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Osanai Yuki

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Lasse wrote:
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01:28:282 (1,2,3,4) - what is this even mapped to, there's a clear change to really noticeable 1/4 snares on 01:28:512 - - which your current thing completely ignores by just mapping a full stream I know it is existing a variation from 01:28:512 - on this streams. but I thought it would be nice the 1,2,3,4 to flow to the starting of kiai along with 5,6,7,8. While I can hear some melody changes on single 1/4 tick 01:28:281 - 01:28:339 - 01:28:397 - 01:28:454 - I am thinking it is okay to keep current.
01:32:205 (7,8,9,10) - held string sound mapped as 1/4 with clap spam, why... I agree I did put clap sounds to where clap sounds even don't exist. How about change it to whistle or just soft-hitnormal?
01:39:358 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - basically same, there is no base for 1/4 rhythm Okay, I turned it to two 1/2 sliders.
01:39:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - what is this following? completely ignores the 1/1 melody to spam filler rhythm I wanted to follow where you can listen to drum sounds on single 1/2 tick more than melodies you think it has to be supoosed. The music goes to the finale of a highlight, so I want to give a strong effect here.
02:57:358 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^ same as above
01:58:281 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - most of this is not in the song either I still believe the vocals are supposed to be done as the streams. 01:58:281 - the vocals start from here, and keeping sound for several ticks. The vocals exist along with drums and are making a harmony into the part. If I didn't put here the streams it would feel weird so much.
01:59:608 (8,1,2) - this is just suddenly extremely harsh gameplay wise for no apparent reason, it's just a drum roll but this is stands out so much in the map pattern and difficulty wise It was for the aesthetic of the pattern actually. It might be harsh to play as you said, but it won't be that big issue for the player who is able to play it.

02:15:358 (3,4) - why ignore the guitar switching to red ticks for such a bland rhythm? something like https://i.imgur.com/gTwiGIL.jpg would make for a much more engaging rhythm
same thing applies basically for the whole part, your rhythm is just so bland when the song offers a lot of possibilities for more interesting rhythm than just spamming sliders on white ticks I tried to follow the rhythm you suggested.

02:29:551 (4,1) - basically just a free sliderbreak with how much momentum the square builds up, different angle/breaking movement on the slider would be much nicer

Garden wrote:
02:29:551 (4,1) - Rather than being read as 02:29:320 (2,3,4,1) - (the square you mention? sorry if i didnt get it right here), it's more like 02:28:743 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - 02:29:204 (1,2,3,4) - , then 02:29:666 (1) - , so the slider works really well as a flowbreaker to transfer to the slow part.
Garden explained it very well. I really think current flow is following and expressing the music.

02:59:781 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - this is probably the worst one overmap wise... I am not sure if you would be fine with the change.
05:23:895 (4) - so there are a ton of overmapped streams, but then you ignore the ones actually in the song

Garden wrote:
05:23:895 (4) - : 05:23:204 (1,2) - 05:23:665 (3,4) - should be consistent to support the vocal pattern. So mapper decided not to start the stream at 05:23:896 - (also it seems a bit abrupt to play if it starts there).
It is as Garden said.

05:24:127 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yea I think it applies as well what I said on 01:58:281 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) -
05:37:050 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
05:37:511 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - well, this is in the song, but 05:37:741 (5,6,7,8) - is clearly different since it switches from kicks to way louder snares

Garden wrote:
05:37:511 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Surely your point makes sense here, but it's more a mapper's perspective of view (imo it's only noticeable in editor when we slowly listen to the intensity changes in music, but players won't really find it obvious while playing)
It is as Garden said.

06:10:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 06:22:280 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - etc

I fixed the 6:10 thing, but 6:22 thing would have really weird rhythm if I going to change it. It would be appreciated if you give me some recommendation.

06:12:588 (4) - 06:14:434 (5) - etc. melody on these is twice as fast as before but represented in the same way which is just really underwhelming I really don't get what is the problem with it.

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I only pointed out some of the worst overmaps, there are more which are probably just on the edge of being acceptable since they don't feel too unfitting

for overmapped triples like 00:58:166 (6,7) - at least hitsound them properly (1/4 claps)

should also go over hitsounding again, it's extremely bland for what the song offers and it also seems like you missed a lot of stuff like cymbals on 04:43:511 - or 06:05:665 - 06:07:511 - 01:01:974 - To be honest, I am really not good at hitsounding. So I might put some wrong hitsounds. and, yeah. It is my hitsounding style to only finish those cymbals that indicates a transition in sections. So it also would be appreciated if you give me some recommendation
also normal claps on 02:13:512 (9,7) - sound really out of place, just use your custom clap for normal too if you want clap with normalwhistle? I admit I did make a mistake on here

pop is mainly for the in my opinion very badly executed overmapping, though in general I don't think this is an accurate representation of the song and just very underwhelming in general

also difficulty wise it mainly looks like you took a double bpm style insane/low extra and put some 7* streams on it, which in most cases don't even follow the song

Thank you for posting Lasse and Garden. Sorry for being lated to reply.

Dailycare's reply will be delayed a few time.

Lasse

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Lasse 8 years ago

02:59:781 (2,3,4) - etc these triples will be much nicer with proper hitsounding (read: claps on all ticks) if you use 1/2 claps with 1/4 rhythm is just becomes really weird (basically hitsound these similar to 01:45:243 (5,6) - etc)

things like 01:28:282 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - still don't make any sense to me with what the song is doing, even if you try to tell me there is a "change in movement on 01:28:512 (5) - " which is not anything that will stand out in gameplay, as an experienced player you should know how streams like this play (one fluid motion)
maybe even something like https://i.imgur.com/VE2UGOx.jpg would work, right now you are representing 1/4 and 1/2 in the song both in the same way which is just really questionable

01:32:205 (7,8,9,10,1) - this is just a very random feeling overmap since you never do it for similar spots in this part, so it feels just out of place

01:39:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - "The music goes to the finale of a highlight, so I want to give a strong effect here." how does an insane level alt pattern give any strong effect in a map filled with spaced 260 streams

"I still believe the vocals are supposed to be done as the streams."
just
what
no
how does this make any sense
this sentence alone makes me just feel like I'm wasting my time arguing here

02:29:551 (4,1) - yea whatever, this is a minor point anyway

03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - ignores the really noticeable change in drums on 03:00:820 (3,4) - , some kind of expanding pattern for example would be much nicer

05:23:895 (4) - what, there isn't even a vocal on this, why would you make it consistent with the "vocal pattern"

06:10:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - at least this actually follows the song now..

