You mean the video where the crowd is still arriving, and then at 0:46 it inexplicably cuts out, and suddenly it's the afternoon and everyone is leaving? Yes, tell me more about how I'm an idiot and how I'm being fooled by the media when you present an obviously edited video by the media.silmarilen wrote:
Hahahaha
It's so funny when people use an angle that makes it very hard to give perspective to somehow counter what a very clear angle shows. Basically what the media does all the time. Not say the wrong thing, just give the wrong perspective, as long as people will believe it (altho i guess in the USA it's more common to tell flat out lies as the media nowadays). It's like looking at a cilinder in 2d and saying that it's a rectangle when there is a picture right next to it showing it in 3d. Like holy shit dude, do you actually believe yourself or are you just trolling?
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Really interesting that alt-right people who claim to be unable to be misled by mainstream media will just believe the first thing any alternative source gives them, regardless of whether or not it makes sense. :thinking:
Obviously anything that disagrees with their narrative is lies
At least he accurately represents his audience
At least he accurately represents his audience
It was from CNN. But at least it was taken at the time President Trump was giving his speech. We have already argued over perspective, do you want to argue that the media wasn't trying to under-represent how many people were at the rally by taking photographs before it had starter, or cutting out certain times from their timelapse? Because the media is known for misrepresentive photography.
The two pictures were taken within roughly 15 minutes of each other on their respective days
Do you have a source on that?
More specifically, up to 26 minutes apart, actually! Still pretty close timing though, so it shouldn't mean a massive disparity in crowd size.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... bama-2009/
Note that Trump then tweeted about his crowd size being bigger than Obama's in 2012 at his second inauguration.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... bama-2009/
Note that Trump then tweeted about his crowd size being bigger than Obama's in 2012 at his second inauguration.
I stand corrected, then. Although, the crowd probably wasn't at its full size, you can still see people entering, and I heard there were delays due to problems at the checkpoints, protestors blocking the entryway, problem with security, reasons like that. I don't really blame Trump for exaggerating the crowd size, he's always been like that.
To add on to what B1rd said, there were a lot of reports (especially from CNN) on the previous day saying that the weather would be horrible. That might be another reason why people didn't show up. For all I know, the numbers were in fact fewer, but the mainstream media took it as an opportunity to slander Trump even further because... well, that's what the media does. They know Trump hate will get them more views.
How does it always come to this
I'm not known as the "argument initiator" for nothingAomi wrote:
How does it always come to this
Look at them making so many excuses
I won't say the weather and difficulty entering was the reason by the relatively small crowds; Trump is pretty divisive as it is, and Washington and the surrounding states are quite liberal. Obama was much more appealing to a wider crowd than Trump is. Although while he doesn't have the numbers, people who do supporter him are generally pretty enthusiastic. Trump has always been able to generate large crowds at his rallies in any state (and they were a lot larger than Hillary's, which were honestly pretty pathetic).
That's not exactly surprising. Bernie had more people showing up to his rallies than Clinton as well; there was a lot of mutual dislike coming from the left because she didn't appeal to the younger generation at all (except to the people who were dumb enough to think that someone's gender actually matters in a presidential campaign). After the DNC leaks (where they explicitly talk about jeopardizing Bernie's campaign and not only that, Donna Brazile leaking CNN debate questions to Clinton), a lot of left-wingers, especially Bernie supporters, felt disbelief and alienation towards the Democrats and thus switched to another candidate (or just Bernie).B1rd wrote:
Trump has always been able to generate large crowds at his rallies in any state (and they were a lot larger than Hillary's, which were honestly pretty pathetic).
So did the Dems shoot themselves in the foot? Yeah, no shit. They always talk about being on a higher level than the Republicans, but this whole mess just proved how deceitful they truly are, especially towards their own.
I mean, it's presumably for a few reasons. But yeah, Obama's first inauguration was more iconic, you could say- young people voted more than ever before iirc, and he represented something fresh and new. Trump was never gonna pull a crowd quite like that.
Also I'll agree that the media ran with the "haha nobody showed up" meme, mainly because people like reading about Trump/his supporters getting BTFO.
