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ZHSteven
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ZHSteven
First real mod from long time rest (almost 2 years, I guess)

MOD for CTB diff

[General]

Well, as we know, in a good collaboration diff, we are expecting to see varies of good pattern, different style, beautiful hitsound all together in one single diff.

But now, here, things not like what Iexpected. I don't know what is wrong with this diff, but we can see from the beginning to the end, there is really an only pattern in my eyes: hyperdash slider. or stand jump hyperdash slider (in fact they are same).

Please, that is wired, it is just seems like you are too lazy to think of the placement. Yeah I know, this pattern almost suits everywhere, from the beginning unitl the end of the map, we can all put patterns like this, and no one will say it is actual, definitely "wrong".

But it reflects a spirit, or motivation of map.

Do we map only for rank?
if the answer is "yes", then go for it, I will shut up and see.
if there is(I hope), a different voice, I think we should sit down, and think deeply what is actually "correct".

CTB mapping is not just simply put hyperdash on the whitetick. At least I think so.


[CTB Collab]
ok nazi start
all of them just "suggestion" , feel free to ignore but please give a reason. I want to study the mapping community also.
not gonna separate the mod to specific person, because it is really actually mapping with only one, I guess.

  1. 00:03:825 (1,2,3,4) - I dont see a reason for you to sudden change the flow here. doing an anti-flow is not a good idea here, why not just follow the previous and next pattern? it is just the beginning....
  2. 00:09:794 (5) - Decrease eternal spacing, facing 30 or 45 up this slider in connect with the next pattern
  3. 00:10:736 (5,6) - take out this doing an anti-flow better, there is a drum sound at (5). as what you do 00:11:364 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - here
  4. 00:11:993 (4,5,6,7) - making (4) and (5) more jump than (6) and (7), as the music shows
  5. 00:13:249 (3,4) - decrease the spacing here, because you are doing same thing 00:14:506 (4,5,6) - here
  6. 00:15:762 (5,6) - consider make more movement here, as you do the same at previous similar pattern
  7. 00:17:019 (4,5,6,7) - not suggest to do a jump here
  8. 00:17:647 (1,2) - also here
  9. 00:18:904 (1,2) - flow the drum sound, you should add jump here
  10. 00:22:516 - note? it feels really empty here
  11. 00:23:930 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - keep the jump constant. if you want to add hyper, just add, no need to make normal jump first..
  12. 00:25:029 (7,1,2) - keep spacing same for these 3 note
  13. 00:26:914 (3,4) - decrease spacing, create a increase --> decrease pattern
  14. 00:27:699 (1,2) - unnecessary hyperdash. I dont see a reason you need a big spacing here. please dont throw hyperdash by no means.
  15. if you decrease here, it can easily form an increase pattern from 00:27:699 (1) - here to 00:30:213 (1) - here
  16. 00:31:312 (3) - ctrl+G
  17. 00:34:296 (5,6,7) - increase 56 and decrease 78... currently not follow the music
  18. 01:31:155 (4,5) - really needs hyperdash? I think it should be at 01:31:469 (5,1) - here
  19. 01:33:668 (3,4) - stand movement is not superior, here really need to change a pattern as music already shows a different
  20. 01:34:296 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - can do a big jump decrease. the pattern here seems random
  21. 01:40:579 (1) - need to add a note 01:41:836 - here, so shorter this spinner to 01:41:521 - here, since spinner end is not consider a beat. also add note 01:41:993 - here
  22. 01:41:993 - in fact i really dont like this kind of idea. but your choice. make sure it is enjoyable
  23. 02:03:511 (2,3,4,5,6) - please do a proper increase. 02:03:747 (5) - to 108
  24. 02:05:003 (5) - ^ . to 224

  25. 04:02:254 (5) - ctrl+G
  26. 05:42:307 (2) - please put at right middle. to 296. and could this triangle pattern be forward not reversed? as differentiate to next pattern
  27. 05:44:192 (4) - ? is there a reason not stack to 05:43:563 (2) - ?


That's all.
Tidek
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Joined March 2011
Tidek
Will check Evening mod soon on 4k diff, sorry for delay.
neonat
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Topic Starter
neonat
For ming

ZHSteven wrote:

First real mod from long time rest (almost 2 years, I guess)

MOD for CTB diff


04:02:254 (5) - ctrl+G done



That's all.
tys~
Spectator
Elite Nominator / Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Joined February 2011
Spectator

ZHSteven wrote:

  1. 00:22:516 - note? it feels really empty here added
  2. 00:23:930 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - keep the jump constant. if you want to add hyper, just add, no need to make normal jump first..
  3. 00:25:029 (7,1,2) - keep spacing same for these 3 note I think it's fine as it is
  4. 00:26:914 (3,4) - decrease spacing, create a increase --> decrease pattern ok
  5. 00:27:699 (1,2) - unnecessary hyperdash. I dont see a reason you need a big spacing here. please dont throw hyperdash by no means.
  6. if you decrease here, it can easily form an increase pattern from 00:27:699 (1) - here to 00:30:213 (1) - here by no means? I threw it for emphasizing the strong instrumental sound here. no hdashes are meaningless
  7. 00:31:312 (3) - ctrl+G It makes the movement worse imo
  8. 00:34:296 (5,6,7) - increase 56 and decrease 78... currently not follow the music fixed

That's all.
thanks for the mod

http://puu.sh/mSYCE/60bfd6f3b3.osu
ZHSteven
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Joined July 2009
ZHSteven

Spectator wrote:

  1. 00:31:312 (3) - ctrl+G It makes the movement worse imo
    I guess this is the place I think need to emphrisize 00:31:155 - and - 00:31:469 - this two beat, so I think a reverse flow could be better
Equim
335 posts
Joined June 2014
Equim

ZHSteven wrote:

[General]

Well, as we know, in a good collaboration diff, we are expecting to see varies of good pattern, different style, beautiful hitsound all together in one single diff.

But now, here, things not like what Iexpected. I don't know what is wrong with this diff, but we can see from the beginning to the end, there is really an only pattern in my eyes: hyperdash slider. or stand jump hyperdash slider (in fact they are same).

Please, that is wired, it is just seems like you are too lazy to think of the placement. Yeah I know, this pattern almost suits everywhere, from the beginning unitl the end of the map, we can all put patterns like this, and no one will say it is actual, definitely "wrong".

But it reflects a spirit, or motivation of map.

Do we map only for rank?
if the answer is "yes", then go for it, I will shut up and see.
if there is(I hope), a different voice, I think we should sit down, and think deeply what is actually "correct".

CTB mapping is not just simply put hyperdash on the whitetick. At least I think so.
I agree with Steven. When I tested the diff for the first time, I saw the diff was spammed with 1/2s. Though I knew 1/2 did fit the song, we couldn't always work that way, as it was boring, especially for such a long song.
I remember Rin's words.

