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Ranking Criteria wrote:

You should insert at least 1 rest moment that is 3/1 or longer after 16/1 to 20/1 of continuous mapping. Less frequent rest moments or shorter ones may put too much strain on beginners.

Volta wrote:

Hello, I have concern about lack of rest moment in Kantan. At 00:23:275 ~ 00:49:778 - and 00:51:251 ~ 01:21:987 - there is no 3/1 or longer break and in fact very demanding for newcomer.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

You should insert at least 1 rest moment that is 3/1 or longer after 16/1 to 20/1 of continuous mapping. Less frequent rest moments or shorter ones may put too much strain on beginners. There is 1 3/1 break at 00:04:502 but yeah, I understand it's lack do let's wait for QAT call or mod

The first session i mentioned consists of 40 notes consecutively mapped without break. At minimum you should remove the note at 00:35:791 - , but usually i'd go further than that since the session is relatively calm. For the second session, the minimum requirement would be removing the note at 01:02:294 - to separate the kiai into 2 parts.

I also spotted same issue with Futsuu. At 00:57:877 ~ 01:24:932 - there is no 2/1 or longer rest moment . At least the note at 01:09:472 - could be removed or moved to 01:10:024 - to create the necessary rest time and consistency with break at 00:57:509 -

Overall i think the lower diffs can be polished more before it can go into ranked section.

1. 00:03:214 (4) - You could substitute this to reduce the previous notes, 00:01:190 (1,2,3) - with these three notes is enough for this diff, it also makes sense for this section, I say it for the space as 00:03:766 - this something emptied when the song follows something main so it would be essential if you add in note in así 00:03:950 - so 00: 03: 950 - to accompany the next finish and so a bit of break, you would not have a spread problem since it is a first diff.
2. 00:13:705 - it would be good if this note were a kat, it has more priority for the voice and the distance is acceptable with 2/1 imo
3. 00:17:754 (25) - It could be kat also to continue playing the voice even to simplify the gift as it is something traveled, also reference as 00:14:441 (19,20,21) -
4. 00:47:570 - idk I think it would make more sense with the voice first in 00:45:177 (67,68,69) - instead of changing to another as it is confusing and almost certain to fail so it would be better to follow the voice 1/2 to the end (likewise in futsuu).
5. 00:53:459 - I would follow notes 1/1, it feels weird when it is cut since you follow the lead voice, you could move this note 00:53:828 (4) - there would be no problem for the kiai imo.
6. 01:22:907 - add note? It feels very empty in this section it is better to complement this note 01:23:459 (8) - you would improve the spread between diff imo.
7. 01:24:380 (11) - change to kat for balance since I feel that gift is something traveled that part imo.

1. 00:04:502 (17) - seria mas fun si hicieras un finish en esta nota para enfatizar la trompeta se siente mejor como la mayoría de diff, tiene un buen espacio adelante tambien.

Etsu wrote:

hi, since this is dq would like to point out some things if you agree (no kudo).

[Kantan]

1. 00:03:214 (4) - You could substitute this to reduce the previous notes, 00:01:190 (1,2,3) - with these three notes is enough for this diff, it also makes sense for this section, I say it for the space as 00:03:766 - this something emptied when the song follows something main so it would be essential if you add in note in así 00:03:950 - so 00: 03: 950 - to accompany the next finish and so a bit of break, you would not have a spread problem since it is a first diff. Remapped a bit
2. 00:13:705 - it would be good if this note were a kat, it has more priority for the voice and the distance is acceptable with 2/1 imo But it's a descending voice, so no change
3. 00:17:754 (25) - It could be kat also to continue playing the voice even to simplify the gift as it is something traveled, also reference as 00:14:441 (19,20,21) - Removed the note
4. 00:47:570 - idk I think it would make more sense with the voice first in 00:45:177 (67,68,69) - instead of changing to another as it is confusing and almost certain to fail so it would be better to follow the voice 1/2 to the end (likewise in futsuu). It just a bit confusing, so it's fine :>
5. 00:53:459 - I would follow notes 1/1, it feels weird when it is cut since you follow the lead voice, you could move this note 00:53:828 (4) - there would be no problem for the kiai imo. A bit remapped
6. 01:22:907 - add note? It feels very empty in this section it is better to complement this note 01:23:459 (8) - you would improve the spread between diff imo.
7. 01:24:380 (11) - change to kat for balance since I feel that gift is something traveled that part imo. For 4/1 space, no change

Etsu wrote:

[xfrac's Muzukashii]

1. 00:04:502 (17) - seria mas fun si hicieras un finish en esta nota para enfatizar la trompeta se siente mejor como la mayoría de diff, tiene un buen espacio adelante tambien.
   Done

1. Remove -TV Size- from title as no source stated that explicitly.
   Reference: 1 2
2. Kiai is unsnapped in ily4's Inner Oni

1. 00:44:441 - consider to remove, since you're switching to off-beat rhythm here it would be nicer to give more preparation time for newbie
2. 00:47:570 - move to 00:47:386 - to follow the offbeat rhythm
3. 00:59:165 - consider to remove too since 01:00:085 (13,14,15,16) - this rhythm is difficult to catch for newbie
4. 01:06:711 - you may add note there, above point is a better break spot than here.

