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So it's Monday and once again I'm tired af, gonna skip it again.
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So it's Monday and once again I'm tired af, gonna skip it again.
Rip you
It begins
Do you have anybody to practice Japanese with? For me, the best way to learn it was to practice it with my classmates and reading (like Khelly suggested).
Anime is also a good way to learn the language
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Well I allowed myself two days off a week so I may as well have them when I'm tired (as opposed to my other two states, lethargic and asleep).Yuudachi-kun wrote:
Rip youB1rd wrote:
So it's Monday and once again I'm tired af, gonna skip it again.
It begins
Well I'm not exactly at the stage where I can have in depths conversations, not sure how taking turns saying KORE WA SUMISU SAN NO PENSHIRU is gonna be that beneficial as opposed to just writing.Foxtrot wrote:
Do you have anybody to practice Japanese with? For me, the best way to learn it was to practice it with my classmates and reading (like Khelly suggested).
Yeah, I forgot to mention that writing also helps but obviously that's a given.
If it were me, and was me, there wouldn't be any days off from jp a week. A "day off" is simply having pure fun with jp by writing random useless shit, browsing nico nico, and playing dumb sprite games in jp. No hardcore studying.
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issei no sei
Na kumikono itori
bokurawa
If i posted the lyrics right
Na kumikono itori
bokurawa
If i posted the lyrics right
Actually outline more b1rd
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What was that
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What was that
Don't just say 3/5; say WHAT you did and WHAT you learned
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Well, last lesson was about prepositions and the particle が and や, for example テーブル の うえ に しんぶん や はな が あります。
Soon I'll look at learning verb conjugations and getting a kanji textbook to study.
Soon I'll look at learning verb conjugations and getting a kanji textbook to study.
Imo at that point it's very useful to start using simple kanji like
上、新聞、花
In the sentences you see so you can start linking kanji to words
You don't need all the readings, just at least one to start
In this case its kun for he first and last and on for the middle two
If you need a kun for shinbun then two words to learn is
新しい あたらしい new
聞く きく hear/listen/ask
Kanji also makes it incredibly easy to find spaces between words. If it's 100% kana it gets a bit hard at times
上、新聞、花
In the sentences you see so you can start linking kanji to words
You don't need all the readings, just at least one to start
In this case its kun for he first and last and on for the middle two
If you need a kun for shinbun then two words to learn is
新しい あたらしい new
聞く きく hear/listen/ask
Kanji also makes it incredibly easy to find spaces between words. If it's 100% kana it gets a bit hard at times
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I've previously learnt about 50 kanji, I know the ones for ue, shita, naka, the days of the week, kikimasu, kakimasu, tabemasu, etc. I guess I might try to implement kanji into my writing and look up the kanji for words I'm using, as well as get a textbook and do a more methodical study of them.
When you write kanji, stroke order is important! but it does not have to be memorised on some large scale basis. Once you know stroke order for a handful of kanji you'll automatically know the pattern for many many subsequent kanji and be able to break them down into their constituent parts.
For example:聞く is just writing 門 then 耳
Alternative example: 魔 looks pretty complicated right? Well I cant think of an example for the top outerpart right now but following that it's just 木 twice then 鬼. To break down oni, after the little tick at the top the big fat part is just written like 田 and the legs like in 見. Then the thing ontop of that right leg is ム which you'll notice is katakana for mu.
For example:聞く is just writing 門 then 耳
Alternative example: 魔 looks pretty complicated right? Well I cant think of an example for the top outerpart right now but following that it's just 木 twice then 鬼. To break down oni, after the little tick at the top the big fat part is just written like 田 and the legs like in 見. Then the thing ontop of that right leg is ム which you'll notice is katakana for mu.
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4/5; more of same + vocab; did an all nighter so missed an hour, finish on Sunday
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So in my book I've done yuubinkyouku wa ano biru no naka desu, would something like sumisu-san wa niwa desu also be correct?
