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2017-10-19 18:58 melloe: 00:10:040 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2017-10-19 18:58 melloe: rhythm here is kinda weird
2017-10-19 18:59 melloe: the highest note in the series of piano notes going downward is here 00:10:151 (2) -
2017-10-19 18:59 melloe: but on the sliderend
2017-10-19 18:59 melloe: which is kinda strange
2017-10-19 18:59 melloe: while the sliderhead is a very minor note
2017-10-19 19:00 melloe: 00:10:707 (5,6) - also the jump between these objects is too large imo given that nothing significant is happening in the music really
2017-10-19 19:00 Kaifin: 00:10:151 (2) - but the highest note is on the slider head?
2017-10-19 19:00 Kaifin: there is no note piano note on 00:10:262 -
2017-10-19 19:00 Kaifin: no piano note*
2017-10-19 19:01 melloe: i hear one
2017-10-19 19:01 Kaifin: its the echo of the other note
2017-10-19 19:02 Kaifin: listen on 50
2017-10-19 19:02 Kaifin: the flow is abrupt on 00:10:707 (5,6) - because of the sound of the piano, i can nerf it slightly
2017-10-19 19:02 Kaifin: ill try out a different flow
2017-10-19 19:03 melloe: the slower i make the music the quieter the note on 00:10:262- gets, but when i play it at 100% i can positively hear it
2017-10-19 19:03 melloe: anyway
2017-10-19 19:03 melloe: 00:11:151 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i like the decreasing spacing here, i think it wouldnt hurt to make the spacing of the first two sets of sliders slightly larger
2017-10-19 19:03 melloe: will emphasizing the lowered octave more
2017-10-19 19:04 Kaifin: 00:10:707 (5,6) - this spacing is pretty normal actually for the map up to this point looking at stuff right before it like 00:08:484 (5,6) -
2017-10-19 19:04 Kaifin: i can space those a bit more sure
2017-10-19 19:05 Kaifin: buffed them
2017-10-19 19:05 melloe: yea but previously you've mapped a similar set of descending notes right here 00:06:484 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) -
2017-10-19 19:05 melloe: 00:10:040 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - is basically the same thing but a few notes less and a few notes lower
2017-10-19 19:05 Kaifin: i dont see what relation those two have
2017-10-19 19:06 Kaifin: im not sure what to say other than those are completely different
2017-10-19 19:06 Kaifin: everywhere there is a clickable object, there is a note
2017-10-19 19:06 Kaifin: in that highlight
2017-10-19 19:06 Kaifin: no other notes are there
2017-10-19 19:07 Kaifin: maybe you're hearing the drum hit at 00:10:262 - ?
2017-10-19 19:07 Kaifin: btw i buffed the spacing to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9353846 do you think its enough
2017-10-19 19:07 melloe: i hear piano notes haha, i cant hear it any other way
2017-10-19 19:07 Kaifin: pretty sure with this cs if i make them further it'll start to be awkward
2017-10-19 19:07 Kaifin: well if someone else brings it up i'll consider it but i dont hear anything
2017-10-19 19:07 melloe: yea i think thats good
2017-10-19 19:09 Kaifin: ok
2017-10-19 19:09 melloe: 00:18:929 (1) - i'd personally de emphasize this (maybe by moving it down and to the right) to further emphasize this 00:19:151 (1,2,3,4,1,2) -
2017-10-19 19:10 Kaifin: why de emphasize it when it is the loudest/strongest sound in the stream segment
2017-10-19 19:10 melloe: 00:32:040 (1,2,3,4) - if you moved this down sliiightly and maybe to the left a tiny bit, it would make the whole stream pattern a bit smoother to play
2017-10-19 19:11 melloe: feels right to me
2017-10-19 19:11 melloe: it's up to you
2017-10-19 19:12 Kaifin: slightly tweaked the stream you mentioned
2017-10-19 19:13 melloe: you mapped this 00:32:484 (1) - a lot differently than this 00:28:929 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-10-19 19:13 Kaifin: did what you suggested then buffed the spacing to the left a bit
2017-10-19 19:13 Kaifin: thats because it sounds a lot different than 00:28:929 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-10-19 19:13 Kaifin: from 00:28:929 - to 00:32:484 (1) - is mapped to piano/emphasizes the piano
2017-10-19 19:14 Kaifin: right after the stream, player needs a break
2017-10-19 19:14 Kaifin: and vocal is super emphasized
2017-10-19 19:14 Kaifin: so i switch to vocals with repeat slider
2017-10-19 19:14 Kaifin: and continue to emphasize the vocal later with 00:34:262 (1) -
2017-10-19 19:14 Kaifin: make sense?