06:12:127 (3,4) - compare the sounds on both, 3 maps melody only on head, while 4 has it both, this one is also only a minor issue not related to the pop, but I still think something like https://i.imgur.com/91aXjfq.jpg would be better

yea I still don't think this is in any way acceptable with how you put streams over held vocals with no 1/4 to support and overall unfitting and inconsistent overmaps. I'm not saying overmapping is bad in general, it can be nice if used well, but not the way you executed it.

Illyasviel

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Joined July 2013

Illyasviel 8 years ago

Checking the timing I see some minor issues especially on the slow parts. You should really change the mp3 and copy the timing from the set that got ranked last year in CtB. It even has timed the ending too. Because with your current timing parts like this 04:16:408 (1) - and this 04:18:906 (1) - are not properly timed.

Vell

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Joined October 2013

Vell 8 years ago

passing by to say please silence those ends 00:08:320 -

VINXIS

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VINXIS 8 years ago

Osanai Yuki

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Topic Starter

Osanai Yuki 8 years ago

Lasse wrote:
02:59:781 (2,3,4) - etc these triples will be much nicer with proper hitsounding (read: claps on all ticks) if you use 1/2 claps with 1/4 rhythm is just becomes really weird (basically hitsound these similar to 01:45:243 (5,6) - etc) fixed

things like 01:28:282 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - still don't make any sense to me with what the song is doing, even if you try to tell me there is a "change in movement on 01:28:512 (5) - " which is not anything that will stand out in gameplay, as an experienced player you should know how streams like this play (one fluid motion)
maybe even something like https://i.imgur.com/VE2UGOx.jpg would work, right now you are representing 1/4 and 1/2 in the song both in the same way which is just really questionable Two 1/4 kick sliders feel weird a little for me I fixed the distance of 01:28:281 (1,2,3,4) - this stream instead.

01:32:205 (7,8,9,10,1) - this is just a very random feeling overmap since you never do it for similar spots in this part, so it feels just out of place I did it at 02:49:743 (4,5,6,7) - as well. and I could only hear the sounds at 01:32:204 - 01:32:262 - 01:32:320 - 01:32:377 -

01:39:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - "The music goes to the finale of a highlight, so I want to give a strong effect here." how does an insane level alt pattern give any strong effect in a map filled with spaced 260 streams The pattern is like preparing for the 260 long streams? I really think it is fine to keep.

"I still believe the vocals are supposed to be done as the streams."
just
what
no
how does this make any sense
this sentence alone makes me just feel like I'm wasting my time arguing here OK, I fixed it with VINXIS's help.

02:29:551 (4,1) - yea whatever, this is a minor point anyway

03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - ignores the really noticeable change in drums on 03:00:820 (3,4) - , some kind of expanding pattern for example would be much nicer I tried but I am not sure you would be satisfied with this change.

05:23:895 (4) - what, there isn't even a vocal on this, why would you make it consistent with the "vocal pattern" I can hear the sound "ah-----------" which is starting to exist from 05:23:665 - and it seems a bit abrupt to play if it starts there.

06:10:280 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - at least this actually follows the song now..

06:12:127 (3,4) - compare the sounds on both, 3 maps melody only on head, while 4 has it both, this one is also only a minor issue not related to the pop, but I still think something like https://i.imgur.com/91aXjfq.jpg would be better ok!

yea I still don't think this is in any way acceptable with how you put streams over held vocals with no 1/4 to support and overall unfitting and inconsistent overmaps. I'm not saying overmapping is bad in general, it can be nice if used well, but not the way you executed it.

I tried to fix those things you mentioned and I am thinking this is good for now!

[XV] wrote:
Checking the timing I see some minor issues especially on the slow parts. You should really change the mp3 and copy the timing from the set that got ranked last year in CtB. It even has timed the ending too. Because with your current timing parts like this 04:16:408 (1) - and this 04:18:906 (1) - are not properly timed.

I am not sure about it. because it uses same mp3 file with the mapset? I will contact to someone has knowledge of timing.

Lasse

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Lasse 8 years ago

well I still don't like the way some of the overmaps are utilized, but at least it makes a bit more sense than before

seems like this discussion will not lead to anything new at this point and I'm also tired of the whole thing so feel free to go ahead with this
though chance is high it will be popped again I think...

Dailycare

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Dailycare 8 years ago

04:37:966 (1,2) - didn't change the spacing for making it same with the similar part

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Osanai Yuki

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Osanai Yuki 8 years ago

Changelog:

Some overmaps have been resolved with Lasse and some mappers' suggestions.
Storyboard has been fixed according to changes of the map.

We have addressed about the overmap issues and made some changes.

As Lasse agreed to go ahead with this state, it seems we have made an agreement with him at least.

Then, we are ready to go with this now.

Rizia

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Rizia 8 years ago

xd

04:18 Enon: Hello Rizia
04:18 Rizia: hello
04:20 Enon: Do you mind if I ask you to give me an opinion for some patterns being issue in my map?
04:20 Rizia: sure
04:20 Enon: Since it's really hard map
04:21 Enon: so I want to ask some play-experienced mapper
04:21 Enon: thanks!
04:21 *Enon is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/875945 Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>]
04:21 Enon: Which map is this
04:22 Enon: The issues are started from https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6387790 Lasse's mod
04:22 Enon: and I replied like https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6391296 and https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6396973
04:22 Enon: and it seems we made an agreement with Lasse
04:23 Enon: so I think it's fine to go
04:23 Enon: but
04:23 Enon: Garden worries if it might be bubble-popped again
04:23 Enon: so
04:23 Enon: before rebubbling
04:23 Enon: needs to gather some mappers' opinions
04:24 Rizia: 01:59:608 (8,1,2) - 
04:24 Rizia: nerf plz
04:24 Rizia: since its 260
04:25 Rizia: streams better have a smooth flow
04:25 Enon: humm
04:26 Enon: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9780127
04:26 Enon: like this?
04:26 Rizia: its looks better
04:26 Rizia: xd
04:27 Enon: OK
04:29 Rizia: for me, i dont see any serious issue in the map now
04:30 Enon: thank you for checking!
04:30 Enon: if you don't mind
04:30 Enon: can you post it in the thread?
04:30 Enon: it would be appreciated!
04:32 Rizia: 01:32:262 (8) - 
04:32 Rizia: not too bad if deleted
04:33 Enon: humm
04:33 Enon: 01:32:204 - 01:32:262 - 01:32:320 - 01:32:377 - i mapped in a way to indicate the increasing pitch in melody
04:34 Rizia: oh
04:35 Rizia: actually fine
04:35 Rizia: its
04:35 Rizia: xd
04:35 Enon: XD
04:35 Rizia: yeah i think thats all for me
04:36 Enon: XD
04:36 Enon: good to hear
04:36 Rizia: good luck with your map~!
04:37 Enon: thank you for your time
04:37 Enon: :D

