Yes. I WILL CC THIS ALL MY LIFE.

There is no way he's bulletproof unless Zexion is fucking us up.

Unvote
There's some things i need to parse in my mind first, as of yesterday's lynch i had a TR on rEdo, and wasnt reading Hika as town, a town BP generally doesnt claim out of the gate when shot by scum unless they are about to be lynched, since scum doesnt know if they hit BP or Doctor a BP not claiming will force scum to keep PR hunting or worst case scenario shoot again.

But that day opening idk, abraker opening with "Scum shot BP?" with then rEdo claiming "i'm BP" and then abraker going "i wonder why scum didnt bother with claimed VT then".

All these things are bothering me, and will need further inquiry.
@B1rd: how experienced is abraker at mafia (the general game, not the alignment)?

Besides, I claimed myself D1 because people still wanted to push my wagon.

That's two scumreads for me.

Hika wrote:

Yes. I WILL CC THIS ALL MY LIFE.

There is no way he's bulletproof unless Zexion is fucking us up.

Ok so he's confscum unless he flips town, in which case you're confscum.
So i'll put that in the back burner for now and will try to figure out what's with abraker's posts at the start of the day and wont vote yet coz i dont want any more funny hammers from certain Jesses

Sakura you're my townread.
because you voted Jess.

I think this suspicion with abraker is valid because his graphs and stuff are very fluffy. He's going to generate attention to him, negative or positive, so abraker you should probably fix your game play

in an honest, hypothetical way.

Sakura, so far what are your estimations on who is town.
Because it can either be town-scum or town-town.

And I don't wanna vote redo now after reading first page a few times.

I'm sorry. I'm stupid. I'm still town :p

Hika wrote:

in an honest, hypothetical way.

Sakura, so far what are your estimations on who is town.
Because it can either be town-scum or town-town.

And I don't wanna vote redo now after reading first page a few times.

Currently im thinking the team might just be rEdo + abraker.
abraker's Day 1 was a lot of IIoA, and his entrance today felt coordinated with rEdo to say the least.
i had a townread on rEdo at the end of day 1, which makes me go more wtf with that claim.

I'm fairly certain on my townreads on bee and frosty, then i have a townread on B1rd.
I'm not in favor of not punishing what Jess did coz otherwise she wouldn't learn, but if the above is the team then why the hell waste more time.
Whether you're town or not depends a lot on what rEdo flips, but... do you think rEdo's motivations were something else (i.e fake claiming as Town) and abraker just happened to be on the wrong place at the wrong time with his words?

Oh I'm sorry, I meant in reference with M6 setup between redo and I.
I never looked this deep into the setup of M6 and currently am confused with it.

So there can only be one scum between me and him or can we both flip town together?

Also if the possibility is town-scum, me being town, then I think he used that excuse because they couldn't find a good NK at the time.
Second, if the possibility is town-town, if that's even possible (please fact check this statement), then abraker had to have been scum.

Either way, he just could be scum. See how he got into Dawn and now me?

Hika wrote:

Oh I'm sorry, I meant in reference with M6 setup between redo and I.
I never looked this deep into the setup of M6 and currently am confused with it.

So there can only be one scum between me and him or can we both flip town together?

Ok so i'll explain

The mod randomizes either 1,2,3,A,B,C.
Depending on the one selected that's the setup the game will have in terms of the 2 town PRs and 1 scum PR.

So for instance if setup is 3, the 2 Town PRs are "Town Tracker" "Town 1-shot Bulletproof" and the 1 scum PR is "Mafia Goon" (So scum doesnt get a PR in this setup).
If setup C was rolled then the 2 Town PRs are "Town Tracker" "Town 1-shot Buletproof" and again, the 1 scum PR is "Mafia Goon" so scum also doesnt luck out in this one.

With any of the columns OR rows the same thing applies, a setup CANNOT have one role from 2 of them if they dont intersect.
So Town Doctor/Cop/Bulletproof counterclaim Bulletproof for example.
Just like Town Tracker/Jailkeeper/Bulletproof/Cop counterclaim Cop.

If you're either Doctor OR bulletproof then the only way rEdo is town is if he's fakeclaiming AS town (and i dont really see the need for a BP to claim or a town to fakeclaim BP, because scum knows very well who they shot).