NatsumeRin wrote:

If your map could fit in other songs with the same BPM, then your map is bad.
Razor Sharp
1,167 posts
Joined October 2013
Razor Sharp

ZHSteven wrote:

First real mod from long time rest (almost 2 years, I guess)

[CTB Collab]
ok nazi start
all of them just "suggestion" , feel free to ignore but please give a reason. I want to study the mapping community also.
not gonna separate the mod to specific person, because it is really actually mapping with only one, I guess.

  1. 02:03:511 (2,3,4,5,6) - please do a proper increase. 02:03:747 (5) - to 108 - Fixed!
  2. 02:05:003 (5) - ^ . to 224 - Fixed!
  3. 04:02:254 (5) - ctrl+G - Fixed!
  4. 05:42:307 (2) - please put at right middle. to 296. and could this triangle pattern be forward not reversed? as differentiate to next pattern - Moved (2) to the middle. But will keep the triangle patterning here, as it makes up for a very interesting finish to the song.
  5. 05:44:192 (4) - ? is there a reason not stack to 05:43:563 (2) - ? - Fixed!


That's all.
Thanks for the mod!

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Xinely
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Joined April 2012
Xinely
oh damn i lost my reply because forum was down ;_;
just didnt fix 00:18:904 (1,2) - because i dont want make jump for 1/4 in calm part
01:34:296 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - just mapping as pianos sound for them, nerfing a bit tho
01:41:993 - eee? well just added a note

thank you 4 mod ~

http://puu.sh/mXZPC/b71dc820ca.osu
Tidek
1,571 posts
Joined March 2011
Tidek
Applied Evening mod for 4K collab

Update: http://puu.sh/n5Mvr/5cf43bfb75.txt
Kyouren
5,690 posts
Joined October 2012
Kyouren
neonat. you're forget enable "Widescreen Support" in Mania 7K Collab diff!
Please fixed that!
Velius1309
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Joined May 2014
Velius1309
Thank you very much for mapping this, absolutely love it! Keep up the good work
HueHueWarrior
6 posts
Joined November 2012
HueHueWarrior
This is so awesome :D, gonna practice this offline for a looooooong time.
AyyAyye
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Joined January 2014
AyyAyye
GO GO GO!
CelegaS
484 posts
Joined April 2012
CelegaS
Graveyard rip
Nwolf
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Joined September 2012
Nwolf
no taco icon
Bunnrei
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Joined May 2011
Bunnrei
no fruit
Xyyxo
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Joined October 2015
Xyyxo
I love this map... plez revive ;-;
Will support!!
AlisceaSparku
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Joined August 2013
AlisceaSparku
what happened?
Dab
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Dab
bubble when
koliron
791 posts
Joined July 2014
koliron
🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎
red fruits ≠ unrankable

sorry for late > <

Overdose

  • 🍎 00:02:412 (8,1,2,3) - this movement is a little weird imo, i'd make something like this

    to start with the strongest movement in the first fruit, then players wouldnt stop there
    🍎 00:04:768 (4,1) - an hyper here would be nice for the new stanza
    🍎 00:08:223 (5,6,7,8) - mmh there is not enough movement here, i can stop in 2 of these notes, thats weird to me, i'd make this as 00:07:595 (1,2,3,4) - with ctrl+g (also for aesthetic~)
    🍎 00:10:579 (4,5) - same as before about the hyper, for the hitsound
    🍎 00:18:904 (1) - shouldn't this be 1/2?
    🍎 00:19:532 (3,4,5,1) - woo! the sounds in 4,5 are pretty strong! i understand that its fine to not add hyper to emphasize (1) buuut dash would be nice! maybe 4 not much but 5 is easier to catch without use it
    🍎 00:22:987 (2) - this could be 1/8 too
    🍎 00:23:930 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i love u
    🍎 00:30:055 (7,1) - aaaa hyper here would be really nice to emphasize that strong sound -w-
    🍎 00:32:097 (2,3) - ^ considering that you added to 2 which has the same sound, try with 00:32:412 (3) - ctrl+g and a little to the right~
    🍎 00:40:265 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this is a little repetitive and boring imo, you could add more movements here, here is an example
    🍎 00:45:448 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - asd why suddenly the hypers and sliders are in 1/2? i'd change this as in 00:40:265 - , it could sounds a little repetitive but if you make interesting patterns it would be fine
    🍎 00:52:202 (3,4,5,6,1) - i understand the increase of distances until (6) for that sound in the background, but why is the distance to 00:52:830 (1) - so low? i'd add at least an hyper there
    🍎 00:55:343 (7,1) - the nc would be better in 00:55:343 -
    🍎 01:04:768 (3,4,5) - it would be a nice pattern with double hyper O: those sounds allow it!!1 as in 01:09:951 (4,5,6) -
    🍎 01:14:820 (4,5,6) - ^
    🍎 01:53:145 - mmh the rhythm here sound a little weird and inconsistent imo, here is an example to follow it better

    and repeat
    🍎 02:00:684 (1,2) - this one plays weird, i'd move 2 to the right, then players wouldnt stop here
    🍎 02:10:343 (7,8) - i'd add a dash or hyper here for that strong sound
    🍎 02:11:207 (4,5,6,7,8) - nice pattern, but it would be better with 02:11:207 (4,7) - a little to the right and 02:11:521 (6,8) - to the left
    🍎 02:11:521 (6,8) - and hyper here too(?
    🍎 02:32:726 (3,4,5,6,1) - same here, these sounds are pretty strong, i'd add some hypers and more distance, specially to 02:32:883 (4) -
    🍎 02:53:459 (1,2) - i'd add a little more distance here to not be so repetitive with the next pattern
    🍎 03:09:480 (2,1) - aaaa hard dash > < i'd reduce the distance a little or make an hyper
    🍎 03:27:385 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - nice patterrrnnn
    🍎 03:44:506 (2,1,2) - kek i think 1/4 would be better, is not that hard and the bpm is too much for 1/8, at least after 1/2 rhythm imo
    🍎 03:50:003 (1,2,3,4) - to not be so repetitive with 03:47:490 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - , i'd move 03:50:239 (2) - a little to the left and 03:50:553 (4) - , to the right to make a better movement too
    🍎 04:00:055 (1,2,3,4) - ^
    🍎 04:11:050 (4) - a double hyper here would be nice for the strong hitsound in 04:11:207 -
    🍎 04:51:260 (7,8) - also maybe an hyper here too, that sound is pretty strong and it is in kiai, specially because there were not much 1/4 in this kiai until now ):
    🍎 05:11:836 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i loved it, but the movements in 05:12:307 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - are a little weird and unaesthetic, i think you could add to all of them a little more distance to not stop the ryuuta
    🍎 05:15:998 (4,1) - ohhhh! the pattern in 05:15:448 (1,2,3,4) - was pretty nice! dont make it impossible to notice with this dash ): a hyper would make it much better
    🍎 05:26:679 (9) - try to move this some grids to the left, to improve that movement, because is like you need to stpo a little before the hyper

good luck! x3
Xinely
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Joined April 2012
Xinely

koliron wrote:

🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎 🍎
red fruits ≠ unrankable

sorry for late > <

Overdose

  • 🍎 00:02:412 (8,1,2,3) - this movement is a little weird imo, i'd make something like this need x coordination. i tried and it feels more weird

    to start with the strongest movement in the first fruit, then players wouldnt stop there
    🍎 00:04:768 (4,1) - an hyper here would be nice for the new stanza
    🍎 00:08:223 (5,6,7,8) - mmh there is not enough movement here, i can stop in 2 of these notes, thats weird to me, i'd make this as 00:07:595 (1,2,3,4) - with ctrl+g (also for aesthetic~)
    🍎 00:10:579 (4,5) - same as before about the hyper, for the hitsound
    🍎 00:18:904 (1) - shouldn't this be 1/2? nope, i even hear 1/4 sound is louder than 1/2 ayy
    🍎 00:19:532 (3,4,5,1) - woo! the sounds in 4,5 are pretty strong! i understand that its fine to not add hyper to emphasize (1) buuut dash would be nice! maybe 4 not much but 5 is easier to catch without use it
    🍎 02:32:726 (3,4,5,6,1) - same here, these sounds are pretty strong, i'd add some hypers and more distance, specially to 02:32:883 (4) -

good luck! x3
thanks kolichan ~

http://puu.sh/qAYUe/49fd9248df.osu
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
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Topic Starter
neonat

koliron wrote:

Overdose

  • 🍎 00:40:265 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this is a little repetitive and boring imo, you could add more movements here, here is an example I changed up the patterns
    🍎 00:45:448 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - asd why suddenly the hypers and sliders are in 1/2? i'd change this as in 00:40:265 - , it could sounds a little repetitive but if you make interesting patterns it would be fine Changed patterns as well
    🍎 01:53:145 - mmh the rhythm here sound a little weird and inconsistent imo, here is an example to follow it better I simplified the earlier parts

    and repeat
    🍎 02:00:684 (1,2) - this one plays weird, i'd move 2 to the right, then players wouldnt stop here I made some changes
    🍎 05:26:679 (9) - try to move this some grids to the left, to improve that movement, because is like you need to stpo a little before the hyper adjusted

good luck! x3
Thanks! Some changes for ming's part as well
Evening
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Joined December 2012
Evening
7K

-- Ichigaki

00:19:689 (19689|4,19846|4) - Would recommend to shift to 7 and 6 respectively just to match the pitch (you'd still have a column 3 hammer here so you kinda kill 2 birds with 1 stone with this pattern)

00:27:150 (27150|1,27464|5) - These are ghost notes, the synths technically starts from 00:27:072 (27072|0,27386|6) - but the starting synth sound is obscured by other instrumentals, so shift the current 1/2 LNs to those points (00:26:757 (26757|2,27072|4) - you have 1/4 synths here if you wanna map some 1/4s)

00:29:899 (29899|6,30056|3) - Recommending to add on 6 and 5 with 1/2 LNs here since the synths here are slightly louder and more prominent, so you might want to represent that

00:31:470 (31470|0) - Might want to convert 1 to an LN or just add a new 1/2 LN here for the synth

00:37:752 (37752|4,37909|3,37909|0,38066|5) - Felt kinda weird that you started the 1/4 at that point, there are 1/4s in between these notes too, so you might want to add them (if you really want to omit 1/4s for the intro just to create the "build-up" feeling, I'd suggest to start the 1/4s on the 3rd beat here instead of the 2nd)

00:39:637 (39637|0,39794|2,39951|3,40108|5,40265|1,40265|6,40265|0,40265|2) - If this followed PR it'd be great

-- DE-CADE

00:59:428 (59428|3) - Suggesting the following specifically for PR:
SPOILER

01:09:794 (69794|0,69951|2,70108|4,70108|6) - Stairing from the right to the left would be better for PR

01:10:108 (70108|6,70265|5) - Also, there's a 1/4 snare in between these 2 notes if you decide to map it

01:43:093 (103093|5) - For this section, notice how the song repeats a certain sound every 1/1 and it changes pitch every 2 measures or bars, so I'm suggesting to make 01:43:093 (103093|5,103721|6,104349|4,104977|3) - notes like these hammer on 1 finger, same goes to 01:45:606 (105606|6,106234|4,106862|6,107490|4) - but on a different finger, and so on. Personally felt that this section was a bit confusing to follow since

01:54:559 (114559|1) - I'm not too sure what is the significance of the 1/2 rhythm here since it doesn't seem to be emphasizing anything too unique, same comment goes to 01:57:072 (117072|1) - and so on

-- Ichigaki

02:20:789 (140789|6,140789|3,140789|0,140867|4,140946|5,140946|2,141025|1,141103|0,141103|6,141103|3,141182|4,141260|2,141260|5,141339|1,141417|0,141417|6,141417|3,141496|5,141574|2,141574|4,141653|1) - While I do think these patterns here flow really well and are rather smooth to play, I think you can up the physical demands here by doing some sort of trill since the music kind of builds up here towards the 1/8s

-- DE-CADE

02:58:799 (178799|5,178956|1,179428|4,179585|2) - Quite confused on what these go to

03:04:611 (184611|4,184650|2,184689|0) - The 1/8 added into the 1/4 stream here gets quite confusing for me (though I kinda do it somehow), would recommend to shift these to 2 4 6 respectively and probably shift 03:04:768 (184768|4) - to 1 so as to separate the bursts into the 2 4 6 column (if you'd like)

-- Ichigaki

03:14:820 (194820|2,195134|4,195449|5,195763|2) - Would suggest to stair to the left here for PR

-- DE-CADE

03:31:627 (211627|4,211784|6,211784|3) - Shouldn't these hammer due to what you've done @ 03:32:883 (212883|3,213040|3) - and 03:34:140 (214140|6,214297|6) -

03:39:794 (219794|0,219794|5,219951|5,219951|0,219951|2) - Would suggest to not hammer these as I think that if you'd save these hammers for the more prominent sounds like 03:41:051 (221051|6,221051|1,221208|0,221208|6,221208|5,221208|3,221208|2) - or 03:38:538 (218538|4,218538|1,218695|6,218695|1,218695|2,218695|5) - , it'd be more effective

03:46:234 (226234|3) - What I dislike about the kiai is the difficulty management in general here:
so for these LNs 03:47:490 (227490|4,227805|3,228119|2,228433|4) - , they are very much more difficult than that of 03:50:004 (230004|0,230318|0,230632|1,230946|1) - though they somewhat sound similar, I believe that if you'd made the 2nd part similar in difficulty and patterning as the first, it'd feel more consistent in difficulty

03:47:176 (227176|6,227333|5) - I'm not too sure why you omitted these as being LNs even though they are included in the synths? Same goes to 03:57:229 (237229|0,237386|1) -

04:06:025 (246025|3,246025|2,246182|1,246182|0,246260|4,246260|5,246339|0,246339|2,246339|1) - This has 5 1/4s for snares, not too sure why the 2nd 1/4 here is omitted

-- Ichigaki

04:06:339 (246339|2) - Talking about difficulty here in general, I do believe your section is slightly easier that DE-CADE's here which felt slightly abnormal. Specifically, the LN complexity here is lower than DE-CADE's section here, I do believe that you can add something a bit more complex into the section here just to beef up the difficulty, after all, the music here sounds a bit more intense than that of DE-CADE's section.

