neonat wrote:

Hello

Despondency

00:02:704 (10) - using a circle instead of a slider here, it helps with matching with how the sounds cut short here and leaves a sudden short break in the song. Similarly at 00:08:190 (10) I disagree, its done like that for a filler, and not planning on doing single circles in the first section
00:09:733 (1,2,3) - start the slider at 00:09:733 and the 2 circles at 00:09:904 and 00:09:990 - the voice holds at 00:09:733 while there are 2 independent beats at 00:09:904 and 00:09:990 would coincide better with circles nice idea
00:25:504 (6,7) - could 00:25:675 (7) be shifted more to the left, so that the angle from 00:25:504 (6) is not that acute. Quite often in this section the movement is quite restricted and small, like around 00:26:875 (1,2,1,2) - and that would make things harder to move around I don't find them particularly troubling, seems to work fine for me.
00:32:361 (3) - separate and use 2 circles? 00:32:533 is a strong beat k will do
00:33:218 (2,1) - largest spacing in this pattern, but wouldn't it be more appropriate for the largest spacing to be at 00:33:561 (2,1) - where the peak pitch is at? Like 00:36:305 (2,1) for structural and aesthetical purposes it will be kept on this way. No emphasis is really lost there.
00:43:675 (1) - because of how 00:42:990 (3,4,5,6,7) is angled, the movement to 00:43:675 (1) feels irregular, possibly shift it lower, curve it to face more to the right rather than left for example fixed
02:04:247 (4,5,6) - especially the spacing for 02:04:247 (4,5) - unlike the others with the held vocals the spacing here is the odd one out i'll see what happens when I remap the section
03:15:561 (3) - why finish here rather than 03:15:218 (2) - like 03:13:847 (2) - ? The cymbals don't seem to be heard at 03:15:561 mistake on (2)'s, will take a second look
03:17:618 (1) - 03:28:590 (1) - 03:39:561 (1) - hitsounds for these? oops
04:01:504 (1) - 04:12:475 (1) - 04:23:447 (1) - finish? sure
04:23:790 (1,2,1) - bigger spacing for 04:23:961 (2,1) rather than 04:23:790 (1,2) - match with the peak pitch in the song I will copy paste something at the end of the mod reply.
04:24:647 (2,1,2) - could try to portray the increase in pitch in the song again at 04:24:647 (2,1) with a change in spacing comapred to what is around it, have it bigger than the rest will do
04:26:704 (2,1) - similarly about the spacing, 04:27:218 (1,2,1) - this one actually somewhat shows that, with 04:27:390 (2,1) - bigger than all those around it, albeit just slightly
04:29:447 (2,1) - 04:30:133 (2,1) - 04:32:190 (2,1) - 04:34:933 (2,1) - 04:35:618 (2,1) - ^ etc. yes yes
04:38:533 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - could do some spacing emphasis here for the tune change and increase in song pressure/intensity yeah I could increase spacing a bit.
04:47:961 (5) - 04:53:447 (5) - 04:58:933 (5) - similar to 00:02:704 (10)
04:50:190 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - could be like 05:01:161 (1,2) - starting with sliders matches the vocal in the song disagree, second one has kicks on both sliders.
04:54:990 (1,2,3,4) - similar to 00:09:733 (1,2,3) yeah

All the best

1. 01:14:018 (1,2) - All the other triples in this section, i understand. But this one is definitely overmapped to my ears because i can legit not head any audiable sound on the blue tick. Same with 01:15:390 (1,2,3) -
2. 01:16:590 (8,1) - Dont you think the spacing is quite harsh for such a calm section? On the surrounding parts you have spacing almost similar to this for 1/2 and this, This is 1/4. This could totally be misread. Even the visuals kinda make this look like a 1/2 pattern so yeah
3. 01:24:475 (1) - Dont think you need NC because its not at 01:23:104 (5) - Even tho the cymbal exists at 01:24:475 - but still :eyes:
4. 01:29:161 (4,5) - Try listening to this on 25% , The wubs actually land on 1/3 snap which is at 01:29:390 - 01:29:504 - Same for others like this
5. 01:29:104 (4) - Also you kinda decreased SV quite alot so an NC would help reading that
6. 01:34:075 (1,2,3,4,5) - quite questionable rhythm here because the sound at 01:34:161 - is ignored and instead of that ,01:34:247 - this is mapped
7. 02:35:447 (3,4) - This is also 1/3. Same goes to other patterns like this
8. 04:46:075 (1) - In this whole section you had some NC's like this one which you didnt have in the intro at all so yeah probably make them consistent (?)

