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diraimur

Joined December 2013

i dont know how ctb scoring works, but if its something closer to std maybe decreasing difficulty values (cs, hp, od, ar) might solve the problem.

you can cut it into a few parts if that doesnt work, i think you should be fine with same mp3 but with seperate diffs. while there *is* a rule that states you have to map like at least 70% of map i think (correct me if im wrong) i think we can make exception for this set.

Scarlet Evans

345 posts

Joined August 2014

Scarlet Evans 8 years ago

So the osu!standard maps rankability strictly depend on how maps behave in the other game modes that they are not dedicated for?

Where can I find the precise rules about how maps dedicated to be played in osu!Std, by Std players and on Std rules, have to behave after gimmick auto-converting to other mods, so it can be ranked in Std?

- - - - -

Bonus question, not really suggesting anything: I know it's a little against the spirit, but if the map is dedicated for Std, not CTB, and the auto-converting causes the problems, can't the map be simply ranked for Std, Mania and Taiko, but not the CTB? Or ranked for all mods, then unranked for CTB?

7ambda

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7ambda 8 years ago

Scarlet Evans wrote:
Bonus question, not really suggesting anything: I know it's a little against the spirit, but if the map is dedicated for Std, not CTB, and the auto-converting causes the problems, can't the map be simply ranked for Std, Mania and Taiko, but not the CTB? Or ranked for all mods, then unranked for CTB?

That would honestly be a good idea.

Mismagius

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Mismagius 8 years ago

Scarlet Evans wrote:
So the osu!standard maps rankability strictly depend on how maps behave in the other game modes that they are not dedicated for?

yes because if someone FCs this map in ctb after it gets ranked, they will lose about 2 billion score from their total ranked score, not to mention the rankings would show their scores at the bottom of the ladder as they are negative (less than zero)

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

F1r3tar wrote:
Scarlet Evans wrote:
Bonus question, not really suggesting anything: I know it's a little against the spirit, but if the map is dedicated for Std, not CTB, and the auto-converting causes the problems, can't the map be simply ranked for Std, Mania and Taiko, but not the CTB? Or ranked for all mods, then unranked for CTB?
That would honestly be a good idea.

That's what I am glad to see (there should be an option for std-only maps, the same as other modes), since the map is designed only for std

Adiopulse

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Adiopulse 8 years ago

Unrankable

somewhere around here 37:25:229

http://imgur.com/a/lNxRM

hehe

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hehe 8 years ago

diraimur wrote:
i dont know how ctb scoring works, but if its something closer to std maybe decreasing difficulty values (cs, hp, od, ar) might solve the problem.

you can cut it into a few parts if that doesnt work, i think you should be fine with same mp3 but with seperate diffs. while there *is* a rule that states you have to map like at least 70% of map i think (correct me if im wrong) i think we can make exception for this set.

pretty sure that's out of the question, right now the difficulty multiplier is at 15.5 = 4x (the range is something like 10.7 ~ 18 for 4x, idk why it conflicts with the wiki). to drop the multiplier would be getting its cumulative settings for CS, OD, and HP to be below 10.7. unless you'd like a CS3, HP3 and OD4.6 marathon over a ranked map, I suggest waiting for a better solution.

Myxo

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Myxo 8 years ago

Taking it down for now. Probably there is indeed no other solution than waiting until the bug is fixed or cutting the map in half or so :<

Lavender

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Lavender 8 years ago

int -> unsigned int

Vovan

559 posts

Joined March 2014

Vovan 8 years ago

The map was qualified, I played it, after the play, I saw it unranked.

