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CLIFF EDGE - Endless Tears feat. Nakamura Maiko [OsuMania]

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Pew_old_1
Here is some metadata i've checked

It seems that it was originally a single according to Wikipedia although this is a sketchy source although the reference listed http://www.spaceshowertv.com/search/det ... 85135&ch=0 as some sort of single.

https://cliff-edge.com/discography/works The first appearance at a work (2011) is shown in their official site citing it as a compilation under:
Sweet Grande 2 mixed by DJ GEORGIA (can add to tags)

https://cliff-edge.com/discography/album It's also shown that it's under greatest hits (2013) under:
THE BEST ~You’re the only one~ (add to tags)

But also recently at the 8th album:
あなたの声が聞こえる (add it as well i suppose)

I'll check the actual diffs later
kaythen
will u be my valentine?

Easy:
01:44:010 (104010|4,104161|5) - Shift over 1 lane to the right (so lane 6 and 7). It makes it easier and less awkward for inexperienced players like me that have trouble transitioning from thumb to finger quickly when by itself, which I think is needed for an easy difficulty.
03:04:919 (184919|4) - Put it somewhere else on the right side (lane 6 to 9). Awkward for newbie players like myself to play notes close together like that after pressing the note in between so soon.

Medium:
00:04:313 (4313|5,4313|3) - Spread these out a bit (preferably to columns 3 and 7) or move it up higher (columns 6 and 8). Weird to have the notes close together by itself while being placed in the middle for a chord sounding like that in my opinion.

maybe after all this we can go to the zoo and see some chimpanzees
Topic Starter
hannanos

Melt3dCheeze wrote:

Hard
00:28:555 (28555|1) - change to LN, more impactful. Synth section that I was mapping prior to this chord has a short note here, so I feel that is better represented by a single short note

Medium
00:30:980 (30980|0,30980|5) - Only one note has clap hitsound, why not both? (queue memes). Just in general actually, why not both notes? Maybe someone would miss the hit sounded note and it'll be less impactful. This happens in both kiai times (first and second chorus). I have not checked for other diffs, but I assume you haven't changed because lazy :) shhhhhhhhh. Although I think I only put one note in general because I've only used one note to represent the bass/percussion, which is the layer represented by these hitsounds

01:18:101 - This void, you can put LN for the vamping of the viola in volume. Done, although on the white tick instead
01:27:792 - Same as the previous point, some void, can chuck in an LN for the viola. Done as above

Pew wrote:

Here is some metadata i've checked

It seems that it was originally a single according to Wikipedia although this is a sketchy source although the reference listed http://www.spaceshowertv.com/search/det ... 85135&ch=0 as some sort of single.

https://cliff-edge.com/discography/works The first appearance at a work (2011) is shown in their official site citing it as a compilation under:
Sweet Grande 2 mixed by DJ GEORGIA (can add to tags)

https://cliff-edge.com/discography/album It's also shown that it's under greatest hits (2013) under:
THE BEST ~You’re the only one~ (add to tags)

But also recently at the 8th album:
あなたの声が聞こえる (add it as well i suppose)
All added

I'll check the actual diffs later

kaythen wrote:

will u be my valentine? yes

Easy:
01:44:010 (104010|4,104161|5) - Shift over 1 lane to the right (so lane 6 and 7). It makes it easier and less awkward for inexperienced players like me that have trouble transitioning from thumb to finger quickly when by itself, which I think is needed for an easy difficulty. Done
03:04:919 (184919|4) - Put it somewhere else on the right side (lane 6 to 9). Awkward for newbie players like myself to play notes close together like that after pressing the note in between so soon. Put it in 6