So in my book I've done yuubinkyouku wa ano biru no naka desu, would something like sumisu-san wa niwa desu also be correct?
Ever had a convo with an actual japanese person or just someone who is fluent? I still feel like this is one of the best and "healthiest" methods of practice. Just wondering.Yuudachi-kun wrote:
If it were me, and was me, there wouldn't be any days off from jp a week. A "day off" is simply having pure fun with jp by writing random useless shit, browsing nico nico, and playing dumb sprite games in jp. No hardcore studying.
BGglass a lot. Cool fucking guy. He knew lots of English and was 40 years old too.Comfy Slippers wrote:
Ever had a convo with an actual japanese person or just someone who is fluent? I still feel like this is one of the best and "healthiest" methods of practice. Just wondering.Yuudachi-kun wrote:
If it were me, and was me, there wouldn't be any days off from jp a week. A "day off" is simply having pure fun with jp by writing random useless shit, browsing nico nico, and playing dumb sprite games in jp. No hardcore studying.
The old japanese lady whose last name was 小林
My mate who lived in Austrailia as a JP person who invited me to lots of weird fucking skype groups where I had to read H-doujin outloud.
Start typing like this!B1rd wrote:
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So in my book I've done yuubinkyouku wa ano biru no naka desu, would something like sumisu-san wa niwa desu also be correct?
郵便局はあのビルの中です。スミスさんは庭です。 Or did you want to write はにはです。in which case I'm gonna have to say no.
Yeah I think it's fine. Although I'd probably prefer to use にある and にいる instead of just です. /shrug
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What are you studying this week?
johnmedina999 wrote:
What are you studying this week?
Exactly
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can't be bothered writing detailed reports at this current time.
can't be bothered writing detailed reports at this current time.
If you ever feel like practicing writing to someone in Japanese feel free to do so with me. I only know the basics, but it'd be a good practice. Or write to Khelly
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3/5. Currently about 100 pages into my exercise book "Japanese for Busy People". I'll probably order volume two and a kanji book sometime soon.
I'll write some more tomorrow.
Thanks. Once I gain some basic competency I'll look into writing/talking with people, as well as probably paying for an online tutor. Though I think I'm gonna focus on the written aspect.Foxtrot wrote:
If you ever feel like practicing writing to someone in Japanese feel free to do so with me. I only know the basics, but it'd be a good practice. Or write to Khelly
I'll write some more tomorrow.
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4/5. Spent the day revising kana stroke order, vocabulary, and numbers.
Just put myself in debt for the next two decades by buying some new textnooks: Genki 1 and 2 + workbooks, The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course: A Step-by-Step Guide to Mastering 2300 Characters, and A Guide to Japanese Grammar
Just put myself in debt for the next two decades by buying some new textnooks: Genki 1 and 2 + workbooks, The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course: A Step-by-Step Guide to Mastering 2300 Characters, and A Guide to Japanese Grammar
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5/5
about 100 pages in and one exercise book filled in.
about 100 pages in and one exercise book filled in.
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dam, going strong!
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sorta
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sorta
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BORING
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My life is boring.
As it seems I've broken my record for sleeping, went to sleep as soon as I got home at about 5pm and woke at 1pm the next day, I missed studying yesterday, but I'll catch up today.
As it seems I've broken my record for sleeping, went to sleep as soon as I got home at about 5pm and woke at 1pm the next day, I missed studying yesterday, but I'll catch up today.
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No. You MUST comment with more than just a number.
Posting what you learned will be a good idea, as it turns book knowledge into applied knowledge
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5/5. Procrastinated a bit this week so I did 2 hours of study today. I feel more motivated to study when I'm away from home and all its distractions, so I've been going to a cafe.
Writing what I've learned is more boring than studying itself so I'm not gonna do that all the time. But today I did some stuff on いいand な adjectives, and also just general stuff like putting together sentences, for example えいが は ぜんぜん おもしろくなかった です。 (tell me if that's wrong)
And before you get on my case, yes I'll learn the kanji and verb conjugations soon enough. I didn't have the money to buy the textbooks I wanted this week but I'll get them soon.
