Hailie wrote:

Alrighty I have return

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  Extra

1. 00:24:325 (5,1) - hmm possibly reduce the spacing some around here? I think for a less intense sections of the song I believe that the jumps is too high (even higher than some of the jumps in the kiai) - Since my intention on this is being symmetric with previous one and this difficulty is the hardest one on the mapset, so I'll keep it this way.
2. 00:49:904 (1,1,1,1) - Minor thing but I do find these NC sorta unnnessary comparing to the other NC spam which is more understandable and removing these wouldn't exactly ruin any form of emphasis right here as I think the NC make these notes stand out too much - fixed
3. 00:45:641 (9,10) - Would be cool to give more emphasis to (10) and (9) by not having them stack and move (9) to create a jump like most of all your patterns in here since this is the only time ya did something like this - I think it's better keeping this than make a jump there, so i just leave this
4. 00:53:693 (1,2,3,4) - this would flow better if you did not have the kickslider so close to the stream and have much more spaced out - fixed
5. 01:06:483 - Don't see the harm of adding a note right here 01:04:430 - since it beat here is pretty noticable for it not to be here but up to u - - I didn't set the streams to the drum sounds, I think i don't need to put a new note there

• 
  General

1. Source : should be jubeat saucer - fixed
   http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/jubeat_saucer/index.html
2. normal-sliderslide7.wav soft-hitnormal7.wav soft-sliderslide7.wav not sure about these hitsounds since it states that it must be 100ms length at least in rc (all 3 41ms)
   sorry to say but ya do have to replace them - removed
3. I can get behind the high od in this map but yea I do suggest hp 6.5 or hp 7 since hp 8 is a tad too high
   - The same for Muya's Another with using somewhere around 6 or 6.5 because even if you don't change above - i believe both difficulties shouldn't have the same hp and should be more balance for the spread - set extra 7, set another 6.5
4. Spread issues - I have to raise some concerns between the Hyper and Another
   I feel that the Another difficulty is quite too dense in general with its usages of a lot streams and jumps and that with the hyper in it current state with not much usage of jumps or 1/4 rhythm to really be a good transition. There is ways to come by this such as buffing Hyper or nerfing Another but the best solution is simple creating a lower insane difficulty that use not as many streams and jumps without needing to do neither of the other options - umm on this suggestion I think i need to get much more opinions because I think leveling of difficulty this much is not that a big issue (saw some maps these days having bigger difference on their mapset), and modders on this map by far had not mentioned about this issue
   

I would like to nominate this but my main issue is the spread and I would like to see how that is fix before going any further with modding this set sorry

EDIT: fix some grammar mistakes

Halfslashed wrote:

UC asked me for an opinion on the spread.

Niva's Hyper consists of somewhat long 1/2 chains separated by 1/1 gaps, occasional passive 1/4 with the rare 1/4 triple, meanwhile Muya's Another contains active 1/6, 17 note 1/4 streams, active 1/3, etc.

I think the best solution is to have an Insane difficulty between Niva and Muya's difficulties, with passive 1/6 and shorter chains of 1/4 (5-9 notes), along with friendlier handling of 1/3.

If you need a mod or anything by the way, feel free to contact me, I'd love to see this set ranked!

Zero__wind wrote:

Hype!!!!!

Hailie wrote:

Alrighty I have already modded the Extra and don't have any true problems with it (I will recheck this later in case I miss something tho) so moving on to the rest of the difficulties

• 
  Muya's Another

1. 00:10:431 (4,5,6) - maybe add a NC here to may help readability slightly and help the player understand more this is 1/3 or maybe slightly spaced it out more ( or make 00:05:378 (4) - more closed to the slider end of 00:05:062 (3) - each option works) - NC added
2. 00:23:378 (1) - Possibly spacing this out more than it is currently to give it more emphasis on the strong beat - seems kind of weak currently - I think it's better leave this because flow of notes now is better than take this apart from the following notes
3. 00:35:852 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - For some of these streams in this map (not pointing them all out) I feel that there should be more contrast in the intenseness of the music rather than just having the whole stream having the same spacing as if the music itself has it where all the beat is siginicantly strong which is defiantly not the case when I slow down the song or turning off the hitsounds - Since the reasonable sounds for stream exist and adding few more notes for making a stream is not that a crucial problem on the second highest diff, I think it's not a problem to get rid of some notes. (Actually it doesn't make the map boring and unreasonable either)
4. 01:13:062 (3,4) - fixed stack here (minor) - fixed
5. 01:17:694 (1,2) - maybe change the angle of (1) instead of just a straight line to help the flow a bit better around here (minor)