2017-10-19 19:14 melloe: 00:28:929 (1,2,3,4) - i cant really hear the piano here, the voice is just too dominant
2017-10-19 19:15 melloe: but the break after a stream makes sense
2017-10-19 19:15 Kaifin: well if you look at the rhythm of that part
2017-10-19 19:15 Kaifin: every major syllable of the vocal is clickable
2017-10-19 19:15 Kaifin: i'm mapping to both
2017-10-19 19:15 Kaifin: 00:28:929 - su 00:29:262 - sa 00:29:596 - ki
2017-10-19 19:16 Kaifin: 00:29:818 - wa
2017-10-19 19:16 melloe: yea and then here 00:32:484 (1) - vocal isnt clickable except that first sliderhead
2017-10-19 19:16 Kaifin: like mentioned, for break
2017-10-19 19:16 Kaifin: also, having repeat slider can emphasize more than clicking sometimes
2017-10-19 19:16 Kaifin: this is one of those times
2017-10-19 19:16 Kaifin: because it comes after the rhythmically dense stream
2017-10-19 19:17 melloe: i guess
2017-10-19 19:17 melloe: when i played it it didnt feel emphasized, personally
2017-10-19 19:17 melloe: anyway
2017-10-19 19:17 Kaifin: i just prefer that feeling to making it clickable
2017-10-19 19:18 Kaifin: btw if you have hitsound suggestions please give them because i have no clue what i'm doing
2017-10-19 19:18 melloe: 00:34:262 (1) - i thought this felt weird
2017-10-19 19:18 Kaifin: Noob
2017-10-19 19:18 melloe: i have hitsounds off right now so i can focus on the objects
2017-10-19 19:18 melloe: deal with hitsounds l8r
2017-10-19 19:18 Kaifin: kk
2017-10-19 19:18 Kaifin: jk
2017-10-19 19:19 melloe: LOL
2017-10-19 19:19 melloe: but yea that slider
2017-10-19 19:19 Kaifin: its vocal emphasize
2017-10-19 19:19 melloe: that note deserves emphasis
2017-10-19 19:19 melloe: but it's overemphasis imo
2017-10-19 19:19 Kaifin: the lead into it is really obvious
2017-10-19 19:19 Kaifin: and its not a cheap sb
2017-10-19 19:19 Kaifin: because the tick is after the loop
2017-10-19 19:20 Kaifin: so the player has a ton of time to react to it
2017-10-19 19:20 Kaifin: if they cant read the sv
2017-10-19 19:20 melloe: oh im not worried about the player
2017-10-19 19:20 melloe: i just think that that vocal note is strong, but it's not THAT strong
2017-10-19 19:20 melloe: the sv is ver high comparatively
2017-10-19 19:20 melloe: theres no other slider like that in the map
2017-10-19 19:21 Kaifin: i may eventually lower to 1.75
2017-10-19 19:21 Kaifin: but for now i'm keeping cause i dont think its really an issue
2017-10-19 19:21 melloe: you could raise 00:34:040 (2) - a bit
2017-10-19 19:21 Kaifin: no testplayer has struggled with the slider or anything
2017-10-19 19:21 Kaifin: thats a good idea actualy
2017-10-19 19:21 Kaifin: i will do that instead
2017-10-19 19:21 melloe: i'm not worried about it being too hard
2017-10-19 19:21 melloe: it just felt jarring
2017-10-19 19:22 Kaifin: i'll make those 2 sliders
2017-10-19 19:22 Kaifin: raise in sv
2017-10-19 19:22 melloe: kk
2017-10-19 19:22 Kaifin: so that its less jarring
2017-10-19 19:23 Kaifin: buffed those svs and changed placements slightly to compensate
2017-10-19 19:23 melloe: coolcool
2017-10-19 19:23 melloe: ok 00:42:262 (1,2,3) - imo spacing looks a little weird
2017-10-19 19:23 melloe: maybe move 00:42:262 (1) - to the left to make it equal
2017-10-19 19:24 melloe: 1 is a little close to 3
2017-10-19 19:24 Kaifin: they're stacked on slider ends
2017-10-19 19:24 Kaifin: of 00:40:484 (1,2) -
2017-10-19 19:24 Kaifin: errr slider end and slider head
2017-10-19 19:24 Kaifin: i can move 2 closer
2017-10-19 19:24 Kaifin: but its also stacked