Writing what I've learned is more boring than studying itself so I'm not gonna do that all the time. But today I did some stuff on いいand な adjectives, and also just general stuff like putting together sentences, for example えいが は ぜんぜん おもしろくなかった です。 (tell me if that's wrong)
And before you get on my case, yes I'll learn the kanji and verb conjugations soon enough. I didn't have the money to buy the textbooks I wanted this week but I'll get them soon.
な adjectives aren't actually adjectives. They're nouns. な is an old form called rentaikei that doesn't exist in jp anymore. In these cases, it stands for だ. That is why it is conjugation with things like だった etc. I guess you're still going to interpret them as adjectives from an English perspective, but they're really really not. "静かな人 Quiet is person. Person that is quiet. Quiet person." I'm assuming at this point you're not used to head nouns so it'll make less sense. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Your sentence is fine but you don't need the です. If you want to be polite, it's おもしろくありませんでした。Look closely at the negative state. " なかった" This is past tense for nai. What is polite for nai? It's arimasen. What's negative past for this? ありませんでした. Exactly.
Yes I am aware that not ending such a sentence with です technically means it's ending with an adjective and not any sort of verb or copula. But I see this happen ALL the time where people end in actual adjectives. If you were to end it with a noun-"adjective", you would definitely need a だ though.
Also it's cool to note that two of your main words are ones that're like 20/80 written with/without kanji. You can basically get away with only using kanji for eiga and no one would bat an eye. Although personally I would use kanji for eiga and zenzen because the less amount of hiragana in a row the easier it is to read.
映画は全然面白くなかった for full kanji.
Your sentence is fine but you don't need the です. If you want to be polite, it's おもしろくありませんでした。Look closely at the negative state. " なかった" This is past tense for nai. What is polite for nai? It's arimasen. What's negative past for this? ありませんでした. Exactly.
Yes I am aware that not ending such a sentence with です technically means it's ending with an adjective and not any sort of verb or copula. But I see this happen ALL the time where people end in actual adjectives. If you were to end it with a noun-"adjective", you would definitely need a だ though.
Also it's cool to note that two of your main words are ones that're like 20/80 written with/without kanji. You can basically get away with only using kanji for eiga and no one would bat an eye. Although personally I would use kanji for eiga and zenzen because the less amount of hiragana in a row the easier it is to read.
映画は全然面白くなかった for full kanji.
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Yuudachi-kun wrote:
No. You MUST comment with more than just a number.
He wrote two.Allmynamestaken wrote:
Yuudachi-kun wrote:
No. You MUST comment with more than just a number.
Allmynamestaken wrote:
Yuudachi-kun wrote:
No. You MUST comment with more than just a number.
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By the way, I might do 10 hours of study this week. I'll pay out $50 if I don't meet that goal.
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Yep, I'm gonna force myself to follow my dreams whether I like it or not.
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Okay, I didn't have the money last week but I just ordered the Japanese textbooks, the ones I mentioned earlier + a Kodansha furigana dictionary, $365 AUD total.
I also decided to add some more pending actions to my routine, starting next week:
-20 minutes of calisthenics 3-4 times a week
-20 minutes of bow-related exercises 3-4 times a week
-60 minutes of housework a week
-bed by 1am, up by 7:30am each day of the week
-limit of $30 of takeout food/drink a fortnight, excluding coffees from cafes when studying
As always, failure to complete any of these will result in a $50 penalty to me as per the instructions in the OP. I'm also gonna change the format from daily updates to a weekly report.
