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updated wiki. keep in mind to wait a bit to distribute.
mfw you map std for something around 5 years and your taiko map was picked for twc
are you guys retarded lol what the fuck is this pool
that's the most of us thinking right now :thinking:Backfire wrote:
are you guys retarded lol what the fuck is this pool
Backfire wrote:
are you guys retarded lol what the fuck is this pool
what is a 7* doing in group stage lol
exactly, this is all honestly strange and some answers would be nice because this is not at all what should normally be here. Did they accidentally post semifinals?Pohm wrote:
what is a 7* doing in group stage lolBackfire wrote:
are you guys retarded lol what the fuck is this pool
lolololol scattered faith on grandfinal?Pohm wrote:
what is a 7* doing in group stage lolBackfire wrote:
are you guys retarded lol what the fuck is this pool
*hypehypehype
Rufoel wrote:
Hi. I registered for TWC2017 but according to my captain I'm not on the candidates list. Can I get information on what happened?
Rufoel:https://osu.ppy.sh/u/7178799
i try to ask by email tournaments@ppy.sh but nobody answered me
Hey that happened to me too
i ask them by email too and their reply is not helping at all
i am disappointed because i got no explanation, i dont feel like i broke the rule for the past 1 year
Some answers would be nice
Niko-nyan wrote:
Backfire wrote:
are you guys retarded lol what the fuck is this pool
that's the most of us thinking right now :thinking:
also whats wrong with the pool, 7* on a group stage rofl
Good luck to everyone who parcitipated
pmriva wrote:
Rufoel wrote:
Hi. I registered for TWC2017 but according to my captain I'm not on the candidates list. Can I get information on what happened?
Rufoel:https://osu.ppy.sh/u/7178799
i try to ask by email tournaments@ppy.sh but nobody answered me
Hey that happened to me too
i ask them by email too and their reply is not helping at all
i am disappointed because i got no explanation, i dont feel like i broke the rule for the past 1 year
Some answers would be nice
Same here
By the way can you staff upload mappack to mega instead mediafire? mediafire was blocked in china :<
I'm actually so glad the mappool for group stage is much harder this year. Players and teams in general have been getting better all-around and it's nice to see that this year's group stage won't be just another accuracy war where the results are either choke or SS tie.
Well it still kind of is an accuracy war considering how score v2 dampens misses and some maps have such demanding rhythmsJaye wrote:
I'm actually so glad the mappool for group stage is much harder this year. Players and teams in general have been getting better all-around and it's nice to see that this year's group stage won't be just another accuracy war where the results are either choke or SS tie.
Not sure if most are glad to see the much harder mappool
even if players and teams in general have been getting better 
Also the 7* map is actually one of the easier maps in the pool
True thoughNwolf wrote:
Also the 7* map is actually one of the easier maps in the pool
But the rest feels inhuman to be put on a GS :\
this is actually good to see, although low seeds team are probably going to cry over the maps
we can already see promising matchs on -already- difficult maps, and they're going to be even harder as the tournament progress
can't wait to see Japan playing 9* on match
we can already see promising matchs on -already- difficult maps, and they're going to be even harder as the tournament progress
I know where you were trying to go with the map pool and all but this is straight up UNFAIR to lower and middle seeds.
Last year, the maps for GS were easy yes but compared to this year, you can't expect any of the lower seed and most of the middle seed to get close to passing most of these maps. The maps last year gave everyone a fighting chance at least, but this is just cruel to those who wanted to play and enjoy it even if they'll get knocked out because they might as well bash on their keyboard because it'd be the same as attempting to play the difficult patterns in these technical maps.
Last year, the maps for GS were easy yes but compared to this year, you can't expect any of the lower seed and most of the middle seed to get close to passing most of these maps. The maps last year gave everyone a fighting chance at least, but this is just cruel to those who wanted to play and enjoy it even if they'll get knocked out because they might as well bash on their keyboard because it'd be the same as attempting to play the difficult patterns in these technical maps.
what happens if all players fail tiebreaker and tie with a 0-0 score? cause it will probably happen if there's a TB between mid and low seed in group stage.
do they play again with NF???
do they play again with NF???
