I apologise for having sounded rude, I do appreciate your input on the map, and will revisit your comments if it becomes an issue.
Endaris wrote:
inferno cop on roasting duty :cry:
Easy
00:17:439 (1) - Consider deleting this note. This is some kind of upbeat to the phrase that feels a bit too much considering the slow pacing of the map. Starting with the phrase on the downbeat is good enough imo. done
00:24:728 (1,2,1,2) - the first repeat bugs me a bit for the following reason: It changes the previously used pattern (probably due to lyrics) and drives attention that way. However, the second repeat slider is the much more important sound (start of the new vocal phrase and first downbeat in the set of 4 measures) and it has its spotlight stolen by the previous one because it merely repeats the pattern. I think you should pay more attention to the overall phrasing here as the difficulty is kept at a very easy level and you can't properly go in-depth on small details like the changing vocals here. The downbeat feels much stronger for me at least.
If you want to keep promoting 00:24:728 (1,2) - I would suggest changing 00:22:485 (1,2,3) - instead(maybe to all circles?) so that it contrasts the previous combo that has barely any vocals ^
00:53:887 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I am not sure about this part in terms of context. It is the most soft part of the song with many of the beats on 2 and 4 only being taken by the singer, yet the density is literally the same as in all other parts of the song. There are some details that can be highlighted, yes, but imo this is not the appropriate difficulty to do so
I'd do something like https://puu.sh/uS1rr/8b857dc16c.png which isn't very exciting but well, easy diffs ^
01:09:588 (1,2,3) - If you broke the slider-circle-circle pattern here the start of the kiai wouldn't feel as much as a repitition. As 01:10:710 (2,3) - also work as a leadin for the kiai a small deviation in the pattern it would also be perfectly justified imo. ^
The kiai itself does indeed feel kinda repititive but that's what the music does so it is fine.
I really like that you throw in stuff like 01:36:504 (1,2) - that makes it a lot more bearable. You should use that at 01:18:560 (1,2,3) - as well for consistency though. ^
if you want the roast to spread to the other diffs you have to tell me s-stop being right b-baka ><
fixed almost all apart from the stream at the start, i swear i can hear sounds there NotLikeThisDendyMudak wrote:
H e l l o T h e r e! oh no.Miss You00:02:298 (1,2) - this pattern is not similar to the first and next, copy this pattern 00:00:056 (1,2) and paste it.
00:06:784 (1,2) - if all these patterns following rotation principle, why this pattern is not horizontal to the first one?
00:17:158 (3,4,5,6,7) - there's don't need to be stream, there is no sound for it, even vocal don't have it
00:19:962 (7) - it's hard to see, but spacing need to be similar to 00:19:401 (5,6)
00:21:084 (5,6) - this is literally hard difficulty, don't make them singletap for players, mappers usually making 1/4 gaps stacked, but if song can afford it
00:25:570 (5,6) - ^ but now its stacked?!?!?
00:30:056 (3,4,5) - maybe slider?
00:32:579 (1,2,3) - hard difficulty still should teach players for different pattern mechanics, but this is truly hard to play and read, don't make it complicated, just stack them
00:33:140 (4) - ^
00:34:541 (5,1) - why is spacing now is larger than before? The sound is not changed.
00:52:766 (6,7,8,9) - hard to read for hard difficulty
00:55:289 (2,3) - no sound
01:26:130 (2,3) - why is this not blanket too?
01:31:457 (4,5) - bad blanket, this is not acceptable
01:50:242 (2) - replace to notes?
02:01:738 (2,4) - make spacing similar
Okey, now my opinion. I can understand that your map is following 1/4 spacing gimmicks, but, you forgetting that this is a hard difficulty, it don't need to be too much complicated, you have to make it suitable for players which will play it, even for DT farmers it will be too difficult. Your map is having a good variety of flows and structure, but please, have a tint that hard difficulty should be readable and teach players how to play different varieties of low bpm.
gl in further mapping
all fixed (apart from sv change, idk if i should change this)!Kisses wrote:
wtf I was post #3 the other day, where did all these ppl come from? O.o i've been busy :thinking:[]I see you've got the hang of hitsounding haha, sure such as claps on snares etc, but I still think it can be improved. I really want to make another post later explaining how and why. Catch you later!Miss You
- 00:12:712 (4) - replace finish with whistle. I think this was a mistake but on the off chance it was intentional a finish isn't appropriate since there are really any distinct sounds that are supported by a finish nor is it any different from the other notes such as 00:07:906 (2,2,2) etc.
