# 1 Bubbled
borborygmos wrote:
Unrankable: normal-hitnormal has ~10ms of delay I'm not sure because I changed the place before. I need to see the next BN
Lingren Insane
04:42:068 - I don't see why such a high sv, though i understand the kiai toggle. There are much less vocal holds here so I would think lower SV than normal kiai times.
Why do you think 0.75 of SV is high? Here's a good incremental SV 0.75 1.0 1.25. And the pace is very tight... Why do I have to slow down. You know it's kiai times .I don't think it should be lowered
thanks for modding! really appreciated this careful check but it's a matter of mapping style that is chosen for this map that leads to something you thought as "inconsistent" or "missing beats". this is not a song filled up with drum beats however.borborygmos wrote:
Qingyi Insane
- there are a lot of times when you have rhythm on drum sounds, but you ignore the 3/4 rhythm a lot, which is kind of off, especially since you map drums to fill in the space made from the long vocal holds. The first one that bothered me was 01:30:349 - , though you do this for the whole song. mapping that 3/4 beat does not fit the overall style of this map. skipping all of them anyway shows consistentency
- 00:25:588 (1) - I think this slider should end on 00:27:650 - because the slider 00:19:588 (1) - ends on a sound in the song, and 00:27:650 - has a sound also. these 2 sliders don't equal however. the second leads the end of song's intro. and the "sound" you mention is not that audible imo
- 00:39:449 - why skip this sound when you map it before. where do i map this sound before? to be critical there is no same "tick" sound before since this is the beginning of vocal parts so it's different and worth a pause here
- 00:52:574 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - what do you think of making these groupings different, you did groups of 3, though starting 00:52:949 - it sounds like groups of two (lyrics) 00:52:574 this is the beginning of the bar (section). lyrics don't matter much here
- 00:55:949 - 02:54:443 - how come you skip this vocal when each one before has a slider head/end to it. i like it having diverse rhythm expressions so i guess its ok
- 01:24:824 (1,2,3,4) - these should probably have growing spacing similar to 01:05:324 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:24:824 (1,2,3,4) - for aesthetics? enlarging the size of this square looks kinda awkward doesn't it?
- 01:59:880 (2) - its weird to me you map sounds like this but not 02:00:068 - which is stronger. kiai parts are aimed at expressing vocals for this song to me, i ignored this beat on purpose. and such placement is suitable for long vocal extensions i think
- 02:03:068 (2,3,1,2) - this circle pattern should be 02:03:818 - here. There is no sound at 02:03:443 - sure thing, will change it altogether when more mods are gathered
- 02:48:443 - 02:48:630 - you shouldn't skip vocal here when you are so careful to get them all here 02:45:443 (2,3,4,5,6) - will look into it later if more people point this out. however words in lyrics at 02:45:443 are grouped in 3 but here it is not that case
- 04:22:568 (3) - it would make more sense if this were extended to 04:22:849 - because of the sound there. that 3/4 sound is somehow too weak imo. i'd rather like a 3/4 reverse here instead of extending it if this is strong enough. as i said above, putting too many 3/4s ruins the overall style of it
- 04:23:505 - I think you should map this since you do it since 04:17:130 - im not following this sound exactly, it's just a coincidence
- 04:25:849 - there is a small sound here you can map not mapping 3/4 beat here as i said above
- 04:41:505 - again you keep leaving out the first of a series of notes like this . not strong enough to put a circle here, a sliderend is anyway a bit reasonable but this will weaken the emphasis of 04:41:130 (5) - imo
sorry I was not clear. I meant 04:42:068 - until 04:54:091 - seems to have high SV all together because of less vocal holds in this section.09kami wrote:
borborygmos wrote:
Unrankable: normal-hitnormal has ~10ms of delay I'm not sure because I changed the place before. I need to see the next BN
Lingren Insane
04:42:068 - I don't see why such a high sv, though i understand the kiai toggle. There are much less vocal holds here so I would think lower SV than normal kiai times.