What makes sense however is a claim to draw out a CC to find the last PR.

Thanks for explaining. Sorry for not reading that clearly. I just remember my last M6 game on here, I was hospitalized therefore force replaced so I didn't get to play long enough to understand the setup.

I don't see the world where scum Hika CCs for the fun of it.

vote: rEdo

As long as there's no possibility of redo being town, then I am fine with today's lynch.

Sakura wrote:

@B1rd: how experienced is abraker at mafia (the general game, not the alignment)?

I needed to read your explanations to know what the possible scenarios are. I forgot about the doctor role entirely. Only remembered the BP townie as I was quickly checking the email notification of this thread when gathering my stuff to leave from work.

It's a pretty interesting setup, makes town and scum think more about what to claim / fakeclaim, and punishes people that blindly trust claims.

I've seen instances were Setup 1 is played (JK / VT / Goon) and scum fake claim BP making town think it's A ( JK / RB / BP) since scum already would know which of the 2 would be simply by the existance or lack of a roleblocker.

abraker wrote:

Sakura wrote:

@B1rd: how experienced is abraker at mafia (the general game, not the alignment)?

I needed to read your explanations to know what the possible scenarios are. I forgot about the doctor role entirely. Only remembered the BP townie as I was quickly checking the email notification of this thread when gathering my stuff to leave from work.

Hmm now i actually find this scenario possible too
I would've preferred B1rd to answer first, ah well his answer is still relevant.

Sakura wrote:

Also:

Only possible setups atm are 3 and C

[/quote]Wait given there is a vanilla townie and rEdo is lying, where would we be?

Oh I missed bee's post, damn you non existance of post review due to new posts thing

Take in mind that puts rEdo at L-2 and i would prefer he not go to L-1 coz he can self hammer to cut discussion short.

@abraker: Because Hika's not a VT silly.

Hika wrote:

I think this suspicion with abraker is valid because his graphs and stuff are very fluffy. He's going to generate attention to him, negative or positive, so abraker you should probably fix your game play

I can keep silent about my progress about analysis if that's fine

Sakura wrote:

@abraker: Because Hika's not a VT silly.

Hypothetically is that possible?

I mean for there to be a vanilla townie at all in this game with how things stand

hiding your progress is anti town. threatening us doesn't help your case.
if your town you wouldn't be saying that.

I mean if you're a PR and you want to direct scum attention away from you what do you claim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw that coming since like Page 20 when i mentioned the possibilities and Hika immediately said that it was impossible for rEdo to be BP.

abraker wrote:

I mean for there to be a vanilla townie at all in this game with how things stand

Oh all remaining players are VTs and a Goon.
Hika was fake claiming VT to protect her being PR, i realized this with her reaction to my post about the setup possibilities.

ok I have fake claim apparently

As i said earlier
If Hika's a BP or a Doc, then yeah her role cant coexist with rEdo's which makes rEdo's role a fake claim.

So i'm just gonna make this clear for everyone so there's no misunderstandings about the setup.

We're either on
C:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town Doctor
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon
or
3:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town 1-Shot Bulletproof
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon

We cant be in both simultaneously save some serious mod error which i doubt, with this in mind Hika, you're 100% sure rEdo's fake claiming correct?

If redo is fake claiming AND is mafia... only if, then this is how I interpret this

rEdo wrote:

I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.

Try to attack me. Create a common enemy

rEdo wrote:

I also start to question beeboy's alignment due to him getting too silent when the lynch occured. But hey, the same argument applies to me then xd

If beeboy is mafia: Weaken the bond between redo and beeboy.
If beeboy is not mafia: Attack someone else so it's not suspicious it's just me.
Play the "But I did same, so idk" card an attempt to look innocent

rEdo wrote:

Jess, why did you hammer Dawnsday. Just what the fuck, we weren't even done with discussion. If I had been on the forum the moment you said you're gonna hammer, or at least hours after that, I would unvote >_> Don't take it too personally, but why do you even bother signing up to these games if you're not even reading what we're doing here?

Agree with popular opinion; Townie thinking



Otherwise, take it with a grain of salt

Sakura wrote:

So i'm just gonna make this clear for everyone so there's no misunderstandings about the setup.