04:26:443 (266443|5) - There's potential here to go ham in terms of difficulty of the LNs but it's fine if you don't really want to

05:51:888 (351888|3) - (there's a sample 2/1 after this note) 5:52:517 bell.wav@10% uhh you should remove this from the sample since I don't think it's necessary to have another bell there lmao

4K

-- Fullerene- (oh wait isn't he like out or something, someone fix this for him, neoneoneoneo)

00:01:469 (1469|3) - Not too sure why is the soft-hitnormal this loud, you might want to make this a hihat.wav @ 70% (this applies to everything here that sounds way too loud)

oh my god everything here has a soft-hitnormal that sounds really loud what do i do neoneoneoneoneo

-- Sakaya-

01:00:605 (60605|1,61234|2) - I don't think ghost notes here are justified enough to be rankable, unless you have a really good reason to keep these in this section? (this applies to the whole section here)

02:23:537 (143537|1,144165|1) - These too

-- _Gezo_

02:43:642 (163642|2,164270|0) - "I don't think ghost notes here are justified enough to be rankable, unless you have a really good reason to keep these in this section? (this applies to the whole section here)"

-- Kuo Kyoka

Since you're the nearest collaber, remove this 5:52:517 bell.wav@10% thingy on the sample :d
Kurokotei
Featured Artist
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Kurokotei

Evening wrote:

-- Sakaya- *Sayaka-

01:00:605 (60605|1,61234|2) - I don't think ghost notes here are justified enough to be rankable, unless you have a really good reason to keep these in this section? (this applies to the whole section here) mostly to make stuff denser otherwise there would be a large difference between Tidek's part and mine

02:23:537 (143537|1,144165|1) - These too same as above
Thanks for the mod! don't kill me for the answer pls
Evening
2,464 posts
Joined December 2012
Evening

Sayaka- wrote:

Evening wrote:

-- Sakaya- *Sayaka-

01:00:605 (60605|1,61234|2) - I don't think ghost notes here are justified enough to be rankable, unless you have a really good reason to keep these in this section? (this applies to the whole section here) mostly to make stuff denser otherwise there would be a large difference between Tidek's part and mine

02:23:537 (143537|1,144165|1) - These too same as above
Thanks for the mod! don't kill me for the answer pls
oh woops, name typo ,_,

anyways, I'm not too sure about ghost notes at this level being rankable, might have to refer to a QAT to confirm this :p
Kurokotei
Featured Artist
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Kurokotei

Evening wrote:

oh woops, name typo ,_,

anyways, I'm not too sure about ghost notes at this level being rankable, might have to refer to a QAT to confirm this :p
yeah probably, I'm still quite new to 4K charting after all lol
Evening
2,464 posts
Joined December 2012
Evening
@Sayaka-

Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
So
Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
in the 4K diff right
Evening - Today at 11:33 PM
ja
Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
This are clearly ghost notes for me
Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
And
Evening - Today at 11:35 PM
so i assume it's not too ok
Feerum - Today at 11:35 PM
^this
Evening - Today at 11:35 PM
will tell sayaka
Yuzeyun
7,646 posts
Joined September 2010
Yuzeyun
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rdcg6tbtgacm1 ... D.osu?dl=0

>i don't care about ghost notes, my kiai 2 part looked way too much like fullerene's.
Kurokotei
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1,648 posts
Joined June 2010
Kurokotei

Evening wrote:

@Sayaka-

Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
So
Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
in the 4K diff right
Evening - Today at 11:33 PM
ja
Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
This are clearly ghost notes for me
Feerum - Today at 11:33 PM
And
Evening - Today at 11:35 PM
so i assume it's not too ok
Feerum - Today at 11:35 PM
^this
Evening - Today at 11:35 PM
will tell sayaka
okay then, fixed
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Akasha-
Nomination Assessment Team
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Akasha-
sorry, i just back
http://puu.sh/rKTf4/a0143c814a.rar here is the update for both diff
What's changes?
I fixed hs for both diffs
Some selfchange from my parts

Also thank Evening for modding
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
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Joined July 2013
Ascendance
Lost my drafted reply, can't be asked to rewrite it :<

I fixed pretty much everything on Spec and CLSW's parts, so thanks!

http://puu.sh/rMKnh/73c578b327.txt
LightMax
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Joined October 2015
LightMax
Hi there,
I kinda like the song and I volunteer to create another 4k or 7k ver. of this song can I? I'll make it 3 - 4* so it will be playable by most people.
but if you want only 1 collab ver. for mania (to keep the thread clean). I'll just start a new thread for mania maps, which I'm going to do it anyway. :)
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
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Topic Starter
neonat

LightMax wrote:

Hi there,
I kinda like the song and I volunteer to create another 4k or 7k ver. of this song can I? I'll make it 3 - 4* so it will be playable by most people.
but if you want only 1 collab ver. for mania (to keep the thread clean). I'll just start a new thread for mania maps, which I'm going to do it anyway. :)
At this point I do not intend to add any more difficulties
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
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Topic Starter
neonat
Still waiting for an update from 7k, still no news from that.
cyprianz5
249 posts
Joined February 2013
cyprianz5
is this going to be ranked finally!!1
BoberOfDarkness
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BoberOfDarkness

CypCypCyprian wrote:

is this going to be ranked finally!!1
nope
xarathas
16 posts
Joined November 2013
xarathas
Aw man, I was so hyped when I saw that it got a leaderboard, the standard map is one of those map I always go back to once or twice a week since it's incredibly fun to play. Was a little sad to see it is 'only' loved, was really hoping for it to be ranked it the near future, still congrats though I guess ?_?
Ichigaki
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Ichigaki

Evening wrote:

7K

-- Ichigaki

00:19:689 (19689|4,19846|4) - Would recommend to shift to 7 and 6 respectively just to match the pitch (you'd still have a column 3 hammer here so you kinda kill 2 birds with 1 stone with this pattern) Sounds nice

00:27:150 (27150|1,27464|5) - These are ghost notes, the synths technically starts from 00:27:072 (27072|0,27386|6) - but the starting synth sound is obscured by other instrumentals, so shift the current 1/2 LNs to those points (00:26:757 (26757|2,27072|4) - you have 1/4 synths here if you wanna map some 1/4s) Hmm, removed

00:29:899 (29899|6,30056|3) - Recommending to add on 6 and 5 with 1/2 LNs here since the synths here are slightly louder and more prominent, so you might want to represent that I'll match it to the others first

00:31:470 (31470|0) - Might want to convert 1 to an LN or just add a new 1/2 LN here for the synth Sure things