neonat

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neonat 8 years ago

Quick Chat

2017-12-18 01:40 neonat: like uh
2017-12-18 01:41 neonat: 01:42:877 (6,8) - there is no music here
2017-12-18 01:43 neonat: 02:06:012 (4,5) - kinda underwhelming spacing when 02:06:127 (5) - is so strong
2017-12-18 01:44 neonat: it's weird to start the sliders on the red line 02:15:474 (4) - 02:15:474 (4) - 02:16:397 (4) - etc
2017-12-18 01:44 neonat: their strong part is the white line
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: about the part
2017-12-18 01:45 Enon: lasse suggested me the rhythms
2017-12-18 01:46 Enon: like "why ignore the guitar switching to red ticks for such a bland rhythm? something like https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/gTwiGIL.jpg would make for a much more engaging rhythm "
2017-12-18 01:46 neonat: because the guitars hold at 02:15:358 (3) - then 02:16:281 (3,4) - is a double guitar sound
2017-12-18 01:46 neonat: while 02:16:512 - guitar starts here too
2017-12-18 01:47 Enon: https://puu.sh/yIqOJ/77a58db679.png
2017-12-18 01:47 Enon: how about these rhythms?
2017-12-18 01:47 neonat: the violin at 03:23:666 - is strong enough to not be slider end
2017-12-18 01:48 neonat: I think for 02:15:358 (3,4) - you can merge them all together into a slider
2017-12-18 01:48 neonat: 02:16:281 (3,4,5) - can be like those sliders you ss-ed
2017-12-18 01:49 Enon: that mean 02:15:358 (3,4) - for this is
2017-12-18 01:49 Enon: make 02:15:358 (3,4) - it to 1/1?
2017-12-18 01:49 neonat: yeh
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: 03:13:512 - 03:13:627 - 03:13:743 - 03:13:858 - you just left this blank
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: or at least dailycare did
2017-12-18 01:50 Enon: i did it as well
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: that violin part also daily's part
2017-12-18 01:50 Enon: 01:55:743 -
2017-12-18 01:50 neonat: it's different
2017-12-18 01:51 neonat: your part doesn't have the same percussion
2017-12-18 01:51 Enon: ahh
2017-12-18 01:51 Enon: the red ticks?
2017-12-18 01:52 Enon: maybe
2017-12-18 01:52 Enon: he wanted to make it as similar as mine because its mood is really similar?
2017-12-18 01:52 neonat: not quite
2017-12-18 01:52 neonat: same mood
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: i didn't say it's same :O
2017-12-18 01:53 Enon: just really similar
2017-12-18 01:54 neonat: still not quite lol
2017-12-18 01:54 neonat: the percussion is much more prevalent in daily's
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: 05:11:197 (1,2) - the stack pauses in the kiai differ, it's not really consistent
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: it's 6 beats here from the start of the phrase
2017-12-18 01:55 neonat: it's after 12 at 05:19:504 (1) - 
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: ????????
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: what does mean of that number
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: hard to understand tbh
2017-12-18 01:56 Enon: :(
2017-12-18 01:58 neonat: anyway that's what I have to say from seeing once through
2017-12-18 01:58 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:58 Enon: i need your explanation about the part you mentioned "phrase"
2017-12-18 01:59 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 01:59 neonat: it just means when a section of music begins
2017-12-18 01:59 neonat: but that's just a thought on that part
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: humm
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: i will consider your suggestions
2017-12-18 02:01 Enon: thank you for your time

Osanai Yuki

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neonat wrote:
01:42:877 (6,8) - there is no music here deleted
02:06:012 (4,5) - kinda underwhelming spacing when 02:06:127 (5) - is so strong i think lower distance could emphasize the strong sound.
it's weird to start the sliders on the red line 02:15:474 (4) - 02:15:474 (4) - 02:16:397 (4) - etc because the guitars hold at 02:15:358 (3) - then 02:16:281 (3,4) - is a double guitar sound while 02:16:512 - guitar starts here too tried to fix it
02:15:358 (3,4) - you can merge them all together into a slider fixed
02:16:281 (3,4,5) - can be like those sliders you ss-ed fixed
05:11:197 (1,2) - the stack pauses in the kiai differ, it's not really consistent it's 6 beats here from the start of the phrase it's after 12 at 05:19:504 (1) - humm I really didn't understand your said though, I followed the rhythm from the similar part Dailycare has mapped 03:17:666 - ?

Thank you for the checking

Dailycare

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Dailycare 8 years ago

for the S slider on 03:12:127 -
Actually I intended to give a similar experience of the previous part and I also think it isn't a bad choice. Though the drum gets stronger than the previous, the sampling sound is also strong enough. And 03:11:666 (3,4) - they can be a hint that there may be notes following a vocal at the next part.

Also fixed 03:23:204 (1,2,3,4) -

SPOILER

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173,0,203204,6,0,P|165:46|162:92,1,93.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
327,194,203435,2,0,P|334:147|337:101,1,93.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
78,274,203666,2,0,P|159:213|264:257,1,187,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
297,307,204012,1,0,0:0:0:0:

ZekeyHache

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ZekeyHache 8 years ago

hey I just came to say this map is pretty especially Enon's parts, sorry Dailycare
+5sp and added to favs!

Osanai Yuki

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Osanai Yuki 8 years ago

Thank you for the comment, ezek!

Updated Dailycare's part.