Still Haven't idea why the map selector pick diff around *6 - *7 in GS
and yeah I'd like to see the Galaxy Collapse as the Mappol in next week lol if the Mappol has no changed
and yeah I'd like to see the Galaxy Collapse as the Mappol in next week lol if the Mappol has no changed
I agree that TWC map pool should be way harder than before, but not in this scale lol. In Group Stage we already have maps of 6 to 7 star difficulty, so most of the mid and low seeds would have a hard time handling them and could be simply thrown out. 
TWC 2017 GS = TWC 2016 Semifinals
TWC 2017 GS = TWC 2016 Semifinals
Yeah imo a good difficulty increase from one year to the next is move all mappoold up one week and make a harder mappool for grand finals (same difficulty not same maps) So groups stage mappool this year would be equivalent to Ro16 mappool last year, Ro16 would be equivalent to last year's quarterfinals ect. But as it is currently the group stage is more like semi-finals from last year. At this rate we could expect to see grand finals difficulty in quarterfinals? I don't even want to know what insanity would be in grand finals mappool with that progression, technical 11 star maps?
yo just wanna clarify something about the new freemod rules
it says that at least 1 player from each team needs to have mods on, so does that mean if the map has "HD/HDHR" written behind a map (in this case being Der Wald), only one player from the team needs either HD or HDHR on and the other two can play with nomods?
it says that at least 1 player from each team needs to have mods on, so does that mean if the map has "HD/HDHR" written behind a map (in this case being Der Wald), only one player from the team needs either HD or HDHR on and the other two can play with nomods?
Fujin Rumble and Epidermis got updated, please update if you didn't already!
Tfw I'm completely dead but I still see one of my maps in the pools
Oh boy, here we go again. 2017 Compilation incoming
i'll be following this one from a distance, good luck to all participants
Topic Starter
wiki updated! give it a bit to populate!
funny that the goal of the initial version of scorev2 was to stop people from using no finisher skins when in the tiebreaker even more people are gonna use them than before lolol
that's the truthCatgirl wrote:
funny that the goal of the initial version of scorev2 was to stop people from using no finisher skins when in the tiebreaker even more people are gonna use them than before lolol
ripScore V2 Top Ten Anime Betrayals
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Team Support Profile Banners are up for sale! http://store.ppy.sh/store/product/192
All money raised goes into funding the prizes for the podium winners. If your supported team wins the world cup, you can even keep your banner a bit longer!
All money raised goes into funding the prizes for the podium winners. If your supported team wins the world cup, you can even keep your banner a bit longer!
Topic Starter
and wiki has been updated! give it a bit to populate
wow
cdhsausageboy wrote:
wow
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the wiki has been updated!
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and again me, with another update. fancy
Just wanna say this pool is over the line and i really feel bad for the players in this one.
Just my personal perspective on this twc.
The main purposes of twc should be
A. A place for some of the best players of taiko mode to compete in a FUN and fair way
B. A place for players to watch some of the best taiko players compete
Right now, it doesn't really do these very well.
A. I know there have been plenty of comments that the mappool is way too hard, and it's unfair and unbalanced. I do have to agree with this. The problem isn't just that the maps are hard though, and that players can't pass them. The winning team is still proven to be better. The problem is that, it isn't fun at all. Yes, this is a competition showcasing amazingly skilled players, but it's also a game. Balancing a mappool around the very best players or the goal of "the hardest maps that are still passable" results in a pool nobody likes. People don't play taiko to memorize maps just so they can have a chance of passing them. They play to enjoy the game. Probably. If players are literally unable to pass a map without practicing it, or even unable to pass even if they do, it just results in frustration, and people quitting taiko. Someone I know was frustrated enough to do so. For example, HR Freedom Dive. Only one player, the #1 global taiko player passed it in the Taiwan vs Japan match. It's just... not fun. The mappool should be at a level where most players, playing for the first time, could at least pass. And that's what I would honestly prefer; if maps were revealed on the day of the competition. Then it would actually be a test of reading and skill, rather than who practiced and memorized the pool most.
B. Second, while hard maps are cool and all, do you really think the audience wants to watch people struggling just to pass, or giving up in the middle? It's not fun to play, and it's not fun to watch.
It's fine to have some insanely hard maps, for the groups that can play them. But please, also balance it with more reasonable maps for everyone else, because at its core, osu! is a game. And games are meant to be fun.
Sorry for the wall of text.
