Thanks,Skylish wrote:
The mapset involved changes in Kiai unification without a proper consensus between the gd mappers and owner. A re-check is needed.
Re-bubbled~! as requested
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The first session i mentioned consists of 40 notes consecutively mapped without break. At minimum you should remove the note at 00:35:791 - , but usually i'd go further than that since the session is relatively calm. For the second session, the minimum requirement would be removing the note at 01:02:294 - to separate the kiai into 2 parts.Ranking Criteria wrote:
You should insert at least 1 rest moment that is 3/1 or longer after 16/1 to 20/1 of continuous mapping. Less frequent rest moments or shorter ones may put too much strain on beginners.
Let's call QAT about thisVolta wrote:
Hello, I have concern about lack of rest moment in Kantan. At 00:23:275 ~ 00:49:778 - and 00:51:251 ~ 01:21:987 - there is no 3/1 or longer break and in fact very demanding for newcomer.The first session i mentioned consists of 40 notes consecutively mapped without break. At minimum you should remove the note at 00:35:791 - , but usually i'd go further than that since the session is relatively calm. For the second session, the minimum requirement would be removing the note at 01:02:294 - to separate the kiai into 2 parts.Ranking Criteria wrote:
You should insert at least 1 rest moment that is 3/1 or longer after 16/1 to 20/1 of continuous mapping. Less frequent rest moments or shorter ones may put too much strain on beginners. There is 1 3/1 break at 00:04:502 but yeah, I understand it's lack do let's wait for QAT call or mod
I also spotted same issue with Futsuu. At 00:57:877 ~ 01:24:932 - there is no 2/1 or longer rest moment . At least the note at 01:09:472 - could be removed or moved to 01:10:024 - to create the necessary rest time and consistency with break at 00:57:509 -
Overall i think the lower diffs can be polished more before it can go into ranked section.
Thank you for modding, you deserved itEtsu wrote:
hi, since this is dq would like to point out some things if you agree (no kudo).
[Kantan]
- 00:03:214 (4) - You could substitute this to reduce the previous notes, 00:01:190 (1,2,3) - with these three notes is enough for this diff, it also makes sense for this section, I say it for the space as 00:03:766 - this something emptied when the song follows something main so it would be essential if you add in note in así 00:03:950 - so 00: 03: 950 - to accompany the next finish and so a bit of break, you would not have a spread problem since it is a first diff. Remapped a bit
- 00:13:705 - it would be good if this note were a kat, it has more priority for the voice and the distance is acceptable with 2/1 imo But it's a descending voice, so no change
- 00:17:754 (25) - It could be kat also to continue playing the voice even to simplify the gift as it is something traveled, also reference as 00:14:441 (19,20,21) - Removed the note
- 00:47:570 - idk I think it would make more sense with the voice first in 00:45:177 (67,68,69) - instead of changing to another as it is confusing and almost certain to fail so it would be better to follow the voice 1/2 to the end (likewise in futsuu). It just a bit confusing, so it's fine :>
- 00:53:459 - I would follow notes 1/1, it feels weird when it is cut since you follow the lead voice, you could move this note 00:53:828 (4) - there would be no problem for the kiai imo. A bit remapped
- 01:22:907 - add note? It feels very empty in this section it is better to complement this note 01:23:459 (8) - you would improve the spread between diff imo.
- 01:24:380 (11) - change to kat for balance since I feel that gift is something traveled that part imo. For 4/1 space, no change
Thank you for moddingVolta wrote:
Hello, here's a follow-up mod as promised.
[General][Kantan]
- Remove -TV Size- from title as no source stated that explicitly.
Reference: 1 2 Reference from this ranked map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/130104- Kiai is unsnapped in ily4's Inner Oni Fixed
[Futsuu]
- 00:44:441 - consider to remove, since you're switching to off-beat rhythm here it would be nicer to give more preparation time for newbie Agree, fixed
- 00:47:570 - move to 00:47:386 - to follow the offbeat rhythm It's right to keep following the offbeat rhythm but I feel weird about that,
- 00:59:165 - consider to remove too since 01:00:085 (13,14,15,16) - this rhythm is difficult to catch for newbie Removed
- 01:06:711 - you may add note there, above point is a better break spot than here. Added a k
That should cover most of my concern. Good luck for requalification~
- 00:30:637 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - this pattern are way over the top for a futsuu. It's too sudden, can't reflect the calm atmoshpere at this session, and hurt the spread too much. Rearrange please. Maybe try these:
- 00:30:085 - remove finisher But it's a strong melody
- 00:29:901 - and 00:30:269 - add d According to my changes above, it will be hard for players if I put 2 notes beside the Finisher note
- 00:30:821 - , 00:31:005 - ,00:31:189 - remove Yup, removed
- 00:31:558 - move to 00:31:374 -
- 00:32:294 - move to 00:32:110 -
- 00:32:846 - add k Others applied
- 00:44:257 (39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53) - these pattern also should be nerfed considering the spread between kantan and muzu. Try:
- 00:44:993 - ,00:46:466 - remove
- 00:47:570 - move to 00:47:386 - All applied, except 00:47:754 moved to 00:47:386 I feel a bit weird if I remove 00:47:570
- 01:15:729 - it's fine to add note here. Actually please add something to closer the gap with muzu. Added some
Volta wrote:
Hello, here's a follow-up mod as promised.