I will hate marathons ;w;

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

What a pity is it! But I believe there exists such kind of solution
1. Allowing beatmaps to be played on osu!std only, like taiko, ctb and mania specialties.
2. Unable scoreboard on ctb mode
3. Fix the bug by using signed or unsigned __int64. This require x2 space
4. Fix the bug by using unsigned 32bit int, since no score has overflowed to negative before so the signbit is 0 on all scores uploaded. This doesn't require additional space
5. Remove some notes so that the total score on ctb will be under 1<<31 (I'm working on this but it hurts)
~~dev plz~~

Kilabarus

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Kilabarus 8 years ago

omg lol
just have no other words in this situation

Doyak

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Doyak 8 years ago

3. Fix the bug by using signed or unsigned __int64. This require x2 space

-> literally 4 more bytes lol

Just the same solution how the view count of Gangnam Style on YT had been fixed.

sahuang

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sahuang 8 years ago

@peppy

Crystal

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Crystal 8 years ago

WASTED LUL

Mismagius

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Mismagius 8 years ago

I think the reason why peppy wouldn't make a change on unsigned int is that (I'm not sure how this works, please correct me if I'm wrong) there would need to be a recalculation in every single submitted score to convert to the new system, and scorev2 is somewhat close to release, so I believe he's not too interested in doing that

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

Blue Dragon wrote:
I think the reason why peppy wouldn't make a change on unsigned int is that (I'm not sure how this works, please correct me if I'm wrong) there would need to be a recalculation in every single submitted score to convert to the new system, and scorev2 is somewhat close to release, so I believe he's not too interested in doing that

Score recalculation may not be necessary as for integer 0..2147483647 the binary are the same in both unsigned or signed (but for 2147483648..4294967295, they have the same binary with -2147483648..-1 respectively). Correct me if things in osu database go another way.

But probably peppy is busy working on scorev2, so I'd rather see standard-only options in beatmap setup.

And on another side, I am trying to delete some notes, while still keeping the most crucial things including patterns I'd like players to enjoy, without hurting the essence of the map

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[Mahua]

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[Mahua] 8 years ago

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Curisu

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Curisu 8 years ago

[Mahua] wrote:
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Doyak

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Doyak 8 years ago

Recalculation is surely not needed. But he has to modify all the scores into the new data set. This wouldn't take too long though.

Shiguma

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Shiguma 8 years ago

384059043 wrote:
Blue Dragon wrote:
I think the reason why peppy wouldn't make a change on unsigned int is that (I'm not sure how this works, please correct me if I'm wrong) there would need to be a recalculation in every single submitted score to convert to the new system, and scorev2 is somewhat close to release, so I believe he's not too interested in doing that
Score recalculation may not be necessary as for integer 0..2147483647 the binary are the same in both unsigned or signed (but for 2147483648..4294967295, they have the same binary with -2147483648..-1 respectively). Correct me if things in osu database go another way.

But probably peppy is busy working on scorev2, so I'd rather see standard-only options in beatmap setup.

And on another side, I am trying to delete some notes, while still keeping the most crucial things including patterns I'd like players to enjoy, without hurting the essence of the map

I hope peppy fixes it so you don't have to delete things from your map

Misure

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Misure 8 years ago

[Mahua] wrote:
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Ellyu

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Ellyu 8 years ago

在解决bug前能先love吗

Nelly

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Nelly 8 years ago

Crystal wrote:

WASTED LUL

Rekt

Ankanogradiel

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Ankanogradiel 8 years ago

I always thought ctb's score raises much faster than any other mode and wondered why.. My guess was that it has been made like that so that they could use the same level algorhithm as osu uses. But it's trully a shame because the map itself is perfectly fine.

Crystal

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Crystal 8 years ago

Ankanogradiel wrote:
I always thought ctb's score raises much faster than any other mode and wondered why.. My guess was that it has been made like that so that they could use the same level algorhithm as osu uses. But it's trully a shame because the map itself is perfectly fine.

You only get 30 points (or something) when clicking on a slider or encountering reverse arrows but "combo-multiplied" score when finishing it. it means you get just a tiny bit more points than clicking on a circle
in ctb "slider-starts" or "reverse arrows" all count as "objects" that apply to "combo-multiplying" score calculation, which means you get at least twice more (if it has reverses then the amount can be bigger depending on the amount of reverses one slider has) than you can get in standard mode. this is why ctb scores are often a lot higher than that on the same map of standard mode

hope the problem can be solved soon ~~so that i can farm lol~~

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

Decider par soi meme, encore faut-il qu'on ose

The decision comes that:
1. delete the first track so that it is purely an album.
2. change the title.
3. the first track will be ranked one day separately. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/566773

LET'S ROLL AGAIN

Zero__wind

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Zero__wind 8 years ago

世界变化快

Exemmar

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Exemmar 8 years ago

384059043 wrote:
1. delete the first track so that it is purely an album.