• 
  Hyper+

1. 00:15:009 (2,3,4) - the spacing between these is kind of low comparison to what ya just did before where the spacing larger 00:12:798 (3,4,5,6,1) - . imo I feel that the spacing on the first pattern should be reduce some more to be easier (or ya can spacing out the 2nd 1 out more - either is ok and it be more consistent) - set the slider bit lower
2. 00:23:219 (1,2) - there isn't a beat at 00:23:298 (2) - or anything really to support nor do I see any of the other difficulties (such as your Extra) have map this so it seems strange to do it on this difficulty so I suggest removing this note and just make 00:23:219 (1) - a jump instead (also 00:23:062 (5) - maybe reduce the spacing on this note while ya at it since I think it is a tad too high currently) - Removed 2nd note
3. 00:28:746 (3,4) - the jump right is significantly too large here for this part of the song and shouldn't be this emphasis - even in your top difficulty doesn't have this much spacing like this so please reduce the spacing around here - set the square notes lower and close to the following slider
4. 00:35:062 (2,3,4) - by now u should get the point about the jumps (this should be about it tho) - i don't know why i should make a jump here, i think that current position is good
5. 00:47:535 (1,1,1) - I get what ya trying to do but at the same time the spacing here is quite large in comparison to most of the map and I believe too hard for this difficulty - reducing it some would be best - set the 2nd, 3rd sliders much more close to each other
6. 00:49:904 (1) - I feel this spinner just doesn't really work very well for this part and don't see much of why didn't ya mapped this part instead - its just is very out of place and maybe doing something similar to at least maybe the another difficulty (00:49:904 (1,2,3) - ) where it has 2 circle + slider since even that follows this part more or anything than it is currently. - Removed, and make 2 notes and 1 long slider there
7. 00:52:114 (1,2,3,4,1) - can look more straight than currently - fixed
8. 01:01:904 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - possibly used maybe some repeating sliders here to red - felt the stream as it is currently is a bit too long compare to others and decreasing the difficulty would be helpful - As the third-highest diff between hard and insane+ (and this diff is close to the insane imo), i think that the only stream consists of 9 notes is not a big problem
9. 01:15:877 (5,6) - the spacing around here is sorta inconsistent so should fix it so they be evenly spaced out - fixed
10. 01:25:588 (3) - maybe possibly move this down some ~ just think it would make the pattern look better since right now it look slightly off - down 2 grids
11. 01:44:219 (1,2,3) - I feel that there should be more than that and that you should at least do more than just copy+paste the beginning and flipping it tbh - while both parts are very similar - there is some differences to intensity of some the rhythm around here and that you have shown that difference between this in the Extra so I don't see why not do so here instead - I feel the only difference here is type of sounds of the main melody, i made the line here based on the drum sound. In addition, i copied/pasted intentionally.
12. 01:52:746 (4) - fixed stack right here? (minor) - fixed
13. For the most part - it is pretty okay besides what has been said above (although I kind of think this difficulty can tone done some more on that 1/4 rhythm but it mostly alright) - As the main problem was the diff spread between hyper(hard) diff and another(between Insane~insane+) diff, i made an diff closed to the typical insane diff (even i put a lot of 1/4 returning sliders instead of pure streams). i think it would be better leaving this, not making it easier - could maybe get a bit more polish before calling me back for a recheck

• 
  Niva's Hyper

1. 00:34:667 (5,1) - minor but maybe straighten up this to flow a bit better around here https://puu.sh/zCnhj/ac8fd04661.png (of course adjusted the spacing) - I think it's better leave this because it was set on purpose by niva
2. 01:25:904 - tbh I felt this beat around here should be map since it pretty strong and it feel quite underemphasis around here to have a gap right here - 01:25:588 (1) - something simple like adding a repeat on 01:25:588 (1) - would help or something similar than keeping at it is currently would be cool
   01:30:641 (1) - 01:35:693 (1) - , etc same for these as well - added repeat

• 
  W h i t e 's Standard

1. 01:22:746 (1) - a new player needs more time to react to the notes after the spinner since currently due to the low ar and all - the note are appearing to fast while the spinner is going on and it can confused the new player - highly suggest using some alternative method like a long slider than sticking to this
   01:24:009 - also it would be better to have the start of the kiai at least clickable rather than having on the slider end :c - changed to 2 notes and 1 repeating slider, and removed the following 1 note