We're either on
C:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town Doctor
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon
or
3:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town 1-Shot Bulletproof
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon

We cant be in both simultaneously save some serious mod error which i doubt, with this in mind Hika, you're 100% sure rEdo's fake claiming correct?

I am 100% claiming I am VT.

Sakura wrote:

i had a townread on rEdo at the end of day 1, which makes me go more wtf with that claim.

I still dont know what you base your town reads on. Can you give an explanation on how you do town reads and why they are town reads?

On redo's defense, his last statement about Jess, that's kinda how we all feel though... whether you're town or not

I also can't figure much about frosty Sakura, how can you?

Frosty's key events

1) Frostings votes Hika
Frostings x→ Hika

1) Frostings votes Dawnsday
Frosting x→ Dawnsday

3) Frostings reads B1rd as townie
Frosting !→ Roles:Townie = B1rd

4) Frosting’s claims that Frosting’s vote on Dawnsday is reaction testing
Frostings !→ (Frosting x→ Dawnsday = (Dawnsday ?→ Players:any)))


What am I missing?

Looking over Frosting's posts and there is his stance about Hika

Frostings wrote:

Hika is suspicious if Dawnsday flips town, because I've seen her pull L-1 at the first opportunity multiple times as scum

So it was all a misunderstanding then. That's why i asked again.
Vote: Jess

I'm still confused as hell about rEdo's out of the gate claim tho.

Apparently i missed some questions.
Most of the way i read Frosty's due to a lot of experience with him.

actually frosty hates me :^)

Sakura, it has come to my attention that you currently hold much of the opinion sway at the current moment. You know how other players react while players like me need to go by raw data, putting most newer players at a disadvantage. A scary disadvantage in the worst case or a really good advantage in the best case scenario.

I have reason to believe your past mentioning of past experiences with players might be telling half truths. I expect you to defend your claims by explaining why I should believe someone who might be mafia.

beeboy123 wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Now I know why draw is scum

what do you mean by this Jess o3o

I want Jess to answer this.


unvote
Also rEdo is conf town then.

That disadvantage will always be a thing. although in MS newbie games actually have way more newer players than in the case here.

But meta works as a disadvantage to me as well since people do think i have a good pokerface so i wouldnt blame someone getting paranoid about me (I mean that is half the reason i made an MS alt to begin with).

I suppose it's hard for a mechanical player like you to understand, but the way i get reads mostly come from gut feels which i no doubt usually get asked about and that's when i have a hard time putting those into words or evidence.

B1rd you need to post more

B1rd wrote:

I'd rather lynch deadweight on policy before going after scumreads.

vote: Frosting

Justify your erratic behavior. First vote and then you voted Dawnsday the second everybody start bad mouthing him. Also your explanation are too simply to hold any water.

Frosting wrote:

I voted Dawnsday because his posts up to my vote on him were all commentary with little analysis and initiative to find scum
also he keep using the "new to the game" card but I don't believe him

What was this answer to (might have missed something, but)? Were you just throwing this out to look innocent?

Frosting wrote:

I like Sakura so far

While I won't let my guard down of Jesse, a Sakura and Frosting duo might be a possibility worth looking into

Who do you think is town Abraker?

From my experience scum doesn't play that simply
They don't have as much an incentive to quickly get rid of town than making themselves look innocent. Depends a bit on the scum players of course, but I will give the benefit of the doubt they are experienced
It's more likely wagons form with town players voting scummy players.

I think we have a hammer on the nail here. This guy just described EXACTLY what he was doing.

At the point in time writing this, he didn't know that my vote for Dawnsday was a null vote based on nothing. So him being second to vote was a safe vote. However my vote removed, he is the first actual vote. The wagon with town player followed. While he tries to make himself look innocent.

That comment answering idk what, and him being the first to jump on the bandwagon when everybody was starting to suspect Dawnsday. Is all of this coincidence?

Yes, Frostings, scum players ARE experienced, but it does help to keep operations a bit of a secret.
And you thought nobody will think of a scum player describing him self. I laugh.


boy will I dig myself into an early grave if I'm wrong

beeboy123 wrote:

Who do you think is town Abraker?

