It's ironic that b1rd says that when all he's ever cared about is shitting on my opinion

Mahogany wrote:

It's ironic that b1rd says that when all he's ever cared about is shitting on my opinion

From what I've seen he's simply arguing against your opinion because they contradict his own.

Mahogany wrote:

It's ironic that b1rd says that when all he's ever cared about is shitting on my opinion

B1rd is actually really polite in discussions (for internet-standards), even when his opponents raise him hell.

You are the one thats always shitting on him every chance you get, even when the discussion about something that should be completely unrelated to your political disagreements.

Even right now you try to make an ad-hominem argument, or at least i assume that you're trying for that.
You're calling him a hypocrite, even though that has nothing to do with what B1rd and i are discussing.

Railey2 wrote:

Even right now you try to make an ad-hominem argument, or at least i assume that you're trying for that.

Excuse me, I'm just pointing out a fact? That would make you the one with an ad-hominem here, friendo.

Hah, I knew it would boil down to this. You guys never learn. :p

Mahogany wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

Even right now you try to make an ad-hominem argument, or at least i assume that you're trying for that.

Excuse me, I'm just pointing out a fact? That would make you the one with an ad-hominem here, friendo.

Well if you say you didn't mean it as ad hominem then fair enough, but its still clear as day that you're very hostile towards B1rd.

As soon as someone with radically different views rolls in you stop discussing and start fighting. This becomes really clear when you say anything about B1rd.

if you were interested in rational argument you'd be way more open (like daddyvipper, for example). But instead you just flat out insult him every single time you see him. This is because you're not actually interested in hearing what B1rd has to say, you're just interested in protecting your socio-political identity by being as aggressive as you can to anyone that challenges it.

if i started expressing views from the other side of the spectrum, you'd probably start insulting me too. Even if i was very polite to you.

Railey2 wrote:

but its still clear as day that you're very hostile towards B1rd.

Hostile? Absolutely, he's treated me like shit before our political views even clashed, so he deserves my full ire.

Railey2 wrote:

As soon as someone with radically different views rolls in you stop discussing and start fighting. This becomes really clear when you say anything about B1rd.

I actually can't discuss anything with b1rd because he has me blocked, man. If more decent people with still opposing opinions like Foxtrot posted about it more often you'd see that side of me more often, too. It just so happens that b1rd is the only person here being an asshole about it.

Railey2 wrote:

if i started expressing views from the other side of the spectrum, you'd probably start insulting me too. Even if i was very polite to you.

Well, yes, of course. Do you really expect a gay man to let homophobes advocate for violence? A black man to let racists advocate for oppression? A woman to let sexists advocate for abuse? It doesn't matter how polite you are about it, it's about what you're saying.
And before it becomes an issue this isn't me shitting on "libertarians" like b1rd, this is me shitting on nazis or as they call themselves "alt-right", because that's how I interpret "the other side of the spectrum" relative to you. Even though b1rd has shown support for the same movement.

well fuck me

Aurani wrote:

Hah, I knew it would boil down to this. You guys never learn. :p

fuck me

xD

To put it bluntly, I have an assumption about Mahogany- I think he's had enough bad experiences with B1rd to hold a grudge against him, deciding to try and give him shit wherever he can after what happened in the past.

I don't know you guys' history, though, so this is really just an assumption. I think for your sake (@Mahogany) that you should probably try to lay off the insults about him as a person and instead attack his arguments, since that's more appealing as a viewer, I guess.


Also, something interesting is that everyone talks about how convincing people isn't necessarily a matter of a good argument. While I agree that good, consistent, logical arguments aren't necessary to change people's opinions, and it's probably more effective to appeal to their emotion or to be a dominant social group, I REALLY detest that kind of way of changing people's opinions. I think that logical, consistent arguments are so important/valuable that I only really want to use those when it comes to 'convincing' people, and I feel like anything else is just cheap and... well, gross, honestly.

It reminds me of something they showed on the news recently, where they interviewed someone who ran a twitter account discussing Corbyn and May's clothing (UK elections). They said "While in a perfect world people would vote only on policies, we're embracing the reality that people care more about populism, and the personality of the person being voted for! So we feel that this kind of thing is important in the modern political landscape."