Medium:
00:04:313 (4313|5,4313|3) - Spread these out a bit (preferably to columns 3 and 7) or move it up higher (columns 6 and 8). Weird to have the notes close together by itself while being placed in the middle for a chord sounding like that in my opinion. Reshuffled to 4 and 8 to maintain pitch for LH, also moved previous note

maybe after all this we can go to the zoo and see some chimpanzees i'll bring my pokeballs
Thank peoples
Wonki
Team Symphony Mania Modding Queue

hello O/

easy
01:18:858 - need LN here you use LN 01:23:707 (83707|3) -

01:28:555 - same

02:18:101 (138101|7) - move 02:17:949 - here 02:19:161 (139161|6,139464|4) - note like this

Medium
  1. you have to nerf this too many 2note it's not suitable 1.88☆
01:56:889 (116889|7,116964|6,117040|5) - so hard to 2star delete01:56:964 (116964|6) -

03:39:994 (219994|6) - same
Topic Starter
hannanos

Wonki wrote:

Team Symphony Mania Modding Queue

hello O/

easy
01:18:858 - need LN here you use LN 01:23:707 (83707|3) -

01:28:555 - same I decided not to add these two because I feel they are not 'impactful' enough. All of the notes I added in this section have a certain 'impact' that these two places are missing. (I know I have them on Medium but I'm doing it a little differently for easy, just a personal preference)

02:18:101 (138101|7) - move 02:17:949 - here 02:19:161 (139161|6,139464|4) - note like this Didn't move because the kick sound is actually on the blue line, not the red line

Medium
  1. you have to nerf this too many 2note it's not suitable 1.88☆ I see where you are coming from, but I believe it is suitable because of the low BPM and the fact that it is not the easiest difficulty in the set (star ratings tend to be particularly inaccurate for 9k)
01:56:889 (116889|7,116964|6,117040|5) - so hard to 2star delete01:56:964 (116964|6) - Done

03:39:994 (219994|6) - same Done
Thanks for the mod! Updated again
Fubukicat
hiho mod dadon[
ayyy 9K !

dadon
key=1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9
[Easy]
00:04:919 (4919|4) - add note to 5 for the transition (plus it's a piano sound)
00:09:919 (9919|5) - add note ? (up to you there)
00:38:252 (38252|6,38707|4,39161|2,39464|0) - move one collumn to the right ? (not really the same pitch as previous notes , + make some variety)
00:55:222 (55222|6,55222|3) - this secion is really cool to learn the keybind :D
01:44:010 (104010|5) - how about move this one to 9 ? reading it that way seems abit tricky (atleast to me)
03:27:040 (207040|6) - add a note to 7 ? or any collumn for the vocal , according to here : 03:22:191 (202191|3) - , 03:17:343 (197343|3) -
[Medium]
00:04:919 (4919|4) - same suggest as Easy , add note on 5 ?
01:20:373 (80373|0,80373|4) - I love the way you map that sound , it's just beautifull alekjmrlmkqjdf xD
02:27:798 (147798|3) - add note (if you are following vocals)
03:15:828 (195828|4) - you could make a 1/1 LN here for that sound ?
03:27:040 (207040|8) - same as Easy , should have a note here for vocals
[Hard]
00:53:101 (53101|8) - add one more note for the piano bass ?

Good Luck :3
Valentrixe
hi hannanos
quick mod here, i'm not used with 9K ;w;

[Hard]
  1. 00:04:464 (4464|0,4616|1) - these notes were following background piano, you didn't follow any of background piano before (like in 00:00:828 - and 00:01:434 - ) so i suggest to delete them, since the main piano start at 00:04:767 (4767|3)
  2. 00:09:161 - add note? it has the same sound like 00:07:949
  3. 00:10:222 ~ 00:27:343 - i don't know what're you trying to follow, lot of unaudible sound imo, (00:10:525 (10525|3,11283|4,11434|3) - , and more), i think it's better to stick with the main piano (or with vocal if you want) and ignore the rest
  4. 00:10:677 - add more note? it has the same sound like 00:10:373 (10373|1,10373|6) - and 00:10:980 (10980|7,10980|3)
  5. 00:11:889 - same as above, etc
  6. 00:32:343 - missing note, since you add note in 00:32:798 (32798|2)
  7. 00:41:283 - inconsistent with 00:34:010 - ?
  8. 00:52:192 - this should be double, not 00:52:040
  9. 00:53:101 - should be double too
  10. 01:32:798 (92798|7,92798|4,93101|6,93101|3,93404|2,93404|5,93707|4,93707|1) - what're you trying to follow? i think it should be 1/4 in 01:33:404
  11. 02:14:616 - should be double