I also decided to add some more pending actions to my routine, starting next week:
-20 minutes of calisthenics 3-4 times a week
-20 minutes of bow-related exercises 3-4 times a week
-60 minutes of housework a week
-bed by 1am, up by 7:30am each day of the week
-limit of $30 of takeout food/drink a fortnight, excluding coffees from cafes when studying
As always, failure to complete any of these will result in a $50 penalty to me as per the instructions in the OP. I'm also gonna change the format from daily updates to a weekly report.
hopefully doing weekly reports will give you more time to sit down and write more detailed information about what you learned so far. as always, good luck on your study
Also, how fluent do you think you are currently, at least when it comes to reading a text you haven't seen before?Foxtrot wrote:
good luck on your study
maybe you should study japanese too.
Flip that I already am having three new languages on my plate, plus helping a spelling bee out
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10/10 done. Still got 20 minutes of my teen years left before deadline.
Also, I'm gonna cancel the bed time schedule, until I get some sleeping pills from my doctor.
If you're talking to me, I still don't know much, I'm still earning basic vocabulary and sentence structure. I wouldn't know enough to understand the majority of basic conversation very well. I haven't been doing much reporting on what I've been learning because it's fairly tedious, I may do when I have time though.johnmedina999 wrote:
Also, how fluent do you think you are currently, at least when it comes to reading a text you haven't seen before?Foxtrot wrote:
good luck on your study
Also, I'm gonna cancel the bed time schedule, until I get some sleeping pills from my doctor.
It can hardly be worse than mine.lol wrote:
this thread is cool but also makes me worry about my life
rip study blog
rip studying
it's b1rd u.. u...... u imbecile
You Can't Use Numbers On 1st gen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Best Regards,
Serra1onga
Best Regards,
Serra1onga
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serraionga i love you
serraionga i love you
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5/5 hours of studying done, did the exercises, housework, etc. I just went to sleep straight away afterwards on Sunday night then forgot about it this morning.
I'm gonna change it from 20 min to 10 min since 20 mins is a bit excessive just for pushups and stuff, and I'm gonna add 1 hour of sorting about my computer files
I'm gonna change it from 20 min to 10 min since 20 mins is a bit excessive just for pushups and stuff, and I'm gonna add 1 hour of sorting about my computer files
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I have to admit, last week I didn't really study properly. I procrastinated a fair bit and left the last 3 1/2 hours to the last minute, and when I finally had to do it I was tired so I spent most of the time dozing with the textbook in front of me. Since I effectively didn't do 4 hours, I'll have to give $200 to Allmynamestaken since he was the only poster in that week (sorry if you've posted a lot and you don't get anything, just following what's in the OP).
I'll try to keep up with the study in the future. I've done 125 mins of study this week and I'm gonna do another hour today.
I'll try to keep up with the study in the future. I've done 125 mins of study this week and I'm gonna do another hour today.
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Completed: 5 hours of study, 1h housework, 1h sorting computer files, 3 exercise sessions, 3 bow related exercise sessions, and I haven't spent more than $30 on takeaway food this fortnight.
I was pretty motivated midweek, though a cold killed my momentum a bit, so I only did the bare minimum and it make exercising a bit difficult but I still got through it. I've finally got the Japanese books that I ordered, the Genki book series, a Japanese dictionary, a grammar guide, and a Kanji learner's course book. I started on the latter tonight, I spent an hour and I still haven't finished the intro/preface/foreword and all that good stuff. I'm not a very fast learner so it'll probably take a longer while still to memorise the 2300 kanji characters afterwards.
I was pretty motivated midweek, though a cold killed my momentum a bit, so I only did the bare minimum and it make exercising a bit difficult but I still got through it. I've finally got the Japanese books that I ordered, the Genki book series, a Japanese dictionary, a grammar guide, and a Kanji learner's course book. I started on the latter tonight, I spent an hour and I still haven't finished the intro/preface/foreword and all that good stuff. I'm not a very fast learner so it'll probably take a longer while still to memorise the 2300 kanji characters afterwards.
Good luck, memorizing kanji can be slow and frustrating but don't give up!
You don't memorise; you use until it becomes learnt naturally.