The main purposes of twc should be
A. A place for some of the best players of taiko mode to compete in a FUN and fair way
B. A place for players to watch some of the best taiko players compete
Right now, it doesn't really do these very well.
A. I know there have been plenty of comments that the mappool is way too hard, and it's unfair and unbalanced. I do have to agree with this. The problem isn't just that the maps are hard though, and that players can't pass them. The winning team is still proven to be better. The problem is that, it isn't fun at all. Yes, this is a competition showcasing amazingly skilled players, but it's also a game. Balancing a mappool around the very best players or the goal of "the hardest maps that are still passable" results in a pool nobody likes. People don't play taiko to memorize maps just so they can have a chance of passing them. They play to enjoy the game. Probably. If players are literally unable to pass a map without practicing it, or even unable to pass even if they do, it just results in frustration, and people quitting taiko. Someone I know was frustrated enough to do so. For example, HR Freedom Dive. Only one player, the #1 global taiko player passed it in the Taiwan vs Japan match. It's just... not fun. The mappool should be at a level where most players, playing for the first time, could at least pass. And that's what I would honestly prefer; if maps were revealed on the day of the competition. Then it would actually be a test of reading and skill, rather than who practiced and memorized the pool most.
B. Second, while hard maps are cool and all, do you really think the audience wants to watch people struggling just to pass, or giving up in the middle? It's not fun to play, and it's not fun to watch.
It's fine to have some insanely hard maps, for the groups that can play them. But please, also balance it with more reasonable maps for everyone else, because at its core, osu! is a game. And games are meant to be fun.
Sorry for the wall of text.
giving my two cents as well
the fact is that even among the best teams (to me, taiwan/japan are the two best teams of the game), there's too much difference in raw skill. just look at _yu casually doing very good on every map while his teammates sometimes can't even follow (quoting freedom dive here, actually that's the only map where we can see it).
from this world cup, we should just conclude that mappool should be adapted to one (or more) team instead of a few "very good players".
as a player who likes to play hard maps, i liked this mappool because it's really challenging and i'd like to test myself against the best players on these maps. but i have to admit that it's just way too hard for some players who can't even pass them.
i'm fine with having a much harder mappool in general because the past years were just too easy and it could be a matter of shitmissing/accuracy only. i personally think that:
some "sightread" tournament could be interesting though, why not, but maybe this isn't what staff isn't looking for? and we would literally ban most maps with some ninja SV/spinners because everyone would miss on them.
this is a world cup which tests the best players of each country. i admit that on the matches it rely a little bit too much on individual skill & single pass, though. to defend the mapset selectors, they tried something new this year which might not have been too good, it happens. just wait for the next year to show the same system but even better
tl;dr even if i liked the idea of much higher difficulty, every pool should be slightly nerfed to keep something somewhat challenging while allowing most players to play the map.
the fact is that even among the best teams (to me, taiwan/japan are the two best teams of the game), there's too much difference in raw skill. just look at _yu casually doing very good on every map while his teammates sometimes can't even follow (quoting freedom dive here, actually that's the only map where we can see it).
from this world cup, we should just conclude that mappool should be adapted to one (or more) team instead of a few "very good players".
as a player who likes to play hard maps, i liked this mappool because it's really challenging and i'd like to test myself against the best players on these maps. but i have to admit that it's just way too hard for some players who can't even pass them.
i'm fine with having a much harder mappool in general because the past years were just too easy and it could be a matter of shitmissing/accuracy only. i personally think that:
- group stage mappool should be moved to round of 16
- round of 16 mappool should be moved to quarterfinals
- ... and such.
- however the semifinals pool seems too easy for finals matches, so maybe a buff would be required.
some "sightread" tournament could be interesting though, why not, but maybe this isn't what staff isn't looking for? and we would literally ban most maps with some ninja SV/spinners because everyone would miss on them.
this is a world cup which tests the best players of each country. i admit that on the matches it rely a little bit too much on individual skill & single pass, though. to defend the mapset selectors, they tried something new this year which might not have been too good, it happens. just wait for the next year to show the same system but even better
tl;dr even if i liked the idea of much higher difficulty, every pool should be slightly nerfed to keep something somewhat challenging while allowing most players to play the map.
Topic Starter
wiki has been updated, by the way.
Very well structured and clearly explained, couldn't agree more.Alchyr wrote:
Just my personal perspective on this twc.