Regou

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Regou 8 years ago

quick chat :3

SPOILER

22:24 Enon: Hey!
22:24 Regou: hi :3
22:25 Enon: Are you busy now?
22:25 Regou: not really
22:26 Enon: then can I ask you to give an opinion for some parts on my map if you don't mind it?
22:26 Regou: sure
22:26 Enon: I need player-based-mapper's opinion
22:26 Enon: thanks!
22:27 *Enon is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/875945 Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0> [Revolution]]
22:27 Enon: which map is this
22:27 Enon: one
22:27 Regou: omg 260 bpm
22:27 Enon: yeah
22:27 Enon: it might be too fast for everyone
22:27 Regou: i can't really play it properly ><
22:27 Regou: by the way which part would you want me to look at
22:29 Enon: 01:42:243 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - 01:58:281 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 03:16:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 05:09:004 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 06:22:273 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) -
22:29 Enon: etc
22:29 Enon: Parts are mentioned as "overmapping"
22:29 Enon: so I and dailycare did try to fix them and
22:29 Enon: now you can see the changes
22:30 Regou: 01:42:243 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - lol this one
22:30 Enon: with the changes, i want to see your opinions about it
22:30 Enon: lol
22:30 Enon: maybe
22:30 Regou: it's really hard to sense there's a 1/2 in the middle at first try
22:30 Regou: since it's 260bpm
22:30 Enon: i am going to fix the distance
22:30 Enon: yeayea
22:30 Enon: the part was mistake of me
22:30 Enon: :(
22:31 Enon: 01:42:877 - 01:42:993 -
22:31 Enon: ive removed out
22:31 Regou: i see
22:31 Enon: these
22:31 Enon: from original stream
22:31 Regou: 01:58:858 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is okay i think
22:31 Enon: so it might seems shit
22:31 Enon: lol
22:31 Regou: it follows the music well
22:31 Regou: you can hear they fall on the drum beat
22:31 Enon: that's good to hear
22:32 Regou: 03:16:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this could be controversal
22:32 Regou: 03:16:801 (2) - lands on nothing actually
22:32 Regou: but it will play much more smoothly if 03:16:801 (2) - is added
22:32 Regou: plays*
22:33 Regou: combining 03:16:743 (1,2,3) - into a 1/2 could be one of the option tho
22:36 Enon: humm
22:36 Enon: maybe you can post it this log on the thread then dailycare could consider about it?
22:36 Regou: sure
22:36 Enon: thanks!
22:36 Regou: im checking the last two btw
22:36 Enon: how about others ?
22:36 Enon: yes
22:37 Regou: 05:09:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - changing them into 1/4 sliders might be better since sound on (2) (4) (6) is extremely weak
22:38 Regou: 06:22:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - super cool do a overmapping at the end would like to see this being keeped tbh even tho it's obviously overmapped
22:39 Regou: i think that's all for me :3
22:40 Enon: depends on how dailycare changes it
22:40 Enon: it would be awesome
22:41 Regou: changing some of them into 1/4 sliders might be safer choice
22:41 Regou: i guess
22:41 Regou: anyway let's post this to the thread first

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Dailycare 8 years ago

169,16,309812,6,0,L|237:24,1,46.75,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
263,124,309927,2,0,L|331:116,1,46.75,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
361,42,310043,2,0,L|429:50,1,46.75,10|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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05:09:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 지우고 복붙해주세요

thanks for the mod, and I'll keep 03:16:801 (2) - for now but find a better alternative talking to others

Osanai Yuki

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Updated!

Garden

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rebubbled

Osanai Yuki

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Thank you so much again!

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NICEEE

Natsu

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Natsu 8 years ago

yo

general

combo color 1 and 2 are too similar, can you make them different pls

diff

01:28:281 (1,2,3,4) - I think it represents well the music
01:32:204 (7,8,9,10,1) - this one is ok for me, since there are some bg sounds and I think the stream represents it well
03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - every beat should have the same spacing, 1 and 2 being smaller than 3 and 4 doesn't makes much sense to me.
03:00:935 (4,1) - also this should be a jump considering how strong 1 is.
00:43:051 (4) - the tail is mapped to a stanza which sounds just wrong, it needs a click action try a circle or smth
01:02:666 (1) - remove the NC, this is still part of the previous melody, instead add one at 01:03:358 (2) - since there is a change in the music
01:44:666 (2,5) - stack is off
01:55:512 (2) - there is a hold sound in the music, pls map it as a long slider like the other ones
02:06:012 (4,5) - the change on the music is on 5, but ur pattern doesn't represent it well because of how small the spacing is xd
02:13:743 (1) - this nc doesn't follows anything, remove it and add one at 02:13:973 (3) - were the change in the music happens
02:28:281 (3,4) - eh the drums changes to every 1/2 beats, use 1/2 circles the sliders doesn't represent well this change in the music
02:36:935 (10,1) - similar as before, the spacing doesn't represent the music at all, this needs to have higher spacing than the rest
02:40:627 (8,1) - 02:40:627 (8,1) - same
02:45:820 (4) - shouldn't this be a NC as the before similar part?
03:00:935 (4,1) - 1 needs higher spacing to represent the song properly
04:18:892 (1,1) - the overlap looks super bad T-T
04:44:889 (5,6) - ignoring the 1/2 strong beats doesn't make any sense with the song
05:23:888 (4) - don't ignore the triplet pls

Osanai Yuki

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Natsu wrote:
yo

general

combo color 1 and 2 are too similar, can you make them different pls fixed
diff

01:28:281 (1,2,3,4) - I think it represents well the music glad to hear this
01:32:204 (7,8,9,10,1) - this one is ok for me, since there are some bg sounds and I think the stream represents it well glad to hear this
03:00:589 (1,2,3,4) - every beat should have the same spacing, 1 and 2 being smaller than 3 and 4 doesn't makes much sense to me. fixed
03:00:935 (4,1) - also this should be a jump considering how strong 1 is. fixed
00:43:051 (4) - the tail is mapped to a stanza which sounds just wrong, it needs a click action try a circle or smth fixed
01:02:666 (1) - remove the NC, this is still part of the previous melody, instead add one at 01:03:358 (2) - since there is a change in the music fixed
01:44:666 (2,5) - stack is off fixed
01:55:512 (2) - there is a hold sound in the music, pls map it as a long slider like the other ones i think leaving it an empty is really nice even if i ignore some sound.
02:06:012 (4,5) - the change on the music is on 5, but ur pattern doesn't represent it well because of how small the spacing is xd i finally fixed it
02:13:743 (1) - this nc doesn't follows anything, remove it and add one at 02:13:973 (3) - were the change in the music happens fixed
02:28:281 (3,4) - eh the drums changes to every 1/2 beats, use 1/2 circles the sliders doesn't represent well this change in the music fixed
02:36:935 (10,1) - similar as before, the spacing doesn't represent the music at all, this needs to have higher spacing than the rest fixed
02:40:627 (8,1) - 02:40:627 (8,1) - same fixed
02:45:820 (4) - shouldn't this be a NC as the before similar part? added
04:18:892 (1,1) - the overlap looks super bad T-T fixed
04:44:889 (5,6) - ignoring the 1/2 strong beats doesn't make any sense with the song he followed my part 01:18:127 (5,6) - and i think it is fine because there are some sound existing to those 3/4
05:23:888 (4) - don't ignore the triplet pls i already know there are sounds worth to be stream on 05:23:889 - 05:23:947 - 05:24:004 - 05:24:062 - but i wanted to make 05:23:197 (1,2,3,4) - these a pattern.