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Status Report:
Everything complete. I've been studying the book I got that has about 2300 of the most common kanji, I'm studying 8 a day so I should have it done in less than a year. 44 done so far. Obviously I don't memorise all of the readings and vocabulary of every kanji as memorising something without context would be inefficient and would take far too long, so as the book suggests I just memorise the generalised meanings and one or two of the readings. Learning the kanji systematically should give me a headstart in actually being able to read Japanese text, which will have huge practical benefits in that I'll be able to practice Japanese just by reading stuff off the internet.
I've also started on the A Guide to Japanese Grammar by Tae Kim, which looks very promising in that it seems it will teach me all of the fundamentals of grammar, rather than just teaching me the Japanese equivalent of English phrases, which textbooks seem mainly to do. Though I still think textbooks will be useful for practice and learning practical words and phrases.
Of course I've also been doing exercises 3 times a week, just basic calisthenics and stretches. I've improved a bit since I've started, now I can do 35 pushups (with my chest touching the floor), 12 pull ups, 40+ squats etc., and I can get my palms on the floor with my legs straight. I've been thinking of joining a gym, but I don't really want to pay the membership costs. It's something I'll consider.
Everything complete. I've been studying the book I got that has about 2300 of the most common kanji, I'm studying 8 a day so I should have it done in less than a year. 44 done so far. Obviously I don't memorise all of the readings and vocabulary of every kanji as memorising something without context would be inefficient and would take far too long, so as the book suggests I just memorise the generalised meanings and one or two of the readings. Learning the kanji systematically should give me a headstart in actually being able to read Japanese text, which will have huge practical benefits in that I'll be able to practice Japanese just by reading stuff off the internet.
I've also started on the A Guide to Japanese Grammar by Tae Kim, which looks very promising in that it seems it will teach me all of the fundamentals of grammar, rather than just teaching me the Japanese equivalent of English phrases, which textbooks seem mainly to do. Though I still think textbooks will be useful for practice and learning practical words and phrases.
Of course I've also been doing exercises 3 times a week, just basic calisthenics and stretches. I've improved a bit since I've started, now I can do 35 pushups (with my chest touching the floor), 12 pull ups, 40+ squats etc., and I can get my palms on the floor with my legs straight. I've been thinking of joining a gym, but I don't really want to pay the membership costs. It's something I'll consider.
Damn i have respect for you. Best of luck B1rd. (y)
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What's HDUltraHenzie wrote:
You shouldn't have HD.
This is what you want, nice job finding this.B1rd wrote:
which looks very promising in that it seems it will teach me all of the fundamentals of grammar, rather than just teaching me the Japanese equivalent of English phrases,
Hard distance, the equivalence of wonky aim.
Aim is usually the most important balance in skill, although skill is not important.
Aim is usually the most important balance in skill, although skill is not important.
Tae Kim's guide to Japanese - that's a name I haven't heard in 5 years.B1rd wrote:
Status Report:
Everything complete. I've been studying the book I got that has about 2300 of the most common kanji, I'm studying 8 a day so I should have it done in less than a year. 44 done so far. Obviously I don't memorise all of the readings and vocabulary of every kanji as memorising something without context would be inefficient and would take far too long, so as the book suggests I just memorise the generalised meanings and one or two of the readings. Learning the kanji systematically should give me a headstart in actually being able to read Japanese text, which will have huge practical benefits in that I'll be able to practice Japanese just by reading stuff off the internet.
I've also started on the A Guide to Japanese Grammar by Tae Kim, which looks very promising in that it seems it will teach me all of the fundamentals of grammar, rather than just teaching me the Japanese equivalent of English phrases, which textbooks seem mainly to do. Though I still think textbooks will be useful for practice and learning practical words and phrases.
Of course I've also been doing exercises 3 times a week, just basic calisthenics and stretches. I've improved a bit since I've started, now I can do 35 pushups (with my chest touching the floor), 12 pull ups, 40+ squats etc., and I can get my palms on the floor with my legs straight. I've been thinking of joining a gym, but I don't really want to pay the membership costs. It's something I'll consider.
