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@abraker
Remember when you said that they should make a thread about the NSFW issue?
It is already out now. Wanna share your views on this subject matter?
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/860531?start=unread
Remember when you said that they should make a thread about the NSFW issue?
It is already out now. Wanna share your views on this subject matter?
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/860531?start=unread
i seriously dont see exactly how i was immature thereEndaris wrote:
Wow, lol.
You would think BD would have grown up at some point but then he pulls stuff like that.
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The other issue was regarding use of historical artwork featuring nudity. As I was building the case, there were a couple things standing in the way of proving that bg was indeed acceptable, primarily proof of instances where such works of art is allowable in public display. I pm'd the mapper regarding building a case for it, with open ends to fill in the blanks of proving it, but the mapper never replied back. I checked the map and the mapper changed the bg, so I don't think there will be any support to change the rule in that regard anytime soon.Aiseca wrote:
@abraker
Remember when you said that they should make a thread about the NSFW issue?
It is already out now. Wanna share your views on this subject matter?
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/860531?start=unread
He might've just been confused and was meaning to talk about how Pasonia was acting. I was also questioning what Endaris said lolMismagius wrote:
i seriously dont see exactly how i was immature thereEndaris wrote:
Wow, lol.
You would think BD would have grown up at some point but then he pulls stuff like that.
But about the rules written as currently, do you have any thoughts to say on that?
Despacito BG pass through, but Net0 BG was heavily flamed...
Both tiddies, only the number differs
Despacito BG pass through, but Net0 BG was heavily flamed...
Both tiddies, only the number differs
either way for archival purposes this tweet explains pretty much what happened https://twitter.com/MismagiusBD/status/1088898723290206208
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Reading through it. Might give my thoughts later since I need to be somewhereAiseca wrote:
But about the rules written as currently, do you have any thoughts to say on that?
Despacito BG pass through, but Net0 BG was heavily flamed...
Both tiddies, only the number differs
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Before I go, here is a sample of what I suggested in the pm:
This is a long way shorter than the huge list of examples the muscle bird is proposing in the proposed ranking criteria change. See if you can shoot some bullets at this meanwhile.
I propose to reword the rule to clarify what is considered "obscene" and resolve the contradiction. The following is a simplified version of the Miller Test altered to include violence and drug use. All three conditions have to be satisfied for something be considered obscene:[/quote]The new rule would remove "This includes nudity, near-nudity, sexual references, violence, drug abuse, etc. Keep things PG (suitable for ages 12+)" and instead better define what is considered obscene:
- It can be argued that that the work, taken as a whole, encourages or promotes sexual, violent, or drug related interests
- The work depicts or describes ideas/concepts in an offensive manner
- The work, taken as a whole, lacks literary, artistic, political, or scientific value
There must not be any obscene imagery in the background/storyboard/video content. Images should be on a level that can be displayed on all-audience TV, on public signage, and of nature that does not require censoring in any country. Imagery is considered obscene if all of the following three are true:
- The work, taken as a whole, encourages or promotes sexual, violent, or drug related interests
- The work depicts or describes ideas/concepts in an offensive manner
- The work, taken as a whole, lacks literary, artistic, political, or scientific value
This is a long way shorter than the huge list of examples the muscle bird is proposing in the proposed ranking criteria change. See if you can shoot some bullets at this meanwhile.
If Ephemeral's proposal passes through, this will send a very huge change on the current written rules and possibly break the trends that was happening connected by this issue.
Also, I can see most people would oppose this (you know because: Loli and edgy reasons)
Also, I can see most people would oppose this (you know because: Loli and edgy reasons)
This is by far the most petty and pathetic drama in this thread. Eph, you stick in the mud.
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Penguin wrote:
wrong link, sorryabraker wrote:
> page 19
> is modding v2
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/67968/start=270
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while not drama enough, still funny tho
Mismagius wrote:
Endaris wrote:
Wow, lol.
You would think BD would have grown up at some point but then he pulls stuff like that.
i seriously dont see exactly how i was immature there
You're baiting drama for no particular reason.
Or how should one understand these bits?