i think i'm gonna stop here
i see a lot of inaudible pattern, and i can't understand your layering style, so sorry can't help much
good song btw
Topic Starter
hannanos

Eternalie wrote:

hiho mod dadon[
ayyy 9K !

dadon
key=1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9
[Easy]
00:04:919 (4919|4) - add note to 5 for the transition (plus it's a piano sound) Didn't add one here because I don't feel that note is part of the main melody
00:09:919 (9919|5) - add note ? (up to you there) Didn't do it here, simply a preference
00:38:252 (38252|6,38707|4,39161|2,39464|0) - move one collumn to the right ? (not really the same pitch as previous notes , + make some variety) I agree
00:55:222 (55222|6,55222|3) - this secion is really cool to learn the keybind :D c:
01:44:010 (104010|5) - how about move this one to 9 ? reading it that way seems abit tricky (atleast to me) I initially had this on the middle lane, but changed it because it was hardish to hit the note after using thumb. Only problem i have with it on 9 is that it might also be too hard to play, since it is 1/4. I'll think about this one
03:27:040 (207040|6) - add a note to 7 ? or any collumn for the vocal , according to here : 03:22:191 (202191|3) - , 03:17:343 (197343|3) - I don't think there is a vocal note there, so I left the gap (I know it doesn't look as pleasing but I think it is better that way)
[Medium]
00:04:919 (4919|4) - same suggest as Easy , add note on 5 ? Declined as in Easy
01:20:373 (80373|0,80373|4) - I love the way you map that sound , it's just beautifull alekjmrlmkqjdf xD Glad you like it c:
02:27:798 (147798|3) - add note (if you are following vocals) Didn't add because i'm following the synth layer
03:15:828 (195828|4) - you could make a 1/1 LN here for that sound ? I added an extra note instead for greater impact
03:27:040 (207040|8) - same as Easy , should have a note here for vocals Didn't do because there is no vocal lyric (as in Easy too)
[Hard]
00:53:101 (53101|8) - add one more note for the piano bass ? I think that there isn't an extra bass note there, the melody is just low

Good Luck :3

Valentrixe wrote:

hi hannanos
quick mod here, i'm not used with 9K ;w;

[Hard]
  1. 00:04:464 (4464|0,4616|1) - these notes were following background piano, you didn't follow any of background piano before (like in 00:00:828 - and 00:01:434 - ) so i suggest to delete them, since the main piano start at 00:04:767 (4767|3) I didn't originally have those notes there because I thought they were background too, but another modder suggested to me to add it and I feel it is nicer like that (whether it is foreground or background can be debated)
  2. 00:09:161 - add note? it has the same sound like 00:07:949 Added a LN on 9
  3. 00:10:222 ~ 00:27:343 - i don't know what're you trying to follow, lot of unaudible sound imo, (00:10:525 (10525|3,11283|4,11434|3) - , and more), i think it's better to stick with the main piano (or with vocal if you want) and ignore the rest Some of them are very soft, but Kivicat (I think) checked through them earlier as well and I'm fairly sure they are there. The main reason why I kept them is because it gives a great piano playing effect for the player
  4. 00:10:677 - add more note? it has the same sound like 00:10:373 (10373|1,10373|6) - and 00:10:980 (10980|7,10980|3) Decided not to (and for the suggestion below too) because I am keeping the piano/synth to 1 note and then putting doubles for emphasis on the beat
  5. 00:11:889 - same as above, etc
  6. 00:32:343 - missing note, since you add note in 00:32:798 (32798|2) The note you highlighted was for the clap sound (which I kept layering throughout the rest of the section)
  7. 00:41:283 - inconsistent with 00:34:010 - ? Made the second one a double
  8. 00:52:192 - this should be double, not 00:52:040 The reason I put a double there was because there was a bass note in the piano, and there isn'y one on 00:52:192
  9. 00:53:101 - should be double too I think this is a single piano note, even though it is lower in pitch (same thing was suggested in previous mod too so I might look at it again later)
  10. 01:32:798 (92798|7,92798|4,93101|6,93101|3,93404|2,93404|5,93707|4,93707|1) - what're you trying to follow? i think it should be 1/4 in 01:33:404 I am following the string (?) octave sounds, which I am emphasising with doubles just by themselves
  11. 02:14:616 - should be double Declined for same reason as I said before

