frukoyurdakul wrote:

Small IRC on minor SV changes at Muzukashii

14:33 frukoyurdakul: yolo
14:34 frukoyurdakul: on sky delta do you want to change anything else?
14:34 Nishizumi: wassup
14:34 Nishizumi: seems no change anything
14:34 Nishizumi: maybe
14:34 Nishizumi: lol
14:34 frukoyurdakul: good, thanks :3
14:34 frukoyurdakul: hmm, do a quick check then i'm about to bubble
14:34 Nishizumi: :3
14:34 Nishizumi: sure
14:35 frukoyurdakul: ye im waiting
14:35 Nishizumi: xDD
14:36 frukoyurdakul: just want to mention something
14:36 frukoyurdakul: 0n muzukashii, 00:53:913 - this SV change looks a bit harsh to me
14:37 Nishizumi: or it looks too fast for muzu?
14:37 frukoyurdakul: yeah the increase seems too much
14:37 frukoyurdakul: you can increase 00:47:913 - this value and adjust the rest of it
14:37 frukoyurdakul: like 0.85x here
14:37 frukoyurdakul: 00:53:913 - 0.9
14:37 frukoyurdakul: 00:54:185 - 0.95
14:37 frukoyurdakul: 00:54:322 - 0.975
14:38 frukoyurdakul: (yes, the editor accepts the 0.975 it just rounds it)
14:38 Nishizumi: better to change 00:47:913 - 0.85x
14:38 frukoyurdakul: yeah I said that to
14:38 frukoyurdakul: too*
14:38 Nishizumi: 00:53:913 - 0.91x
14:38 frukoyurdakul: why 91?
14:38 Nishizumi: 00:54:185 - 0.94
14:39 Nishizumi: and the triplet inreases 0.3x each notes
14:39 Nishizumi: xD
14:39 frukoyurdakul: let me test it but it doesn't sound smooth
14:39 Nishizumi: test it, it looks smooth here
14:40 frukoyurdakul: 00:53:913 (5,6) - if you want a smooth approach these should differenciate 0.6
14:40 frukoyurdakul: not 0.3
14:40 frukoyurdakul: they're 1/1 and 00:54:185 (6,7) - those two are 1/2
14:40 frukoyurdakul: while the SV increase is both 0.3
14:40 frukoyurdakul: 00:53:913 - make this 0.88x and we're good to go
14:41 Nishizumi: i mean, 0.85x > 0.91x > 0.94x > 0.97x > 1.00x
14:41 frukoyurdakul: update and I'll look
14:42 frukoyurdakul: it'll be the best way
14:42 Nishizumi: okay
14:42 Nishizumi: yeah
14:42 Nishizumi: done
14:43 frukoyurdakul: okay yeah looks better
14:43 Nishizumi: xD
14:43 frukoyurdakul: anything else you want to change?
14:43 Nishizumi: nothing
14:43 Nishizumi: except you mention again
14:44 frukoyurdakul: umm
14:44 frukoyurdakul: why did you use 1.30 SV on muzu?
14:44 Nishizumi: my bad..
14:44 frukoyurdakul: remember to snap the sliders too
14:45 frukoyurdakul: since they'll unsnap after the change
14:45 Nishizumi: i think i don't use any slider here
14:45 Nishizumi: maybe fix bpm changes onlyh
14:45 Nishizumi: only
14:46 Nishizumi: i mean on sv transition
14:46 frukoyurdakul: I believe they'll stay the same
14:46 Nishizumi: or keep it wdy think?
14:46 frukoyurdakul: since you only changed the base SV
14:47 Nishizumi: okay
14:47 Nishizumi: so updating
14:48 Nishizumi: updated
14:49 frukoyurdakul: looks good
14:49 Nishizumi:
14:50 frukoyurdakul: ah
14:50 frukoyurdakul: one last thing
14:51 frukoyurdakul: futsuu HP = 6
14:51 frukoyurdakul: noticed now sorry
14:51 Nishizumi: smh my bad
14:51 Nishizumi: lol me too
14:51 frukoyurdakul: okay nice

Bubbled!

Surono wrote:

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Chromoxx wrote:

01:38:065 - why doesn't the kiai end here? the whole spinner is basically a calm fadeout.....

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Well hello there. Nice map!

