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2011 Taiko World Cup (15th Apr ~ 29th May)

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OzzyOzrock
no green flags combo breaker lol
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Uh.... Ok, since there are no Italy or Netherlands team currently, and 2 players are Italian and 2 players are dutch can be registered as Italy-Netherlands, I guess?

EDIT:
Italy-Netherlands: NeoRainier, Pheon, Jak64, Henkie
or
Italy-Netherlands: NeoRainier, Pheon, Jak64, Henkie

Which way would be better?
Anyway, registered!
OzzyOzrock
[img][/img]

Quality increase~
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
@^: Ok, slight modification and... done, thanks!
wmfchris
now we have exactly 16 teams lol
matthewhln
I have been thinking,
This rule:
8. The team wins 3 games first will win the match. In semi-final and final, the team need to win 4 games.

If it can changed into,
Round-robin group stage: Wins 3 games
Knockout tournament stage: Wins 4 games
Final: Wins 5 games
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
@^: Hmm, that seems nice, I'll give some thoughs about that. Thanks for your opinion!
RockeDon

matthewhln wrote:

I have been thinking,
This rule:
8. The team wins 3 games first will win the match. In semi-final and final, the team need to win 4 games.

If it can changed into,
Round-robin group stage: Wins 3 games
Knockout tournament stage: Wins 4 games
Final: Wins 5 games
Rlly nice idea, more fun, action and suspense!
Acrith
Time of Poland! :3..The last shall be first :P

Poland: 1miko1, rEdo, Acrith, Niko- :).
RockeDon

Acrith wrote:

Time of Poland! :3..The last shall be first :P

Poland: 1miko1, rEdo, Acrith, Niko- :).
Now we have to come 30 minutes before the match start!
(Because polaks have a bad i-net connection) *loled so hard*
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Team Poland registered!

Acutally, this Taiko world cup has been recognized by peppy already, so I can say this is official, right? >w<
http://puu.sh/1klA
mekadon_old

lepidopodus wrote:

Team Poland registered!

Acutally, this Taiko world cup has been recognized by peppy already, so I can say this is official, right? >w<
http://puu.sh/1klA
Now I have more spirit playing roflmao xDXD That's great! :D
1miko1

RockeDon wrote:

Acrith wrote:

Time of Poland! :3..The last shall be first :P

Poland: 1miko1, rEdo, Acrith, Niko- :).
Now we have to come 30 minutes 2 hours before the match start!
(Because polaks have a bad i-net connection) *loled so hard*
Fixed.
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Currently I'm making map pools for this Taiko WC. Already chose 120 songs, though not all of them will be used.

Not that many good & hard maps in Ranked standard maps to play Taiko, unfortunalty.
wmfchris

lepidopodus wrote:

Currently I'm making map pools for this Taiko WC. Already chose 120 songs, though not all of them will be used.

Not that many good & hard maps in Ranked standard maps to play Taiko, unfortunalty.
Agree orz

BTW we have 17 teams so it's not easy to put them in pools orz
OnosakiHito
1miko1 is there... oh yeah...
and everything is official now.... hell yeah. :3
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Quite interesting situation happend in Osu World Cup, check OWC thread about that.

In Taiko World Cup? Read rule number 4, guys. I don't know when I set that rule but it exists lol
arien666
Umm...
Most osu maps are with 1/4Finish so it would not be good on taiko orz
Maybe, I need to pick up some great ranked Taiko diffs but,
I wonder if it should be Oni diff...

wonder orz
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
@^: that's what I'm worried about. Even chosen osu standard maps have 1/4 finishes, weird SV change, loling streams or something like that.
Just pick up something you want, arken.

EDIT:
@∨: Fixed.
blacksymbian
Hi there Lepi. I'd like to switch etherealetenity to caelumangelus please?.. thanks!

P.S. We're Team PH btw :D
RockeDon

lepidopodus wrote:

@^: that's what I'm worried about. Even chosen osu standard maps have 1/4 finishes, weird SV change, loling streams or something like that.
Just pick up something you want, arken.
And standart maps have not rly a drum rhytm!
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
d d k d d d k d d d k d d d k d d d k d...... Yeah, lots of maps are like that.
Worse case: k k K k k K k K k k k K k K K K.....
wmfchris
Yes there're many solo diffs with 1/4 finishes but there're also lots of them without 1/4 finishes... ._.