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

[Despondency]

1. 01:14:018 (1,2) - All the other triples in this section, i understand. But this one is definitely overmapped to my ears because i can legit not head any audiable sound on the blue tick. Same with 01:15:390 (1,2,3) - It is a bit audible, but since 01:15:390 (1,2,3) - is more audible, I'd rather also keep on the first one for consistency.
2. 01:16:590 (8,1) - Dont you think the spacing is quite harsh for such a calm section? On the surrounding parts you have spacing almost similar to this for 1/2 and this, This is 1/4. This could totally be misread. Even the visuals kinda make this look like a 1/2 pattern so yeah I have faith in people to have rhythmic sense and see it coming and when. Although it maybe a bit overspaced, I think I'll nerf it a bit.
3. 01:24:475 (1) - Dont think you need NC because its not at 01:23:104 (5) - Even tho the cymbal exists at 01:24:475 - but still :eyes: Meeeh, using NC for patterning here. Think it's valid.
4. 01:29:161 (4,5) - Try listening to this on 25% , The wubs actually land on 1/3 snap which is at 01:29:390 - 01:29:504 - Same for others like this Hithats and drums suggest 1/4, so I'd stick with conventional stuff.
5. 01:29:104 (4) - Also you kinda decreased SV quite alot so an NC would help reading that Map is already spammed enough with NC's I'd rather not take unnecessary ones.
6. 01:34:075 (1,2,3,4,5) - quite questionable rhythm here because the sound at 01:34:161 - is ignored and instead of that ,01:34:247 - this is mapped I ignored a pitched sound, and followed the deep wubs, I don't think its necessary to acute that pitch.
7. 02:35:447 (3,4) - This is also 1/3. Same goes to other patterns like this Drums / hithats, I like conventional.
8. 04:46:075 (1) - In this whole section you had some NC's like this one which you didnt have in the intro at all so yeah probably make them consistent (?) right oops

Can't say much about it since its quite above my playing level. Also i believe the overall structure could use some work other than that its a fine map.
Good luck

-Mo- wrote:

- 00:22:418 (4,5,6) - 00:27:904 (4,5,6) - Nazi perfectionist thing but might as well point out I guess. Some of these triples under sliders thing seem to be slightly off. Okay will fix those since you pointed them out.
- 00:36:475 (1,2) - I get that you made 00:36:305 (2,1) to be the largest jump because of the pitch, but I expected 00:36:475 (1,2) to be larger than 00:36:133 (1,2). Doing that would also give the visual impact that this specific combo is at the top of the scale. Applies to everywhere else you did the 1-2 stuff. Check blue... below the quote.
- 00:38:533 - Would be cool to keep doing variable spacing stuff with these. You can keep them parallel to emphasise the background stuff, but it seems underwhelming to throw out the spacing stuff out when you did it just earlier. Because the drums are gpomg here in 1/2 intervals they essentially keep the same intensity throughout, doing some minor changes would not be noticed and would just harm gameplay, having large variable spacing will result in these patterns not being emphasized properly, because they will resemble the patterning without drums too much.
- 02:34:590 (4) - 02:39:904 (3) etc - Might consider NCing the start of the 1/3 stuff just so it's a little more intuitive to read. Think that the player will understand that based on previous patterning in the wub section 01:31:333 (1,2,3,4,5) - although NCing the 1/6 here after a NCed note would make no sense imo, so I think it's fine.

Looks pretty good.