Thank you for coming!

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몸조심히다녀와라 형이 기다리고 있을께

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Monstrata wrote:
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Gz, best of luck for the army!

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who is enon

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Congrats! nice work nice sb

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L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:
Gz, best of luck for the army!

thanks for the cheering

appleeaterx wrote:
who is enon

i am nanachii who play osu and map

M a r v o l l o wrote:
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Xelite 8 years ago

Very nice map! But I want to ask..
01:42:243 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why you make these streams a bit weird in flow? You could just made this stream (01:42:243 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5) ) angle to the left side of screen instead of right. If you want I can show what I mean, but I want to heard why you chose such decision..

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Osanai Yuki 8 years ago

It is really not major thing, but if I am going to explain the reason, It was for the aesthetic of the stream.

01:42:589 - and you could hear some changes of music is happened at here. As the song is it, 01:42:589 (1,2,3,4,5) - I expressed this stream differently to 01:42:243 (4,5,6,7,8,9) -

I wanted to express it.

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Xelite 8 years ago

Thanks for answer

Osanai Yuki

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Osanai Yuki 8 years ago

No problem

Have a nice day ~

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fartownik 8 years ago

01:42:935 (6,1) - what is this
04:32:197 (1,2,1) - ^

you dont do that while the streams are this intense, they're supposed to be easy to read and intuitive to click, right now they're not

At 01:42:935 (6,1) - there's not a single thing pointing out that there should be a 1/4 slider in the music, it's confusing. It's just a continuous 1/4 stream in the music, and that's how it should be mapped. This pattern makes no sense at the moment. Replace 01:42:819 (5) - with a repeating slider with 3 repeats and delete 01:42:935 (6), snap correctly with proper spacing, my suggestion (the way to fix is just a suggestion but this has to be fixed nonetheless).

Also the clap hitsound at 01:42:589 (1) - is weird, it should be at the previous white tick 01:42:358 (6) -

Same here 01:43:166 (3) - why would you place a clap at the red tick instead white tick 01:42:819 (5,5) - as you did before?

04:30:927 (1,2) - Looks like you kinda run out of ideas to map this part. Honestly it doesn't fit the music at all, listen in 25%/50%. The music has a static beat that can be easily emphasized with 1/4 sliders (although that would be kinda hard to play). For starters, 04:30:927 (1) - should not be a part of a new combo, it's still a part of the previous pattern, making it a new combo is very confusing as it belongs to the previous section in the music.

The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped.

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squishyguppy 8 years ago

^no

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Lanturn 8 years ago

Since the song has a reflec beat version, it means the song is featured in the game as part of it. This would be like a full sized anime opening. We still use the source it appears on, even if its not the version that is directly on the game.

Appearances:
REFLEC BEAT limelight (Recommended as source)
jubeat plus
REFLEC BEAT plus (The sources above cover this, so no need to add this into the tags)

*EDIT* Also add Konami to the tags please.

The IMAGE MATERIAL part in the SB at the beginning should show up a bit earlier imo. You barely get any time to read it.
You could also add more at the start of the break like:
"Tatsh", "IMAGE MATERIAL", Beatmap by Names" or "SB by name" fading in separately in this break. You already have a cool setup for it with the white fading over, so additional info on the map would be cool

fartownik did mention 01:42:589 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - but there's nothing in the music to support a stream there at all. (01:42:647 - may be an exception, but it isn't that loud tbh) 01:43:108 (2) - also. All in all, this is pretty overmapped. This should follow the drums exclusively and avoid capturing any other minor sounds.
This should be mapped more like how you mapped 02:59:666 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - though it is a bit different.

04:32:427 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This whole stream section. The guitar actually slows down at this point and the drums don't even play as much here. Guitar Strums are all 1/2 at this timing. It just feels off when the part before it should be emphasized more than this here.

Anyways. Just some things I noticed from doing metadata and looking at fartownik's suggestions.

Last edited by Lanturn 8 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

squishyguppy

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squishyguppy 8 years ago

fartownik wrote:
01:42:935 (6,1) - what is this
04:32:197 (1,2,1) - ^

you dont do that while the streams are this intense, they're supposed to be easy to read and intuitive to click, right now they're not they are easy to read for me and most players who will approach this map, this isn't a valid issue.

At 01:42:935 (6,1) - there's not a single thing pointing out that there should be a 1/4 slider in the music, it's confusing. It's just a continuous 1/4 stream in the music, and that's how it should be mapped. This pattern makes no sense at the moment. Replace 01:42:819 (5) - with a repeating slider with 3 repeats and delete 01:42:935 (6), snap correctly with proper spacing, my suggestion (the way to fix is just a suggestion but this has to be fixed nonetheless). there is a drum beat a 01:42:935 (6) - indicating there should be a click, and then there is a consistent held sound in the music during this point so a slider is acceptable, only reason 5 isn't a slider is because sliders require slightly more stress and ending on a circle for that stream resets the clicking/mouse tension to help reset for the next stream

Also the clap hitsound at 01:42:589 (1) - is weird, it should be at the previous white tick 01:42:358 (6) - the hitsound at 01:42:589 (1) - is accurate to the music.

Same here 01:43:166 (3) - why would you place a clap at the red tick instead white tick 01:42:819 (5,5) - as you did before? the hitsound at 01:43:166 (3) - is appropriate to the music.