You're not trying to help anything or anyone with what you're doing from what I can see. What is the purpose other than your private amusement and if there is any do you really think that this was the correct way to handle it?
i don't see how simple banter with someone who was insulting the entire community while being a gianf hypocrite is being immature :p
you're taking this too seriously, i think that is an immature thing. so far you're the only person in like 1 thousand who've seen the argument and thought that i was at fault or being immature here. maybe it's some bias from past times? who knows!
either way, this ia a thread to talk about other drama, not create more. if you have any issues with my attitude you're free to PM me, no need to take passive aggressive calls about my past behavior!
you're taking this too seriously, i think that is an immature thing. so far you're the only person in like 1 thousand who've seen the argument and thought that i was at fault or being immature here. maybe it's some bias from past times? who knows!
either way, this ia a thread to talk about other drama, not create more. if you have any issues with my attitude you're free to PM me, no need to take passive aggressive calls about my past behavior!
uc osmething something anime tiddies something bn kicked osmething..
Mismagius wrote:
......
either way, this ia a thread to talk about other drama, not create more.....
He is correct on this.
If you want to talk about that particular topic, please do not continue it here.
I am just observing your conversations on these past days hoping that this issue won't be made longer particularly at this thread.
EDIT: Ashton, please don't spit garbage here. Do it somewhere else.
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/862261
Raiden’s fallout with the mapping higher-ups like Eph over proposed QAT changes
(Also this is my favorite OT thread)
Raiden’s fallout with the mapping higher-ups like Eph over proposed QAT changes
(Also this is my favorite OT thread)
EDIT: Not a drama really, just some "interesting" sight to see
Modding V2 2019 people....
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/919719/discussion/-/generalAll#/843100
Modding V2 2019 people....
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/919719/discussion/-/generalAll#/843100
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I found this more amusing
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https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/905621/discussion/1890144/general#/885005 - BNs claim map is made for pp gains and the expense of lacking representation of music.
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https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/936435/discussion/-/generalAll#/886740 - Marathon diff has name related to mapper. Debates ensue whether this can be allowed.
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Drama regarding an inappropriate background which is unrelated to the song
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/935111/discussion/-/generalAll#/910539
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/935111/discussion/-/generalAll#/910539
holy fuck that's actually terrifyingly funnyabraker wrote:
Drama regarding an inappropriate background which is unrelated to the song
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/935111/discussion/-/generalAll#/910539
Lol kinda funny there lots lewder pic out there that got pass in ranking and sotark's map bg is a nono
I've never found such a funny thread
Ill be following this for sure lmao
Ill be following this for sure lmao
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Mapper ends a note at the end to ensure the map has a minimum drain time of 0:30 seconds as required by ranking criteria. Oppositions to this ensue.
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/885878/discussion/-/generalAll#/889682
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/885878/discussion/-/generalAll#/889682
Someone linked this to me, i don't even know
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/763607/discussion/1732926/general#/929734
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/763607/discussion/1732926/general#/929734
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I am convinced that Haruki is the antagonist in this season's mapping drama anime
ily haruki
Four months without dramas? My popcorn is gonna expire soon!
There have been some. Let me update you on some with an edit just a sec.
Edit: here’s one https://osu.ppy.sh/s/928457
And another: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/918334/discussion/-/generalAll/pending
Edit: here’s one https://osu.ppy.sh/s/928457
And another: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/918334/discussion/-/generalAll/pending
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Ayy finally something! Added
hahahhahahah
You motherfuckers have nothing better to do lol
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https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/923321/discussion/1928135/general#/1300590 - BN claim sections of the map containing minijacks are diff spikes and need to be changed. Mapper affirms stance on pattern.
I wonder what the true meanibg of difficult cuz some pattern maybe difficult for other and easy for the rest.
play bias
levesterz wrote:
Lol thisdicussionthread
Ah yes, the discussion is truly a sight to see
omg am i popular now?????
Unpredictable wrote:
omg am i popular now?????
No, not enough oil.
Endaris wrote:
Unpredictable wrote:
omg am i popular now?????
No, not enoughoillube.
Just like you last night
Blitzfrog wrote:
Endaris wrote:
Unpredictable wrote:
omg am i popular now?????
No, not enoughoillube.
Just like you last night
damn, sounds hot
Unpredictable wrote:
Blitzfrog wrote:
Endaris wrote:
Unpredictable wrote:
omg am i popular now?????
No, not enoughoillube.
Just like you last night
damn, sotarks hot
KatouMegumi wrote:
Unpredictable wrote:
Blitzfrog wrote:
Endaris wrote:
Unpredictable wrote:
omg am i popular now?????
No, not enoughoillube.