-Mo- wrote:

Recheck stuff

- 01:47:790 (3) - Missing NC I think? Looks like you wanted to do 1-2 stuff again. Actually this was intented because that hit is a snare (which is usually (2) in the part) so I ended up thinking that the 4 sounds are grouped in the song
- 01:57:733 (6) - NCing with 01:56:361 (1) would make it consistent I guess, if you wanted.UN nced the (1) instead, think it's neat
- 04:05:447 (7,8,9) - Could change this now that you're custom stacking 00:25:333 triples things now. Few more in this kiai if you care about them. ohhh
- 02:11:447 (1) - 03:06:304 (9) - Inconsistent NCing. Also personal opinion but I think these would be more fun Ctrl+G'd so it goes in opposite direction of the stream thing. Fixed NCing but imma keep the position because I like the weird budge towards the slider and it's disconnected flow compared to the cursor from it.

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NyarkoO wrote:

Holy did this just get bubbled

(Good luck mate!)

Hobbes2 wrote:

If you apply something that repeats, please apply wherever relevant; your map is quite consistent so this might happen a few times.

00:20:361 (5) - would be a lot more interesting as two circles imo, consider the vocal on 00:20:447 - and that these two drums that make up the kickslider are the same intensity anyway. Music does a cool thing to end the stream on blue tick, so you should too! imo anyway not a lot more interesting but w//e I tried it and I liked it even though there's a slight difference between drums.
00:33:047 (1,2) - for this and the next respective jump section, to me 00:33:047 (1,2,1,2) - sound like buildup and 00:33:733 (1,2) - sounds like the most intense part of the music there, so reflecting that via the spacing would be nice. So, build up with 00:33:047 (1,2,1,2) - and have the peak spacing on 00:33:733 (1,2) - which would then go down again, as does the music's intensity. check my reply on initial -Mo- post for that thing, personally the song isn't having a generic buildup, I think that 00:33:561 (2) - spices it up a lot.
01:17:190 (2) - The music puts some emphasis on these blue ticks via the drums, so masking them inside of a triplet comes across as rather underwhelming. cool wording, but I don't understand what do you suggest me to do xd
01:24:475 (1) - I feel like the angles makes this particular note stand out in this jump pattern unfairly, giving a similar angle to 01:23:790 (1) - would be cool. 01:24:475 (1) - personally I think this note is more important, the one you suggest me to make consistent starts the 1-2 patterns so giving it weird angle will make the pattern not so intuitive, while this is a continuation of the patterning so I think it's fine to keep it just here.

The wub section is pretty cool but I think if you had some sort of setup for the 1/4 jumps (like, 01:29:618 (1,2,3,4,1) - is the first in the map and is quite large) it wouldn't feel so sudden for the lack of a better word. If you incorporated some spaced 1/4 in the earlier part of the map you'd have a much healthier gameplay experience tbh. Personally I don't feel like I should slowly show the concept off because it wouldn't be relevant with the song on the same sounds in this section. People will have more trouble on those 1/3 sliders tbh than this. But reduced the spacing slightly anyways since it may be a bit overspaced.