- 00:17:999 (1) - add finish on head?
- 00:21:224 (3) - making this into a 1/2 slider would not only map the held vocals that you've been doing with 00:20:242 (1,1) etc but it would also get rid of that slightly awkward pause.
- 00:25:570 (5,6) - you've used different spacing here than you have at 00:24:728 (1,2). Recommend to keep the distances the same (at least visually). Inconsistencies such as these do affect cursor movement which is something you don't want to have if you aren't particularly emphasizing anything; they can also affect the general reading of your map, something you definitely do not want. You know how they teach you use consistent DS for easy and normal diffs for the sake of reading right? Well think of it similar to that. When you have the same rhythms, patterns use different spacings in lower diffs where doesn't seem to be a justifiable reason to it (e.g. something drastic in the song it can serve to throw players off.
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Things about rhythm
You like mapping to the vocals, which is a good thing especially for a song like this where they are very dominant over ever thing else but i feel like you could follow them more accurately in some places. As you've done some overmapping for the sake of simplifying the rhythm even though you've gone all out in places such as 00:19:962 (7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3) with the use of sliders on the held vocals so it makes me think that you want to go all out and map the vocals as accurately as you can. Not only that but adding shying away from the long 1/4 circle patterns would add more variety to the map (that doesn't mean that some of said patterns don't map the music accordingly)
The places I think they could be improved would be places such as- 00:28:373 (4,5,6,7,8) - deleting 00:28:653 (6) would play cool since there isn't a vocal sound here
- 00:27:813 (3) - a rhythm such as this http://puu.sh/uSxEf/865f2f7cfa.jpg or something similar would better capture the held vocal not. Though at the same time this is also one of those minor spots where you can gloss over it like you have done and map to the background music; I just wanted to state this anyways
- 00:30:616 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - omitting 00:30:896 (6,9) would better reflect the vocal rhythm imo.
Those are just some of the places, the vocals things are all in the verse, kiai time is fine.-------------------------------------------------------------- - 00:43:513 (3,4,5) - I don't recommend overlaps such as in lower SR diffs as well as this map itself, it seems to go against the structure of the rest of your map which does break it down and look less appealing aesthetics wise
- 00:47:579 (2,3,4) - You've used increase spacing for the 1/4 beats which is fine but you should also use the same increased spacing for 00:47:719 (3,4) else players will muddle up the entire pattern. I also believe that 00:47:999 (4) should have the same emphasis as 00:47:719 (3) spacing wise
- 01:14:074 (1) - For a similar reason as to inconsistency thing earlier I recommend you to use 1x DS (or higher since this beat can be emphasized if you so please to do it) . On top of that I genuinely think it looks unappealing. This would apply to 01:32:018 (5) as well
- 01:37:065 (2,3,4) - This rhythm is really un-intuitive, it also doesn't accurately follow what's going on in the music (i.e. having an active beat on 01:37:205). how about this rhythm? http://puu.sh/uSzxt/aa68e35ccf.jpg
- 01:50:803 (1) - I'm kind of against this SV change. SV changes are normally when the music itself changes not the vocals (very rearely does the opposite happen) this is slightly because of the intuition of it. The main reason I'm against it is that the song itself is carrying on with the same intensity when you've dropped the SV. So yeah I would personally not have the SV lowered
- 01:55:289 (3) - I feel like it would flow a lot smoother rhythmically to replace this with a circle and slider ( http://puu.sh/uSzTI/82cda40017.jpg ) or to just turn it into a repeat slider
- 02:07:906 - add a timing point at the end of the spinner and reduce the volume to 5% and change it to soft sample
ye ik orzKisses wrote:
If you were just going to post that short sentence then you didn't need to quote the entire mod :p
makes it easier to navigate through the thread and doesn't kill ppl' mouse wheels
if it's insane why is it 3.4* :^) ssssh I can fix that I promiseFiretruck wrote:
where is hard diff lol, miss you is literally insane
+ u should lower the volume of hitsounds its so loud D:
Dekun kucs u onFiretruck wrote:
no u suck nuked lololobxdxddzd
firetruck what did i just say i s 2 g stop thisFiretruck wrote:
meme
Firetruck wrote:
meme
Thanks for your help!Josefumi wrote:
Hello there, commin' from my queue!Easy:
00:13:513 (1) - If you put the end on 00:16:878 It would be as nice i think there's something about this...