00:37:752 (37752|4,37909|3,37909|0,38066|5) - Felt kinda weird that you started the 1/4 at that point, there are 1/4s in between these notes too, so you might want to add them (if you really want to omit 1/4s for the intro just to create the "build-up" feeling, I'd suggest to start the 1/4s on the 3rd beat here instead of the 2nd) Well, yes, added those notes

00:39:637 (39637|0,39794|2,39951|3,40108|5,40265|1,40265|6,40265|0,40265|2) - If this followed PR it'd be great Okay

-- Ichigaki

02:20:789 (140789|6,140789|3,140789|0,140867|4,140946|5,140946|2,141025|1,141103|0,141103|6,141103|3,141182|4,141260|2,141260|5,141339|1,141417|0,141417|6,141417|3,141496|5,141574|2,141574|4,141653|1) - While I do think these patterns here flow really well and are rather smooth to play, I think you can up the physical demands here by doing some sort of trill since the music kind of builds up here towards the 1/8s i make this climax part into doubles because of its 'build-up' sound

-- Ichigaki

03:14:820 (194820|2,195134|4,195449|5,195763|2) - Would suggest to stair to the left here for PR not so bad, pretty good

-- Ichigaki

04:06:339 (246339|2) - Talking about difficulty here in general, I do believe your section is slightly easier that DE-CADE's here which felt slightly abnormal. Specifically, the LN complexity here is lower than DE-CADE's section here, I do believe that you can add something a bit more complex into the section here just to beef up the difficulty, after all, the music here sounds a bit more intense than that of DE-CADE's section. I agree with you, I'm gonna make this part intensely better xd

04:26:443 (266443|5) - There's potential here to go ham in terms of difficulty of the LNs but it's fine if you don't really want to I will think it again

05:51:888 (351888|3) - (there's a sample 2/1 after this note) 5:52:517 bell.wav@10% uhh you should remove this from the sample since I don't think it's necessary to have another bell there lmao I'm not really into this, but KK said he will take of it
EDIT:
Thank you for the mods, Evening

update

your turn DE-CADE.

I abandon the hitsounds while checking the mods, sorry, Raymond ;)
Lirai
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Joined December 2013
Lirai
i did remap whole my pattern to fit with ichi's pattern on this map. also fix some of your mod thanks

https://puu.sh/tEeKl/3c53d54bd2.rar


apologies being so late, its so complicated
Evening
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Evening
cat ear hoodies u wu

nokds

7K

think i mentioned this before but the soft-hitnormal is rather loud, kind of drowning the other non-default hitsounds, might want to get a custom soft-hitnormal that is just softer or somehow tone down every soft-hitnormal

01:31:155 (91155|0) - not too sure what's with this note using a drum.wav in particular since other places ( 01:32:412 (92412|6) - 01:33:668 (93668|3) - ) use snares for this kick in the music

think others are ok tho

4K

03:46:234 (226234|0) - make this a quad or something to emphasize the entrance to the chorus

as for hitsounds in general, I'm really not sure about storyboard hitsound here, it feels a bit unneeded

-- get a qat to confirm this if you can't I think it can be overlooked anyways, it's not too significant
02:43:642 (163642|2,164270|0) - "I don't think ghost notes here are justified enough to be rankable, unless you have a really good reason to keep these in this section? (this applies to the whole section here)"
04:16:783 (256783|2) - ^

others look fine
Akasha-
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Akasha-
http://puu.sh/ujmyd/66bdd3d7d6.rar fixed all
most of my hitsound all have storyboard notes just to fill the missing hitsounds sooooooo

well, it was personal
thank you for modding Evening
Blocko
osu! Alumni
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Blocko

Evening wrote:

-- get a qat to confirm this if you can't I think it can be overlooked anyways, it's not too significant
relaying message beep beep

---


4K Collab
02:43:642 (163642|2,164270|0) - 02:46:155 (166155|2,166783|0) - 02:48:668 (168668|3,169296|1) - 02:51:181 (171181|3,171809|0) - Looks like ghost notes to me
It'd be cool if those could be shifted up to the next blue line e.g. 02:43:799 - , 02:44:427 - , etc.

I don't really see why those guys 02:52:124 (172124|2,173066|1) - are there though.

04:16:783 (256783|2) - This one's looks fine (the whole part i mean)
neonat
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neonat
Updated that section
JBHyperion
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JBHyperion
Casting opinions on ready-ness of the catch diff

CtB Collab
  1. AR9.3 felt a bit slow for reading 1/4 jumps at 191BPM. I'd prefer something like 9.5
  2. Man this storyboard is OP, crashed my computer 3 times just trying to mod it ;w;
  3. Rename to osu!catch Collab

Xinely
  1. 00:14:977 (6,1) - Hyper against the wall can destabilise the player, and this is still a calm section anyway so there's no need for such a strong movement.Reduce the strength here please
  2. 01:23:459 (4,5) - Consider a hyper here? This sound is noticeable stronger than the previous 01:21:103 (5,5) -
  3. 01:26:757 (1,2,3) - Strong antiflow use doesn't feel fitting here to me, these sounds are relatively calm
  4. 01:29:113 (8,1,2) - Please no, this is a strong hyper into strong dash and the sound (2) isn't even notable. (1) at x-400 or so is much more fitting
  5. 01:30:527 - Why is the patterning here so intense given this is such a calm part of the song? You have confusing almost-dashes like 01:31:155 (4,5) -, random distance placement on one of the only notable sections at 01:32:412 (5,6,7,8,1) - that feels unfitting, and then you decide to skip your hyper patterning on 01:37:124 (2,3) - 01:38:380 (2,3) - so it also feels inconsistent. I'd strongly reconsider simplifying this section
  6. 01:39:637 (3) - There's no 1/8 sounds here, so not sure what you're following. At best, you could justify this as a 1/4 repeat slider, although I feel even the beat at 01:39:715 - is not necessary to map here, instead focusing on the strong piano triplet
  7. 04:28:328 (3,4) - No reason to extend this to a 3/4 slider given the sound present clearly ends on the red tick, keep it at 1/2 please. Same applies to 04:38:380 (3,4) -