This election has definitely been the most divisive in a LONG time, although I'd argue that's for a very good reason considering what he's been doing since he got elected. Before the election I was pretty pissed off at all the liberals whining/threatening to flee the country etc etc, but I think the "resist Trump" thing has been quite good
Also I'll agree that the media ran with the "haha nobody showed up" meme, mainly because people like reading about Trump/his supporters getting BTFO.
This election has definitely been the most divisive in a LONG time, although I'd argue that's for a very good reason considering what he's been doing since he got elected. Before the election I was pretty pissed off at all the liberals whining/threatening to flee the country etc etc, but I think the "resist Trump" thing has been quite good
What exactly do you mean when you say the "resist Trump" thing was good? Trump has been doing a pretty good job since he got into office, he's been promptly getting on with fulfilling his campaign promises. Most of these people who continue to kick up a fuss about Trump are doing so for stupid reasons, not because of his policy or anything but just because they don't like him, and want to make it as difficult as possible for him to manage the country.
I really have no association my generation of millennials who seem to all by lefty socialists. They feel entitled entitled to everything, and think "the rich" should pay for it, because in their mind anyone who makes a lot of money is automatically an exploiter.
I really have no association my generation of millennials who seem to all by lefty socialists. They feel entitled entitled to everything, and think "the rich" should pay for it, because in their mind anyone who makes a lot of money is automatically an exploiter.
Fulfilling promises doesn't mean you're doing a good job if your promises were shit in the first place.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLB1rd wrote:
Most of these people who continue to kick up a fuss about Trump are doing so for stupid reasons, not because of his policy or anything
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What exactly do you mean when you say the "resist Trump" thing was good? Trump has been doing a pretty good job since he got into office, he's been promptly getting on with fulfilling his campaign promises. Most of these people who continue to kick up a fuss about Trump are doing so for stupid reasons, not because of his policy or anything but just because they don't like him, and want to make it as difficult as possible for him to manage the country.
I really have no association my generation of millennials who seem to all by lefty socialists. They feel entitled entitled to everything, and think "the rich" should pay for it, because in their mind anyone who makes a lot of money is automatically an exploiter.
I think a lot of his campaign promises were stupid as fuck, that'd be why. Can't fault him for actually following through with stuff like the Muslim ban, it's what the American people voted for when he said he wanted to do it in the first place. The "resist trump" thing is more of a welcome reminder that a lot of Americans don't believe in that stuff at all. Especially when it involves important people, not just protestors, i.e. the "so-called judge" that blocked the executive order for the ban.
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What campaign promises were stupid?DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
I think a lot of his campaign promises were stupid as fuck, that'd be why. Can't fault him for actually following through with stuff like the Muslim ban, it's what the American people voted for when he said he wanted to do it in the first place. The "resist trump" thing is more of a welcome reminder that a lot of Americans don't believe in that stuff at all. Especially when it involves important people, not just protestors, i.e. the "so-called judge" that blocked the executive order for the ban.
- -Temporarily banned immigration from the most dangerous Islamist countries, as identified by Obama, until vetting can be established. Check, seems logical. To be clear, it's not a "muslim ban", only a ban of countries that have been confirmed to be dangerous, hosts to ISIS or whatever
-Repeal Obamacare. Check, it was a horrible failure and vastly increased the price of healthcare.
-Reduce taxes and regulation for businesses. Check, that should encourage business in America and improve our economy
-Get out of the TPP. Double check, that is great for reasons I don't think I need to explain.
-Stop foreign lobbyists in America. Check, we don't need foreign agendas influencing out elections
-Remove criminal illegal immigrants and impose mandatory prison sentences for repeat offenses. Check, regardless of your stance on illegal immigrants from Mexico, you have to agree it's not OK that multiple-time felons can keep coming back into the country
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this happen with every president?
The ban on travel from those countries was nonsensical. Not only that, but the way they went about it was nonsensical also. Just throwing out an executive order with no warning completely fucked over a lot of people.B1rd wrote:
What campaign promises were stupid?Of course I don't agree with all of his promises, the wall being a big example, but I like most of them and Presidents are a package-deal. I don't mind protests, but I get sick of all the shit flinging, and people acting like they under Nazi occupation. Trump really isn't that far right-wing, and the resistance he's getting really isn't proportionate to anything he's done. This hardcore antagonism is going to do nothing but create even more instability, and create create similar reaction from right-wing supporters.