So you found what I used when I was a first day learner.
This isn'tis probably what Railey2 means when (s)he was saying "give feedback in addition to receiving"...
good god this thread is reminding me to learn japanese too. soon (tm)
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I remember having an android app for kanji. It was really useful.
hahhahahahhaha that pic got me.
kanjis are impossible. people should start using spaces, not a different set of letters
kanjis are impossible. people should start using spaces, not a different set of letters
There are spaces between the words and if you can't see them you're illiterate.kai99 wrote:
hahhahahahhaha that pic got me.
kanjis are impossible. people should start using spaces, not a different set of letters
correct me if im wrong, but as far as i know isnt kanji use to indicate the end of a word???Yuudachi-kun wrote:
There are spaces between the words and if you can't see them you're illiterate.kai99 wrote:
hahhahahahhaha that pic got me.
kanjis are impossible. people should start using spaces, not a different set of letters
My point is that if you know how to read it's damn well easy to tell the ends of words.
Let me go find some random article and mark them.
Let me go find some random article and mark them.
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A while ago you were complaining about how hard it was to read without kanji.
What's the contradiction here?B1rd wrote:
A while ago you were complaining about how hard it was to read without kanji.
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You can work it out.Yuudachi-kun wrote:
What's the contradiction here?B1rd wrote:
A while ago you were complaining about how hard it was to read without kanji.
I've done everything, completed studying, housework, exercise et cetera. Not much to report, still getting into the swing of using my new studying material.
Some changes though: change general exercise sessions to 12 minutes, and bow-related exercise sessions to 8 minutes. Now I also have to complete 1 page of my kanji course before I go on the computer every day, and this will not count for the obligatory 5 hours of study a week. Though I won't penalise myself if I don't do this, I just won't be able to go on the computer (since this is my #1 time sink)
It's hard and slow to read without Kanji because nouns and homonyms and particles all blur together without spacing
With Kanji, it's easy to tell where words begin and end and what the parts of speech are at more of a glance.
What's the contradiction
With Kanji, it's easy to tell where words begin and end and what the parts of speech are at more of a glance.
What's the contradiction
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Finished all the tasks for this week, though I overshot the mark on Sunday by about 20 seconds or so, so I only got 4/5 hours done, so consequently I'll have to pay Khelly $50. Although including the kanji study I did do more than 5 hours. After today, I should have over 148 kanji characters memorised. I don't think that I've completed my general goal of 1 page (8 characters) a day, though I should be close to it and I reckon I'll get all of the 2300 done in less than a year.
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I wasn't planning on it.
Some other things to note, I've decided I might disconnect my internet, so it doesn't distract me and I can save some money, and use some of it to get a gym membership. Also regarding my fortnightly budget of $30 for takeout, I've decided that for every hour of overtime I can increase my budget for $5. That way I might be able to treat myself to a nice restaurant meal for working hard. Finished 2 hours of study today.
Some other things to note, I've decided I might disconnect my internet, so it doesn't distract me and I can save some money, and use some of it to get a gym membership. Also regarding my fortnightly budget of $30 for takeout, I've decided that for every hour of overtime I can increase my budget for $5. That way I might be able to treat myself to a nice restaurant meal for working hard. Finished 2 hours of study today.
sounds like a plan.
The internet shouldn't distract you from study - it should be the largest tool of study giving you access to a large variety of Japanese media. (And by media I mean everything/stop thinking just anime people.)
TBH tho it can do both, but then again it's all up to you to decide what the internet does to you BC you control your thoughts and actions alone
I didn't expect to really get money, but b1rd is actually serious. Good luck
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Did everything. Did last week too but I didn't write an update.
Didn't you expect me to do what I said I was going to?Yuudachi-kun wrote:
I didn't expect to really get money, but b1rd is actually serious. Good luck
I did not, but it retroactively paid for the book I ordered.
Wow still ongoing. Good luck, b1rd!