osu chopped off most of the mod cus we kept talking afterward, but whatever
02:15 Nivrad00: ye
02:15 riunosk: somewhat more readable
02:15 riunosk: i see your point
02:15 riunosk: but
02:15 riunosk: well
02:15 riunosk: as said earlier
02:15 riunosk: it just doesnt feel right
02:15 Nivrad00: oh yeah of course
02:15 riunosk: :(
02:15 Nivrad00: i didn't know if it would feel right or not
02:15 Nivrad00: i just asked if you'd considered it
02:15 Nivrad00: now you've considered it
02:15 Nivrad00: lel
02:15 riunosk: yea xd
02:15 Nivrad00: i like your idea of pushing it back by 1/4
02:16 Nivrad00: maybe you should do that
02:16 riunosk: lemme do that agn
02:16 Nivrad00: waiT WAIT IWAT
02:16 Nivrad00: ok i just tried it out for the first time
02:16 Nivrad00: (my suggestions)
02:16 Nivrad00: and i agree with what you said about it feeling constant
02:16 Nivrad00: BUT NOW i have another suggestion
02:16 Nivrad00: to make it less constant
02:16 Nivrad00: whoo
02:17 riunosk: oo
02:17 riunosk: the opposition!
02:17 Nivrad00: during each break time
02:17 Nivrad00: (in my old suggestion)
02:17 Nivrad00: you have 1.0x and then another speed to balance it
02:17 Nivrad00: so what if you use .8x or .5x instead of 1.0x
02:17 riunosk: uh huh
02:17 Nivrad00: and then use a higher balancing speed
02:17 Nivrad00: so it's still consistent and not distorted, but not as constant
02:18 riunosk: not sure if i get u
02:18 Nivrad00: ok ok uh
02:18 riunosk: maybe timestamping the suggested 0.8/0.5x?
02:19 Nivrad00: sure but it would take a while
02:19 Nivrad00: i should just explain to you the concept
02:19 Nivrad00: it's not difficult, it's just confusing here because you also have it speeding up
02:19 Nivrad00: think of this SV you have right now as two different effects at once
02:19 Nivrad00: 1. acceleration
02:19 Nivrad00: 2. slowdowns
02:19 riunosk: mhm
02:19 Nivrad00: the acceleration is going 1.0 -> 1.1 -> 1.2 -> 1.3 -> 1.4
02:19 Nivrad00: while the slowdowns is putting 1.0 in all the break times
02:19 Nivrad00: now my suggestion was to use bumps instead of slowdowns
02:19 Nivrad00: that is, to put 1.0 AND a balancing speed in all the break times
02:20 Nivrad00: you follow me this far, right
02:20 riunosk: i followed you until the 1.0x break time part
02:20 Nivrad00: oh
02:20 riunosk: i didnt get balancing speed
02:20 Nivrad00: remember how i told you to put 1.4x in that one place
02:21 Nivrad00: ebcause the average of 1.0x and 1.4x is 1.2x
02:21 riunosk: yep
02:21 riunosk: oh
02:21 Nivrad00: 1.4x is the balancing speed
02:21 riunosk: thats the balancing speed
02:21 Nivrad00: ye
02:21 riunosk: so basically
02:21 riunosk: the
02:21 riunosk: "averager"
02:21 riunosk: something like that
02:21 Nivrad00: sure
02:21 riunosk: xd
02:21 Nivrad00: the combination of slowdown + averager is called a bump
02:21 Nivrad00: actually a reverse bump
02:21 Nivrad00: the terms aren't important though LOL
02:21 Nivrad00: no one uses these terms
02:22 riunosk: bump bump
02:22 Nivrad00: but you get the concept right
02:22 riunosk: i need time to digest that xD
02:22 Nivrad00: ok lol
02:22 riunosk: but u can go on
02:25 riunosk: i still dont get it
02:25 riunosk: dammit
02:25 Nivrad00: oh sorry i didn't see "but u can go on"
02:25 riunosk: aw
02:25 Nivrad00: why dont i just tell you which numbers go where and you can see for yourself
02:26 riunosk: yea
02:26 riunosk: thats what i meant by timestamping
02:26 riunosk: xD
02:26 Nivrad00: oh right ;n;
02:26 riunosk: xd
02:26 riunosk: i tink we do have some sort of miscommunication
02:26 riunosk: mixing up words and stuff
02:26 Nivrad00: well i undestood when you said timestamping
02:26 Nivrad00: i just thought it would be more valuable if i explained the concept
02:26 Nivrad00: so you could do it again in the future
02:27 riunosk: turns out
02:27 riunosk: im horrible at words
02:27 riunosk: better practical
02:27 Nivrad00: nah you're pretty well-spoken
02:27 Nivrad00: i'll use .6 as an example but that might be too strong or too weak idk