Why do you think 0.75 of SV is high? Here's a good incremental SV 0.75 1.0 1.25. And the pace is very tight... Why do I have to slow down. You know it's kiai times .I don't think it should be lowered
Crystal wrote:
thanks for modding! really appreciated this careful check but it's a matter of mapping style that is chosen for this map that leads to something you thought as "inconsistent" or "missing beats". this is not a song filled up with drum beats however. the thing for me is, i can see you focus more on the vocal emphasis, but when you are doing that you also map some drum beats to fill in the rhythm gap between the vocals like the beat here 01:32:693 (2,3) - , which can cause this confusion.borborygmos wrote:
Qingyi Insane
- there are a lot of times when you have rhythm on drum sounds, but you ignore the 3/4 rhythm a lot, which is kind of off, especially since you map drums to fill in the space made from the long vocal holds. The first one that bothered me was 01:30:349 - , though you do this for the whole song. mapping that 3/4 beat does not fit the overall style of this map. skipping all of them anyway shows consistentency I think this idea you expressed here could use more discussion. So I will use an example: Let's say there are drum sounds every white tick during a song, but for kiai's they are on the red tick also. For the kiai's you chose not to map the times the sound is on the red tick (for some reason I'm not sure of yet). Its consistent that you skip those red tick sounds, though its inconsistent choice to me because you skip the sound sometimes like this. This comparison is about the 3/4 rhythm you do, maybe you can elaborate what you mean it doesn't fit the style more.
- 00:39:449 - why skip this sound when you map it before. where do i map this sound before? to be critical there is no same "tick" sound before since this is the beginning of vocal parts so it's different and worth a pause here I though my idea was clear here, so I will link every time the tick sound occurs since you said you don't hear it. 00:28:574 - 00:28:949 - 00:29:324 - 00:29:699 - 00:30:074 - 00:30:355 - 00:30:636 - 00:30:824 - 00:31:199 - 00:31:574 - 00:31:949 - 00:32:324 - 00:32:699 - 00:33:074 - 00:33:355 - 00:33:636 - 00:33:824 - 00:33:074 (1) - 00:34:574 - 00:34:949 - 00:35:324 - 00:35:699 - 00:36:074 - 00:36:355 - 00:36:636 - 00:36:824 - 00:37:199 - 00:37:949 - 00:38:699 -
- 00:55:949 - 02:54:443 - how come you skip this vocal when each one before has a slider head/end to it. i like it having diverse rhythm expressions so i guess its ok I think you can still be diverse, but putting sounds on the end of sliders and the beginning of them are different, so in this case it would make sense to pick either one of these so you can be consistent and have the diversity you want.
- 01:24:824 (1,2,3,4) - these should probably have growing spacing similar to 01:05:324 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:24:824 (1,2,3,4) - for aesthetics? enlarging the size of this square looks kinda awkward doesn't it? well your aesthetics are random here too, because you have a sqaure here, you force the inconsistent spacing, though you don't have polygon shapes like this before.
- 04:22:568 (3) - it would make more sense if this were extended to 04:22:849 - because of the sound there. that 3/4 sound is somehow too weak imo. i'd rather like a 3/4 reverse here instead of extending it if this is strong enough. as i said above, putting too many 3/4s ruins the overall style of it this could make sense, but there is no sound on 04:22:755 - , and there is a sound that you didn't map which i pointed out.
- 04:25:849 - there is a small sound here you can map not mapping 3/4 beat here as i said above maybe you can consider the sound 04:25:755 - and do a triple?
- 04:41:505 - again you keep leaving out the first of a series of notes like this . not strong enough to put a circle here, a sliderend is anyway a bit reasonable but this will weaken the emphasis of 04:41:130 (5) - imo a slider end would be cool, like you said it could change the emphasis, so you would have to be careful with how much you make the slider move so it just turns into more of a hold slider. something to think of.