01:38:201 - End the kiai here maybe, since the intensity of the song is lowering down. i agree, but this spinner is also interesting to be bright so i do when players hit the big don like he turns off the lamp of bar

Surono wrote:

so the concern its about the purpose of kiai usages? ok I would give optional for this. 00:45:867 - since in here is weak flows so 01:27:292 - this end of kiai can be moved to 01:29:201 - here, because it could be give a differences between first kiai to second and third kiai yeah since second and third kiai are still well flows than first kiai that has low flows makes sense. but there's big kat, who does more fit to be "turn on" rather than "turn off" the light of kiai. so i'll keep my effect here. about this effect is rankable or not, i don't know =w= let's wait what qat will say

and then

RC:
Kiai time should only be used for the chorus or emphasized parts of a song. Kiai flashes/short kiais are discouraged for several reasons: they disturb the gameplay experience especially on low-end PC users, and can cause trouble for epileptic users. i know it's only used for it, but "disturb the gameplay experience especially on low-end PC users"? i'm low-mid end pc user but i don't feel bothered about this, and that light is not dazzling and very short.

01:29:201 - ~ 01:29:269 - and then entering 01:29:474 - this, my laptop fine and well almost 2018 use reason sense still works? let QAT decided it i don't know this is rankable or not, but i believe someday this would be a new meta mapping xDD return to first point, let's wait what qat will say xDDD

I expecting this would be fixed, just an half day being qualified tho.

Nishizumi wrote:

Surono wrote:

so the concern its about the purpose of kiai usages? ok I would give optional for this. 00:45:867 - since in here is weak flows so 01:27:292 - this end of kiai can be moved to 01:29:201 - here, because it could be give a differences between first kiai to second and third kiai yeah since second and third kiai are still well flows than first kiai that has low flows makes sense. but there's big kat, who does more fit to be "turn on" rather than "turn off" the light of kiai. so i'll keep my effect here. about this effect is rankable or not, i don't know =w= let's wait what qat will say
then it seems you "agreed" this but you rather like to being Subjectively with this, its good way if that big kat emphasized with end of 2nd kiai like 01:42:565 - you did here then start to enter 3rd kiai, yeah I meant your current concept really good tho.. the pippidon/flashes 01:27:292 - start to be off then you wanted 01:29:201 - shock effects in here.. yaaa this 01:29:474 - when continue to here really imo the flashes kiai doesnt really give a strong feeling with this thingy, even it feels nothing with costume skin unless the players are using default skin. im not forcing you to accept this and at all up to you, your map. I just tried to be more spesific with my reasoning about the differences emphasis of kiais, the weak ones and both of part those arent weak. kiai suppossed to emphasized chorus/a part of song right?
SVs already enough to give smth epic gameplay

i don't know, hmmm. thanks for checking anyway im rechecking this b4 cuz I take my responsible as the last user who icond your map. yeah yw tho

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

The music from 01:38:201 - onward is relatively calm, so it would be better to end the kiai there and lower the volume of the spinner to about 80%, like you did previously at 00:45:867 - to show the intensity difference. You may also make 01:27:292 - this part softer as well in order not to overpower the background siren-like sound.

In addition, the kiai flash at 01:29:201 - seems to be a bit unnecessary as the kiai appears 1/1 quickly after. The loud sound could already be emphasized using an increase of SV without the frequent toggling.

Feel free to tell me your thoughts about these.

• [Kantan]

1. 00:53:913 - unnecessary timing point since nothing has been mapped inside. You may remove it.
2. 01:18:565 - consider adding a green line here with 0.9x SV as you did in other 220BPM sessions ?

• [Futsuu]

1. 01:31:383 - maybe add k here to correspond the difficulty increase like other difficulties ?
2. 01:33:155 (18) - moving this note to 01:32:883 - would provide greater pattern variety in this kiai.
3. 01:35:746 - similar to 01:31:383 - , you may add d here as well.

• [Inner Oni]

1. 00:45:731 - you may add a green line here with 100% volume to end the kiai at the same spot as lower difficulties.

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

• [Kantan]

1. 00:53:913 - unnecessary timing point since nothing has been mapped inside. You may remove it. oops
2. 01:18:565 - consider adding a green line here with 0.9x SV as you did in other 220BPM sessions ? wtf after 5 days and still exist. added

• [Futsuu]

1. 01:31:383 - maybe add k here to correspond the difficulty increase like other difficulties ? oh is it allowed to use long notes? add if so
2. 01:33:155 (18) - moving this note to 01:32:883 - would provide greater pattern variety in this kiai. yep, and changed it to kat
3. 01:35:746 - similar to 01:31:383 - , you may add d here as well. added

• [Inner Oni]

1. 00:45:731 - you may add a green line here with 100% volume to end the kiai at the same spot as lower difficulties. oops

You may call me back for a recheck later.

• [General]
  
  Addition of timing points for Kantan, Futsuu, Muzukashii and Oni.

1. 01:27:292 - 80%
2. 01:38:201 - 80%

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

A quick recheck here. (no kd)

• [General]
  
  Addition of timing points for Kantan, Futsuu, Muzukashii and Oni.

1. 01:27:292 - 80%
2. 01:38:201 - 80%