00:19:682 - Maybe a circle in here? the sound isn't really that significant/is more of a background sound
00:57:252 - What about this? <.< for a slower section it'd probably best to keep a less dense rhythm
01:37:626 (2) - This looks nicer ...but doesn't that break DS?Missed You
I think putting the stack leniency to 3, it fits much more a e s t h e t i c a l y (Note: Only do changes with "*" if you changed it) completely forgot this was a thing xd
00:19:962 (1,2,3) - Overlap 2 with 3 and put them looking at eachother aight ye
00:21:084 (4,5) - I recommend trying a full slider from 00:21:084 to 00:21:364 but... there's different sounds
* 00:22:485 (1) - Move it under 00:22:204 (10)
* 00:23:046 (2) - Move under 3
00:28:793 (7,8) - Stack together instead of spreading, it's confusing how...?
00:31:036 (6,7) - ^
01:02:579 (5,6) - Stack over 01:02:859 that looks p confusing tbh
* 01:25:289 (1) - Move under 01:24:168 (3)
01:46:317 (3) - Instead of b i g slider try slider retur stream b-but muh vocal
Nice mapset! Good luck
Namjoon stan here o.o/
Thanks for helping, I'll wait on the others responsesBehonkiss wrote:
Liked the sound of this song, so here's a mod.
Easy:
00:24:168 (5): Make this a new combo instead of the slider after it. The pause before it calls for that. yeah, I agree
01:03:981 (2): Feels weird that this is the only section to use the default whistle sound effect. It's weird... but it kinda fits too, I guess?
Josefumi wrote:
Lapi's Hard
I recommend putting a lower AR Why? It's already too low.
00:15:756 (1) - Spinner conflics with the next slider, im my opinion is too close and too fast. Pretty sure it's fine, considering the fact that it's a hard difficulty.
00:50:523 - What about this for a slider form? Looks nice, but I want to keep mine. 01:03:981 (5,6,7) - Too cloose with eachother, try to separate them a little bit I'm following DS here.
01:06:504 (6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - This part is kinda overmapped, I recommend adjusting a slower pace on 01:07:766 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) I'm following the beats in the background, meaning that these are not overmapped, they're completely fine as long as they follow the beats.
01:23:887 (4,5) - Jump too big, try to avoid these without an excuse I want a proper reason for this. Saying "try to avoid these without an excuse" is kinda of rude.
01:41:831 (2,3) - ^ .
01:49:682 (4,1) - ^!!!! .
01:54:168 (4,1) - ^ .
01:54:448 (1,2) - Not so much of a big gap, but I recommend adjusting it. .
02:01:177 (1) - Missed sample
I'm sorry for not applying anything from your mods, but thank you both for checking my diff!Behonkiss wrote:
Lapis' Hard:
01:02:859 (1): This new combo placement feels especially weird. There's a downbeat here, and every NC starts at downbeat, so I'm keeping it.
just gonna say that the missed hitsounds were a mistake on my end so i've (hopefully) fixed for all diffsJosefumi wrote:
Thank you for modding! Aside from adding a circle at the part Cosmic mentioned, I've also made 01:10:710 (3,4) - 1/8 sliders.cosmiccc wrote:
lapis' hard00:51:364 - I feel like there should be a circle here bc there's no pause in instrumentals or vocals Sure.
01:06:925 (7,8) - imo this part would work better w/ a circle at 01:06:504, and a two beat slider at 01:06:784. Bc the current rhythm there feels weird to play and kinda off but that could be just me If you listen carefully at 01:06:504, there's a hold in his vocals, and I used a slider here to emphasise that. So I'm keeping this rhythm.