2017-10-19 19:25 Kaifin: i see how the spacing looks a little odd though
2017-10-19 19:25 Kaifin: i'll just buff 3 spacing
2017-10-19 19:25 melloe: hmm
2017-10-19 19:25 Kaifin: to 2's size
2017-10-19 19:25 melloe: i dont think it's necessary to stack those
2017-10-19 19:25 Kaifin: not too hung up about losing 1 stack
2017-10-19 19:25 Kaifin: well nothing is necessary
2017-10-19 19:25 melloe: no player is going to remember the exact positions of objects 5-6 objects ago
2017-10-19 19:25 Kaifin: chinese mapping style
2017-10-19 19:25 melloe: yeah i guess but its just that it's not very noticeable
2017-10-19 19:25 Kaifin: its not noticable structure so i dont mind changing
2017-10-19 19:26 Kaifin: just was explaining why it was like that
2017-10-19 19:26 melloe: ah
2017-10-19 19:26 melloe: 00:43:151 (1,2,3,4) - suggestion: make these into sliders
2017-10-19 19:26 melloe: like these 00:44:040 (1,2,3) - but lower sv
2017-10-19 19:26 Kaifin: no
2017-10-19 19:26 melloe: ok
2017-10-19 19:26 Kaifin: circles better effect
2017-10-19 19:26 Kaifin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9353897
2017-10-19 19:26 Kaifin: new spacing
2017-10-19 19:27 melloe: yea that looks nice
2017-10-19 19:28 melloe: 00:48:929 (1,2) - maybe slowly increase sv for these
2017-10-19 19:28 melloe: because the string instrument that this emphasizes 00:49:373 (1) -
2017-10-19 19:28 melloe: the sound starts earlier over here 00:48:929 (1) -
2017-10-19 19:28 Kaifin: ye
2017-10-19 19:29 Kaifin: but if i increase sv then slower slider will feel misleading
2017-10-19 19:29 Kaifin: at 00:49:373 (1) -
2017-10-19 19:29 melloe: i think it would emphasize it more actually
2017-10-19 19:29 Kaifin: i think the motion of 00:48:929 (1,2) - then to 00:49:373 (1) - emphasizes the sound better than sv
2017-10-19 19:29 melloe: sometimes lowering sv is just as effective of an emphasis
2017-10-19 19:29 Kaifin: ya i know
2017-10-19 19:30 Kaifin: i'm saying that if i raise it
2017-10-19 19:30 Kaifin: it's going to be unreadable
2017-10-19 19:30 Kaifin: and the player will just play 00:49:373 (1) - as if its a 1/4 slider
2017-10-19 19:30 Kaifin: plus since the bg sound is so quiet, increased sv would feel more random than emphasis
2017-10-19 19:30 melloe: true
2017-10-19 19:31 melloe: if you stack the sliders like this https://puu.sh/y2nXG.png
2017-10-19 19:31 melloe: i think it would better emphasize the increased sv of 00:49:818 (1,2) -
2017-10-19 19:31 Kaifin: sure, i like that
2017-10-19 19:33 melloe: 00:56:929 (1,2) - maybe change these into doubles
2017-10-19 19:33 melloe: i assume these 00:54:929 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - were doubles because they were vocals
2017-10-19 19:34 Kaifin: i didnt make these ones doubles because the constant 1/4 goes away in the second half of the kiai
2017-10-19 19:34 Kaifin: theres no note on 00:57:040 -
2017-10-19 19:34 Kaifin: the sliders help emphasize the vocal since its 2 clear more held sounds
2017-10-19 19:35 melloe: if you made those sliders it'd differentiate them from these 00:57:373 (1,2) - tho
2017-10-19 19:35 melloe: which would emphasize those more
2017-10-19 19:35 Kaifin: that is true
2017-10-19 19:36 Kaifin: you could also consider it like a lead in to that section, which is what i was going for
2017-10-19 19:36 Kaifin: since 00:56:484 (1,2,1,2) - builds up
2017-10-19 19:36 Kaifin: maybe i could make 00:56:929 (1,2) - 1.25
2017-10-19 19:36 Kaifin: so that00:57:373 - this stuff being 1.5 is more emphasized?