The main purposes of twc should be
A. A place for some of the best players of taiko mode to compete in a FUN and fair way
B. A place for players to watch some of the best taiko players compete
Right now, it doesn't really do these very well.
A. I know there have been plenty of comments that the mappool is way too hard, and it's unfair and unbalanced. I do have to agree with this. The problem isn't just that the maps are hard though, and that players can't pass them. The winning team is still proven to be better. The problem is that, it isn't fun at all. Yes, this is a competition showcasing amazingly skilled players, but it's also a game. Balancing a mappool around the very best players or the goal of "the hardest maps that are still passable" results in a pool nobody likes. People don't play taiko to memorize maps just so they can have a chance of passing them. They play to enjoy the game. Probably. If players are literally unable to pass a map without practicing it, or even unable to pass even if they do, it just results in frustration, and people quitting taiko. Someone I know was frustrated enough to do so. For example, HR Freedom Dive. Only one player, the #1 global taiko player passed it in the Taiwan vs Japan match. It's just... not fun. The mappool should be at a level where most players, playing for the first time, could at least pass. And that's what I would honestly prefer; if maps were revealed on the day of the competition. Then it would actually be a test of reading and skill, rather than who practiced and memorized the pool most.
B. Second, while hard maps are cool and all, do you really think the audience wants to watch people struggling just to pass, or giving up in the middle? It's not fun to play, and it's not fun to watch.
It's fine to have some insanely hard maps, for the groups that can play them. But please, also balance it with more reasonable maps for everyone else, because at its core, osu! is a game. And games are meant to be fun.
Sorry for the wall of text.
thisEkoro wrote:
i'm fine with having a much harder mappool in general because the past years were just too easy and it could be a matter of shitmissing/accuracy only. i personally think that:
- group stage mappool should be moved to round of 16
- round of 16 mappool should be moved to quarterfinals
- ... and such.
^^^^^
Im glad I didnt join after all. The requirement to join TWC is to be >5000 ranks (if Im not mistanken), but the GS mappool this year was unpassable even for >900 ranked players. I dont know what the beatmapchoosers were thinking when they made this mappool, but it ain't fun for players who cant pass them. I'd rather have players SS every single map, if that means I can pass them.
Im glad I didnt join after all. The requirement to join TWC is to be >5000 ranks (if Im not mistanken), but the GS mappool this year was unpassable even for >900 ranked players. I dont know what the beatmapchoosers were thinking when they made this mappool, but it ain't fun for players who cant pass them. I'd rather have players SS every single map, if that means I can pass them.
While a lot of players(me included) agree this mappool diff was overboard, mid-higher tier players have gotten tired of easily SSable maps in groups.UNI-Q wrote:
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Im glad I didnt join after all. The requirement to join TWC is to be >5000 ranks (if Im not mistanken), but the GS mappool this year was unpassable even for >900 ranked players. I dont know what the beatmapchoosers were thinking when they made this mappool, but it ain't fun for players who cant pass them. I'd rather have players SS every single map, if that means I can pass them.
Regarding the rank requirement, the vast majority of players below #1500 wouldn't be able to handle this mappool. However, some people are very underranked (Hydria and PING are participants that come to mind), so I don't see why they wouldn't leave registrations open for lower ranks aswell.
Ayyy but it's not difficult to get past #5000 really and there is no point opening it to lower ranks when the mappool is(ryEiuh wrote:
However, some people are very underranked (Hydria and PING are participants that come to mind), so I don't see why they wouldn't leave registrations open for lower ranks aswell.
cos then again pp is not the best metric(ry
I just think they want to be inclusive or somethingtkdLolly wrote:
Ayyy but it's not difficult to get past #5000 really and there is no point opening it to lower ranks when the mappool is(ry
cos then again pp is not the best metric(ry
Eiuh wrote:
I just think they want to be inclusive or somethingtkdLolly wrote:
Ayyy but it's not difficult to get past #5000 really and there is no point opening it to lower ranks when the mappool is(ry
cos then again pp is not the best metric(ry
I agree with you. They want to be more inclusive. But they could put it up to #3000 or something. And regarding the maps, of course it is boring with only SS'able maps, but having maps in the Group Stage that can barely be passed is a little bit too much.
you're just repeating things that have been said months ago.