01:38:747 (1) - Random Hitsound? Don't think so.
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cosmiccc wrote:
missing you00:13:513 - personally preference, think there should be a spinner here to the downbeat before the first slider alright, yeah
00:17:579 (6) - These 1/4 beats are following the vocals but 6 doesn't belong bc no vocal or prominent sound is hear on that beat what about the "s" sound00:20:383 (2) - doesn't represent any sound and is weird playing imo yeah, I'll remove it
- 00:21:644 (6,7,8,9,10) - Same w/ 9 here but the "sh" sound?
00:30:056 (3) - repeat doesn't serve any purpose it goes with the vocal, like na-neun
01:07:766 (2) - unnecessary imo bc there is no sound it represents, and doesn't serve as good filler either but there's an instrument here which is mapped later on as well
02:01:738 (2,3) and 02:05:102 (1,2) represent the vocals but the vocals lose emphasis at 02:02:579 (4,5,1,2,3,4) bc these notes are just following the beat. Kinda breaks the flow imo and u should stick to mapping one or the other it's meant to gradually decrease in spacing to represent the slowing nature of the song, idk it works in my mind...
the spacing in general is a little weird bc sometimes 1/4 beats will be touching but when they aren't touching they look like the 1/2 spacing, so playing isn't always as intuitive as I feel like it should be yeah... i do emphasise a few things with spacing
ok that's all, hope it's helpful & ty for ur mod again thank you!
Bakari wrote:
Hey!
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- Add a fe w more tags like Bangtan Boys and Bangtans just in case somebody tries to use them. yep, added a few more tags as mentioned... im not too sure about "Bangtans" though...?
- Metadata is correct, as we've already discussed that. link
- The hitsounds feel really loud in general. Pobably should be 15-30% quiter. I believe I adjusted this before we had our irc discussion
- 01:20:803 (1,2,3) - this combo definitely stands out in terms of length and consistency. You might want to look into it to make sure it works as intended. aa, fixed the ncs
- 01:36:504 (1,2) - that'd be cool if these two were using identical shapes, sort of like 01:32:018 (1,1) - this way the patterning would feel more structured. yup
Note: 01:51:084 (2,4) - again, similar shapes could make the part feel more structured. think these are more similar- 01:47:719 - I would really prefer this to be an individual circle. alright. As a matter of fact, 01:46:598 (2) - I would probably just replace each of the beats with a circle, the vocals here feel pretty interesting and so do the drums. hm... I think the vocal itself calls for a slider as it's a continuous sound
- 01:49:962 (1) - minor - overlaps with the HP bar, probably should be higher as to prevent that from happening. adjusted because of the issue above
Just a few visual things. I actually think it's a pretty cool difficulty.
[Missing You]I feel like the set is pretty cool, but it definitely can and should get better before we push it any further. Remind me to stick around and get back to it some time later Will do!
We did a few things, changed some patterns to flow and look better. should be better nowIRC log20:12 Tae: touch my butt~
20:12 Bakari: sure <3
20:12 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1226410 BTS - Spring Day [Missing You]]
20:14 Bakari: 00:22:204 (9,1,2,3) - can you explain why the spacing gradually increases here?
20:15 Bakari: I'd rather go for 9-1 being a strong jump
20:15 Bakari: then 1-2 being a jump but less intense
20:15 Tae: yeah, igy
20:15 Bakari: and then regular ds to match the instruments
20:15 Tae: ah, yeah
20:16 Bakari: oh, and are you sure about the intro being so heavy in terms of 1/4s?
20:17 Bakari: I'd probably use more sliders than circles for the sake of spread
20:17 Bakari: besides, kiai feels pretty easy when compared with the intro
20:18 Tae: yeah
20:18 Tae: im willing to tone it down on the 1/4 in some areas, but I feel it fits in other areas
20:18 Bakari: it definitely works well with the rapping
20:18 Tae: 00:24:168 (6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6) - for example, i'd be happy to put some more sliders here
20:18 Bakari: yeah, that's the kind of stuff that'd benefit from having more sliders
20:19 Bakari: also, the 1/4 spacing at times is pretty hard to read
20:19 Bakari: and spacing in general as well
20:19 Bakari: 00:19:962 (1,2,3) - for example the change here
20:20 Tae: yeah
20:20 Tae: ah, if 1 goes down, and 2 goes up, that could work better?
