Railey2 wrote:
And that's where you're wrong. The loved category is not a showcase of the most high quality unranked maps, it's a showcase of the most popular unranked maps.
it it was about quality, then yes: Expert opinions should weigh more because they are more informed. But as it is, the category is not about that.
To quote:
The majority decides. Claiming that your opinion should weigh more, is just elitist.CXu wrote:
Welp.
Objectively good/bad means nothing as long as the loved category is supposed to be what it is right now. If it did matter, we would just have a ranked category with more laxed rules, aka old approved.
Nobody argues that ignite is worse than miss you, but that's in no way relevant to this argument. i know that the majorities opinion doesn't necessarily reflect what the best map really is, but loved beatmaps aren't about quality. They are about how much love they get from the community, aka: popularity.
if your preference is ''not stupidly overdone'', then don't vote for these maps. That's what everyone else does too. Don't say that your preference constitutes a good enough reason for the team to change their entire selection of maps. Just be quiet and vote.
You're misinterpreting my point entirely. I'm not trying to claim that my vote should be worth more than anyone else's. I am simply annoyed that is basically diluted by the amount of newer players who will vote for a map that is hard. You don't see me complaining that the Knife Party marathon (a map I voted for) isn't getting votes because "MY VOTE MATTERS MORE AND I KNOW BETTER", I just accept it's not as popular. This issue is a bit different because I don't think Snownino's map belongs here right now. Please don't try to make this seem like I'm just mad the maps I want aren't being voted for. I am telling you that this one particular map does not belong from EITHER of our definitions.
Intersect Thunderbolt by my definition is not a very good map. It's overdone and not very high quality so I feel it doesn't belong. By your definition (being loved by the whole community and having lots of favorites) STILL doesn't make it fit into this category. The map only has 42 favorites. I can list 20 other maps more deserving of that spot than this Rabbit Jumping nonsense.
Maybe I misinterpreted the point of the category. I'll accept that it's not a showcase of higher quality unranked maps and rather maps that are extremely popular. The point about Ignite and Miss You was to show how majority vote isn't always the best option, but in this case it seems like that's exactly the point so it's invalid.
That said, the map I am pointing out does not fit into Loved no matter what definition you give the category as a whole. That was my entire point from the start. Everything else is just us arguing about what Loved is for and the effectiveness of the voting which Ephemeral stated he is removing anyways.
Besides, I thought the point of the forums was to express opinions and not to just "be quiet and vote". Open discussion is healthy and staying quiet if you feel like it could be run better is counter-intuitive. I did my part by not voting for that map. The other part is to explain why and maybe something will change.
In the end, you're right that the Loved category is not what I thought it was, but I will still tell you that Intersect doesn't belong.