MrSergio wrote:

can you please get rid of those misleading hihat hitsounds (storyboarded ones) in the lower diffs (Hard, Normal Easy) ?

Idk how the general mania community sees this, but you guys seem the only ones to ignore what hitsounds are meant to be in this case: feedback of clickable objects.
As things stand right now, the lower diffs add misleading rhythms with those hitsounds since the difference from the song is noticeable (so you can't call it "they are the same as in the song" since they do alter the player's perception)

You just need to remove the additional storyboarded hitsounds and all's good otherwise. I would rather have a reply to this from you, since I got the opinion of a couple of mania people and they seem to dislike it too.
It's not a rule to hitsound like this, I know, but I do believe we could rely a bit more on common sense (even more when mania is the only subject to this matter right now).

What do you think?

Litharrale wrote:

MrSergio wrote:

can you please get rid of those misleading hihat hitsounds (storyboarded ones) in the lower diffs (Hard, Normal Easy) ?

Idk how the general mania community sees this, but you guys seem the only ones to ignore what hitsounds are meant to be in this case: feedback of clickable objects.
As things stand right now, the lower diffs add misleading rhythms with those hitsounds since the difference from the song is noticeable (so you can't call it "they are the same as in the song" since they do alter the player's perception)

You just need to remove the additional storyboarded hitsounds and all's good otherwise. I would rather have a reply to this from you, since I got the opinion of a couple of mania people and they seem to dislike it too.
It's not a rule to hitsound like this, I know, but I do believe we could rely a bit more on common sense (even more when mania is the only subject to this matter right now).

What do you think?

The storyboarded hitsounds are a result of a bad hitsound copier. General consensus is that you should stay away from them, I've personally never seen a map that uses them well.

MrSergio wrote:

Well, the people who raised consensus with me were juan and Feerum, but I didn't bother to ask for more opinions.
Yes, I was referring to those hihats and it's not like only some are unfitting: all of the ones which we do not click are misleading.

I would be more than satisfied if you can give me a good reason to keep them, because logic tells me otherwise here. The only reason to have them is either because you didn't bother with them after copying or just the usual "it's my style" excuse lol.

Highlight a good aspect about them and I will back down from this :p


PS: other maps in general are not to.be taken as examples when explaining: things change overtime and what was good at some point in time might not be good anymore (even more when it's your own maps lol)

Litharrale wrote:

The storyboarded hitsounds are a result of a bad hitsound copier. General consensus is that you should stay away from them, I've personally never seen a map that uses them well.

shionelove wrote:

i wonder why you don't put some hitsounds on notes,especially piano in hard diffs that follows those sounds.

MrSergio wrote:

I'm a bit at a loss of words tbh...

Hitsounds, whether they fit the song or not, should represent what the map follows (that's why we need them in the first place. Go make new songs if you like adding sounds together to make them fit, LOL)


@dudehacker
Sorry to say this, but your upside aspects are literally the opposite: you're telling me that without fully hitsounding, as this map does, you, as a player, can't understand the song's structure ?.?
In this particular case the added hitsounds are already in the song, just not as prominent, so the song's structure shouldn't change that much. In general tho, this shouldn't even be the case since the song has its own rhythm, but the map uses only part of that so you shouldn't put SB hitsounds on the map to make it misleading as to what the map follows.

This sort of hitsounding is the same as telling someone ”to reach the station don't take the first road on the left, but the second on the right"
while you could just say "take the second on the right".

You're adding useless information which WILL confuse players, even more at lower levels where they can't distinguish sounds as well as more experienced players. This is not something you should throw away: identifying the mapped sounds in the song requires skill, skill that needs training, training that more inexperienced players won't have for a while.


Hitsound what the map plays, not what the song plays, otherwise you just double the audio track and what benefit is there to have a higher volume of all instruments? LOL

Arzenvald wrote:

kinda agree with MrSergio this time, SB notes are fits for samples that doesn't gives a similar feedback like in the gameplay, not something like disappearing note that plays in background.

opinion aside, to hs just simply put clap each 1/1.. this is meme :^)

edit: SHOOT got ninja'd GG feerum
edit 2: staaar, gl for requalify

MrSergio wrote:

definitely better =w=b

Some small inconsistencies I found while re-checking everything:
Easy:
00:23:516 - there is a misleading drum beat (SB again). You have a LN starting from 00:23:408 - so it's kinda ?.? fixed
01:11:516 (71516|3) - missing a clap on it? basically playing it slower you can find that there isnt any kick on this line. It might seem a little bit weird, but that is simply what the music goes. I dont wanna revise the music tbh XD. I hope you can grasp it too owo

Rest looks cool

Aoi-chii wrote:

I don't really know how I can help, but I just wanted to pop in and say I love the hit sound you added!(late I know but I didn't see the red text ^^;). Really looking forward to where this goes and hopefully this gets moved up asap!

Feerum wrote:

re-checked everything. After a little chat in discord the beatmap looks fine now.

So green light to move it again.