Just like you last night
damn, sotarks hot
I thought Sotarks was pretty warm tbh
if you map for pp you should kys
ColdTooth wrote:
if you map for pp you should kys
What if you got big pp?
my pp comes from high quality, and not maps like chicken hair or ok dad
abraker wrote:
Mapper ends a note at the end to ensure the map has a minimum drain time of 0:30 seconds as required by ranking criteria. Oppositions to this ensue.
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/885878/discussion/-/generalAll#/889682
oh that's funny, i've played this map! it's ranked now >w<
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not intense drama, but still somewhat drama and very relevant
ColdTooth wrote:
if you map for pp you should kys
couldn't agree more to this sentence.
I think you should add this too:
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/740752/discussion/-/generalAll#/178643
Kisses reported the map, which was qualified at that time, using the meme song that's not "suitable content for the game at all".
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/740752/discussion/-/generalAll#/178643
Kisses reported the map, which was qualified at that time, using the meme song that's not "suitable content for the game at all".
uhh this map is already on the list so why add it twice?
Castagne wrote:
uhh this map is already on the list so why add it twice?
maybe i skipped them
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new entry in a while!
beatmapsets/897884/discussion/-/generalAll#/1514685 - Map vetoed for underhitsounded section. Mapper refuses to add hitsounds and modders can't reach consenus. Mediation is triggered and veto upheld with questionable reasoning.
beatmapsets/897884/discussion/-/generalAll#/1514685 - Map vetoed for underhitsounded section. Mapper refuses to add hitsounds and modders can't reach consenus. Mediation is triggered and veto upheld with questionable reasoning.
Under hit sound is better than over hitsound
Even better is no hitsound at all.
Even better is no hitsound at all.
Which lead to the question define enough hitsound
Another drama guys!
beatmapsets/934576/discussion/-/generalAll#/1577482
Map being veto'd for having diffname of "Mama Mia!". Some say it's related to the song, some don't.
beatmapsets/934576/discussion/-/generalAll#/1577482
Map being veto'd for having diffname of "Mama Mia!". Some say it's related to the song, some don't.
So we're fucking vetoing over a fucking difficulty name that is legit with the song?
Well there goes every single one of my maps, now and into the future. Looks like Critical Hit is never going to get fucking ranked. /shrug
Well there goes every single one of my maps, now and into the future. Looks like Critical Hit is never going to get fucking ranked. /shrug
I'd be extremely surprised if they didn't allow the top diff of your map to be called "Critical Hit!" on a song called "Critical Hit"ColdTooth wrote:
So we're fucking vetoing over a fucking difficulty name that is legit with the song?
Well there goes every single one of my maps, now and into the future. Looks like Critical Hit is never going to get fucking ranked. /shrug
I haven't been active in the mapping scene for a while, so I don't know if they've massively changed any of the rules, but if it's the same as before then you'll be fine.
I mean, I'd be surprised too, and I'd ultimately quit mapping tbh. This nonsensical bullshit of BNs disagreeing with one small little thing when everything else is perfectly fine, and then vetoing over it is literally fucking stupid.Penguin wrote:
I'd be extremely surprised if they didn't allow the top diff of your map to be called "Critical Hit!" on a song called "Critical Hit"ColdTooth wrote:
So we're fucking vetoing over a fucking difficulty name that is legit with the song?
Well there goes every single one of my maps, now and into the future. Looks like Critical Hit is never going to get fucking ranked. /shrug
I haven't been active in the mapping scene for a while, so I don't know if they've massively changed any of the rules, but if it's the same as before then you'll be fine.
God knows what happens if I end up finishing the 2 hour map project.
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Std ranking process is a circus holy shit
are people really that sensitive over DIFF NAMES? first it was a background of 3 big tiddied girls, now maps get disqualified because of A FUCKING DIFF NAME? like what?
the background one makes senseMinNin wrote:
are people really that sensitive over DIFF NAMES? first it was a background of 3 big tiddied girls, now maps get disqualified because of A FUCKING DIFF NAME? like what?
but a fucking difficulty name? if it's really not relevant then yeah, but if it's atleast recognizable then like bruh moment
Thankfully it looks like a lot of BNs are disagreeing with them.
Being this bothered by a diffname is kind of ridiculous. It does nothing to deter the quality of the map and was even proven to have some resemblance to the song.
I honestly believe a diffname can be whatever the fuck it wants to be as long as it isnt breaking any rule. Its the top diff of a set, it is allowed to have a custom name. It gives the mapper creative liberty that, again, doesn’t do anything to the quality of the map.