Kibbleru wrote:
general
can i get some explanation on the diff name and how they relate to the song
normal-hitnormal.wav - has delay in front. u can get smallboat to rebubble once this is fixed also the (unsnapped slider maybe) hummm...i fix .changed the same sound
Lingren
00:26:338 (1) - how come u NC here but not 00:20:338 (2) - fix
00:34:574 (3,1) - nazi make the spacing a bit more visually consistent Fix... but I'm not sure if it's better
00:44:886 - i think it would be pretty cool to put a circle here and stack either on the head of 00:45:074 (1) - or tail of (3) fix
01:01:199 (1,1) - is the NC spam here necessary o-o? I delete 01:01:949 (1) - nc
01:31:943 (2) - more nazi, curve this a little more maybe so it pairs better with 01:31:568 (1) - fix
01:37:943 (1) - ^ fix
02:39:818 (1) - ^ fix
02:24:068 (1,1) - these should be more spaced out for consistency? 02:21:068 (1,1) - fix
02:58:568 (1,2,1,2,3) - this is kind of inconsistent with what u do here 01:00:074 (1,2,3,4,1) - i think what u do at 01:00:074 (1,2,3,4,1) - is more interesting fix
03:03:068 - how come in this section u decide to map more beats such as 03:07:568 (2,3,4,5) - and in 01:07:574 (1) - u just completely skip them lol owo A lot of people and I mentioned these two places .first of all, this is a ancient music .Different from the metal sense of rock music and the heavy sense of classical music, the ancient music has its own unique Chinese style . according to my understanding of the song.01:04:574 - 03:03:068 - They are very soft .Here is a starting point for the kiai part .so I chose to follow the relax rhythm
i would just like some explanation if it was on purpose
05:08:674 (1) - apparently this is unsnapped? fix
Qingyi
00:06:106 (1) - this wave slider lol
02:38:318 (2,3) - i think this is a bit too big of a jump imo, and itll be a bit weird because the slider is so short
05:01:591 (1) - maybe end it here? 05:06:278 - so it ends on an audible sound
ok along with the delayed hitsound... i dont think we can move forward before i get an explanation on this lol
03:26:318 - 01:28:568 -
why are the 2 kiais like.. completely different?
the first kiai seems to follow a movement based theme similar to 09kami's diff and the 2nd kiai seems to go with a more structured theme. (which seems more crystal style to me)
i like both the kiais, but i dont like how they are completely different o_O
hummm...Lingren Insane by me. Qingyi Insane by Crystal. Lingren and Qingyi different roles in the drama .Well, I mean, our style is different, so understanding is different for Crystal
u can call me back if u think u've resolved the issues
but yeah i plan to approve this eventually but only if the above mentioned are resolved
borborygmos wrote:
because the rhythm is very dense .In fact, according to Chinese songs. only this is the kiai time .I did not blindly choose a single rhythm .I want to combine the voice with the instrument
i like your attitude towards modding to be honest. it will be the case of personal feeling or preference towards a song if you insist on your opinion right and mine wrong. what you suggest will surely make a neat and organized map but this is not what i want to express exactly by mapping this song.borborygmos wrote:
I should be more clear on some points so I have more thoughts, it would be nice to discuss things since this is what modding should be like.thanks for modding! really appreciated this careful check but it's a matter of mapping style that is chosen for this map that leads to something you thought as "inconsistent" or "missing beats". this is not a song filled up with drum beats however. the thing for me is, i can see you focus more on the vocal emphasis, but when you are doing that you also map some drum beats to fill in the rhythm gap between the vocals like the beat here 01:32:693 (2,3) - , which can cause this confusion. emphasizing the vocals does not equal mapping only vocals. ignoring the others would make it sound too empty to be good. so this is a "compromise".borborygmos wrote:
Qingyi Insane
- there are a lot of times when you have rhythm on drum sounds, but you ignore the 3/4 rhythm a lot, which is kind of off, especially since you map drums to fill in the space made from the long vocal holds. The first one that bothered me was 01:30:349 - , though you do this for the whole song. I think this idea you expressed here could use more discussion. So I will use an example: Let's say there are drum sounds every white tick during a song, but for kiai's they are on the red tick also. For the kiai's you chose not to map the times the sound is on the red tick (for some reason I'm not sure of yet). Its consistent that you skip those red tick sounds, though its inconsistent choice to me because you skip the sound sometimes like this. This comparison is about the 3/4 rhythm you do, maybe you can elaborate what you mean it doesn't fit the style more. i think im not clear about your comparison about those 3/4 skips. the only 3/4s i mapped are 00:30:074 (1) - 00:33:074 (1) - 00:36:074 (1) - and they are 3/4 reverses. that's to say i mapped no single circle on blue ticks. this does not apply to your comparison already. about these reverses, because the "tick" sounds are extremely obvious in this part and other instruments are quite soft, there should be no reason not to follow these ticks. and for kiai parts the vocal is undoubtedly outstanding and ear-catching, so i skipped those 3/4s which are not that audible. following both vocal and instruments with no proper transition would be quite awkward to play.