2017-10-19 19:37 melloe: you could decrease spacing as well
2017-10-19 19:37 melloe: https://puu.sh/y2oe0.png
2017-10-19 19:38 Kaifin: imo spacing needs to increase for it to feel right
2017-10-19 19:38 Kaifin: if i nerf spacing as well it kind of makes it a structural mess
2017-10-19 19:38 Kaifin: i would rather just buff the vertical spacing
2017-10-19 19:39 melloe: hmm
2017-10-19 19:39 melloe: well up to you
2017-10-19 19:39 Kaifin: in fact i think i will just do that
2017-10-19 19:39 melloe: it's not like 00:57:373 (1,2) - NEEDS more emphasis it would just be a small nice thing
2017-10-19 19:40 Kaifin: ye i get what you mean
2017-10-19 19:40 Kaifin: i'll change the sv of those sliders and buff the spacing by like a tiny bit and it should make a difference
2017-10-19 19:40 melloe: kk
2017-10-19 19:40 melloe: for 01:09:596 (3) - instead of making it curved you could make it straight like 01:08:707 (4) -
2017-10-19 19:41 melloe: since the notes are overall rising
2017-10-19 19:41 melloe: and it'd be like a repeating pattern
2017-10-19 19:41 melloe: very fanzhen-y
2017-10-19 19:41 Kaifin: oh did you note notice the theme lol
2017-10-19 19:41 Kaifin: not notice*
2017-10-19 19:42 melloe: hmm
2017-10-19 19:42 melloe: guess not
2017-10-19 19:42 Kaifin: the girl's vocals are curved
2017-10-19 19:42 Kaifin: the boys vocals are red ticks
2017-10-19 19:42 Kaifin: it goes on the entire map LOL
2017-10-19 19:42 melloe: what boy
2017-10-19 19:42 melloe: wtf
2017-10-19 19:42 melloe: LOL wdf
2017-10-19 19:42 Kaifin: the boy is a robot in the show
2017-10-19 19:42 melloe: ok nvm then
2017-10-19 19:42 Kaifin: so thats why i chose red ticks
2017-10-19 19:42 Kaifin: cause its more robotic
2017-10-19 19:42 Kaifin: why else would i make this slider 00:25:818 (5) -
2017-10-19 19:43 melloe: i literally thought it was two girls
2017-10-19 19:43 melloe: that sound almost the same
2017-10-19 19:43 Kaifin: also this happens in the other diffs but to a less extent
2017-10-19 19:43 Kaifin: ye they do sound similar
2017-10-19 19:43 Kaifin: i'm 99% sure his voice actor is a girl so
2017-10-19 19:43 Kaifin: he's like 12
2017-10-19 19:43 melloe: everybodys a girl
2017-10-19 19:43 melloe: fuckin goku has a girl voice
2017-10-19 19:43 Kaifin: thats also why 00:34:262 (1) - is such a big emphasis
2017-10-19 19:43 Kaifin: i am a girl
2017-10-19 19:44 melloe: we are all girls here
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: in parts they are singing together too
2017-10-19 19:44 melloe: no boys on the internet
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: its actually most clear here
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: 01:00:929 -
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: boy
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: 01:02:707 -
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: girl
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: line vs curve
2017-10-19 19:44 melloe: ahhh
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: 01:04:484 - then they sing together so i use both
2017-10-19 19:44 melloe: i see now
2017-10-19 19:44 Kaifin: brain blast
2017-10-19 19:45 Kaifin: they're also on opposite sides of the screen during hte opening
2017-10-19 19:45 melloe: why not make those sliders use both curves and straights
2017-10-19 19:45 Kaifin: so thats why i flip sides in the intro
2017-10-19 19:45 melloe: thatd be sick
2017-10-19 19:45 Kaifin: that is Beyond my Capability
2017-10-19 19:45 melloe: LOL
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: also since the show is about climbing into the abyss
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: a lot of the bigger patterns go from top to bottom
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: 00:06:484 -
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: like this
2017-10-19 19:46 melloe: fuck
2017-10-19 19:46 melloe: that show seems so good
2017-10-19 19:46 melloe: even just the title