They should decide to stop the mediation so the set can get on its way, but regardless of all of the negative output they have received, they wish to still continue with the mediation?? At this point they are just trying to waste the mappers time, as well as all of the people who have to sift through the entire shitwad of a conversation to give their vote on the veto mediation.
Being this bothered by a diffname is kind of ridiculous. It does nothing to deter the quality of the map and was even proven to have some resemblance to the song.
I honestly believe a diffname can be whatever the fuck it wants to be as long as it isnt breaking any rule. Its the top diff of a set, it is allowed to have a custom name. It gives the mapper creative liberty that, again, doesn’t do anything to the quality of the map.
They should decide to stop the mediation so the set can get on its way, but regardless of all of the negative output they have received, they wish to still continue with the mediation?? At this point they are just trying to waste the mappers time, as well as all of the people who have to sift through the entire shitwad of a conversation to give their vote on the veto mediation.
What's next? Making a drama because of the anime girl in the BG has 3 ponytails instead of 2?
On the same topic but not really, beatmapsets/1015663/discussion/-/generalAll#/1477100 - Map's nomination got reset for overmapping, including the excess usage of LN, quad, and jack according to BNs. Mapper refuses to to fix, stating that the BNs don't understand the map's concept.
I don't think we can.Reforms Expert wrote:
Leave me alone
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I am so disappointed it was Unpredictable who took down that map. And there I thought there is hope he wouldnt get corrupted by the cult.
heeey pls don't clump BN's who veto over serious quality issues with BN's who veto over a diffname. They are completely different and the veto system is important to insure we have some quality assurance.abraker wrote:
I am so disappointed it was Unpredictable who took down that map. And there I thought there is hope he wouldnt get corrupted by the cult.
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I'm sure there are BN who do good at time and same BN who do bad at times. It's the bad we remember more of unfortunately.
yeah but the problem is, sotarks can get a map of big tiddied anime girls ranked AFTER the controversy, and if it were 3 dudes in speedos instead of 3 girls in swimsuits, i bet none of the bns would actually notice and it'd get ranked soon enough. no shade on sotarks, but it's a double standardColdTooth wrote:
the background one makes sense
Three dudes in speedos?
Mmmm
Bulge fanservice!
Mmmm
Bulge fanservice!
i mean i'm not gay but it'd be pretty hot no homoAshton wrote:
Three dudes in speedos?
Mmmm
Bulge fanservice!
I'm not gay either and I find it hot asf!MinNin wrote:
i mean i'm not gay but it'd be pretty hot no homoAshton wrote:
Three dudes in speedos?
Mmmm
Bulge fanservice!
The veto has been dismissed and the map is moving forward with the ranking section. I'm glad it wasn't drawn out long, but disappointed it happened in the first place.
oh my fucking god man this is goldHydreigon wrote:
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Ranking Criteria has a lot of things yet to be abused. Tho it requires effort to abuse them, so good luck.
Also kinda feels ranked is getting to the point its obvious it will be in eternal state of turmoil so long as there are people involved with choosing which maps get to ranked and which dont. People have been fixing issues with ranked since the MAT. You would think 10 years is enough time to figure out how to make something that cant be abused. Making systems requiring people's trust will eventually fail. What's most disappointing is that it's considered a working system. I consider it a barely working system if you need to change role structure every 2-3 years or introduce regular fixes to prevent people from abusing their privilege.
Also kinda feels ranked is getting to the point its obvious it will be in eternal state of turmoil so long as there are people involved with choosing which maps get to ranked and which dont. People have been fixing issues with ranked since the MAT. You would think 10 years is enough time to figure out how to make something that cant be abused. Making systems requiring people's trust will eventually fail. What's most disappointing is that it's considered a working system. I consider it a barely working system if you need to change role structure every 2-3 years or introduce regular fixes to prevent people from abusing their privilege.
Can you stop preaching that bullshit abraker?
No system that is not run by people is going to fix the ‘constant turmoil’ or whatever... its actually not a problem in standard mode anymore and the system works fairly well. If anything its a mania exclusive problem. Because you seem to be one of the very few people complaining about lack of variety in ranked section.
There are only a few instances where bns/nat make stupid decisions which cause a big ruckus but because of things like veto mediation they usually don’t make it through anyways.