Spectator
  1. 00:22:673 (1,2) - 1/4 hyper transition is in the same direction as previous movement, creating an awkward change in pace where the player has to stop completely and then continue in the same direction. Placing (2) on the right side would be more comfortable
  2. 00:25:029 (7,1) - Unsure why you're missing a hyper here, considering this is the same intensity as 00:20:003 (5,1) -
  3. 00:25:972 (2,1) - Hypers against the screen border are heavily discouraged in the current ranking criteria as they can easily destabilise the player. Bring this at least a few grid spaces away from the wall please
  4. 03:17:333 (1,1) - Unexpected strong dash considering all your other transitions are walkable or tap-dashable, I'd reduce this slightly

neonat
  1. 00:43:406 (3,4) - Compare this to the prior 00:42:778 (1,2) - and you'll notice it's quite a bit higher. The stronger dash after hyper comes unexpectedly and is quite easy to miss, so you'd do well to move (4) to the right a few grid spaces
  2. 00:45:448 (1,2) - ^ Same deal here though this one is even more problematic due to the prior difficulty of 00:44:977 (1,2,3) -
  3. 00:50:003 (2,3,4,5,6) - More of a curve (L or C shaped) would improve flow here. As it stands, the hyper is quite strong and the movement necessary to catch this 5plet is quite slight, so overshooting is very possible
  4. 01:46:076 (3,4) - Another unexpected dash after hyper that could be made more comfortable with slightly reduced distancing
  5. 01:56:443 (6,7) - Usage of hyper here is unfitting given the sound intensity, and inconsistent with your previous patterning. Carrying on with your previous walking triplets would be the best option here
  6. 01:57:542 (6,7) - As I said for some of the other guys, hypers against the screen border are strongly discouraged in the current RC as the forced stop can easily throw the player off, making the next dash unnecessarily hard. Moving this to x-496 already makes this far more lenient
  7. 02:00:684 (1,2) - (2) is unexpectedly far from (1), forcing a difficult wiggle pattern here which is quite unexpected given your others iterations of this pattern, e.g. 02:00:055 (4,5) - are much more lenient. I'd bring (2) a little to the left for better flow
  8. 02:02:883 (9,10,1) - Seems odd to have such strong hypers on the weak (9,10), but a weak one to the strong bell chime sound on (1)
  9. 05:26:286 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - I'd curve this stream more to the right, in order to create a hyper to (1). That bell chime sound is one of the last strong sounds in the song, so it would be fitting to give it more emphasis

mingmichael
  1. 01:10:265 (6,1) - There's a 1/4 kick drum triplet here that would provide a little pattern variety against the presently monotonous 1/2 jump patterns
  2. 03:03:668 (2,3) - Strong hyper into stack, then continuing in the same direction of movement is a major flowbreaker and very uncomfortable to play at this kind of snapping. Since 03:04:414 (3,1) - has a similar problem, Ctrl+H 03:04:139 (1,2,3) - and respacing would be a relatively simple fix that greatly improves playability here
  3. 04:46:548 - 90% vertical sliders with hypers for 20 seconds is seriously boring to play and anticlimactic for the end of the kiai. You can do so much more here to make this section stand out

CLSW
  1. 02:03:197 (1,2) - Unexpectedly high spacing after the previous hyper considering this is a weak sound. Fix will depend on what you/neonat decides to do with the previous pattern I mentioned 02:02:883 (9,10,1) -
  2. 02:18:825 (5,1,2) - Kinda excessive considering you're building intensity here and this is right at the start of this buildup. Add the fact that this is 50% stronger than any other hyper in this section and you'll see it's quite unfitting. (1) at ex. x-200 would play much better. Same applies to 02:20:160 (1) at ~ x-316, since it's a copy paste flip
  3. 03:27:621 (2,3,4,5) - This antiflow isn't called for at all, you're in a calm section so a pattern requiring such precision is seriously unexpected - contrast with 03:29:898 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - for example. Remove either the antiflow or the (if you really want to keep the antiflow) the hypers please, since a walking antiflow pattern would be more manageable, if not still a little unfitting in my opinion
  4. 05:08:537 (1) - Feels better as a curve to me, but maybe just personal preference
  5. 05:11:679 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - Any reason why you decided to forego all hypers here? Feels a bit out of place given the surrounding patterns, 05:12:228 (8,1) - 05:12:857 (8,1) - deserve one at least for consistency
  6. 05:28:485 (2,3) - 05:30:998 (2,1) - Hyper would be much more fitting at 05:31:469 (2,1) - 05:28:956 (4,1) - for the new measures, there's nothing particularly special about the sounds you have them on now
Hope these suggestions help. The map seems generally fine to me besides the points mentioned, and I tried to keep the older style in mind when modding. That said, a couple of opinions from experienced modders on this wouldn't hurt, since I may have missed some things.

Good luck! (:
CLSW
osu! Alumni
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CLSW
all done

some additional comments :
02:18:275 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - pattern renewal here, to get more make sense
03:31:155 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - renewal
03:41:207 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - renewal stream jumps
03:44:977 (1,2,3,1) - renewal, to make 03:45:919 (1) - special due to its kick sound
05:06:652 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Stream shape overhaul
05:44:349 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Made more intense flow for the finale
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
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Topic Starter
neonat
Fixed them, also adjusted 01:43:092 - 02:03:197 to be less sudden in dashes

Thanks!
Yuzeyun
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Yuzeyun

neonat wrote:

Updated that section
*rearranged
NEONAT PLS..............
Tidek
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Joined March 2011
Tidek

Blocko wrote:

Evening wrote:

-- get a qat to confirm this if you can't I think it can be overlooked anyways, it's not too significant
---

4K Collab
04:16:783 (256783|2) - This one's looks fine (the whole part i mean)
Well, if 4:16 part looks fine, then no changes here from me.
Spectator
Elite Nominator / Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Joined February 2011
Spectator
all fixed from JBH's mod
Nostalgic_old
597 posts
Joined January 2013
Nostalgic_old
Not sure if it's mentioned before but shouldn't the source be KAKATTEKOYEAH!!!!?
neonat
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neonat

Nostalgic wrote:

Not sure if it's mentioned before but shouldn't the source be KAKATTEKOYEAH!!!!?
You don't use album names as sources
neonat
Beatmap Nominator
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Topic Starter
neonat
Update on some changes (took over some parts due to people being busy):

00:14:977 (6,1) - reduced spacing
01:23:459 (4,5) - increased spacing but not till hyper
01:29:270 (1) - brought it to x:400
01:30:527 - made the patterns dash every 2 beats
4:28:328 (3,4) - 04:38:380 (3,4) - removed extended sliders
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
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Joined April 2014
Xinnoh
lets take a look see, I more just check for playability

[notice] CtB Collab

Xinely
00:09:165 (3) - This piano could use some more emphasis here, could ctrl-g + move right.
00:16:391 (1,2) - These really don't flow together, making it 100% straight might work better
01:24:087 (8,1) - edge dash
01:33:040 (1,3) - hyper at x=less than 16 is against guidelines, fix those
01:26:757 (1) - For this part, reverse flow hypers are used on quiet sounds, and follows slider body on strong sounds. The jump at 01:27:699 (4,1) - breaks this though, change flow a bit. imo i’d just ctrl-h the pattern after
01:29:270 (1,2) - Spacing too large here for soft sound
01:37:752 (5,6) - smaller spacing here despite higher pitch sound
02:33:040 (5,6) - spacing kinda small here
02:33:982 (3,4) - spacing too large
04:26:443 (1) - to 04:28:642 (4) - this is pretty much the same pattern, mix up
04:29:427 (4,5) - edge dashy
04:30:998 (4,5,6) - using hypers with different distances changes the speed, which plays weird. also reminder to make sure to move hypers away to x16/496 here too
04:35:003 (5) - move right easier to catch without stopping
04:36:338 (6) - reduce spacing, little unexpected
04:40:893 (3,4) - ^
04:44:977 (7) - this stream could really use change, stopping + walking to catch really isn’t fun