- 00:39:449 - why skip this sound when you map it before. I though my idea was clear here, so I will link every time the tick sound occurs since you said you don't hear it. 00:28:574 - 00:28:949 - 00:29:324 - 00:29:699 - 00:30:074 - 00:30:355 - 00:30:636 - 00:30:824 - 00:31:199 - 00:31:574 - 00:31:949 - 00:32:324 - 00:32:699 - 00:33:074 - 00:33:355 - 00:33:636 - 00:33:824 - 00:33:074 (1) - 00:34:574 - 00:34:949 - 00:35:324 - 00:35:699 - 00:36:074 - 00:36:355 - 00:36:636 - 00:36:824 - 00:37:199 - 00:37:949 - 00:38:699 - I KNOW the meaning of "this sound" you mention. as i mentioned above in THIS post, in this part the tick sounds are the only ones that sound obvious, and this is the intro part of the song. 00:39:074 (1) - this has a strong finish sound which indicates the end of previous part and the beginning of vocal parts. skipping this tick sound allows a pause here to make the division of two parts clearer, and put emphasis on 00:39:074 (1) - . in this case this tick sound is not exactly the same as you mentioned above. while mapping this sound would make it perfectly organized and logical, this breaks the "atmosphere" i wanted to make.
- 00:55:949 - 02:54:443 - how come you skip this vocal when each one before has a slider head/end to it. I think you can still be diverse, but putting sounds on the end of sliders and the beginning of them are different, so in this case it would make sense to pick either one of these so you can be consistent and have the diversity you want. what you suggest is pretty reasonable, i admit. its just what i prefer to express "diversity".
- 01:24:824 (1,2,3,4) - these should probably have growing spacing similar to 01:05:324 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:24:824 (1,2,3,4) - well your aesthetics are random here too, because you have a sqaure here, you force the inconsistent spacing, though you don't have polygon shapes like this before. 01:12:074 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - polygon shapes you wanted here.
- 04:22:568 (3) - it would make more sense if this were extended to 04:22:849 - because of the sound there. this could make sense, but there is no sound on 04:22:755 - , and there is a sound that you didn't map which i pointed out. sliderend does not mean much when it comes to "snapping the beats".it's similar to the use of "kick sliders". replacing this with either a 3/4 reverse or a single note breaks the feeling of serenity (or a sense of continuously flowing stream, if you like the artistic expression lol) the instrument gives, imo.
- 04:25:849 - there is a small sound here you can map maybe you can consider the sound 04:25:755 - and do a triple? i did not map a single triplet throughout the map, either.
- 04:41:505 - again you keep leaving out the first of a series of notes like this . a slider end would be cool, like you said it could change the emphasis, so you would have to be careful with how much you make the slider move so it just turns into more of a hold slider. something to think of. cool idea. absolutely good to change.
thanks for modding!Kibbleru wrote:
general
can i get some explanation on the diff name and how they relate to the song
Qingyi
00:06:106 (1) - this wave slider lol is this a serious problem? if so i will change it to a plain one
02:38:318 (2,3) - i think this is a bit too big of a jump imo, and itll be a bit weird because the slider is so short yea it seems to be too tricky. changed its pattern
05:01:591 (1) - maybe end it here? 05:06:278 - so it ends on an audible sound ok! nice i learnt to snap sliders across 2 timing lines lol
03:26:318 - 01:28:568 -
why are the 2 kiais like.. completely different?