Not easy to find them out though :3



d d k d d d k d ... is the pattern that adopted in most maps, but usually there're more variation in harder diff ._.

ddddddddddd/kkkkkkkkkkk usually appear in some very old maps so probably we won't choose them =P
Pheon
Well, osu-diffs should be added if they're good, really. The problem is the SV too.
*cough Banned Forever cough* *it is awesome to play though if you know the map cough cough*
wmfchris
SV isn't a problem unless they're far too slow (like SV0.8 or lower), too high (SV2.0 or higher, or high BPM with quite high SV), odd shift of SV to give difficulty in reading note...
SV 1.4 is only the usual practice of namco but we don't really need to follow that one :3
Zekira
SV isn't a problem
Get out.
OzzyOzrock
Sure some osu! diffs are fun, but are they what we need in a tournament? It could end up going from whoever can actually hit these patterns to whoever can keep their rhythm on rolls and accuracy in high OD.
OnosakiHito
The only problem I can see by using osu! maps is the SV.
But patterns are not really that big problem. I mean we know the maps, so I don't belive that some one took KKkKKkkKKkk maps or so.

Some osu! maps have also a good Taiko beat. Somtimes it's better then a Taiko map it self, honestly.
So don't using osu! diff's could be maybe also boring? I dunno.
Sander-Don
osu! diffs in a taiko tournie? i don't even

also a profile badge ♥ キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━!!!!! ♥
matthewhln
I think speed changing or speedy map( fast SV or High BPM) is some kind of challenge to the player
of course it should not be unplayable like Hatsune Miku - Hatsune Miku no Shuuen [demise]

but I think some can be added into the pool to make to game more interesting...

About the pattern, it will depend on what level of map you wanted to take
or what standard you like to take on choosing winner( Their skills or their accuracy )

Still, some maps like Len - U.N. Owen was her? [lepidon! - Taiko Oni] is a bit too hard for some players
I don't think they should appear in early battles.
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Ok, 137 songs in mappool will be fine, I guess. somewhat lacks very hard maps, but I'll gonna make some maps if it's really needed. (lol)
OnosakiHito
@matthewhln: Len - U.N. Owen was her? [lepidon! - Taiko Oni]
@Lepidopodus: Tell me if you need help because of less time or so.

By the way, isn't it clear now that easy songs will be choosen at the beginning and hard songs at the end?
Or is it still the question, which maps should be choosen?
wmfchris
The difficulty of making diffs for competition is that we can reach less modders and we have to finish it internally ._.

well I'm ok for that :3

Clearly there's a general trend of increasing difficulty when the match goes into later stage.
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Noobita is now staff >.>
arien666

Zekira wrote:

SV isn't a problem
Get out.
[quote="aru :3":c5ebb]SV1.4 and SV1.44 are almost same on Taiko mod ._.;_;
/me is got out
matthewhln
Good news:
OSU! updated, yeah!

Bad news:
Multi OSU! is unavalible now
therefore hard to boardcast
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
@^: No need to worry about that, I guess. Just wait about two weeks.
(So that was why...)
matthewhln

lepidopodus wrote:

@^: No need to worry about that, I guess. Just wait about two weeks.
(So that was why...)
I am sure peppy was doing this on purpose
so it will not be "fixed" :o

Edit: Instead, we may ask peppy to do a client program for boardcast only
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Hehe, I don't worry about it if I get it all right.
matthewhln

lepidopodus wrote:

Hehe, I don't worry about it if I get it all right.
but seems I need to worry about it lol

Still, this is testing result of boardcasting 6 osu!(pervious version) running:
http://www.justin.tv/matthewhln/b/282480700

Conclution: Sound is kind of weird due the network speed, I need to low down the quality much to keep this smooth
Pheon
Maybe I could help out with broadcasting some matches -although I'm a player myself and probably not available 24/7-, my internet tends to be good but I need to test this. I'll need assistance on how to do it then, too, though. :/.
arien666
Well... There are some volunteers for streaming I guess ;_;
[Thanks ;_;]

And sorry for no available to test streaming since my monitor has broken 1/3 orz
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Check the badge in 1st post guys, do you like it?
Noobita
it's nice but why only a don? :o this is racism
marshallracer

Noobita wrote:

it's nice but why only a don? :o this is racism
^this

also, only a badge for the first place?
well, however ... waiting takes too long for me, and i'm not even at home from 5th till 13th (what means not enough time to practise ...)
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Maybe I set registration period too long? I'm not sure cause some teams are still gathering their members.

Anyway I can't change the time for now, it's too sudden. Currently I guess the first match will be held in April 15th or 16th.
Sander-Don
no one likes katsu..... sexy badge though
wmfchris

Sander-Don wrote:

no one likes katsu..... sexy badge though
/me clicks the "Like" button
MMzz

Sander-Don wrote:

no one likes katsu..... sexy badge though
I do ;__;
Yuzeyun

lepidopodus wrote:

Maybe I set registration period too long? I'm not sure cause some teams are still gathering their members.