Either Hika or rEdo. 50/50. Waiting for rEdo's responce

Maybe i should do 2of4 again at some point.
People seem very confused by this setup ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jess isn't scum though. She just plays like that all the time @abraker

>All the time
I am well aware of that being Jess, but it's not like i can ignore it when she does scummy things like D1's QH.
Besides implying she does that all the time means she does it as either alignment, and that's what you're telling him.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You do realize that VT doesnt counterclaim a thing? or are you still insisting you're a VT coutnerclaiming rEdo

literally said I don't care

I'm VT
believe it or not, if you're surprised I'm sorry
wasting an investigative check on me is pointless, and to a doctor, it's pointless to protect me
I don't do anything but vote. If me not being VT doesn't help then sorry but I literally claimed my role D1, all before this soooo

If it CCs him. Okay. If it doesn't and it's irrelevant. Okay. I just wanted everyone to know my role.

Hika why are you so concerned about being investigated >.>

As a doctor not wanting to be framed for being tracked while blocking a kill is fine.
But as a VT it's just kinda weird.

In terms of using it for better things for town is what my intention is

Besides, didn't I just say that's what I claimed D1... it doesn't matter anymore

You know, the more you tell someone to do something, the more they have the urge to do it. I think telling not to bother investigating you will just make it more tempting.

*not to do something

me proof read pls

Sakura wrote:

I don't know if you want my MS Alt meta or what, but sure i can provide that, im just not sure if you're interested on meta diving that or not:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=26607

I tried to look into this, but it says I need to make an account. And when I tried to make an account, it says I have a 'malicious IP', probably because I have my VPN on, and that my account will need to be activated by an administrator. So do you mind giving a couple examples of you playing how you said you did? Not that I don't believe you would straight up lie, but it doesn't hurt to double check.

Sakura wrote:

@B1rd: how experienced is abraker at mafia (the general game, not the alignment)?

I'm pretty sure he played his first game on Tuuba with me, it was the first and only game I've lost thus far (I died early, abraker was scum) I've played 4 games and I'm pretty sure he's played less than me, unless he's rusing us all and lying about not knowing mafia terminology. But even if he hasn't played many games he's still someone to watch out for IMO. I definitely don't want to lose to him again.

abraker wrote:

B1rd you need to post more

B1rd wrote:

I'd rather lynch deadweight on policy before going after scumreads.

I need to sleep as well, it's been 5 hours hold your horses. I do think what I'm said is generally what I'm thinking at the moment, I like to vote bad/scummy/inactive players on policy, because they're pretty much always bad for town, a big liability at lylo, at there's always a chance they're scum. Whereas, with traditional scum is very indefinite and there's always chances that you will lynch completely innocent people.

So I'm thinking I will vote Jess, but I'll refrain for the time being because I'm still reading the chat and trying to figure out when rEdo would claim. I had a good townread on rEdo previously, for examples p/5813962 comes across as a strong town post (even if Dawnsday was actually town), however I don't understand why he would claim bulletproof if he was town. He also has been posting very infrequently recently, which isn't a good sign.

*while traditional scumhunting

abraker wrote:

You know, the more you tell someone to do something, the more they have the urge to do it. I think telling not to bother investigating you will just make it more tempting.

Ehehehe, that backfired on Dragon Age Mafia back on MS (A player wanted me to not cop scan him, so i cop scanned him, and i got redirected to scum, and... well the rest you can imagine)

B1rd wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I don't know if you want my MS Alt meta or what, but sure i can provide that, im just not sure if you're interested on meta diving that or not:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=26607

I tried to look into this, but it says I need to make an account. And when I tried to make an account, it says I have a 'malicious IP', probably because I have my VPN on, and that my account will need to be activated by an administrator. So do you mind giving a couple examples of you playing how you said you did? Not that I don't believe you would straight up lie, but it doesn't hurt to double check.

Ah probably because i linked directly to my user profile, ill give you some game examples in a bit, im busy watching a series that ends in 30 mins

Sakura wrote:

abraker wrote:

You know, the more you tell someone to do something, the more they have the urge to do it. I think telling not to bother investigating you will just make it more tempting.

Ehehehe, that backfired on Dragon Age Mafia back on MS (A player wanted me to not cop scan him, so i cop scanned him, and i got redirected to scum, and... well the rest you can imagine)

Well then waste your night abilities then :p
I personally would want them to use it on someone else that isn't me.

Actually does this link work for you: http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics or does it still ask for an account.