• 
  Beginner

1. 01:22:746 (1) - like to say the same thing about this spinner like the standard diff about removing it and doing something - also I feel that that 01:24:009 - to 01:24:956 - is much more significant and more important to map that down right leave it empty for the sake of a spinner - changed differently
   01:32:851 (1) - and here 00:51:167 (1) - same for here as well - [/color]
2. 01:28:114 (2,3) - even for a beginner I feel this is just too undermap and it could follow the music better - something like just changing to into a 1/2 slider would help- changed to two 1/2 sliders

• 
  General

1. Have the Hyper HP lower to somewhere around 5 or 5.5 for spread balance since right now it is the same as the Hyper+ - set to 5.5
2. 01:23:588 - minor but the prev point is unsnapped (don't believe it matter too much)- fixed

k that be it for me for the night ~ pretty tired - you may ask for a recheck once again after replying to the mod above and i'll give a more further look into it in case I missed something (especially for the low difficulties and extra but there really shouldn't be a problem tho) before I decide to nominate

forgive grammar mistakes - don't feel like going over it right now

Halfslashed wrote:

As requested, will be taking a look at the Hyper+

[Hyper+]
00:30:009 (2,3,4,5) - I suggest a rhythm like this to build into 00:30:641 (1) - more appropriately with the melody. Since there are '1/6' quadruple sounds, I think there is no reason to put 1/4 repeating slider and 1 note, so I leave this
00:31:272 (2) - This slider seems like an underwhelming way to lead in to the stream starting on 3, so I recommend either using two circles to rhythmically build into it or increasing spacing to and from this slider. I think current style is better because i don't feel any weird here and I want to make the slider symmetric to the following slider.
00:39:641 (1,4) - Since you decided to go with repeats here, try starting 1/3 repeats on 00:39:588 - and 00:40:219 - to follow the melody better. - fixed
00:46:746 (3,4) - I'd recommend using a rhythm like this or at least use some 1/3 repeats to differentiate this part from 00:46:114 (1,2) -. -fixed
01:29:062 (1) - I recommend changing this to a 3/4 slider + circle like you do with 01:29:535 (2,3) - to make 01:31:588 (1,2) - stand out better. - fixed

Not much else to say really. Good luck, let me know if you need anything else!

Muya wrote:

WHAT HAPPENED

1. 00:09:167 (4) - stack
2. 00:18:798 (6) - 저는 이렇게 거리를 벌려줄 이유가 00:18:641 (5) - 이후에 마땅한 배치를 찾지 못해 억지로 빼냈다 밖에 없다고 느껴졌고, 그게 곡을 잘 표현하고 있다던지 맵의 퀄리티를 올리고 있지는 않다고 생각합니다. 00:18:483 (4,5) - 의 간격과 통일하는 방법이나 00:18:798 (6) - ds를 조금이라도 더 줄이는 것을 제안합니다. - https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/ad7HpWH.jpg 00:18:956 (1) - 부터 간격이 넓어지는 형태로 만들면 여러가지 고려해서 충분히 설득력이 생긴다고 생각합니다.
3. 00:20:851 (1,2,3) - 처음 봤을 때 1/3박자에 부담을 느껴서 만들어진 소극적인 배치라는 생각이 들었습니다. 플레이적으로는 이렇게 ds를 좁게 해두는 편이 갑작스레 나타난 1/3박자를 리딩하는데 도움을 주겠지만, 저는 개인적으로 한 파트의 끝이며 그 만큼의 임팩트를 가지고 있는 곳이기 때문에 거리를 더 벌려 강조하지 않으면 안되는 곳이라 생각합니다.
4. 01:14:693 (4,5,6) - 곡의 분위기가 약해진 파트이면서 전후에 배치된 노트들에 비해 상대적으로 큰 ds값을 가지고 있기 때문에 줄여주는게 좋아보입니다.

Beomsan wrote:

via discord

[Hyper+]

1. 00:18:798 (6) - 저는 이렇게 거리를 벌려줄 이유가 00:18:641 (5) - 이후에 마땅한 배치를 찾지 못해 억지로 빼냈다 밖에 없다고 느껴졌고, 그게 곡을 잘 표현하고 있다던지 맵의 퀄리티를 올리고 있지는 않다고 생각합니다. 00:18:483 (4,5) - 의 간격과 통일하는 방법이나 00:18:798 (6) - ds를 조금이라도 더 줄이는 것을 제안합니다. - https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/ad7HpWH.jpg 00:18:956 (1) - 부터 간격이 넓어지는 형태로 만들면 여러가지 고려해서 충분히 설득력이 생긴다고 생각합니다. - 제 생각에는 평범한 인세인 난이도에서 그 다음 나오는 노트에 가까워짐으로써 난이도를 낮추는 효과도 있고 제가 보기엔 나쁘지 않은 배치같아서 그냥 놔두겠습니다!