i think i'm gonna stop here
i see a lot of inaudible pattern, and i can't understand your layering style, so sorry can't help much
good song btw
Thanks for the mods guys! Updated!
Nivrad00
BN check
General
I think the offset is late... I suggest moving all the timing points back -14 ms. Remember to resnap green lines and preview point

You should probably take the "~"s out of the tags and replace "You’re" with "You're". If anyone does search for this album, I doubt they're going to type in all the foreign punctuation :P
Diffs
Easy

Normal
00:43:707 (43707|3) - 00:44:919 (44919|3) - 01:46:737 (106737|3) - 01:47:949 (107949|3) - missing soft claps
01:23:707 - missing soft whistle?

Hard
00:47:495 - why's there a triple on this beat
01:50:525 - same
02:43:101 - I think this clap shouldn't be here
02:55:070 (175070|0) - seems like this LN should either end at 02:55:828 - or 02:56:434 -
03:12:949 - should this be a single?
03:20:676 - missing drum clap
03:58:252 - extra clap
03:58:403 - how come there's a big gap here

I must admit I'm still confused about the layering in sections of both Normal and Hard, but unless you're going to overhaul the map I won't worry about it too much ;n;
Awaiting your response :)
Topic Starter
hannanos

Nivrad00 wrote:

BN check
General
I think the offset is late... I suggest moving all the timing points back -14 ms. Remember to resnap green lines and preview point Done, I think resnapped everything too

You should probably take the "~"s out of the tags and replace "You’re" with "You're". If anyone does search for this album, I doubt they're going to type in all the foreign punctuation :P Done
Diffs
Easy

Normal
00:43:707 (43707|3) - 00:44:919 (44919|3) - 01:46:737 (106737|3) - 01:47:949 (107949|3) - missing soft claps All added
01:23:707 - missing soft whistle? Added

Hard
00:47:495 - why's there a triple on this beat Good point, changed it a little
01:50:525 - same Done
02:43:101 - I think this clap shouldn't be here I agree
02:55:070 (175070|0) - seems like this LN should either end at 02:55:828 - or 02:56:434 - Extended to the bar line
03:12:949 - should this be a single? Kept as a double because I think I mapped two for a synth chord or whatever that sound is (looking back on it, would there be consistency problems with the rest of the section? I'm not sure because I don't particularly remember what I did)
03:20:676 - missing drum clap Done
03:58:252 - extra clap Fixed
03:58:403 - how come there's a big gap here Added note at 03:58:555 -

I must admit I'm still confused about the layering in sections of both Normal and Hard, but unless you're going to overhaul the map I won't worry about it too much ;n; I think for Hard I was doing mostly synth/piano + drums/bass without directly mapping the vocals, but it ended up following part of the vocals anyway. For Medium I'm pretty sure it is just mostly voice + drums/bass and voice + rap although there may be sections that are different in some way
Awaiting your response :)
Thanks for checking! Updated :D
Nivrad00
Cool. Here we go!!
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Topic Starter
hannanos
Thank you niv <3
Kawawa
Hello! woo. Nice 9K chart!
[General]
※ Wrong Redline Timing
I feel weird this main section. 00:30:966 - 03:17:026 -
Because this http://puu.sh/sQ6BI/f22501a8b5.png