the first kiai seems to follow a movement based theme similar to 09kami's diff and the 2nd kiai seems to go with a more structured theme. (which seems more crystal style to me)
i like both the kiais, but i dont like how they are completely different o_O yea i did this on purpose. the vocal gives out a special feeling as i tried to express in first kiai. but mapping the two in similar ways seems boring to me. i think it's fun to map 2 kiais in completely different styles as the song itself sounds special and vivid, what's more it should be more impressive i guess
u can call me back if u think u've resolved the issues
but yeah i plan to approve this eventually but only if the above mentioned are resolved
i intended to make them different, i thought players might get bored (or at least not as fun as it) to play similar patterns twice in one run. but if that matters a lot i can do some adjustments.Sonnyc wrote:
Regarding the kiai of Qingyi diff being different each other, at least they are commonly fast in sv which creates a difficulty with non-kiai sections. The major difference I can see is the slider styles, and I think the map can work as the current design (although I'm not really a fan of this because basically the song is similar, and the expression was different but I respect your interpretation).
However the rhythm selection of 01:46:568 (1,2) - 01:48:068 (1,2) - 02:10:568 (1,2) - 02:12:068 (1,2) - vs 03:45:068 (1,2) - 03:46:568 (1,2) - 04:09:068 (1,2) - 04:10:568 (1,2) - was way beyond different while the song being similar themselves. Even two kiai sections were having a different concept, applying a completely different rhythm / slider shape / sv concept here felt too much. At least assuring some minor consistency between these ones would be one thing I'd like to see.
And maybe you can consider making the break section of both difficulties consistently.
very Thank.for timing modBonsai wrote:
Yo there, I took a look at this map too and noticed a lot of issues with the timing, here's a difficulty with correct timing ←really nice. since it turned out to be quite a lot of stuff to change, I initially made a list of the issues though so read the box if you're interested in what was off/wrong
Thank .according to the Bonsai timing has been reviseKibbleru wrote:
hey u need to add a red line on 01:28:568 - , because 01:27:818 - makes the timing signature off by 2 beats for the entire map lol
thanks for modding!Bonsai wrote:
Also, two points concerning Qingyi Insane that I noticed during timing:Other than that I personally find the difference between the Kiais mostly fine, I agree with Sonnyc on the thing they pointed out though, and I find it a rather weird that the first Kiai seems generally much more intense than the second one in terms of spacing / difficulty, but the I completely support the stylistic difference. The map looks very nice overall, gz on getting this qualified soon apparently
- 00:25:588 (1) - Why are you extending this to the blue tick even though there is already a very distinct drum-hit on the red tick at 00:27:629 -? That's extremely irritating to play imo, feels very unnatural to forcedfully keep holding the slider even though there's already a beat that I wanna interact with yea if it's really strange to play it's sure i can change them
- 04:56:153 (1) - I also find it quite unnatural to start the slider with the vocals here because the previous slider is only following the piano and ignoring the vocal notes in-between, and I don't understand where it's ending either bc both the breath of the vocals as well as the very prominent piano-note are at 04:58:019 whereas I can't hear anything on the current slidertail.. Also, the sliderticks are just at random places bc of this right now, with my new timing the tick would be exactly at the most prominent piano-note at 04:57:180 if you start it at 04:56:341 those messed-up sliderticks should surely be the reason to change
thx modBonsai wrote:
re-check for the timing, and actual check of the map itself as I've been asked to rebubble :3
General
- Apparently I messed something up with the timing at the very start, (gladly you already added the one section I accidentally deleted ), the section at 00:12:293 - should be 64,9bpm and the one at 00:12:755 - should be 70,5bpm; other than the everything is correct now! fix
- 88886.png is higher than the allowed 1200 pixels, in case I interpret the RC correctly that must be downscaled o: fix
Lingren Insane
- 02:16:566 (1) - slidertails are somewhat unsnapped lol fix
- 02:22:543 (1) - This would be more accurate if it were snapped as 1/12 with the same amount of reverses fix