맵이 정말 예쁘네요
good luck!

Niva wrote:

Oh, it's back! o.o

@Reisen Udongein Thank you for fixing my diff back then! I decided to follow Hailie's suggestions (with a slightly different interpretation) and tweak some parts of my diff around so that the map should feel more up-to-date with modern maps (hopefully) without deviating from the original map's philosophy, I hope you liked it~

:3

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110,98,94588,2,0,P|83:153|107:209,1,125,2|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
180,242,95062,2,0,B|203:254|239:241|239:241|272:229|301:241,1,125,2|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
301,241,95693,6,8,P|304:278|306:315,1,62.5,8|2,0:0|1:2,0:0:0:0:
356,163,96009,1,0,0:0:0:0:
470,169,96167,1,8,0:0:0:0:
512,83,96325,2,0,P|509:49|507:16,1,62.5,10|0,0:0|1:2,0:0:0:0:
470,169,96641,6,0,P|409:189|348:153,1,125,2|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
283,129,97114,2,0,B|243:129|243:129|201:149|201:149|162:149,1,125,2|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
105,208,97588,2,0,B|92:253|92:253|95:298|133:317,1,125,2|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
131,316,98219,6,0,L|68:316,1,62.5,8|2,0:0|1:2,0:0:0:0:
256,264,98535,1,2,0:0:0:0:
186,374,98693,1,8,0:0:0:0:
177,243,98851,1,10,0:0:0:0:
262,346,99009,1,0,1:2:0:0:
262,346,99167,6,0,B|308:346|308:346|339:373|383:367,1,125,6|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
448,320,99641,2,0,B|456:277|456:277|441:240|441:240|448:194,1,125,2|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
491,131,100114,2,0,P|440:165|379:157,1,125,2|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
379,157,100746,5,8,0:0:0:0:
491,131,100904,1,2,1:2:0:0:
491,131,101062,1,0,0:0:0:0:
491,131,101219,1,8,0:0:0:0:
379,157,101377,1,2,0:0:0:0:
274,127,101535,1,8,0:0:0:0:
170,157,101693,6,0,P|110:170|57:137,1,125,2|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
2,78,102167,2,0,L|13:220,1,125,2|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
17,284,102641,1,2,1:2:0:0:
170,157,102956,1,0,1:2:0:0:
17,284,103272,6,0,L|22:359,1,62.5,8|2,0:0|1:2,0:0:0:0:
13,203,103588,1,2,0:0:0:0:
100,290,103746,1,8,0:0:0:0:
83,167,103904,2,0,L|79:135,3,31.25,8|8|8|8,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
76,120,104219,6,0,B|120:129|150:100|150:100|201:100,1,125,6|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
256,46,104693,1,0,0:0:0:0:
317,100,104851,2,0,B|362:100|362:100|392:129|436:120,1,125,0|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
436,119,105483,6,0,P|442:87|433:58,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
486,194,105798,2,0,P|507:169|513:139,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
478,278,106114,2,0,P|509:277|543:253,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
478,278,106430,6,0,B|429:265|429:265|378:265,1,100,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,314,107062,6,0,L|232:377,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
201,234,107377,2,0,B|196:191|196:191|212:156|212:156|209:112,1,125,0|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
209,113,108009,6,0,P|241:123|274:120,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
397,164,108325,2,0,P|365:162|336:171,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
280,232,108641,2,0,P|270:278|291:324,1,93.75,0|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
299,329,108956,2,0,P|267:320|230:324,1,62.5,0|2,1:2|1:3,0:0:0:0:
374,357,109272,6,0,P|432:373|490:347,1,125,0|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
500,266,109746,1,0,0:0:0:0:
510,185,109904,2,0,B|504:142|504:142|514:102|514:102|508:63,1,125,0|8,1:2|0:2,0:0:0:0:
507,62,110535,6,0,L|497:0,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
454,125,110851,2,0,L|390:125,1,62.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
511,185,111167,2,0,L|501:247,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
446,303,111483,6,0,B|422:311|397:303|397:303|371:295|347:304,1,100,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
168,212,112114,6,0,L|176:148,1,62.5,8|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
127,83,112430,2,0,P|180:111|242:99,1,125,0|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
242,99,113062,6,0,P|277:94|308:99,1,62.5,0|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
377,66,113377,2,0,P|395:41|406:11,1,62.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
370,144,113693,2,0,P|383:191|417:228,1,93.75,0|0,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
412,224,114009,5,0,1:2:0:0:
388,337,114167,1,2,1:3:0:0:

Civil oath wrote:

C O I N wrote:

Hyper+

1. 00:05:062 (8) -
   01:48:641 (2) - 이거 둘다 -8 도만 돌려주시면 좋을것같아요. 전노트랑 각도가 비슷할 수 있도록.
   
   
2. 00:17:535 (2,3) - 요거 담요 조금만 다듬어주시면 이쁘게 둘러쌀 수 있을것같아요!
   
   
3. 00:15:325 (3,5) - 이거두개 일직선 맞춰주시면 플레이할때 더 이쁠듯요!
   
   
   
   즐맵핑 되세욤

C O I N wrote:

Hyper+

1. 00:05:062 (8) -
   01:48:641 (2) - 이거 둘다 -8 도만 돌려주시면 좋을것같아요. 전노트랑 각도가 비슷할 수 있도록.
   
   
2. 00:17:535 (2,3) - 요거 담요 조금만 다듬어주시면 이쁘게 둘러쌀 수 있을것같아요!
   
   
3. 00:15:325 (3,5) - 이거두개 일직선 맞춰주시면 플레이할때 더 이쁠듯요!
   
   
   
   즐맵핑 되세욤

Hailie wrote:

a few minor things I like to mention before I bubble

Beginner
- you said that that the spinner needs to practice with the spinner but I still felt that it makes the 2nd part of the kiai underwhelming 01:32:851 (1) - than it already it is so while I can understand you wanting to keep the other spinners , I think it better to have this 1 gone at least - the others should be enough for a beginner

Standard -
01:23:377 (3) - maybe do a rhythm like this instead https://puu.sh/zENbR/80929fe7dd.png ? just using a repeat doesn't feel all that engaging for a newbie and while this is but still simple enough to not be too hard (don't have to do exactly like the suggestion but something similar to it maybe)

Muya's - Probably should check this to tick 2 like the rest of the difficulties - I don't see exactly a reason for it to be different with the rhythm usage in this difficulty

anyways that should be about it since I pretty okay with the rest of the difficulties - call me back again

UndeadCapulet wrote:

nekomata master is good at music

00:47:535 (1) - topdiff needs to use muya's snapping for this

other stuff

top
01:51:483 (1) - prob use the 00:02:851 (5,1) - rhythm for a nicer callback to the intro

muya
00:18:325 (1) - weird rhythm to me, seems you want to map drums here but the first main drumbeat is at 00:18:246 - , really think you should revise this in some way
prob set everything after 01:44:219 - to 40%vol

white

UndeadCapulet wrote:

prob set everything after 01:44:219 - to 40%vol

beginr
00:20:851 (1) - , 00:51:167 (1) - not rly nice places for a spinner bc it causes a 4/1 gap when the song starts to pick up, think you should just map these spots with objects - changed to the couple of notes on first one, but I still think that second one is fit to spinner because kind of xylophone melody is there and the situation that not even one spinner exists on the beginner diff really makes me feel weird

call us back

UndeadCapulet wrote:

welcome back reisen

Zero__wind wrote:

yes!

Myxomatosis wrote:

Hey, I have some concerns that could use fixing before this gets ranked:


[Muya's Another]

The kiai from 01:24:009 - onwards is lacking hitsounding. Just two finish hitsounds and nothing else in the most intense section of the song feels really empty. Could add some more finishes, claps to support the drums, whistles to support the melody, or a combination of those.

[Beginner]

I highly recommend lowering the slider tick rate to 1 for this difficulty. Due to the low slider velocity, the first and last tick of each slider is currently invisible in gameplay, but still produces a sound, so it provides feedback for something the player can't see.


Amazing mapset throughout, I really like the different styles. Would be nice to see these things fixed though. Good luck!

Muya wrote:

@Reisen
thanks for updating, however, Im sure for ArtistUnicode are got some wrong on my diff.
please fix it, thanks!

Ryuusei Aika wrote:

highest diff
01:05:535 (1) - missing stack

just reminding xD