Anyway I can't change the time for now, it's too sudden. Currently I guess the first match will be held in April 15th or 16th.

/me hopes that France won't participate this day

On 15th I'm in class
On 16th I'm in a party
orz
Sander-Don

MMzz wrote:

I do ;__;
Zekira

Sander-Don wrote:

no one likes katsu..... sexy badge though
If only saying 'fuck you' didn't weigh so much...
OnosakiHito
I like don more.

*RUNS AWAY*
Zekira
It's OK to like one better than the other

But to say that no one likes Katsu, or to say that no one likes Don, is just orz... >_>
crystalsuicune
It's more like my fault,actually.
I was in a hurry,so I couldn't find enough time
to grab a Katsu piccer for the badge.

Sorry guys,I'll see if I can make a Katsu version once I get the
katsu pic I need
OnosakiHito
*come back*

You cheat don! Treator!

*RUNS AWAY*


No jk, for now I think it's okay. But I'm sure the other will be also cool. Good Job.^^
Edit: @lepidopodus: It's better to have a longer 'registration time limit'. Means more players and you can pratice few day's more for it.
And the important thing is you have a longer time to see when do you have time; can you play in this time line.
Short registration time = too spontaneously, I guess?

Atm bad english, sorry. = ="
Zekira

crystalsuicune wrote:

It's more like my fault,actually.
I was in a hurry,so I couldn't find enough time
to grab a Katsu piccer for the badge.

Sorry guys,I'll see if I can make a Katsu version once I get the
katsu pic I need
You... do know that Noobita was probably kidding, right? Lol
Noobita
yeah i was kidding, don't take me seriously :D i really don't care about it
crystalsuicune

Zekira wrote:

crystalsuicune wrote:

It's more like my fault,actually.
I was in a hurry,so I couldn't find enough time
to grab a Katsu piccer for the badge.

Sorry guys,I'll see if I can make a Katsu version once I get the
katsu pic I need
You... do know that Noobita was probably kidding, right? Lol
Yeah,I know.
Still,just in case,guys.
(Katsu may be playing second fiddle,but he's still one of the mascots,so...)
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Kat will be a mascot of #2 Taiko World Cup, so never worries guys, lol
Zekira
Shimedore2000 would be worth as a song for the final round

I'll get it mapped before next week (don't have time to map it yet, but I call dibs on it)
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Shimedore? Well I'll consider about it.

Anyway currently it's 17 team. Groups for robin-round tornament will be 5/4/4/4, I guess.
OzzyOzrock
Backfire quit playing. He apparently thinks he's treated badly. (and probably is ;_;)

So yes... uh... much as it pains me to bend the rules... and... hurts me to... not invite in the back-up or back-back-up...


I've been recommended to invite Super_Banana to the team. If he can't join, I'll go hardcore searching for someone else.
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
For adding back-ups, you can add them until the tournament starts, maybe till 15th or 16h, but I recommend you to be hurry.

Uh, Super_Banana is canadian, hmm, Whatever. We don't have that much time, so...
anongos

OzzyOzrock wrote:

Backfire quit playing. He apparently thinks he's treated badly. (and probably is ;_;)

So yes... uh... much as it pains me to bend the rules... and... hurts me to... not invite in the back-up or back-back-up...


I've been recommended to invite Super_Banana to the team. If he can't join, I'll go hardcore searching for someone else.
Quit? As in quitting Osu! or just this tournament?
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Ok, currently choosing maps for 1st round. I sent list to staffs and someone said it's pretty hard, muhahahaha!
Sander-Don
inb4 jyoubutsu nisen
OzzyOzrock
As predicted, Backfire is back.

So.. re-add him, please.
MMzz

Sander-Don wrote:

inb4 jyoubutsu nisen
isweartogod
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Ok, the captain of Team Brazil-Chile is now Hyguys.

So we have 17 teams, hmm. Round 1 will be robin-round tornament. Teams will be grouped into 4 groups, and 5 teams will get some disadvantage in round 1 and that's inevitable. Well, grouping the team will be completely random so it would be right time to test your luck.
anongos

lepidopodus wrote:

Ok, the captain of Team Brazil-Chile is now Hyguys.