01:31:504 (2,3,4,5) - this is kinda weird to me, cause of the timeline gap between the clickable part of 01:31:904 (5) - and 01:32:190 (1) - makes the polarity weird. Maybe shorten 5 by a reverse and add a circle on the white tick? example: http://puu.sh/yYR1t/192e6010f1.jpg Hm the 01:32:190 (1) - certainly comes out of nowhere in the song and such I tried to portray that awkardness by ending the previous note on an unusual spot (other than the white tick being too weak for me to consider placing something clickable there).
01:32:875 (1,2,1,2,1) - plays kinda weird, the music has a pretty consistent effect throughout but the angles between the 1/4 jumps are quite different (straight line vs. something sharper) Idk it seems like circular motion that leads into a straight line which is mostly comfortable https://i.imgur.com/US6vYqC.png, of course it forces a slight snap but I have no difficulties playing any of those patterns neither have testplayers.
01:37:333 (1) - remove NC and move it to 01:37:504 (2) - ? the new sound grouping starts on the kick, so I tried to differentiate them like that. It is also consistent with 01:38:190 (2) - .
01:47:790 (3) - NC? explained in -Mo- recheck reply.
02:05:104 (2) - maybe place this around 512,175 so that you aren't hitting the back of 3 as you move to it from 2 I like how your option plays but it would negate the emphasis I'm trying to give on the stronger note which is the slider (3). Personally I think this just seems a bit odd in editor but plays almost completely fine.
02:11:104 (6) - perhaps NC? hey i like that
02:12:133 (2) - for a similar reason to 2:05, perhaps an arrange like this would be better - http://puu.sh/yYR9w/bec4df19ac.jpg. It's not really necessary and at this level it doesn't really matter for playability all that much, but I do think it would be an improvement.the weird budge that I'm kinda incorporating I think plays more interestingly on a slow section, having it flow perfectly will just be :weary:, I don't even really feel the weird angle in gameplay strongly, it's just an editor illusion to me xd.
02:28:247 (1) - music is building up in intensity here and reflecting that in the spacing of the jumps would make more sense imo. I'm not really sure what your spacing concept is for this. 02:28:761 (2) - and 02:29:447 (2) - have a synth on them together with some vocals in first pattern while the second just seems like an more intenser phrase which the vocals + synth suggest. The synth has an obvious buildup starting from here 02:29:618 (1) - which was emphasized
02:54:818 (2) - this is different musically from 02:54:304 (1,2,1), so grouping these 02:54:304 (1,2,1) - as a pattern and making 02:54:818 (2) - into a triplet with 02:54:990 (3) - would make more sense Okay so the idea was to group these together 02:54:647 (1,2) - in a 30degree angle as a hint the the song is changing since they both have the same wub. If you noticed the whole section was basically on the same axis (~15 degrees) so by putting these into a 30 degree it transitions really well into a new section based on 30 degree tilted sliders.
03:02:018 (2,1) - if you fully overlap 2 with 1's sliderbody this looks waaaay better Actually made it overlap even less, personally I'm not a fan of sliders fully overlapping the circles However based on the second part slidershapes 03:12:990 (2,1) - I decided to overlap fully since it looks beter /shrug aesthetics are subjective don't judge me xd
03:50:533 - i think this buildup section is undermapping a lot of relevant 1/4. Personally I don't think that they're really that relevant, as for how much the section is intense, mapping with weird 2 stacks and such will be counterproductive to the overall feel of the part and will just result in playing wonky (I tried it out didn't work). The constant 1/2 spams builds really well into the streams later which by following 1/4 stuff it wouldn't be achieved or feel as good.
04:26:190 (1) - really similar to my second point of this mod mhm
04:47:703 (3,4) - ctrl+g here feels a lot better with the vocal chops 04:48:818 (1,2,1,2) - if you're referring to ctrl+g the rhythm, it wouldn't give emphasis to these notes which truly have much more distinct vocals on the blue ticks. For these distinct notes I'd rather reserve the rhythmical irregularity.

ya

Hobbes2 wrote:

01:16:933 (1,2,3) - for stuff like this naturally the emphasis lands on the white tick based on how you mapped it, but musically the blue ticks are what have importance, so when you map it so that the blue ticks are the middle of a triplet instead of having some kind of emphasis via rhythm, etc, it comes across as underwhelming. https://i.imgur.com/eDr4sqS.jpg so you're suggesting such a rhythm? Personally I don't see it as necessary because any emphasis on vocals will be null. The 1/4 spacing I've implemented is emphasis enough, check the movement from the slider into the 2stack.

on a related note, 01:19:333 (3,4) - are missing clap hitsounds I don't hear a snare on 4, but i added a clap on 3.

basically look at this buildup section again and I think you can do a better job of prioritizing rhythm, instead of this generic one half one fourth stuff the music has important claps on some blue ticks that you can base the rhythm around, instead of simplifying it like that I said that I tried, and I guess I will try again (im kinda more experienced rn xd), if I like it (it ends up emphasizing the overall intensity of the section) we can reach a compromise. If I dislike it, i guess I tried.jpg. But i will put effort into trying to make it work.

Faygor wrote:

congrats !!!

Left wrote:

gratz with your first ranked stuff xd