04:30:927 (1,2) - Looks like you kinda run out of ideas to map this part. Honestly it doesn't fit the music at all, listen in 25%/50%. The music has a static beat that can be easily emphasized with 1/4 sliders (although that would be kinda hard to play). For starters, 04:30:927 (1) - should not be a part of a new combo, it's still a part of the previous pattern, making it a new combo is very confusing as it belongs to the previous section in the music. I disagree,
its clear to me that NCing has been used to represent symmetrical arrangements similar like 04:27:812 (1,2) - 04:29:658 (1,2) - 04:30:581 (1,2,3) - 04:30:927 (1,2) - second of all its insulting/rude to tell a mapper they ran out of ideas when most of the stuff you say is incredibly outdated. Also I did listen at 25% and for the most part the rhythms in this section are fairly close to the actual music, and for ranking standards this is nonissue.

The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped. shut the fuck up and stop being a rude little bitch

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fartownik 8 years ago

Meat Inspector wrote:
shut the fuck up and stop being a rude little bitch

Literally stopped caring about anything you said in that post after reading this.

Hopefully someone with actual mapping knowledge will check what I wrote.

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Natsu 8 years ago

ah I hope Enon can address your concerns in time, he is going to army in like 1 or 2 day? I think

anyways Enon if you want to apply anything, you can call me anytime

@fartownik would be cool if you can explain this better (so Enon can have a better idea of what's your issue with it):

The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped.

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pkhg 8 years ago

that meat guy isnt even the mapper why is he replying lmao

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Irreversible 8 years ago

管你小眾大眾我呸
管你是小清新是重口味我呸
管你是那一類甲蟲我呸
我呸　都呸　都Play

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Natsu 8 years ago

Irreversible wrote:
管你小眾大眾我呸
管你是小清新是重口味我呸
管你是那一類甲蟲我呸
我呸　都呸　都Play

You are a minority public I 呸
Tube is a small fresh taste is my taste
You are the type of beetle I 管
I 呸都呸都 Play

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Lanturn 8 years ago

Glad I wasn't the only one who google translated that.

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pkhg 8 years ago

didnt expected to see overmap in this kind of song 👀

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fartownik 8 years ago

Natsu wrote:
ah I hope Enon can address your concerns in time, he is going to army in like 1 or 2 day? I think

anyways Enon if you want to apply anything, you can call me anytime

@fartownik would be cool if you can explain this better (so Enon can have a better idea of what's your issue with it):

The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped.

I will try to explain as deep as possible, but it's hard, the section is just super inconsistent all around.

Compare the first part to 04:32:427 (1) and you will see that they're noticably different (in quality especially), while there's not much differnce in the music. I understand that Enon may have tried to kick off the section with some easy sliders to get the player ready for the upcoming stream part, but it just made it more confusing.

Try looking at it like this: delete the whole section starting from 04:30:581 (1) and ending at 04:32:427 (1), then copy-paste this 04:32:427 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) section to its place and adjust hitsounds accordingly. You will see that it's virtually the same beat with some minor guitar changes that SHOULD NOT be emphasized so much with sliders because they break the intuitivity of the part. The way I just did it makes it both perfectly intuitive to play and follows the music. That part is basically a giant stream with some 1/4 breaks.

If you don't want to map it as a giant stream (which I don't encourage, it's gonna be super hard, unless you aim for it), I'd suggest mapping half of this part with just 1/4 repeat sliders and then introduce the stream in the second part of the guitar solo.

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fartownik 8 years ago

Also I will show you a clip of Rafis playing this map for the first time. I had the exact same reaction when playing it 2 days ago for the first time.

First part: https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyPopularMoonTheRinger

Second part: https://clips.twitch.tv/KindDeliciousFrogDoritosChip

If the 2nd player in the ranking, a speed player, is not a good enough of an example while playing the map for the first time then I don't know who would be better.

By the way, the map is good overall, I prefer it than Scorpiour's version myself. I just don't want to see another good map get ruined by one bad part in a crucial place of the map.

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squishyguppy 8 years ago

someone better at reading like GN- or rustbell

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Monstrata 8 years ago

Grats on qualify~ simple storyboard but very well executed ^^

Osanai Yuki

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Osanai Yuki 8 years ago

Thank you for the posting.

Since I haven't read the posts yet at all, please wait my response until I address the concerns.

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fartownik 8 years ago

Meat Inspector wrote:
someone better at reading like GN- or rustbell

ok then so you need supreme reading for a 0.10ms part in a 6 minutes long map, because the rest of the map is perfectly readable for a 'regular' player, makes sense

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Osanai Yuki 7 years ago

fartownik wrote:
01:42:935 (6,1) - what is this

At 01:42:935 (6,1) - there's not a single thing pointing out that there should be a 1/4 slider in the music, it's confusing. It's just a continuous 1/4 stream in the music, and that's how it should be mapped. This pattern makes no sense at the moment. Replace 01:42:819 (5) - with a repeating slider with 3 repeats and delete 01:42:935 (6), snap correctly with proper spacing, my suggestion (the way to fix is just a suggestion but this has to be fixed nonetheless).

I was worrying about how I am going to map on this part. Since I really had no idea to do it, I have tried many ways to map it. A small spaced 1/2 pattern, An 1/2 jump, etc........... and I finally found a way to map it, that's the current way. Current way is filling the empty of 01:42:993 - more than I map it as 1/2s. If you ask why 01:42:935 (6) - should be supposed to be 1/4 kick slider, I did believe the sound of 01:42:935 - here is appearing until 01:42:993 - here even though it's really small....

04:32:197 (1,2,1) - ^

you dont do that while the streams are this intense, they're supposed to be easy to read and intuitive to click, right now they're not

If every map is supposed to be easy to play on first try as you referenced, there would be lots of map should be disqualified. Some patterns might be really hard on first try. but, that doesn't mean it should be that easy at all.

I would like to say I want to keep the patterns even if the patterns are not really playable. Because it's supposed to be a really hard map since it's 260 bpm stream map and it's even a 7* map.

Even if a digit player feels hard to play it, I think that's reasonable.

Also the clap hitsound at 01:42:589 (1) - is weird, it should be at the previous white tick 01:42:358 (6) -

Same here 01:43:166 (3) - why would you place a clap at the red tick instead white tick 01:42:819 (5,5) - as you did before?

About the hitsounds, you can hear a common thing on the parts 01:42:589 (1) - 01:42:819 (5,5) - 01:43:166 - you've mentioned which is a really strong sound in the music. I want to emphasize the strong sound.