So we have 17 teams, hmm. Round 1 will be robin-round tornament. Teams will be grouped into 4 groups, and 5 teams will get some disadvantage in round 1 and that's inevitable. Well, grouping the team will be completely random so it would be right time to test your luck.
When is 1st round again?
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Round 1-1 will be about April 15th~18th. Overall Round 1 will be last for 3 weeks, I assume.
wmfchris
but the team with 5 groups needs 10 matches lol
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
@^: That's what exactly I worried about. *sigh*
heintsi
sorry, gotta resign from tournament.
My laptop doesnt seem to like taiko at all(well that has been known for long time) it just lags way too often.
For example when big don appears my laptop goes LOLYOUARENTGONNAHITIT(screen freezes for 2 secs)
Good luck everyone.
After all, i was practically forced to join this tournament! :D
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
I see, I don't want to force something.

Team Finland and Japan has 3 players so it's still ok to participate the tournament, but it's strongly advised to find appropriate back-up player until the tournament starts(maybe 15th or 16th), cause this tournament will last for for about 7 weeks. After the tournament starts, you can't change the players no matter what.
anongos
Ummm.... I'm still a little bit confused about how back-up exactly works in this.
OzzyOzrock
If one is absent, back-up shines?
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
To be honest, whether a player is a back-up or not is not that important. If 3 among 4 players in the team are present, that's completely fine.
anongos

lepidopodus wrote:

To be honest, whether a player is a back-up or not is not that important. If 3 among 4 players in the team are present, that's completely fine.
Oh, OK. It's because the way rule 10 and 10-1 is worded. Makes me think that all four of us have to always be on time, otherwise we forfeit.
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Fixed Rule 10 slighty. Could cause confusion to use the word 'whole team'.

EDIT:
Modified registration period slighty by a few hours. Well I guess everyone is already registered, though.
Group drawing will be right after closing of registration. Will be done by using certain program that I found from Korean web, so just a click will decide everthing.

EDIT2:
...without considering continent. That would be better except for setting timetable lol
MMzz
whats with the maps, why are there osu! maps. Should be taiko ones only. :/
omegaflo

Wtfisthis i dont even o.o

Well, Gl HF =D


Btw, Why osu standard maps on a taiko tournament ? :( they're so many offical maps on TnT...
matthewhln

MMzz wrote:

whats with the maps, why are there osu! maps. Should be taiko ones only. :/
different map testing player different abilities, even osu! maps
also, taiko oni is too hard for Robin-round stage
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
I'll check usage of those maps and apply them to map list for next week. That means, if players don't use standard maps, I'll put much less standard maps in the next phase.
MMzz
Kamui Gakupo, KAITO, Kagamine Len - IMITATION BLACK (Shinxyn) [Insane]

This map is pretty badly timed. Maybe you should reconsider xD
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
I'll discuss with staff about that. (Bad timing in Ranked map, hmm...)
matthewhln
Nico Nico Douga - Kamijo-san & Biribiri at The Skyhigh (KIA) [Taiko Oni]
^
|
HUGE DIFFICULT GAP
|
v
Taiko no Tatsujin - Kimi no Akari (aquabluu) [Oni]

I LOLed

PS: I played all map and found that some are too difficult and some are too boring lol
Quite not consistent
Roga-don
WTF I didn't notice this tournament :o
Well, I'll be waiting for the next one :cry:
Orkel
I can take Heintsi's place in the tournament so Finland has a full team.
Mara
^ I'm totally okay with this. Pallero can be back-up again.
OnosakiHito
+1 for matthewhln

Some maps are too boring.
And other maps have a wrong timing/offset or are too hard as other maps. orz
Honestly, sorry.

The maps are more acc oriented.
Yowane _ Haku
Korea B vs Japan: April 17th 11:00 UTC (20:00 in UTC+9)

coooooooool B
Noobita
Please know that this map list is trying to fit both experts and novices, if you find maps that you don't like or are boring.. just don't pick them (less chance you'll be playing them).
I do agree on the badly timed maps and etc but im sure it will be fixed and we'll discuss about it...
Anyway, good luck to everyone ^_^
Topic Starter
lepidopodus
Broad difficulty spread is what I mean. I divided mappool by 7 difficulty groups and only 'Very Hard' group was excluded for round 1.
Of course, this will be fixed following usage of the maps.

About timing, those are ranked ones so I though it's ok. If you think anything wrong about timing, please post here or PM me. I'll ask to some experts to confirm it. (Mainly Alace, as he is a staff.)

EDIT:
Nico Nico Douga - Kamijo-san & Biribiri at The Skyhigh (KIA) [Taiko Oni] <-- I guess this thing was underestimated lol

EDIT2:
Kamui Gakupo, KAITO, Kagamine Len - IMITATION BLACK (Shinxyn) [Insane] <-- will remain in map list for now.