Change them as below.
00:30:966 - ▷ 00:28:541 -
03:17:026 - ▷ 03:14:601 -
It will be worked well than now. http://puu.sh/sQ6Hi/37741af2e7.jpg

[Easy]
I don't think that 1/4th "continuous anchor" on Easy difficulty.
I know that is same with 198 BPM 1/2th. but can't say that. (And your intention too)
The important thing is that used 99 as actual BPM.
so I really don't agree them. And sadly, recently dq issue is like that.

Here are the issues(I can't point it out all)
so They must be considered again.

00:07:481 (7481|3,7632|6) - Remove this 00:07:481 (7481|3) -

00:08:693 (8693|2,8844|5,8996|3) - Remove them 00:08:693 (8693|2,8996|3) -
After remove them, you can change the some place.

00:22:935 (22935|8,23087|3) - Remove this 00:22:935 (22935|8) -

00:40:966 (40966|2,41117|3) - Remove this 00:41:117 (41117|3) -
I know it's the vocal sample anchor. but I think It should be fixed as above reason.

01:43:996 (103996|5,104147|6) - Remove this 01:44:147 (104147|6) -
01:56:572 (116572|5) - Same reason with above.

02:18:087 (138087|7,138238|4) - Remove this 02:18:087 (138087|7) -

02:19:753 (139753|6,139905|3,140056|0) - Remove this 02:19:905 (139905|3) -

02:22:935 (142935|7,143087|4) - Remove this 02:22:935 (142935|7) -

02:24:602 (144602|3,144753|5,144905|8) - Remove this 02:24:753 (144753|5) -

Same with these things.. on 3 minute part.

Also especially, 03:16:572 - 03:21:419 - 03:26:268 -

Column 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9
[Medium]
00:18:693 (18693|4) - Move to 2, Move to 7
I don't recommend you to use space key. can be balanced.

00:54:602 (54602|2) - What do you thinka about? http://puu.sh/sQ6XT/68f10127b6.jpg
I think It's better than use LN.

This part too. 02:17:026 - Same with above. It needs to be considered again.

[Hard]
02:17:026 (137026|3,137178|4,137329|5) - If you keep them as trill, better to feel.
Actually there's no stream. http://puu.sh/sQ7jn/9de15f6bd7.jpg
Also you can compare with previous one. 00:54:602 -

02:55:056 (175056|0) - I can't feel this one longer. If I suppose to it as vocal, It should be shorter.
even If you expressed it as bundle with something, it really weird to me.
I recommend this http://puu.sh/sQ7z2/32f4013a39.jpg

If you don't want to change them(about beginner), I want to share opinion. :)
Topic Starter
hannanos

Kawawa wrote:

Hello! woo. Nice 9K chart!
[General]
※ Wrong Redline Timing
I feel weird this main section. 00:30:966 - 03:17:026 -
Because this http://puu.sh/sQ6BI/f22501a8b5.png

Change them as below.
00:30:966 - ▷ 00:28:541 -
03:17:026 - ▷ 03:14:601 -
It will be worked well than now. http://puu.sh/sQ6Hi/37741af2e7.jpg
Changed this to what you suggested. I didn't feel that was a problem, but I see what you mean with the LN crossing the bar line

[Easy]
I don't think that 1/4th "continuous anchor" on Easy difficulty.
I know that is same with 198 BPM 1/2th. but can't say that. (And your intention too)
The important thing is that used 99 as actual BPM.
so I really don't agree them. And sadly, recently dq issue is like that.