I dont want to have another 3 hour long conversation with you because you can never seem to get it. Weren’t you working on making that proposal for a new catagory? Work on that instead of shitting on a system that you don’t like yet not offering any other viable alternative.
No system that is not run by people is going to fix the ‘constant turmoil’ or whatever... its actually not a problem in standard mode anymore and the system works fairly well. If anything its a mania exclusive problem. Because you seem to be one of the very few people complaining about lack of variety in ranked section.
There are only a few instances where bns/nat make stupid decisions which cause a big ruckus but because of things like veto mediation they usually don’t make it through anyways.
I dont want to have another 3 hour long conversation with you because you can never seem to get it. Weren’t you working on making that proposal for a new catagory? Work on that instead of shitting on a system that you don’t like yet not offering any other viable alternative.
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Yea you can defend ranked all you want. However you cant deny that that there is still ongoing effort to prevent abuse. Recent effort to fix veto abuse is one example. Last restructure was when QAT got changed to NAT. I bet ranked roles will go through another restructuring in about a year and a half.
honestly i kind of don't really care at this point. the mapping and player community are really divided on certain things imoabraker wrote:
Yea you can defend ranked all you want. However you cant deny that that there is still ongoing effort to prevent abuse. Recent effort to fix veto abuse is one example. Last restructure was when QAT got changed to NAT. I bet ranked roles will go through another restructuring in about a year and a half.
The ranked system will always be changing and improvements will always be made. You keep blaming it and calling it bad but you have not once suggested a viable alternative.abraker wrote:
Yea you can defend ranked all you want. However you cant deny that that there is still ongoing effort to prevent abuse. Recent effort to fix veto abuse is one example. Last restructure was when QAT got changed to NAT. I bet ranked roles will go through another restructuring in about a year and a half.
The fundamental ranking process will never change and has never changed. Yes, teams got restructured, roles got mismatched, and vetos got reworked. But your map will always need real people to push it forward and there will always be the option for real people to keep it back. This has been the case since the creation of osu! (One could argue the early years didn't have vetos and almost any map was pushed forward but that is no longer relevant...). If anything, small changes will occur, but your problem with the system will never be fixed no matter how many changes it goes through.
The people in charge of ranking maps are not paid. Nobody is entitled to BN's. This will never change for as long as the ranking process exists. The only option to 'fix' this is to move to an automated system. Which already has several issues. And it's never going to happen.
The 'issue' of there not being enough variety in ranked mania maps is one that can not be solved with a system reform. I have said this dozens of times yet you keep on acting as if it is an issue caused by the system. That isn't the case. It's an 'issue' that is the result of the low population of mania mappers and modders. If you want to push your 'interesting' and 'unique' maps forward then stop complaining and (like I said before...) become a mania BN yourself or push forward your own maps. Help the community by modding a ton.
If you aren't motivated to do it, then who else do you have to blame besides you? Nobody.
soon...Ashton wrote:
No system that is not run by people is going to fix the ‘constant turmoil’ or whatever
I also have to agree with Ashton, since this game requires users to make it's content, those users have the ability to shape the content to what they desire. If abraker wants different kinds of content, then abraker needs to push and approve of content that he wants.
Until a self-taught viable AI is produced, we rely on user manpower and their desires.
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Ashton, you are arguing that ranked must continue as it is because things like having maps checked for ranked is necessary. It is indeed necessary for ranked that maps continue to be checked. I don't think it would be ranked otherwise. You are describing ranked as a functional system, which it is for what it is. If it's considered normal that there is a restructuring every certain time period, then ranked can also be considered functioning properly.
Tho I'll admit it's hard to make a suggestion for a alternative system in which people don't actively making decisions. It's harder to understand how that can work and not break. So I wouldn't expect a formal suggestion until I have evidence that it can work. I can give an informal one if anyone is curious tho.
@q9za you don't need AI to figure out which maps are good or not. You can take advantage of community's passive behavior to do that instead.
Tho I'll admit it's hard to make a suggestion for a alternative system in which people don't actively making decisions. It's harder to understand how that can work and not break. So I wouldn't expect a formal suggestion until I have evidence that it can work. I can give an informal one if anyone is curious tho.
@q9za you don't need AI to figure out which maps are good or not. You can take advantage of community's passive behavior to do that instead.
Finally you realize now that ranked is a functioning system and no amount of complaining will fix your own individual problem of not wanting to put effort into your maps to get them ranked. Thank you