You guys should blame me if you don't like that map list.
wmfchris
Tournament Instructions
The 1st round of the tournament will be robin-round stage. There will be 4 groups and each groups have 4~5 teams. Your team will play every other teams once, and the team achieved #1 or #2 in their group will be ascended to the next round. Ranking of teams will be decided by certain standards:
 1. More matches won.
 2. Have bigger {(the number of games won) - (the number of games defeated)}.
 3. More games won.
 4. Have bigger ∑{(total score difference) / (maximum score)}.
 5. Winner of the rematch.
第一輪為分組賽,每組均有4~5隊,賽事採用單循環制,頭兩名者出線。
排名準則如下:
1) 勝出較多場次。
2) (勝出局數-落敗局數) 較高者。
3) 勝出局數較高者
4) 累積每局(分數/滿分) 較高者。
5) 重賽勝出者。

Other stages will be Knockout stage. If your team wins the match, your team will be ascended to the next round immediately. but if you lose your match, your team will be knocked out from the tournament.

Usually you will have a match per a week, but in the 1st round you may have two matches in certain week if your group consists of 5 teams.
除第一輪外其他對賽為淘汰賽,即勝方晉級,敗者出局。
正常來說比賽會每週一賽,在5隊一組的情況下有必要時會一週雙賽。

Timetable
IMPORTANT: If you want to change the time, contact to the captain of the opponent team and make agreement between both captains first, then notify manager by PM or post here. If you have any troubles with contacting them, tell manager for some help.

 Group A
   Philippines vs China: April 16th 12:00 UTC (20:00 UTC+8)
   Malaysia vs Italy-Netherlands: April 16th 13:00 UTC (14:00 UTC+1, 21:00 UTC+8)
   China vs Malaysia: April 17th 12:00 UTC (20:00 UTC+8)
   Philippines vs Germany A: April 17th 13:00 UTC (14:00 UTC+1, 21:00 UTC+8)

 Group B
   Taiwan vs France: April 16th 14:00 UTC (15:00 UTC+1, 22:00 UTC+8)
   United Kingdom vs Korea A: April 17th 14:00 UTC (23:00 UTC+9)

 Group C
   Poland vs Hong Kong: April 16th 11:00 UTC (12:00 UTC+1, 19:00 UTC+8)
   United States vs Brazil-Chile: April 16th 23:00 UTC (15:00~18:00 UTC-8~-5, 20:00 UTC-3)

 Group D
   Finland vs Germany B: April 16th 17:00 (18:00 in UTC+1, 19:00 in UTC+2)
   Korea B vs Japan: April 17th 11:00 UTC (20:00 in UTC+9)
在雙方隊長均同意的情況下,其中一方可以留帖或PM比賽總管聯絡並更改作賽時間。如有任何問題亦可聯絡比賽總管。

以下時間以GMT+8為準, 即北京-香港時區
A組
16/4
20:00 菲律賓 VS 中國
21:00 馬來西亞 VS 意大利-荷蘭
17/4
20:00 中國 VS 馬來西亞
21:00 菲律賓 VS 德國A隊

B組
16/4
22:00 台灣 VS 法國
17/4
23:00 英國 VS 韓國A隊

C組
16/4
19:00 波蘭 VS 香港
17/4
7:00 美國 VS 巴西-智魯

D組
17/4
1:00 芬蘭 VS 德國B隊
20:00 韓國B隊 VS 日本

中文版規則
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Zekira
Shit

There are non-Taiko maps on the list

Shit

D:
RockeDon

Zekira wrote:

Shit

There are non-Taiko maps on the list

Shit

D:
yeah shit :'(
arien666

Zekira wrote:

Shit

There are non-Taiko maps on the list

Shit

D:
inb4, TaikOsu<<<
/me orz
Zekira
Wait

 Group A
  Image Philippines vs Image China: April 16th 12:00 UTC (20:00 UTC+8)
  Image Malaysia vs Image Italy-Netherlands: April 16th 13:00 UTC (14:00 UTC+1, 21:00 UTC+8)
  Image China vs Image Malaysia: April 17th 12:00 UTC (20:00 UTC+8)
  Image Philippines vs Image Germany A: April 17th 13:00 UTC (14:00 UTC+1, 21:00 UTC+8)
Philippines, Malaysia, and China will play 2 times while Italy-Netherlands and Germany A will only play one time. How will the decision for the positioning be here? I'm just confused since the number of games played aren't equal
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