1. 00:30:637 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - this pattern are way over the top for a futsuu. It's too sudden, can't reflect the calm atmoshpere at this session, and hurt the spread too much. Rearrange please. Maybe try these:
   
   1. 00:30:085 - remove finisher
   2. 00:29:901 - and 00:30:269 - add d
   3. 00:30:821 - , 00:31:005 - ,00:31:189 - remove
   4. 00:31:558 - move to 00:31:374 -
   5. 00:32:294 - move to 00:32:110 -
   6. 00:32:846 - add k
2. 00:44:257 (39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53) - these pattern also should be nerfed considering the spread between kantan and muzu. Try:
   
   1. 00:44:993 - ,00:46:466 - remove
   2. 00:47:570 - move to 00:47:386 -
3. 01:15:729 - it's fine to add note here. Actually please add something to closer the gap with muzu.

1. Consider to create at least one 2/1 break. Best spot i could find is at 00:22:171 - . Try:
   
   1. 00:22:171 (89,90) - remove
   2. 00:22:723 - move to 00:22:539 -
   3. 00:22:907 - add note
2. 00:09:840 - move to 00:09:472 - ? it would fits the melody better imo
3. 00:49:963 - consider to remove for 2/1 break before kiai
4. 01:14:625 - could be removed as well for a break at the end of kiai. Also it can emphasize the finisher at 01:14:809 - better imo

Volta wrote:

Hello, here's a follow-up mod as promised.

[General]

1. Remove -TV Size- from title as no source stated that explicitly.
   Reference: 1 2 Reference from this ranked map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/130104
2. Kiai is unsnapped in ily4's Inner Oni Fixed

[Kantan]

1. 00:44:441 - consider to remove, since you're switching to off-beat rhythm here it would be nicer to give more preparation time for newbie Agree, fixed
2. 00:47:570 - move to 00:47:386 - to follow the offbeat rhythm It's right to keep following the offbeat rhythm but I feel weird about that,
   
3. 00:59:165 - consider to remove too since 01:00:085 (13,14,15,16) - this rhythm is difficult to catch for newbie Removed
4. 01:06:711 - you may add note there, above point is a better break spot than here. Added a k

[Futsuu]

1. 00:30:637 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - this pattern are way over the top for a futsuu. It's too sudden, can't reflect the calm atmoshpere at this session, and hurt the spread too much. Rearrange please. Maybe try these:
   
   1. 00:30:085 - remove finisher But it's a strong melody
   2. 00:29:901 - and 00:30:269 - add d According to my changes above, it will be hard for players if I put 2 notes beside the Finisher note
   3. 00:30:821 - , 00:31:005 - ,00:31:189 - remove Yup, removed
   4. 00:31:558 - move to 00:31:374 -
   5. 00:32:294 - move to 00:32:110 -
   6. 00:32:846 - add k Others applied
2. 00:44:257 (39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53) - these pattern also should be nerfed considering the spread between kantan and muzu. Try:
   
   1. 00:44:993 - ,00:46:466 - remove
   2. 00:47:570 - move to 00:47:386 - All applied, except 00:47:754 moved to 00:47:386 I feel a bit weird if I remove 00:47:570
3. 01:15:729 - it's fine to add note here. Actually please add something to closer the gap with muzu. Added some

That should cover most of my concern. Good luck for requalification~

Volta wrote:

Hello, here's a follow-up mod as promised.

[xfrac's Muzukashii]

1. Consider to create at least one 2/1 break. Best spot i could find is at 00:22:171 - . Try:
   
   1. 00:22:171 (89,90) - remove
   2. 00:22:723 - move to 00:22:539 -
   3. 00:22:907 - add note
   I made some changes here according to your suggest
2. 00:09:840 - move to 00:09:472 - ? it would fits the melody better imo
   I pref removing the note considering it's the beginning
3. 00:49:963 - consider to remove for 2/1 break before kiai
   looks good
4. 01:14:625 - could be removed as well for a break at the end of kiai. Also it can emphasize the finisher at 01:14:809 - better imo
   yes thats true, done

That should cover most of my concern. Good luck for requalification~

xfraczynho wrote:

David: Don't forget to remove 'TV Size' tag

Skylish wrote:

Re-checklish

[General]

! The most ridiculous thing is that I made a correct metadata check already, but I did not check the mapset's thoroughly. Time to slap myself.

why I was confused at that time

Blame the stupid extra info. input by the Chinese uploaders and ME

! Concept of rest should not be taken too serious considering different mapping channels being followed. It is just a reference guideline to judge the overall spread across all difficulties.