Also abraker I haven't forgotten about you, I'm too busy playing LoL with RB :p

@Sakura. No permissions.

I swear. I have been playing mafia for almost 7 years and this game is by far the most complicating in terms of everyone playing off meta.

Ok well first of all the alt name's "Luna Fox"

inb4 those links dont work either

Sakura wrote:

abraker wrote:

You know, the more you tell someone to do something, the more they have the urge to do it. I think telling not to bother investigating you will just make it more tempting.

Ehehehe, that backfired on Dragon Age Mafia back on MS (A player wanted me to not cop scan him, so i cop scanned him, and i got redirected to scum, and... well the rest you can imagine)

maybe you should stop claiming cop in PTs ^^;;

Wait, am I reading this right, and hika CC'd (counter claimed) rEdo's 1-shot bulletproof claim? Well, I guess the lynch is pretty much decided for today then. One thing I would like to point out though, that if rEdo exposed himself to draw out a CC, I'm pretty sure that he would be confident that his scum partner can't be traced back to him. Considering he actually threw some suspicion at abraker straight afterwards, it's some sort of WIFOM situation, but perhaps it is abraker who is his scum partner. Also, I'm pretty sure mafia wouldn't carry out this tactic unless they thought that their other member was in a pretty safe position right now.

No B1rd it was setup shenanigans that made Hika think that VT counter claimed 1-shot BP.
Despite how much i tried to explain to make 100% sure it was the case.

Sakura wrote:

Ok well first of all the alt name's "Luna Fox"

Games

These are the most relevant games i can remember:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=67451 (Replaced out somewhere due to mod making a derp mod error that made me realize who the last scum was)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67645
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071 (Replaced in midway through D2 iirc)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67535
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67413 (Ahahaha if you can read this one props to you, it's very long)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67479
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63354 (Replaced out at some point mid D1)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67747 (SK play)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63492 (Mafia play)

130 pages... sigh. I'll have a look.

One thing I'm liking about this mafiascum site though is you can choose your pronouns, lmao. I swear, If I ever go onto that site I'm gonna rp as a hardcore Tumblrite.

It also has convenient ISO buttons

Just doing that bc I don't want the lynch

Hika wrote:

Also abraker I haven't forgotten about you, I'm too busy playing LoL with RB :p

So long as I wake up to proof, you are in the clear

wow I go play osu! for a second and 2 pages appeared from nowhere

abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

Also abraker I haven't forgotten about you, I'm too busy playing LoL with RB :p

So long as I wake up to proof, you are in the clear

wow I go play osu! for a second and 2 pages appeared from nowhere

I can link you this one just so you can see a bit of my scum meta.
Although, I probably play the same no matter my alignment, I thought it was fair I show you a good example of my scumplay.

t/393585&start=0 <- Cracking Idea Mafia, I came in as replacement for pie immediately.

If I get time I'll read through some more games and pick some out for you.
Do you want examples of my scum games or the best games I've played on this site?

Hika wrote:

Do you want examples of my scum games or the best games I've played on this site?

Give examples you as scum that joined bandwagons

Sorry, I am usually town on this site. The old site I used to play on is shut down now too.

t/365901&start=0 < Lovers Mafia. Notice day one I hammered and didn't even notice. Could've ended badly. Feel free to skim my ISO.

Also I am going to bed now, 1:49 EST. I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow so ask me anything and I will try to respond immediately

I'm in the middle of catching up and, um...

Did Hika just seriously counter claim bulletproof?

Vote: Hika

I don't even care if I get lynched today, I just confirmed 1 scum. Nice.

Catching up even more, this is gonna be interesting.

Okay.

Unvote

My BP claim was pretty much done in a hurry and - to be honest - just a try to accelerate the game and generate discussion, because I hate it when almost nothing happens. And hell, it worked.

So it was all a misunderstanding coming from Hika. Okay, but still. Why nobody noticed that she tried to counter claim me as just a vanilla townie? Did everyone really miss the fact that four other people could do that CC?

We should start thinking who could want me dead. I believe that set of people on the scumteam is a subset of people that had a public townread on me.

Beeboy, explain why do you think I'm conftown. Tell me who's scum.

Frostings as well.