04:30:927 (1,2) - Looks like you kinda run out of ideas to map this part. Honestly it doesn't fit the music at all, listen in 25%/50%. The music has a static beat that can be easily emphasized with 1/4 sliders (although that would be kinda hard to play). For starters, 04:30:927 (1) - should not be a part of a new combo, it's still a part of the previous pattern, making it a new combo is very confusing as it belongs to the previous section in the music.

humm, I don't think both parts 04:30:581 (1,2,3) - and 04:30:927 (1,2) - are same. I think Dailycare did aim those are supposed to be differently?

The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped.

This kind of saying doesn't make a manner to the mapper in my opinions. Imagine that someone says your map is totally messed and should be remapped.

Lanturn wrote:
Since the song has a reflec beat version, it means the song is featured in the game as part of it. This would be like a full sized anime opening. We still use the source it appears on, even if its not the version that is directly on the game.

Appearances:
REFLEC BEAT limelight (Recommended as source)
jubeat plus
REFLEC BEAT plus (The sources above cover this, so no need to add this into the tags)

*EDIT* Also add Konami to the tags please.

I already know referencing a map was ranked in past doesn't make sense. but this mapset uses same mp3 of this mapset. and the metadata issue is seemed has been already resolved in this thread p/5280864.

Although some tags you recommended could be added by QAT?

The IMAGE MATERIAL part in the SB at the beginning should show up a bit earlier imo. You barely get any time to read it.
You could also add more at the start of the break like:
"Tatsh", "IMAGE MATERIAL", Beatmap by Names" or "SB by name" fading in separately in this break. You already have a cool setup for it with the white fading over, so additional info on the map would be cool

"You barely get any time to read it." I absolutely did aim this. It really fits to the mood of the part.

and I would like to keep current setup because people could notice the rest info about this map in this thread. and showing of the song tile only is enough cool!

fartownik did mention 01:42:589 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - but there's nothing in the music to support a stream there at all. (01:42:647 - may be an exception, but it isn't that loud tbh) 01:43:108 (2) - also. All in all, this is pretty overmapped. This should follow the drums exclusively and avoid capturing any other minor sounds.
This should be mapped more like how you mapped 02:59:666 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - though it is a bit different.

You could listen to the part more minutely, and will notice there are things to be supposed 01:42:589 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these streams. It's not overmapped and the previous part is different to 02:59:666 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - in the music.

Anyways. Just some things I noticed from doing metadata and looking at fartownik's suggestions.

Thank you for the posting. I rolled back my name for preparing the happen may be happened like disqualify in the future.

I hope my explanation makes sense for you guys.

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fartownik 7 years ago

Enon wrote:
I was worrying about how I am going to map on this part. Since I really had no idea to do it, I have tried many ways to map it. A small spaced 1/2 pattern, An 1/2 jump, etc........... and I finally found a way to map it, that's the current way. Current way is filling the empty of 01:42:993 - more than I map it as 1/2s. If you ask why 01:42:935 (6) - should be supposed to be 1/4 kick slider, I did believe the sound of 01:42:935 - here is appearing until 01:42:993 - here even though it's really small....

01:42:819 (5,6) - How is (5) different in sound from (6)? Why put a slider at (6) if (5) is a circle and is the same sound just a little different pitch? Be consistent, that's all I'm about. I know you're going to military soon but forcing it going like this into ranked is not a good idea, you'll still make it to qualified in time.

Enon wrote:
If every map is supposed to be easy to play on first try as you referenced, there would be lots of map should be disqualified. Some patterns might be really hard on first try. but, that doesn't mean it should be that easy at all.

Don't bring other maps to justify flaws in your own map. You are right, there's plenty maps that should've been disqualified/corrected in the first place but were not, not everyone can catch everything in every map, but here it's pretty obvious and I noticed it just in time to fix it.

Enon wrote:
This kind of saying doesn't make a manner to the mapper in my opinions. Imagine that someone says your map is totally messed and should be remapped.

Really no offence, I said the 2 second part was bad, not the map. The map is good. (also if someone said that to me and gave me proper arguments then I'd probably remap it).

I hope you don't push this to qualified without proper care just because you're running out of time.

It really should not be up to the mapper if this gets fixed or not, it's a clear issue and a BN should look at this.

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Dailycare 7 years ago

..Sorry for making the part a mess. But I'm not at home now so I can't check what is actually bad. I guess I really tried to do my best for this map. As you know, because this is the last map to Enon before going to army. Even to me lol. Anyway my bad part makes people's feeling bad, then I really want to apologize to you guys.

So what do you guys want? How should I make it better? Give me opinions than the words like a mess please

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AMX 7 years ago

fartownik wrote:
The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped.

When u tell a mapper that something's garbage in their map you should specify exactly what's wrong and hopefully give some suggestions how to fix it.

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Monstrata 7 years ago

fartownik wrote:
01:42:935 (6,1) - what is this
04:32:197 (1,2,1) - ^

you dont do that while the streams are this intense, they're supposed to be easy to read and intuitive to click, right now they're not

At 01:42:935 (6,1) - there's not a single thing pointing out that there should be a 1/4 slider in the music, it's confusing. It's just a continuous 1/4 stream in the music, and that's how it should be mapped. This pattern makes no sense at the moment. Replace 01:42:819 (5) - with a repeating slider with 3 repeats and delete 01:42:935 (6), snap correctly with proper spacing, my suggestion (the way to fix is just a suggestion but this has to be fixed nonetheless).

Using a 1/4 slider there is fine. It's really common in this map to see 1/4 sliders being used like that. I think if you look in the context of the stream, you can probably assume that slider is a 1/4 slider and know to have a 1/2 beat between clicking the slider and beginning the next stream so to me this isn't really an issue xP. You could argue that the kickslider is too close to the start of the stream though, and that could potentially cause players to mess up due to the anti-jump. That might be more reasonable.

Also the clap hitsound at 01:42:589 (1) - is weird, it should be at the previous white tick 01:42:358 (6) -

Same here 01:43:166 (3) - why would you place a clap at the red tick instead white tick 01:42:819 (5,5) - as you did before?

04:30:927 (1,2) - Looks like you kinda run out of ideas to map this part. Honestly it doesn't fit the music at all, listen in 25%/50%. The music has a static beat that can be easily emphasized with 1/4 sliders (although that would be kinda hard to play). For starters, 04:30:927 (1) - should not be a part of a new combo, it's still a part of the previous pattern, making it a new combo is very confusing as it belongs to the previous section in the music.