Neonat
00:40:580 (2,3) - Reduce spacing a bit
00:47:961 (2,3) - imo 3 should be a little closer, since the tail is farther away + harder to reach than normal
00:50:317 (6) - This could really use a hyperdash
01:43:092 (1) - Increase movement here, unexpected for a stronger sound here to have less movement.
01:47:804 (1) - weird flow, use something like this instead
01:54:087 (9,1) - spacing too large
01:57:228 (4,5) - ^
02:00:684 (1) - just replace with 4x repeat instead
01:58:014 (8,1,6,7) - bit of inconsistency with patterns, can you reduce spacing on second
05:16:548 (3,1) - 1/4s + antiflow is overdoing it,
05:19:061 (6,1) - edge dash, remove
hey not bad tbh

Spec
00:30:213 (1) - This could use more emphasis
00:52:359 (4,5,6) - Not sure if three hypers are fine here considering they’re unmapped in some other places, fairly inconsistent.
00:59:113 (1,2,3,4) - This curve could probably be made cleaner
00:59:977 (6) - sounds a bit odd not to map the snare here
04:25:501 (2,4) - would be much easier to follow if these were on the same cooridinate, or further so they’re different

CLSW
03:26:129 (1) - this section’s sv is really high, especially since it was before a slow section. would it be possible to lower it a bit?
03:42:464 (1) - might be a bit much to introduce both direction change for sliders on the edges and in the middle. Might be better if the middle pattern changed direction after each one, so it’s less sudden.
05:11:914 (4,5) - can you reduce these by a little
05:28:642 (3,4,1) - reduce 4,1 a bit since you decrease SV in the last two sliders
05:34:768 (2,1) - nerf the hypers at least a bit, nothing changed from the previous section at all
05:44:349 (1) - increase the SV to 1.3x or 1.4x here, would make this pattern easier.


Ming
not going to bother with your parts much because reject + it’s my style, but
02:52:987 (5) - ctrl-g dash is kinda big after hyper
03:02:569 (2) - really missing out on the 1/3s here
03:46:234 (1) - fundamentally, there’s nothing wrong here, it just gets kinda boring to play vertical sliders through the whole thing
04:47:176 (3,1) - Can you adjust these so that the droplets are easier to catch, just move them out a bit
again, this section gets really repetitive with non stop copy paste + ctrl-h, is there really nothing that can be done to make it fun to play while keeping your style? Not everything in that section would need a hyper
neonat
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neonat

Sinnoh wrote:

lets take a look see, I more just check for playability

[notice] CtB Collab

Neonat
00:40:580 (2,3) - Reduce spacing a bit I made the spacing between 1-3 equal
00:47:961 (2,3) - imo 3 should be a little closer, since the tail is farther away + harder to reach than normal the distance from 3 to the next is still decent, as for between 2 to 3, I think the spacing would not be an issue here
00:50:317 (6) - This could really use a hyperdash though it has a point, I do not really want to implement a dash in the 1/4 beat, it's quite sudden
01:43:092 (1) - Increase movement here, unexpected for a stronger sound here to have less movement. shifted slightly more as well
01:47:804 (1) - weird flow, use something like this instead what 'this' is I am not sure, but I ctrl + G
01:54:087 (9,1) - spacing too large
01:57:228 (4,5) - ^ I made some slight 1 note adjustments on these
02:00:684 (1) - just replace with 4x repeat instead ok
01:58:014 (8,1,6,7) - bit of inconsistency with patterns, can you reduce spacing on second ok
05:16:548 (3,1) - 1/4s + antiflow is overdoing it, I tried to ctrl + g it
05:19:061 (6,1) - edge dash, remove I made it a hyper
hey not bad tbh

Ming

03:02:569 (2) - really missing out on the 1/3s here
04:47:176 (3,1) - Can you adjust these so that the droplets are easier to catch, just move them out a bit

these 2 were edited from the suggestions
Thanks!
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03:26:129 (1) - There are more instrument usages compared with the part just before, so it's fine with increasing a bit imo
03:42:464 (1) - It doesn't feel that hard and unexpected I think so I'd like to keep this until some more experienced players point them out
05:11:679 (1) - It's important to keep distance on 05:11:679 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) for me

Others were fixed, thanks!

http://puu.sh/wh3Mq/5a6322ad88.zip
neonat
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For the rest of the mod

Sinnoh wrote:

[notice] CtB Collab

Xinely
00:09:165 (3) - This piano could use some more emphasis here, could ctrl-g + move right. the main emphasis is on every first beat of a bar
01:26:757 (1) - For this part, reverse flow hypers are used on quiet sounds, and follows slider body on strong sounds. The jump at 01:27:699 (4,1) - breaks this though, change flow a bit. imo i’d just ctrl-h the pattern after the jump at 01:27:699 (4,1) is the same though, as for the quiet sounds, I don't really see what these sounds are, for they seem pronounced, as in where the current sliders start, and where the hypers are located in the song
01:29:270 (1,2) - Spacing too large here for soft sound
01:37:752 (5,6) - smaller spacing here despite higher pitch sound those are the secondary layer of the song and is not the layer being idealized
02:33:982 (3,4) - spacing too large it's equal with the rest
04:26:443 (1) - to 04:28:642 (4) - this is pretty much the same pattern, mix up well the rhythm is the same, but the movement differs
04:36:338 (6) - reduce spacing, little unexpected leads to the next section, higher strength

Spec
00:30:213 (1) - This could use more emphasis just a slight increase
00:52:359 (4,5,6) - Not sure if three hypers are fine here considering they’re unmapped in some other places, fairly inconsistent. song does gradually start increasing in volume, tune of the song changes eventually as well, it changes as you go along and may seem irregular
00:59:977 (6) - sounds a bit odd not to map the snare here having it continuous makes it harder to emphasize the gap, I think it better to have the 5 note lead-in instead of a connector from the last slider
Others were changed, thanks!
Monstrata
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Bubbled!

Sorry it took so long.
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Ooooooooooooo neonat you finally did it!!!!
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:O It's happening!
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HOLY SHIT LET'S GO
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it's happening omg
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rip
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Finally! Yes!
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Popped for snapping issues related to ⅙ and ⅛

Sorry for coming in out of nowhere. I was interested to rebubble, but had to take a look at the whole set first.

Std Collab
looks fine

CtB Collab
01:29:584 (3) - 01:39:637 (3) - These should be snapped to ⅙, not ⅛.
02:52:516 (2) - These are snapped as ¼ on the standard diff, but that’s acceptable for keeping playability. Here, there’s almost no reason not to use ⅙ because they play identical, and it follows the song better. (Especially when it’s inconsistent with how 03:02:569 (2) - was mapped as ⅙ too)

Popped for the issues above, placing a veto until there are additional changes made below.