Things like that honestly make me *sick*. I have a massive distate for anything that isn't relatively emotionally-disconnected rationality when it comes to politics, I guess.

In general, i'm done with the politics discussion

same

This thread doesn't look like the spawn of OT at all
It's like a different place
Maybe frozen in time from an era long forgotten

Not the OT i came to see when I first arrived, thats for sure

abraker wrote:

This thread doesn't look like the spawn of OT at all
It's like a different place
Maybe frozen in time from an era long forgotten

Plenty of not-new-generation people posting here, that's why, I guess!

You know what? I'm fucking tired of this shit. I'm tired of oldfags shitting on newfags in an attempt to make their petty lives seem more important than what they really are. This is the reason I stopped playing Hearthstone and the reason I stopped using reddit. They are both so circlejerky and are unfriendly to newcomers, and I eventually got fed up with their shit. The difference in this community is that they are at least remotely willing to let new people into their circlejerk.

Stop labeling all newfags as cancer. Some of them are, but you shouldn't apply the term like a blanket, covering anyone who hasn't been here for two years or more. Without new people a community dies, I don't even have to mention tuuba to you all so you'll understand what I'm talking about. Stop having this "patriarchal" attitude that you all have. Just because you have wasted five fucking years of your life on this stupid forum doesn't mean you're better than someone who signed up last year.

Oh dang

you stopped using reddit cause of circlejerking? not sure why that affects people so much but i can't spend a day on the internet without visiting r/mfa, r/streetwear, r/sneakers, r/nba, and r/soccer so that must be tough

johnmedina999 wrote:

You know what? I'm fucking tired of this shit. I'm tired of oldfags shitting on newfags in an attempt to make their petty lives seem more important than what they really are. This is the reason I stopped playing Hearthstone and the reason I stopped using reddit. They are both so circlejerky and are unfriendly to newcomers, and I eventually got fed up with their shit. The difference in this community is that they are at least remotely willing to let new people into their circlejerk.

Stop labeling all newfags as cancer. Some of them are, but you shouldn't apply the term like a blanket, covering anyone who hasn't been here for two years or more. Without new people a community dies, I don't even have to mention tuuba to you all so you'll understand what I'm talking about. Stop having this "patriarchal" attitude that you all have. Just because you have wasted five fucking years of your life on this stupid forum doesn't mean you're better than someone who signed up last year.

...uh

I just mentioned that the thread had a different tone since it had more 'oldfags', wasn't intending to shit on anyone

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

...uh

I just mentioned that the thread had a different tone since it had more 'oldfags', wasn't intending to shit on anyone

You might not have meant it, but you said it. The gist of your post:

RoseusJaeger wrote:

Not the OT i came to see when I first arrived, thats for sure

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

It's because these newfags are shitting the place up, that's why, I guess!

Also, you're not the only part of the problem. It's all the regulars of this thread, the oldfags. I intended to post something like this when the discussion was up about a week ago, but I couldn't.

I think the reason older users hate newer users is because of the age difference. In a game like osu, new players are usually young (13-15 years old) so if you joined this community 5 or 6 years ago, even if you were 13 at the time you'd be an adult right now which means in general you'll be more mature than people new to the game. That's why the usually childish behavior of newcomers annoys old members of the community.

Jump off the bridge haha mem Xd

It doesn't matter because it's a god damn forum; let the oldfags hate and let the newfags cause cancer and vice versa. Please.

Zain Sugieres wrote:

I think the reason older users hate newer users is because of the age difference. In a game like osu, new players are usually young (13-15 years old) so if you joined this community 5 or 6 years ago, even if you were 13 at the time you'd be an adult right now which means in general you'll be more mature than people new to the game. That's why the usually childish behavior of newcomers annoys old members of the community.

That is a good point; however, seeing as the older users were once just as cringy as they see the newer users, they should be more tolerant with them, because again, without them, this community would die. It's not their fault they were born in 2003 and not in 1995.

johnmedina999 wrote:

Stop labeling all newfags as cancer. Some of them are, but you shouldn't apply the term like a blanket, covering anyone who hasn't been here for two years or more.