The claim was also a huge ass flaw in my logic: yesterday evening I thought that town should know there's no doctor role in the game since I got hit. But then I forgot scum could hit a person protected by a doctor... Then I could claim the moment I potentially got pinned for a lynch. Fuck me. >_>

rEdo wrote:

Beeboy, explain why do you think I'm conftown. Tell me who's scum.

Frostings as well.

I do not accept the "you claimed bulletproof" answer.

morning

wow rEdo mistakes were made. feel sorry if your town. I forgot about doctor role too

Sakura wrote:

No B1rd it was setup shenanigans that made Hika think that VT counter claimed 1-shot BP.
Despite how much i tried to explain to make 100% sure it was the case.

Alright... but I think I might have to go over this a bit more. Not sure exactly by what logic VT can counter-claim a PR. Also, your meta game seems consistent from what I checked.

Now as for rEdo claiming bulletproof: it was a stupid move for sure, but I don't actually think it makes him scum. Because of the fact that scum have no way of knowing whether there was no kill because of BP or doctor, I don't know why they would take such drastic measure and sacrifice a player to kill a PR when there is a 50% chance that it is a 1-shot bullet proof townie, who is now equivalent to a vanilla townie now that they've been hit once. That doesn't make sense to me so I'm gonna go on my previous assumption that rEdo is indeed town.

Also I'm not too sure why scum would specifically target people they've townread, maybe it's a meta that I'm unaware of. But I think I've pretty much fully explained the reasons I think rEdo is town.


On to scumreads/FoS:

Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.

The other person is Frosty, and I agree with abraker on his point. I also inquired about it on d1, but now that I look back at it, it still looks suspicous: frosty seemed intent on lynching Hika for no reason. And then he shifted his vote to the pseudo-Dawnsday bandwagon for no apparent reason either. He said that it was to 'highlight Dawn's behaviour', however in my opinion, Dawnsday was showing no signs of being scum at that point, he only seemed to crack later on when he was under a lot of artificial pressure. That's why I'm more suspicious of people who joined the wagon sooner rather than later.

So about this day 1 bandwagon analysis, it would seem typical if there was one scum on it, and one scum off of it, since IMO beeboy was a fence sitter for no good reason, and frosting inserted himself for no good reason, I think that the scum team is most likely beeboy + frostings. However...


Then there's the issue of jess. Hammering Dawnsday was obviously a stupid move, on top on that she hasn't been active. And from my previous game, it seems she's always like this, basically a village idiot. And I really can't read her at all (somewhat because she hardly ever posts) so for me that is grounds for a policy lynch. With everyone else, I can read to some degree. So, I'm not gonna lose that game because I took the chance and assumed she was town when I have no good way of knowing.

vote: -[Jess]-

And finally, my other reads:

Town:
Sakura, Seemingly typical town play, her meta checks out, all her posts pretty much give me the impression that she's town
rEdo, for reasons explained

Neutral:
abraker: his play so far doesn't seem atypical, though I am a bit suspicious that he didn't realise the possibility of a doctor when usually he seems to be very focused on facts
Hika: I don't know her meta, but basically going off gut feel she seems to be town and acting normal. And hasn't been particularly scummy up to this point, I would put her in townread but I'm still trying to get my head around this whole CC situation

suspicious:
beeboy, frosting, jess, for reasons already explained


Welp, that's a post and a half, lol.

VT doesn't CC his role if I'm just one of the fill up roles.
So that's what I said when I said "I honestly don't care", because at that point, it's only valid the way Sakura said it, so rEdo and I are both town.

So even if I did end up getting lynched, rEdo would still end up being town, even though I'LL flip town.

Also, yes, it was a mistake. I actually was very confused yesterday when being explained too so my apologies. I barely slept and reread everything last night.

B1rd wrote:

abraker: his play so far doesn't seem atypical, though I am a bit suspicious that he didn't realise the possibility of a doctor when usually he seems to be very focused on facts

Mind that I wasn't comprehending possible roles at that point until Sakura explained how the chart works. So I couldn't fact that

At that point I thought it was all roles on the chart with one mafia role removed and a townie role added so you can have the 2:7 setup. I wasnt even aware most townies were regular townies.

My reads thus far. Me and rEdo conf town.
Bird still looking townie to me.

Rest is null for now.

Yeah, I have to say I'm pretty conftown as well

don't get ahead of yourself Australian :p