- 02:50:691 (1) - This would be more accurate as 1/6 though ^^ fix
- 03:39:816 (1,1) - I think these would 'blanket' better if 03:39:816 (1) was rotated by +1° but not sure lol fix
- 03:25:566 - The green line here is 2ms after the sliderhead which seems unintentional, though I don't really understand why you want to make that hitsound so quiet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ fix
thanks for modding!Bonsai wrote:
re-check for the timing, and actual check of the map itself as I've been asked to rebubble :3
Qingyi Insane
- 00:42:066 (1) -mmh what's this slider representing actually? Bc it made me think "oh okay this section isn't very dense" but it's then followed by four pretty dense sections so that didn't make sense to me, I see what 00:49:566 (1) is following but I don't see that at the first one
same at 02:40:566 (4) - yea ofc, fixed- 01:27:066 (1,1) - better leave a buffer between those by removing the last 1/12-reverse so there's no unnecessary combo-breaks, did it at 03:25:566 (1,1) - too sounds cool
- 02:09:816 (1,3,4,1) - This looks very clustered aesthetically because autostacking makes (3) be really close to (1), maybe move 02:10:191 (3,4,1) down and to the right a few pixels sure
- There are a few slightly unsnapped slidertails: 01:27:066 (1) - 02:15:066 (3) -(at least according to my program O.o) - 02:16:566 (1) - and 03:25:566 (1) - (also only according to program lol idk) it looks perfectly snapped here lol, did some adjustments but idk whether it works
- 02:22:543 (1) - This would be more accurate if it were snapped as 1/12 with the same amount of reverses sure
- Really minor aesthetic stuff, but due to autostacking there is more spacing in 02:27:066 (1,2,3) - and 02:29:316 (1,2,3) - causing a followpoint to appear while there is less space in 02:27:816 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -which makes it seem slightly messy imo, increasing the two smaller ones is probably the way to go as there are followpoints appearing between all following objects too ^^ having "stacking" on in editor and it shows only 0.01x error which may not be notable imo, and slight changes might cause further inconsistency i guess
- 02:58:941 (6,1,2,3) - This feels a bit weird to play to me because the spacing between (6,1) is double as much as between (1,2,3) but they are one continous flow, forcing the player to slow down without changing movement.. Maybe make (1,2,3) in a different direction, or maybe use circles like at 01:00:066 (1,2,3,4,1) - again, I liked that a lot changed the directions of those 2 sliders, hope its ok
- 03:04:566 (1,2,3,4) - Are these supposed to be so short? Feels very odd, the vocals seem much longer than just 1/8 to me, and there are other disctinct notes on the 1/4s too, so I'd recommend extending them, I don't really understand why you're interrupting the continuous 1/4-rhythm here oops this is certainly a mistake when handling with timing points, fixed
same at 03:07:566 (1,2,3,4) - ofc- 04:05:316 (1,2) - maybe move these down/right by a few pixels too bc of autostack, basically you only see this ingame fixed
- 04:14:316 (3,4,5,6,1) - the spacing-decrease seems a bit 'uneven' to me, I'd reduce the spacing between (3,4) to around x0.35, idk x0.35 seems a bit low imo, however did some adjustments
- 04:22:566 (3,4) - Ignoring the note at 04:22:847 - and overmapping the 1/4 instead seems rather out of place, would make it more interesting if you extended (3) to there imo i did not intend to follow that sound as i said in my previous posts, this 1/2 slider means to express the "flowing" sound of that flute (? idk). however if it matters please let me know, i will change it
- 04:43:191 (1,2) - This gap seems really awkward, kinda looks like you intended to let (1)reverse (if you didn't intend it then I recommend it now ) okay
- 05:01:778 (1) - This is completely a matter of taste of course, but to me it seems a bit random that there is nothing after that spinner / that it ends at that spot: the vocals kinda end more at 05:04:591 -, but if you wanna keep it that long then I'd recommend to map the following piano-hits (or at least only the next one) too like in the other Insane maybe, because the Piano is playing a (musically) major scale which would feel more 'finished' if it included the octave at 05:06:241 - instead of currently ending at the fifth 8^) i tried putting the finish at 05:04:591 - but it sounds no better than it is now, i think. want to keep it as it is and i guess this would not be a problem
thx!Bonsai wrote:
Everything looks fine now, here you go!