- -Temporarily banned immigration from the most dangerous Islamist countries, as identified by Obama, until vetting can be established. Check, seems logical. To be clear, it's not a "muslim ban", only a ban of countries that have been confirmed to be dangerous, hosts to ISIS or whatever
-Repeal Obamacare. Check, it was a horrible failure and vastly increased the price of healthcare.
-Reduce taxes and regulation for businesses. Check, that should encourage business in America and improve our economy
-Get out of the TPP. Double check, that is great for reasons I don't think I need to explain.
-Stop foreign lobbyists in America. Check, we don't need foreign agendas influencing out elections
-Remove criminal illegal immigrants and impose mandatory prison sentences for repeat offenses. Check, regardless of your stance on illegal immigrants from Mexico, you have to agree it's not OK that multiple-time felons can keep coming back into the country
Obamacare being repealed with no replacement planned was a very stupid idea.
I don't agree with reducing taxes and regulation on American businesses.
I don't actually know enough about the TPP to be able to tell if getting out of it is a good or bad thing, but it seems to be a good thing, sure.
Trump never stopped foreign lobbyists in America, has he?
I just want to say that his promise to "drain the swamp" was completely BS and it's probably the thing he's gone back on harder than anything else. The Trump administration has been filled with awful, awful people.
I feel like illegal immigrants probably aren't a big problem, but I don't know how America is with that stuff. Repeat felons not being allowed back into America sounds fine though I guess.
Also I think the wall is really stupid too.
I don't agree with the actions of left-wing extremists that just hurt their cause, I assume those are the kinds of people you're talking about with that last part. At the same time, they're probably not as big of a deal as the media that you read claims them to be (media on both sides can be pretty damn stupid with the feelsy stuff)
Probably the biggest thing that bothers me is how his fans STILL use "Drain the swamp!" as a slogan, despite picking many of his cabinet members straight out of Wall Street or a pool - or swamp 
- of people who've paid enough. They like to see things like Trump purging or silencing any public servants who disagree with him, while turning an eye to the incredibly transparent displays of corruption in his cabinet. They never cared about whether the swamp was drained, they just wanted anyone blue out of power. Fuck 'em all.
- of people who've paid enough. They like to see things like Trump purging or silencing any public servants who disagree with him, while turning an eye to the incredibly transparent displays of corruption in his cabinet. They never cared about whether the swamp was drained, they just wanted anyone blue out of power. Fuck 'em all.I'd just like to point out how an Aussie and a Brit are arguing about American politics.
I know how important this is but it's still pretty funny.
I know how important this is but it's still pretty funny.
Let them talk. This stuff doesn't just affect the United States.johnmedina999 wrote:
I'd just like to point out how an Aussie and a Brit are arguing about American politics.
I know how important this is but it's still pretty funny.
I know
EDIT: but I really see no point or result in arguing on a forum belonging to a game where people click circles to anime TV size intros.
EDIT: but I really see no point or result in arguing on a forum belonging to a game where people click circles to anime TV size intros.
I heard Trump had some bantz with our Prime Minister.
Forums are for discussion. As long as that is present, you have a healthy forum.johnmedina999 wrote:
I know
EDIT: but I really see no point or result in arguing on a forum belonging to a game where people click circles to anime TV size intros.
While most people came here to click circles, some of them want to talk about things while they're at it, too.
Sorry, I'm watching both threads closely, but don't have the intention of joining. Thanks for the invitation.B1rd wrote:
I heard Trump had some bantz with our Prime Minister.
Wait, why am I "narcissistic emperor" now.
It's what happens when people forget Aurani
Boy did he set the bar while he was it, too.
Boy did he set the bar while he was it, too.
Honestly it's pretty funny. At least here in Ireland most of our parties are extremely moderate, neither leaning left nor right, so there aren't radical differences in the parties like the states.johnmedina999 wrote:
I'd just like to point out how an Aussie and a Brit are arguing about American politics.
I know how important this is but it's still pretty funny.
We have things good if we have to find stuff to argue about