[xfrac's Muzukashii]That should cover most of my concern. Good luck for requalification~
- Consider to create at least one 2/1 break. Best spot i could find is at 00:22:171 - . Try:
I made some changes here according to your suggest
- 00:22:171 (89,90) - remove
- 00:22:723 - move to 00:22:539 -
- 00:22:907 - add note
- 00:09:840 - move to 00:09:472 - ? it would fits the melody better imo
I pref removing the note considering it's the beginning- 00:49:963 - consider to remove for 2/1 break before kiai
looks good- 01:14:625 - could be removed as well for a break at the end of kiai. Also it can emphasize the finisher at 01:14:809 - better imo
yes thats true, done
I know but the song it's in the TV size so I add in tags, and Volta told me to remove TV size from the song titlexfraczynho wrote:
David: Don't forget to remove 'TV Size' tag
Thank you for modding (again)Skylish wrote:
Re-checklish
[General]
! The most ridiculous thing is that I made a correct metadata check already, but I did not check the mapset's thoroughly. Time to slap myself.why I was confused at that time
Blame the stupid extra info. input by the Chinese uploaders and ME
! Concept of rest should not be taken too serious considering different mapping channels being followed. It is just a reference guideline to judge the overall spread across all difficulties.
> Vol. in Kantan and Futsuu is too loud, consider the settings in your own Oni. Fixed
> 00:36:527 - Finishers for all difficulties? There's a weak cymbal crash. Nah, melody isn't strong enough
[Kantan]
> 00:07:815 - yes I know that this is mapped for the melody, but please be noticed that 00:04:502 - / 00:07:447 - are similar things, they should be similar (being mapped). At the same time, you form a melody phrase with 3 1/1 notes only at 00:01:190 - , same should be expected from 00:05:607 - . In short, shift 00:07:815 - to 00:07:447 - and change it to k Changed
> 00:36:527 - missed Finisher? Same as in General
> 00:47:570 - shift it 1/4 to match the BG melody and follow the consistency of those 3 notes at 00:45:177 - Ok
> 00:55:668 - this kdd sounds weird enough since the later part at 01:07:447 - shows that you followed the vocal channel. Considering consistency, 00:55:668 - should be k d (d matches the vocal at 00:56:220 - ) instead of kdd . Fixed
> 00:59:165 - unnatural miss here, add a k back please. Ok
> 01:21:987 - Finisher missing too? same as 00:04:502 - I should add this one, yea, added.
> 01:24:012 - starting notes at the mid-gate of a music melody is weird, a 'head-tail' pattern would be clearer to display the music imo. Shift 01:24:012 - to 01:23:828 - hence. Better, fixed
[Futsuu]
> 00:04:502 - / 01:21:987 - consistent Finisher across your own difficulties is required at least Added
> 00:09:656 - gap is required here, similar to the mod at 00:33:950 - later Removed
> 00:15:729 - you can add a d here to balance the pattern at 00:27:509 - yea
> 00:26:588 - kdk can be put, similar to 00:14:809 - Oh shoot! forgot, added
! 00:30:637 - I have a different point of view from Volta. I would not call this part as a calm section since the crossing over of vocal and instrumental layers are so significant that a distinctively high or low (not suitable) density spread should be performed. Although I admit that my previous suggestion was a bit overmapped for a clean Futsuu.
The current patterns seem too random, they are neither following two channels mentioned above. Applied your way
Let's try a nerf section like this: 00:30:637 (2) -
It follows a instrumental layer, 00:30:085 - is a good point for channel change.
00:33:950 - is removed for emptying a space for rest. 7 1/1 is too boring imo. Applied your way
> 00:36:527 - Finisher missing? Same as Kantan
> 00:37:999 - / 00:40:944 - imo nnn n is smoother than n nnn I prefer my way because I hear n nnn it better than nnn n
> 00:45:177 - change it to k, similar at 00:45:913 - (the lyrics) Ok
> 00:56:036 (16,17) - ctrl+G (k d) for a correct pitch flow Yea
> 01:02:662 - remove it for a rest and break Removed
> 01:05:975 - change it to k to imply the up-rising flow and intensityBut it will be too repetitive kkk :<
jk changed
> 01:06:343 - remove it for a common break, same as 00:54:564 - Ok
> 01:15:913 - shift it to 01:15:729 - , to match the vocal part and reduce a sudden nN pattern that's really hard for Futsuu level players. Yea
> 01:19:226 - d has a better flow changed
> 01:20:331 - shift it 1/4 backward to fit the vocal starting at 01:20:147 - , based on the theory of 'head-tail' again. Shifted
[Oni]
> 00:03:030 (17,18) - ctrl+G sounds smoother Ctrl + G(ed)
> 00:06:803 - remove this note to avoid any stream in the introduction part since it is a bit overwhelmed. Removed
> 00:27:324 - change to kat for the consistent drum kick Changed to k
> 00:41:680 - k d k k d ? The current version is completely reversed against the pitch flow But pitch won't fix, no change
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That should be it combining with Volta's suggestion. Call me back.
Skylish wrote:
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[xfrac's Muzukashii]
> 00:21:987 (88,89) - imo they can be simply removed since they are awkward there, and removal of notes can show a proper common break across the lower difficulties.
that's true, anyways i added 00:22:171 - dd on here cause i feel it so empty and drum is hearable here so
> 00:35:055 (138) - let's try:
Simplify the whole section screen-shot above, 00:35:055 - d for a better flow; 00:35:239 - unnecessary linkage of notes blur the vocal layer; 00:36:159 - unnatural monochrome triplet; and 00:36:527 - K for the weak cymbal crash.
Yes I agree with that, but i pref 00:35:975 - having this blank since it's such a calm section, it should be better now i think
> 00:49:963 - if you follow the melody, it is where you should also put a note (kat preferred)
lol true, idk why i didn't have it, anyways i changed 00:49:594 (1,2,3) - to ddk, should be okay
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That should be it combining with Volta's suggestion. Call me back.
Thank you very much Volta :>Volta wrote:
Spread has improved and lower diffs got sufficient break now.
Re-qualified~
and happy birthday.
Surono wrote:
bad-tom.mp4
gz, gj.