There are huge inconsistencies within the difficulty between each collab mapper. Some are mapping a rain, some are mapping a deluge. This is most prevalent with CLSW’s sections, which were remapped a couple months ago, whereas the rest of the diff was made 3 years ago.

05:06:652 (1) - This section is one of the hardest parts in the map, making it inconsistent with the whole diff. Having high spacing between the repetitive sliders of 05:06:966 (2,3) - provides significant challenge to the player. Combined with frequent use of large ¼ hyperdashes every 1/1 makes this section much harder than any part of the kiai, which had much more limited movement and was much easier to play.
This section is far more intense to play than the rest of the diff, while the music is far weaker and is fading to the outro.

Fortunately, this is incredibly easy to fix. If you search on the thread for an older version of the collab, you can see how much has changed. All streams in this section above are much more organised, clear to follow, and match the intensity of the song. While remapping, it was decided for one reason or another that buffing his sections from 6.5* to 7.2* was a good idea?
I would honestly be fine with rebubbling if the current version of this section was replaced with the old one.


There are many more overmapping issues on CLSW's sections, in no order

05:15:448 (1,2,1) - The song intensity here has completely dropped to zero, only small wubs are in the music. Yet there are full screen jumps again. Reduce the distance to match the song’s intensity. If you compare this section to the old version, there aren’t even hyperdashes used.

05:36:495 (3,4) - This is a massive full-screen jump on some of the least intense drums in the least intense section of the entire song. They’re mapped with almost the same intensity of the buildup to the kiai at 02:20:788 (1) - .

02:20:788 (1,2,3,4) - There’s a buildup here, but it’s far too large compared to everything prior and after this. Nerf it to what it was 3 years ago.

03:26:129 (1) - Reduce the slider velocity used here. There’s more movement used than in the kiai sections, which contrasts the intensity of the song.

03:41:207 (1) - It’s honestly just disappointing for me that you value following pp more than following the song.
If this was just a CLSW map, it would have probably been acceptable, where the rest of the map would have had the same consistent difficulty with his own sections. However, the other mappers viewpoints were not considered when CLSW made changes to his sections. Until these are changed to be consistent with the other parts again, I can't agree with this set being pushed to rank.


Further unrelated issues which should be addressed
01:24:087 (8,1) - Edge dash here, combined with fullscreen hyperdashes at 01:24:558 (2,3,4) - make this pattern really awkward to play.
01:48:590 (3) - Why is this slider reversed, it sounds identical to all other triples in this section and has nothing in the music to make it distinct.
04:11:364 (1) - This pattern feels really out of place with all the antiflow and fast movement that’s going on. Changing this pattern would follow the rest of the map much better.
04:44:663 - This stream shape could really be improved, using two straight lines like this is very uncomfortable to play compared to curves that most other maps use.
05:45:134 (2) - This is much harder to play compared to the rest of the stream, and has no strong or significant sound on it. Ctrl-g for flow would be a better option here, same for 3 and probably 4.

Call me back once you think these issues have been fixed.
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Adjusted each point, what was changed at 03:26:129 (1) was rather positioning
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ctb changes are :ok_hand:
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Mania 4k Collab
1|2|3|4
  1. 02:04:453 - 02:09:480 - I think you should have 1/2 notes on both, instead of 1/1 then 1/2
  2. 02:50:946 - I suggest adding 3-note chords on 1/1 for emphasis on heavy sound for this part
  3. 03:06:652 - make it more like 03:09:480 ?
  4. 03:16:705 - Same here. I think the LN section should match the music more, right now I don't think it fits at all
  5. 03:37:438 - 03:39:951 - I think 3-note chords would be good here
  6. 04:06:024 - I'm not sure about this part. It sounds like 04:06:338 - should be heavier. Maybe make LN end earlier and have a big chord? And add more jack? I think it definitely fits, but not sure how to add it
  7. 04:11:207 (251207|1,251207|3,251207|2) - I think remove |2| here as 3-note seems too over the top. It would still be emphasised by the jack, plays nicer
  8. 04:45:370 (285370|3,285448|2,285527|1,285605|3,285605|0) - I think you should continue this through 04:45:605 - here
  9. 05:16:705 - This section should really be the same as 05:06:652 - , they sound identical. I don't think intensity should decrease
Good luck! Hope I was helpful!
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Toehoe wrote:

Mania 4k Collab
1|2|3|4
  1. 04:11:207 (251207|1,251207|3,251207|2) - I think remove |2| here as 3-note seems too over the top. It would still be emphasised by the jack, plays nicer leading in into the next section, so it is stronger with 3 notes
  2. 04:45:370 (285370|3,285448|2,285527|1,285605|3,285605|0) - I think you should continue this through 04:45:605 - here there really isn't anything there though, the 1/4 ends at the current location
  3. 05:16:705 - This section should really be the same as 05:06:652 - , they sound identical. I don't think intensity should decrease it is true the collab of the other diff differs, but the progression of slowing down differs between them, this one is leaning more towards the increasing slowdown shown in the ctb and std as well
Good luck! Hope I was helpful!
Thanks for looking though, Unmei Muma will reply to the rest soon!
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Answering points on Sayaka-'s parts as per his request

Toehoe wrote:

Mania 4k Collab
1|2|3|4
  1. 02:04:453 - 02:09:480 - I think you should have 1/2 notes on both, instead of 1/1 then 1/2 while the idea is good in essence, i'd like to keep the current pattern to show a buildup instead of having the same density throughout.
  2. 02:50:946 - I suggest adding 3-note chords on 1/1 for emphasis on heavy sound for this part done
  3. 03:06:652 - make it more like 03:09:480 ? changed the pattern of the beginning a bit to fit more what was done a bit later
  4. 03:16:705 - Same here. I think the LN section should match the music more, right now I don't think it fits at all changed to 1/2 LNs
  5. 03:37:438 - 03:39:951 - I think 3-note chords would be good here i would rather keep the current structure as it is building up - the reason why it's not a handstream later is because well lol handstreams
  6. 04:06:024 - I'm not sure about this part. It sounds like 04:06:338 - should be heavier. Maybe make LN end earlier and have a big chord? And add more jack? I think it definitely fits, but not sure how to add it likely to be caused by the change, but i shortened the LN@3 to give way to a double, even triple chord
Good luck! Hope I was helpful!
ty mate
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqku68rxv4qlu ... D.osu?dl=0 it's easier to work with that to avoid conflicts so here's the diff with the parts where at least one thing changed
Monstrata
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It's about time this set got ranked.
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um why are there still replays and user rating from when it was loved
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Congratulations, neonat <3
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I thought about fixing mod and re do some patterns on my part ;q;
but congratulations btw, what a time to believe
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YOU DID IT
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Sinnoh wrote:

um why are there still replays and user rating from when it was loved
lol.

they will be wiped out anyways after rank
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You did it neonat!
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GOD BLESS
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oh wow you did it lol
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aye congrats on rank, good song good map
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Thanks for all the support, especially those that did so from the beginning!
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