantai wrote:

My question is, where does that actually get us?
Good point. I guess all that would do is confirm rust's own state of sanity or insanity and we would have to blindly trust him. Though his description of his role doesn't really make it seem like he would be the killer?
I could see it being possible- maybe whoever he tries to send a message to is actually NK'd. Besides, I'm not sure picking single people and finding out more about their roles is really the best use of the lie detector- even on the best case scenario we only learn about 1/9 of us.
rust45
Well, yes, I was just putting something on the table so maybe we could get ideas. But keep in mind working with multiple people in one lie-checked statement won't be very helpful at all, as if one part of the statement is false, then we don't know what part.
bmin11
rust45's role doesn't seem to be a mafia-like role at all. I don't think it would hurt doing so. By the way, is it possible to screen shot the night action PM?
Rantai
That is basically quoting.

Unless you're talking about something else.
bmin11
k nevermind that was stupid
akrolsmir
So, what the heck are we doing?
bmin11
Is there even a mafia in this game?
akrolsmir
There might not be, given that we don't even get to lynch people. In which case this really is some deceptively titled game.
Rantai
It's not a mind mafia game without the second guessing.

That said, I think it will be -

1 Killer, 8 idiots (townies, yeah :))

Or

1 Killer, 1 sane mafia, 7 idiots.

And of course, by idiot I mean nothing derogatory to anyone.
SYSEN
the killer have a good winning chance here since
1. the Killer will win if the town runs out of medicine.
or all the townies flatted to the ground because killed or cured.......
at least he stay safe within the range to be detected by lie detector
rust45
You know, how would the mafia even know who is their partner(s)? I mean, with misleading roles they could easily kill or give medicine to one of their own.
Rantai
Ok you know what? We're getting no where.

Vote Lie Detect:

rust45 wrote:

"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
At the very least we'll see how it works.
akrolsmir

Rantai wrote:

Ok you know what? We're getting no where.

Vote Lie Detect:

rust45 wrote:

"My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"
At the very least we'll see how it works.
We're almost certain to get a negative response from this, given that only one in nine of us are sane. Unless rust45 lied to us for some reason. Anyways, I agree this isn't going anywhere so Vote Lie Detect: "My role allows my to send a message to someone that confirms that I am town"

There has got to be a more succinct way of putting that.
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