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: and also the girl starts from the top
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: and the boy starts from the bottom
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: so her first vocal section is at the top
2017-10-19 19:46 melloe: man that is a lot of context mapping LOL
2017-10-19 19:46 Kaifin: and his first vocal section is at the bottom
2017-10-19 19:47 Kaifin: i dont really bind myself too strictly to it though
2017-10-19 19:47 Kaifin: just loose ideas that i think help tie the map together
2017-10-19 19:47 Kaifin: this show is sick btw
2017-10-19 19:47 Kaifin: really really really good
2017-10-19 19:48 melloe: holy
2017-10-19 19:48 melloe: it has a high ass rating in MAL
2017-10-19 19:48 Kaifin: thats cause its god
2017-10-19 19:48 Kaifin: any other points btw
2017-10-19 19:48 Kaifin: if you want to irc the other diffs i can
2017-10-19 19:48 Kaifin: its kind of easiest for me that way
2017-10-19 19:49 melloe: yea just one more for this diff
2017-10-19 19:49 melloe: 01:23:040 (6,6) - maybe remove these
2017-10-19 19:49 melloe: and make these longer 01:22:707 (5,5) -
2017-10-19 19:49 Kaifin: they were originally removed
2017-10-19 19:49 Kaifin: but i think the sound too clear not to make clickable
2017-10-19 19:49 Kaifin: it was really weird like that, thats how it had it
2017-10-19 19:49 Kaifin: i had it*
2017-10-19 19:50 melloe: i dont think the sound is that noticeable at all actually
2017-10-19 19:50 melloe: probably for most ppl anyway
2017-10-19 19:50 melloe: since
2017-10-19 19:50 melloe: 01:21:373 (1,2,3) -
2017-10-19 19:50 melloe: they'll have been following the violin because of these
2017-10-19 19:50 melloe: so patterns that follow only the violin will feel natural
2017-10-19 19:50 Kaifin: to Me
2017-10-19 19:51 Kaifin: it also made it super boring
2017-10-19 19:51 melloe: hm
2017-10-19 19:51 melloe: fair
2017-10-19 19:51 melloe: all right that's all for this diff
2017-10-19 19:51 Kaifin: oh and one more theming
2017-10-19 19:51 Kaifin: it ends at the bottom
2017-10-19 19:51 melloe: ohh
2017-10-19 19:51 Kaifin: on purpose from top to bottom
2017-10-19 19:51 Kaifin: They Goin Down
2017-10-19 19:52 melloe: does this shape have any significance
2017-10-19 19:52 melloe: 01:26:484 (1) -
2017-10-19 19:52 melloe: strange slidershape
2017-10-19 19:52 Kaifin: no im just on meth
2017-10-19 19:52 melloe: haha
2017-10-19 19:53 Kaifin: made it a little clearner
2017-10-19 19:53 Kaifin: cleanrr
2017-10-19 19:53 Kaifin: slider art isnt really my strong suit
2017-10-19 19:53 melloe: hmm
2017-10-19 19:54 melloe: 00:34:262 (1) -
2017-10-19 19:54 melloe: you could curve the bottom out a bit
2017-10-19 19:54 melloe: https://puu.sh/y2oRE.png
2017-10-19 19:54 melloe: nifty little blanket there
2017-10-19 19:54 melloe: that one is a bit messy but you get the idea
2017-10-19 19:55 Kaifin: did it
2017-10-19 19:55 Kaifin: looks nicer yes
2017-10-19 19:55 melloe: ok cool
2017-10-19 19:55 melloe: i gotta go now
2017-10-19 19:55 melloe: we can irc the other diffs later
2017-10-19 19:56 melloe: super cool diff
2017-10-19 19:56 melloe: fun streams
2017-10-19 19:56 Kaifin: thank you!
2017-10-19 19:56 melloe: oh wait hitsounds
2017-10-19 19:56 Kaifin: thanks for irc
2017-10-19 19:56 Kaifin: o
2017-10-19 19:56 Kaifin: ye just do quick check
2017-10-19 19:57 Kaifin: while you were modding i placed like 2 whistles and updated
2017-10-19 19:58 melloe: 00:22:262 (2) -
2017-10-19 19:58 melloe: maybe soft hitclap on the head?
2017-10-19 19:58 melloe: tbh with you i dont have much experience hitsounding LOL
2017-10-19 19:59 melloe: i just play the drums in my head and then put it on the map
2017-10-19 19:59 Kaifin: added
2017-10-19 19:59 Kaifin: i meant more does it sound fine to you
2017-10-19 19:59 Kaifin: general opinoin
2017-10-19 20:00 melloe: yea
2017-10-19 20:02 melloe: yea sounds fine as far as i can tell