20:20 Bakari: my main concern is patterns like 00:45:336 (3,4,5) - 00:49:822 (3,4,5,6) -
20:21 Bakari: anything goes, as long as you feel like a player can understand and feel the spacing changes
20:21 Tae: https://puu.sh/w9FZa/30a530bd10.png like this, for example?
20:21 Bakari: yeah, this looks great
20:22 Bakari: 00:52:205 (4,5) - 00:53:186 (9,10) - 00:58:373 (1,2) - have a look at these things
20:22 Bakari: 00:58:373 (1,2) - 00:59:495 (4,5,6) - or maybe at these, this is a more noticeable contrast
20:22 Tae: yeah
20:22 Bakari: i see tha you try to do cool stuff with the spacings
20:22 Tae: the first should definitely be more spaced than the second
20:23 Bakari: probably you could play with the stacks as well
20:23 Bakari: but keep in mind that stacks should also be consistent
20:23 Tae: yeah
20:25 Bakari: in terms of rhythm this whole thing is pretty good, by the way
20:25 Bakari: but i'm not so sure about your flow
20:25 Tae: that's good to know
20:25 Bakari: 00:40:570 (2,3,4,5) - this seems to be linear flow, but then it suddenly breaks
20:25 Tae: yeah, i do struggle with flow above everything else
20:26 Bakari: https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/GV50RsqS.jpg
20:26 Bakari: probably something of the kind?
20:26 Tae: yeah, that looks better if 4/5 is flipped
20:28 Bakari: 00:36:504 (2,3,4) - this isn't a bad pattern, but your flow appears to be mostly linear.
20:28 Bakari: so, it sort of stands out
20:29 Bakari: probably something closer to this https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/3isJjeGc.jpg
20:29 Bakari: or if you like the existing pattern, introduce something similar in a few more parts
20:30 Tae: yeah
20:30 Bakari: 01:06:784 (7,8,1) - i don't feel this pattern in the song, let me explain why
20:31 Bakari: a) (1) is stressed less than (8), which is quite strange considering the fact that (1) is actually stronger
20:32 Bakari: b) the pattern on its own is sort of unfinished, there's a lot of empty space and it just feels somewhat random
20:33 Tae: hm, yeah
20:33 Bakari: if we could use spacing more freely, sometihng like https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/1GFse1sv.jpg this would be perfect
20:33 Tae: o, that looks good
20:33 Tae: lemme try that
20:33 Bakari: i personally think that the pattern i showed looks better because it has a finished idea
20:34 Bakari: i make 7-8 symmetrical
20:34 Bakari: and keep the flow somewhat linear
20:34 Bakari: probably we could try a ner'd version like https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/2KdI3k55.jpg this
20:36 Tae: https://puu.sh/w9GzQ/dbf68052b0.png yeah, I think I managed to do it, that flows well, thanks
20:37 Bakari: just introduce a few more patterns like this (spacing/flow)
20:37 Bakari: so it'd feel like a part of your style, rather than a single fix
20:38 Tae: yeah
20:38 Bakari: 01:24:728 (4,1) - this doesn't really flow, I think
20:38 Bakari: i mean, it does, but it works differently than the rest of the patterns
20:38 Bakari: there's a pretty sharp angle between 4 and 1
20:38 Tae: ctrl+g on 4, maybe?
20:38 Bakari: then 3-4 goes weird :p
20:39 Tae: hm
20:40 Bakari: https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/0tCkHjxk.jpg 120 degrees rotation, perhaps?
20:41 Bakari: and the rest would look like this https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/S4Vejz2a.jpg
20:43 Bakari: 01:29:214 (4,1,2,3) - similar pattern/flow thingy https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/dOnSi1vW.jpg
20:43 Bakari: 01:35:943 (5,1) - and this'd be the last one, i believe
20:46 Tae: alright, fixed those now
20:46 Bakari: I guess that's about it
20:46 Bakari: just the spacings/flow
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