02:27 Nivrad00: 01:17:737 - 0.6x
02:27 riunosk: its rather simple english i guess
02:27 Nivrad00: 01:17:826 - 1.4x
02:27 Nivrad00: 01:17:914 - 1.1x
02:28 Nivrad00: 01:18:090 - 0.6x
02:28 Nivrad00: 01:18:179 - 1.6x
02:28 Nivrad00: 01:18:267 - 1.2x
02:28 Nivrad00: 01:18:443 -0.6x
02:28 Nivrad00: 01:18:532 - 1.8x
02:28 Nivrad00: 01:18:620 - 1.3x
02:28 riunosk: oh my
02:28 riunosk: dem stamps
02:28 Nivrad00: 01:18:796 - and you dont have to change anything from here on
02:29 Nivrad00: now i'm gonna apply that and see what it looks like lao
02:29 riunosk: i hope it doesnt look weird
02:30 riunosk: ok
02:30 riunosk: it looks horrible
02:30 riunosk: LOL
02:30 Nivrad00: :/ ok
02:30 riunosk: the gap is too big
02:30 riunosk: and the sv change is too large
02:30 riunosk: as wlel
02:30 riunosk: well
02:30 Nivrad00: not on my screen o-o
02:30 Nivrad00: did i give you the correct numbers
02:31 riunosk: idk
02:31 riunosk: i just
02:31 riunosk: put what i got
02:31 Nivrad00: yeah i used what i wrote to you
02:31 Nivrad00: and the gaps are the correct size on my screen
02:31 riunosk: thats weird
02:32 riunosk: cos
02:32 riunosk: it looked like
02:32 riunosk: i lagged inbetween
02:32 riunosk: and i retried lke
02:32 riunosk: 5 times
02:32 riunosk: to make sure i wasnt
02:32 Nivrad00: can you check your input?
02:32 riunosk: lemme try redoing them
02:32 Nivrad00: it does look like lagging
02:33 Nivrad00: that's kind of what the effect is supposed to be
02:33 Nivrad00: it slows down and then catches up
02:33 Nivrad00: which combines your slowing down effect with some additional movement
02:33 riunosk: i'll just call it lag sv from now
02:33 Nivrad00: this intensity of bumps is actually pretty common in mania i think, but maybe you don't like it as a personal preference
02:33 riunosk: bump sounds weird
02:33 Nivrad00: which is fine :P
02:33 Nivrad00: sure
02:33 riunosk: probably not
02:34 riunosk: yea
02:34 riunosk: i dont really like it
02:34 riunosk: it just
02:35 riunosk: asdaowidjlaksdjlawkdja
02:35 Nivrad00: okay :P
02:35 Nivrad00: no that's normal
02:35 riunosk: :(
02:35 Nivrad00: dont feel bad about it :/
02:35 Nivrad00: believe me
02:35 Nivrad00: i have really weird opinions too
02:35 riunosk: LOL
02:35 riunosk: ok
02:35 Nivrad00: some general values of the mania community really dont sit well with me
02:35 Nivrad00: so maybe the SVs that i'm showing you aren't your style
02:35 Nivrad00: dats alright
02:36 Nivrad00: well i'm out of suggestions anyway LOL
02:36 Nivrad00: other than just plain nerfing
02:36 riunosk: ell
02:36 riunosk: well
02:36 riunosk: u can go on for the nerfing part
02:36 Nivrad00: well ok
02:36 Nivrad00: instead of using 1.0x each time
02:36 Nivrad00: you could use a slowdown speed that's a bit closer to the reading speed
02:37 riunosk: maybe
02:37 riunosk: like
02:37 Nivrad00: you have 0.9 -> 1.1 -> 1.0 -> 1.2 -> 1.0 -> 1.3 right
02:37 Nivrad00: i'm just going on memory rn
02:37 riunosk: 0.9 > 1 > 1.1 > 1.2
02:37 Nivrad00: isn't that what you alrady have o-o
02:37 riunosk: -0.1 from the SV
02:37 Nivrad00: oh, i see
02:37 riunosk: yea
02:37 Nivrad00: i dont think you need to nerf the acceleration, just the slowdowns
02:37 riunosk: i have 1x on most
02:38 riunosk: lemme try doing -0.1x
02:38 Nivrad00: sure
02:38 riunosk: no difference
02:38 riunosk: >:(
02:38 riunosk: but i'll put it there
02:38 riunosk: for the sake of patterning
02:39 Nivrad00: welp
02:39 Nivrad00: i dont think it's possible to retain your original intent for this SV while still making it sightreadable
02:39 Nivrad00: just because the pattern is so fast and, like i said at the beginning of this conversation, the slowdown SV is really hard to implement
02:40 Nivrad00: or if there is a way to do it, i dont know how
02:40 *Nivrad00 shrug
02:40 riunosk: lets just keep the story short
02:40 riunosk: and let me say:
02:40 riunosk: "i wanna trip people"
02:40 riunosk: ez
02:40 Nivrad00: alright :P