What was the idea of putting that one extra song to the album? Why would anyone do that?

Also didn't you think about mapping the last missing Tinfoil song? It's pretty short and maybe you could fit it within the score limit.

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

Exemmar wrote:
384059043 wrote:
1. delete the first track so that it is purely an album.
What was the idea of putting that one extra song to the album? Why would anyone do that?

Also didn't you think about mapping the last missing Tinfoil song? It's pretty short and maybe you could fit it within the score limit.

I once would like to include altnc since recharged is a remix version of living things with only one additional track. That's why I put all non-remixed songs together in both album.

And though Tinfoil is a separated instrumental track, it is more like a prelude of powerless so I did once think that there was no need to include it. But now altnc is removed and the score won't overflow anymore, let me do that. Thank you for your suggestion!

EDIT: The score will overflow again with additional mods. So leave it as it is for now. orz

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riktoi

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riktoi 8 years ago

It still overflows with full mods in ctb but it should be fine with 3 mod or less. I hope that is disregardable as I don't think anyone will be playing this map with such mod combination.

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

riktoi wrote:
It still overflows with full mods in ctb but it should be fine with 3 mod or less. I hope that is disregardable as I don't think anyone will be playing this map with such mod combination.

hopefully 4 mod on ctb is totally impossible haha
btw, timing fixed due to mp3 cutting

Vovan

559 posts

Joined March 2014

Vovan 8 years ago

Hi, I have a small question : The issue with the CTB mode is happening because the players get too much score ?

And if that happens here, why don't it happens on "The Unforgiving" ? https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=156352&m=2 (52:57 min marathon) ?
This marathon (Marathon diff) have 8903 max combo
and The Unforgiving (Marathon diff too) have 9289 max combo

So we can get more score in the Unforgiving than in Living Things.

So why this issue don't happen on the unforgiving ?

o_O

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

Lexis wrote:
Hi, I have a small question : The issue with the CTB mode is happening because the players get too much score ?

And if that happens here, why don't it happens on "The Unforgiving" ? https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmap?b=156352&m=2 (52:57 min marathon) ?
This marathon (Marathon diff) have 8903 max combo
and The Unforgiving (Marathon diff too) have 9289 max combo

So we can get more score in the Unforgiving than in Living Things.

So why this issue don't happen on the unforgiving ?

o_O

This map is previously 10343 combos, causing an overflow. Now I have cut the first track so it is only 8903 combos and rankable now. Sorry for misunderstanding, and I think I should update the creator's words ;w;

RyoKazuka

Elite Mapper

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RyoKazuka 8 years ago

pretty much one of the very reasons why i avoid mapping long songs tho i do want to map an album

but this is the prob that scares me and it really prevents this from ranking
looking forward for the set to be ranked (and the score thing fixed)

riffy

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riffy 8 years ago

Can we get someone from QAT/staff comment on the situation, if it's okay now and it's just the first track that's been removed I'd have no issue with rebubbling it.

pw384

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pw384 8 years ago

Bakari wrote:
Can we get someone from QAT/staff comment on the situation, if it's okay now and it's just the first track that's been removed I'd have no issue with rebubbling it.

Sorry for not able to attend to this set, as things in real life is going terribly busy

... but I've pm'ed Desperate-kun to confirm the rankability just now and am waiting for his response.

Myxo

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Myxo 8 years ago

Confirmed with Kurokami that playing this perfectly with 4 mods on CtB is basically impossible, considering the difficulty and length, so it's fine to be moved forward. Rebubble #1

Scarlet Evans

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Scarlet Evans 8 years ago

Finally! <3
Good luck! I wish you didn't need to cut it though ;w;

sahuang

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sahuang 8 years ago

#2 cuz all good now.

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