So I have looked through the diff again, and I personally feel that if I remove all the 1/4s, the chart loses a big amount of its character and interest. I know what you mean about the usage of 1/4, but I would rather the chart be a little bit harder than what the star rating suggests than it become boring and overly generic to play. For this reason, I have decided to keep most of them as they are.

However, I have made a few minor changes just to make them easier to play. I tried to make a few of the non-stair patterns (the ones past 3 min in the klai) spread out between two hands, which should make it easier to hit at least.
00:40:965 (40965|2,41116|3) - moved to 4 and 6
01:43:692 (103692|2,103995|5,104147|6) - moved to 5 3 7

As for the ones in the klai section you indicated at the bottom, the reason why I kept them as they are (even that is the hardest section of the chart) is simply because it fits the music well. Also, it is 1/4 but most of the patterns are stairs and/or flow across the hands nicely (think of scales on piano, since I am a pianist myself). Hopefully this doesn't cause too much trouble


Here are the issues(I can't point it out all)
so They must be considered again.

00:07:481 (7481|3,7632|6) - Remove this 00:07:481 (7481|3) -

00:08:693 (8693|2,8844|5,8996|3) - Remove them 00:08:693 (8693|2,8996|3) -
After remove them, you can change the some place.

00:22:935 (22935|8,23087|3) - Remove this 00:22:935 (22935|8) -

00:40:966 (40966|2,41117|3) - Remove this 00:41:117 (41117|3) -
I know it's the vocal sample anchor. but I think It should be fixed as above reason.

01:43:996 (103996|5,104147|6) - Remove this 01:44:147 (104147|6) -
01:56:572 (116572|5) - Same reason with above.

02:18:087 (138087|7,138238|4) - Remove this 02:18:087 (138087|7) -

02:19:753 (139753|6,139905|3,140056|0) - Remove this 02:19:905 (139905|3) -

02:22:935 (142935|7,143087|4) - Remove this 02:22:935 (142935|7) -

02:24:602 (144602|3,144753|5,144905|8) - Remove this 02:24:753 (144753|5) -

Same with these things.. on 3 minute part.

Also especially, 03:16:572 - 03:21:419 - 03:26:268 -

Column 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9
[Medium]
00:18:693 (18693|4) - Move to 2, Move to 7
I don't recommend you to use space key. can be balanced. Moved to 2 and moved next note to 5 to rebalance

00:54:602 (54602|2) - What do you thinka about? http://puu.sh/sQ6XT/68f10127b6.jpg
I think It's better than use LN. Done

This part too. 02:17:026 - Same with above. It needs to be considered again. Changed to two notes on 1, with the low bpm, I don't think that would be overly difficult given that it is on pinkie

[Hard]
02:17:026 (137026|3,137178|4,137329|5) - If you keep them as trill, better to feel.
Actually there's no stream. http://puu.sh/sQ7jn/9de15f6bd7.jpg
Also you can compare with previous one. 00:54:602 - Done

02:55:056 (175056|0) - I can't feel this one longer. If I suppose to it as vocal, It should be shorter.
even If you expressed it as bundle with something, it really weird to me. The long note is supposed to represent the note in the bass, but also create an effect with the increasing volume of the strings and reverse cymbal
I recommend this http://puu.sh/sQ7z2/32f4013a39.jpg

If you don't want to change them(about beginner), I want to share opinion. :)
Thanks for taking your time to check this! Updated and awaiting your response :)
Kawawa
If you think so, I got it. :)
Congratz, Qualified!
Kyouren
Gratzz! :3
Topic Starter
hannanos
Thanks Kawawa <3
Frim4503
this is good
you rank two 9k map
congrats
Topic Starter
hannanos
Thanks Frim!

Gotta get more antimeta maps ranked
Maxus
I'm really glad this got qualif :3
really hope to see more of your anti-meta project in the future :D.
Topic Starter
hannanos
More antimeta soonTM
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