> Vol. in Kantan and Futsuu is too loud, consider the settings in your own Oni. Fixed

> 00:36:527 - Finishers for all difficulties? There's a weak cymbal crash. Nah, melody isn't strong enough

[Kantan]

> 00:07:815 - yes I know that this is mapped for the melody, but please be noticed that 00:04:502 - / 00:07:447 - are similar things, they should be similar (being mapped). At the same time, you form a melody phrase with 3 1/1 notes only at 00:01:190 - , same should be expected from 00:05:607 - . In short, shift 00:07:815 - to 00:07:447 - and change it to k Changed

> 00:36:527 - missed Finisher? Same as in General

> 00:47:570 - shift it 1/4 to match the BG melody and follow the consistency of those 3 notes at 00:45:177 - Ok

> 00:55:668 - this kdd sounds weird enough since the later part at 01:07:447 - shows that you followed the vocal channel. Considering consistency, 00:55:668 - should be k d (d matches the vocal at 00:56:220 - ) instead of kdd . Fixed

> 00:59:165 - unnatural miss here, add a k back please. Ok

> 01:21:987 - Finisher missing too? same as 00:04:502 - I should add this one, yea, added.

> 01:24:012 - starting notes at the mid-gate of a music melody is weird, a 'head-tail' pattern would be clearer to display the music imo. Shift 01:24:012 - to 01:23:828 - hence. Better, fixed

[Futsuu]

> 00:04:502 - / 01:21:987 - consistent Finisher across your own difficulties is required at least Added

> 00:09:656 - gap is required here, similar to the mod at 00:33:950 - later Removed

> 00:15:729 - you can add a d here to balance the pattern at 00:27:509 - yea

> 00:26:588 - kdk can be put, similar to 00:14:809 - Oh shoot! forgot, added

! 00:30:637 - I have a different point of view from Volta. I would not call this part as a calm section since the crossing over of vocal and instrumental layers are so significant that a distinctively high or low (not suitable) density spread should be performed. Although I admit that my previous suggestion was a bit overmapped for a clean Futsuu.

The current patterns seem too random, they are neither following two channels mentioned above. Applied your way

Let's try a nerf section like this: 00:30:637 (2) -


It follows a instrumental layer, 00:30:085 - is a good point for channel change.

00:33:950 - is removed for emptying a space for rest. 7 1/1 is too boring imo. Applied your way

> 00:36:527 - Finisher missing? Same as Kantan

> 00:37:999 - / 00:40:944 - imo nnn n is smoother than n nnn I prefer my way because I hear n nnn it better than nnn n

> 00:45:177 - change it to k, similar at 00:45:913 - (the lyrics) Ok

> 00:56:036 (16,17) - ctrl+G (k d) for a correct pitch flow Yea

> 01:02:662 - remove it for a rest and break Removed

> 01:05:975 - change it to k to imply the up-rising flow and intensity But it will be too repetitive kkk :<
jk changed

> 01:06:343 - remove it for a common break, same as 00:54:564 - Ok

> 01:15:913 - shift it to 01:15:729 - , to match the vocal part and reduce a sudden nN pattern that's really hard for Futsuu level players. Yea

> 01:19:226 - d has a better flow changed

> 01:20:331 - shift it 1/4 backward to fit the vocal starting at 01:20:147 - , based on the theory of 'head-tail' again. Shifted

[Oni]

> 00:03:030 (17,18) - ctrl+G sounds smoother Ctrl + G(ed)

> 00:06:803 - remove this note to avoid any stream in the introduction part since it is a bit overwhelmed. Removed

> 00:27:324 - change to kat for the consistent drum kick Changed to k

> 00:41:680 - k d k k d ? The current version is completely reversed against the pitch flow But pitch won't fix, no change

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That should be it combining with Volta's suggestion. Call me back.

Skylish wrote:

Re-checklish

[xfrac's Muzukashii]

> 00:21:987 (88,89) - imo they can be simply removed since they are awkward there, and removal of notes can show a proper common break across the lower difficulties.
that's true, anyways i added 00:22:171 - dd on here cause i feel it so empty and drum is hearable here so
> 00:35:055 (138) - let's try:



Simplify the whole section screen-shot above, 00:35:055 - d for a better flow; 00:35:239 - unnecessary linkage of notes blur the vocal layer; 00:36:159 - unnatural monochrome triplet; and 00:36:527 - K for the weak cymbal crash.
Yes I agree with that, but i pref 00:35:975 - having this blank since it's such a calm section, it should be better now i think
> 00:49:963 - if you follow the melody, it is where you should also put a note (kat preferred)
lol true, idk why i didn't have it, anyways i changed 00:49:594 (1,2,3) - to ddk, should be okay
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That should be it combining with Volta's suggestion. Call me back.

Volta wrote:

Spread has improved and lower diffs got sufficient break now.

Re-qualified~
and happy birthday.

Surono wrote:

bad-tom.mp4

gz, gj.