...but you're perfectly fine with doing the reverse?

Respect is a two-way system.

johnmedina999 wrote:

You might not have meant it, but you said it. The gist of your post:

RoseusJaeger wrote:

Not the OT i came to see when I first arrived, thats for sure

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

It's because these newfags are shitting the place up, that's why, I guess!

Also, you're not the only part of the problem. It's all the regulars of this thread, the oldfags. I intended to post something like this when the discussion was up about a week ago, but I couldn't.

Definitely reading too much into what I said. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not that overly nostalgic about how OT used to be.

I understand that you're just taking the opportunity to have this discussion now since you didn't (want to?) earlier, though.

Tae wrote:

johnmedina999 wrote:

Stop labeling all newfags as cancer. Some of them are, but you shouldn't apply the term like a blanket, covering anyone who hasn't been here for two years or more.

...but you're perfectly fine with doing the reverse?

I never did that. I said the regulars of this thread. I can point out many people who are oldfags but at least tolerate newfags. abraker and levesterz are prime examples.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

Definitely reading too much into what I said. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not that overly nostalgic about how OT used to be.

I understand that you're just taking the opportunity to have this discussion now since you didn't (want to?) earlier, though.

I was silenced.

i think some people try way too hard in this thread

johnmedina999 wrote:

I never did that. I said the regulars of this thread. I can point out many people who are oldfags but at least tolerate newfags. abraker and levesterz are prime examples.

Yeah, and you (the majority of the newer people here) seem to have some sort of grudge against the regulars, and say that they don't tolerate the newfags. But like, when you've got some of these people who are trashposting to the point that they get silenced and are then asking why the regulars hate them, there's something a little off there...

Basically, there's a number of people making a bad name for you (us, whatever), and that's why.

Purge all of OT

Zain Sugieres wrote:

Purge all of OT

I agree!

i can prove to you that newfags are the problem!

assuming that the average age at which osu (and consequentially the forums) get discovered, you can expect new members to be much younger on average than people that have been here for 4 years.


When Blue Dragon found this place, he was 10 years old. Now he's 19 years old. When was he more cancerous, as a newfag or as an oldfag?

Older people tend to be less cancerous, you kids are the worst. Newfags are usually between 13 and 17 year olds. So there you go.

OLDFAGS ARE LESS CANCEROUS THAN NEWFAGS BECAUSE OLDFAGS ARE OLDER ON AVERAGE



(in all honesty, i don't care. Just don't be a dick)

happy birthday zain

Railey2 wrote:

i can prove to you that newfags are the problem!

assuming that the average age at which osu (and consequentially the forums) get discovered, you can expect new members to be much younger on average than people that have been here for 4 years.


When Blue Dragon found this place, he was 10 years old. Now he's 19 years old. When was he more cancerous, as a newfag or as an oldfag?

Older people tend to be less cancerous, you kids are the worst. Newfags are usually between 13 and 17 year olds. So there you go.

OLDFAGS ARE LESS CANCEROUS THAN NEWFAGS BECAUSE OLDFAGS ARE OLDER ON AVERAGE



(in all honesty, i don't care. Just don't be a dick)

is this bait

Reminder there are only 2 genders

lol wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

i can prove to you that newfags are the problem!

assuming that the average age at which osu (and consequentially the forums) get discovered, you can expect new members to be much younger on average than people that have been here for 4 years.


When Blue Dragon found this place, he was 10 years old. Now he's 19 years old. When was he more cancerous, as a newfag or as an oldfag?

Older people tend to be less cancerous, you kids are the worst. Newfags are usually between 13 and 17 year olds. So there you go.

OLDFAGS ARE LESS CANCEROUS THAN NEWFAGS BECAUSE OLDFAGS ARE OLDER ON AVERAGE



(in all honesty, i don't care. Just don't be a dick)

is this bait

no its true, thats the reason why newfags are generally more annoying.
but of course it doesn't apply the the individual and in the end i don't care either way.

Zain Sugieres wrote:

Reminder there are only 2 genders

Zain and Sugieres

i guess i'll go back to modding

Reminder that I love Zain Sugieres