Song is really messy here... Tbh the rhythm is off, but mainly cuz the song is pretty off too. Like the note on 04:31:100 - is omitted probably to avoid shifting polarities, but listening at 50% you can hear the guitar is emphasized there too. The mapper at least tries to make the rhythm more readable through patterning. you can see the first three kicksliders are arranged in a triangle to create a "set of 3" and the next note is NC"ed to create a separation.
Rhythm is weird, but I think the way it's arranged and spaced make it acceptable.

So yes, I don't disagree with you, the section here is really messy, but imo its really hard to have a "correct" rhythm here because honestly stuff is just off,
and the guitarist seems to be lagging behind compared to the song. Like some notes are too late... but adding bpm shifts here don't make sense because percussion is on time.

The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped.

Enon asked me for my opinion so here it is. Sry it's not super conclusive. I think you should still reconsider fartownik's concerns or see if he can provide some better alternatives... but he should also accept your reasoning too since it's reasonable imo...

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Natsu 7 years ago

Enon asked me to give my opinions about these points

fartownik wrote:
01:42:935 (6,1) - what is this
04:32:197 (1,2,1) - ^

you dont do that while the streams are this intense, they're supposed to be easy to read and intuitive to click, right now they're not I really don't think they HAVE to be intuitive and easy to read, a map is also supposed to have its gimmicks to make it a bit memorable, so we need to know if the mapper is going for an easy to ready part or a tricky part

At 01:42:935 (6,1) - there's not a single thing pointing out that there should be a 1/4 slider in the music, it's confusing. It's just a continuous 1/4 stream in the music, and that's how it should be mapped. This pattern makes no sense at the moment. Replace 01:42:819 (5) - with a repeating slider with 3 repeats and delete 01:42:935 (6), snap correctly with proper spacing, my suggestion (the way to fix is just a suggestion but this has to be fixed nonetheless).

Also the clap hitsound at 01:42:589 (1) - is weird, it should be at the previous white tick 01:42:358 (6) -

Same here 01:43:166 (3) - why would you place a clap at the red tick instead white tick 01:42:819 (5,5) - as you did before?

If you listen careful to the stanza and the red tick and listen carefully you're going to notice a pitch difference on them, IMO it's appropiate to use them

04:30:927 (1,2) - Looks like you kinda run out of ideas to map this part. Honestly it doesn't fit the music at all, listen in 25%/50%. The music has a static beat that can be easily emphasized with 1/4 sliders (although that would be kinda hard to play). For starters, 04:30:927 (1) - should not be a part of a new combo, it's still a part of the previous pattern, making it a new combo is very confusing as it belongs to the previous section in the music. if this were my map I'd use 2 1/4 sliders instead of 04:30:927 (1) - but then again I think the repeat fits somehow the music

The whole part starting from 04:30:581 (1) - and ending at 04:32:889 (1) - seems like a total mess and should be remapped. I also have mixed feelings about this, but mmm the music it's really different at this part, so I suppose it's appropiate to do something different there

Anyways Enon while I agree with some of his points, I also do think they are personal things that each mapper make different, so up to you, if you feel you can improve the map go ahead and let me know I'll help you with the requalify.

Osanai Yuki

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Osanai Yuki 7 years ago

fartownik wrote:
Enon wrote:
I was worrying about how I am going to map on this part. Since I really had no idea to do it, I have tried many ways to map it. A small spaced 1/2 pattern, An 1/2 jump, etc........... and I finally found a way to map it, that's the current way. Current way is filling the empty of 01:42:993 - more than I map it as 1/2s. If you ask why 01:42:935 (6) - should be supposed to be 1/4 kick slider, I did believe the sound of 01:42:935 - here is appearing until 01:42:993 - here even though it's really small....
01:42:819 (5,6) - How is (5) different in sound from (6)? Why put a slider at (6) if (5) is a circle and is the same sound just a little different pitch? Be consistent, that's all I'm about. I know you're going to military soon but forcing it going like this into ranked is not a good idea, you'll still make it to qualified in time.

You tell it "a little different pitch", then I think it deserves to be done differently.

Enon wrote:
If every map is supposed to be easy to play on first try as you referenced, there would be lots of map should be disqualified. Some patterns might be really hard on first try. but, that doesn't mean it should be that easy at all.
Don't bring other maps to justify flaws in your own map. You are right, there's plenty maps that should've been disqualified/corrected in the first place but were not, not everyone can catch everything in every map, but here it's pretty obvious and I noticed it just in time to fix it.

I didn't bring any maps here, nobody hurts about it well. and I don't think using other maps as example is bad. because those maps were ranked while the rule is exactly same to current.

Enon wrote:
This kind of saying doesn't make a manner to the mapper in my opinions. Imagine that someone says your map is totally messed and should be remapped.
Really no offence, I said the 2 second part was bad, not the map. The map is good. (also if someone said that to me and gave me proper arguments then I'd probably remap it).

I hope you don't push this to qualified without proper care just because you're running out of time.

It really should not be up to the mapper if this gets fixed or not, it's a clear issue and a BN should look at this.

I have never pushed this map. It's fact I really don't have time for now. but that's not the reason I am not going to fix it. I just think that you concerned is fine for my side.

and A bn and a experienced mapper are saying it's fine to keep.

I noticed you have already reported this map, so it's up to QAT will come to check it.

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schoolboy 7 years ago

fartownik wrote:
01:42:819 (5,6) - How is (5) different in sound from (6)? Why put a slider at (6) if (5) is a circle and is the same sound just a little different pitch? Be consistent, that's all I'm about. I know you're going to military soon but forcing it going like this into ranked is not a good idea, you'll still make it to qualified in time.

i can actually hear an echo at 01:42:993 -, while there is nothing at 01:42:877 - in my eyes
with two kicksliders at 01:42:820 - and 01:42:935 - this moment would feel way too dense, with two circles - less dense, but kinda undermapped since the whole map is built around neat overmaps
guess the main problem of this pattern is that its pretty much unreadable, because at this really high speed you will expect 01:42:935 (6) - this kickslider to play as a circle and a part of the further stream. however, this is actually al 7* map, so i dont think that having some tricky patterns is something bad..
just my 2c tho, good luck enon!!

Beomsan

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Joined November 2013

Beomsan 7 years ago

Enon is gone
gl seriously

Cellina

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Joined March 2013

Cellina 7 years ago

he's gone instead of she's gone
Goodbye enon ;w: