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Railey2
as i said, balance is key. The left is definitely in favour of more governmental control, but nobody wants a dystopian future where everything is censored and controlled.

And no, my views on creationism and climate change denial aren't opinions. It's a fact that climate change is real and that the world is older than 6k years. Those are facts. It's important to get this distinction right. Teachers that teach their students wrong things about the world shouldn't be teachers. News anchors that blatantly lie shouldn't report on the news.
Endaris

B1rd wrote:

Funny how before you were talking about how the left doesn't want the government controlling things, and now you're already talking about censoring the media. And also claiming that your opinions on climate change and creationism/evolution are facts so opposing viewpoints should be censored.
There are differences in journalism.
You can publish so called "comments" which are clearly marked as the opinion of one person.
Then you can publish a "report" which would strictly stick to information and potentially include some discussion of personal opinions which is clearly transmitted as such.
Calling a comment a report is bad journalism and should be avoided by any means. Many parts of media don't tell you anymore what kind of article you're reading so you might very well get only opinions from one side of the spectrum and no informational articles at all.
B1rd

Railey2 wrote:

as i said, balance is key. The left is definitely in favour of more governmental control, but nobody wants a dystopian future where everything is censored and controlled.

And no, my views on creationism and climate change denial aren't opinions. It's a fact that climate change is real and that the world is older than 6k years. Those are facts. It's important to get this distinction right. Teachers that teach their students wrong things about the world shouldn't be teachers. News anchors that blatantly lie shouldn't report on the news.
Just because you think someone is true doesn't make it a fact. And just because a bunch of scientists think something is true doesn't make it true either. They have been wrong before and will be wrong again. There is no 'balance' on this issue. You have free speech or you don't. You dictate what other people are allowed to say or teach, or you don't.
Yuudachi-kun
Raspberry send me your results from playing this by itself:

silmarilen
Luckily the world isn't so black and white as you make it out to be b1rd.
Jellyblob
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Mahogany

silmarilen wrote:

Luckily the world isn't so black and white as you make it out to be b1rd.
b1rd needs to justify his hate speech somehow
Razzy

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Raspberry send me your results from playing this by itself:

869k, 96.47%

yet I have 911k on Sayonara Planet Wars >_>
Yuudachi-kun

Raspberriel wrote:

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Raspberry send me your results from playing this by itself:

869k, 96.47%

yet I have 911k on Sayonara Planet Wars >_>
My best on that is 95.8 and I got 94.8 today. Still suck ass at eyes off of you so no 9th dan for me.
Railey2

Jellyblob56 wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

Luckily the world isn't so black and white as you make it out to be b1rd.
But it is one of right or wrong. Do or don't. True and false.
Then there are theories
well d'uh free speech is already restricted in many places and nobody would even think of suggesting something else. He's acting as if only the liberal party has an interest in respecting free speech, but actually.. every single party known to me does.

If you have cancer and you go to the hospital, the leading surgeon can't just go: "Hey man guess what you don't have cancer after all now go home to your kids and don't worry about it anymore!"
That's illegal. He is not allowed to lie to you because that would have horrible consequences. It's a restriction of free speech.


Freedom of speech isn't always something positive, but people get indoctrinated to a point where they just go against everyone who claims otherwise, without second thought. I bet B1rd internalized the equation freedom = good so much, he will just discard my comment without reading it a second time.

(on a side note, a "theory" is often an immensely well supported fact, in scientific lingo. Like the theory of gravity, or the theory of evolution)

B1rd wrote:

Just because you think someone is true doesn't make it a fact. And just because a bunch of scientists think something is true doesn't make it true either. They have been wrong before and will be wrong again. There is no 'balance' on this issue. You have free speech or you don't. You dictate what other people are allowed to say or teach, or you don't.
You don't have a 100% guarantee for anything in life. If your standards for what constitutes a fact are so high that you think it is valid to ignore decades of well-founded research, then facts might as well not exist in your world.

That's what people mean by "post-fact-era". When you say "hey, only because scientists talk about it doesn't mean it's true", as if that's a valid excuse for believing something that is completely unsupported instead of acting as if the vastly more likely option is true, then every rational discussion becomes completely useless.

News anchors have an obligation to the public, just like doctors or teachers do. It is their duty to inform the public. News HAVE to be factual, otherwise they aren't news.

If someone is casting a talkshow, that's a different issue, but news channels? Just look at fox news, or even CNN recently. The public forgot what makes facts facts, and more importantly, they forgot to care about facts. I accredit this partially to the criminal neglect of the media outlets. This is what we get when we don't have an authority putting its foot down to hold people to a set standard. You'll get a country with lots of dishonest, biased and simply stupid people. I can't stress this enough: Holding the media to a standard is immensely important. Restricting free speech is important.
Jellyblob
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EneT
Much like sentient, theory is one of those words that are commonly used in the wrong way. You're getting the meaning of theory mixed up with hypothesis jellybean; all theories have experimental results to back them up. Conspiracy theories aren't theories, they're hypotheses that people think up out of their ass.
Jellyblob
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B1rd
Lots of conspiracy theories have more truth to them than you'd like to believe.
DeletedUser_6709840

B1rd wrote:

Lots of conspiracy theories have more truth to them than you'd like to believe.
That doesn't mean anything unless you have cold, hard evidence for the claims. That's why conspiracy theories often stay are just that, a theory. It may be possible and may some convincing arguments but that doesn't make it fact.
Jellyblob
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Railey2

RoseusJaeger wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Lots of conspiracy theories have more truth to them than you'd like to believe.
That doesn't mean anything unless you have cold, hard evidence for the claims. That's why conspiracy theories often stay are just that, a theory. It may be possible and may some convincing arguments but that doesn't make it fact.
http://oregonstate.edu/instruction/bb31 ... ories.html

What "theory" means in ordinary speech:
The term "theory" means a very different thing when used in everyday conversation and in science. In our day to day speech, we often use "theory" to mean a guess or unsubstantiated idea about how something works (as in "I have a theory that gremlins are hiding my car keys").

In science, we would call such a guess a hypothesis, not a theory. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for an observation. In this case, I am proposing that the explanation for why I can't find my car keys is that gremlins are hiding them.*

The distinction between the words "Theory" and "Hypothesis" is very important because in science "Theory" does not mean "guess". I repeat, "Theory" does not mean "guess".

So, what does the word "theory" mean in science?
According to the National Academies of Sciences, "some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena".



Jellyblob56 wrote:

Of course but I think what he's trying to say is that conspiracy theories aren't just pulled out of someone ass. They stem from something.
I think its very often the case that someone indeed just pulled a conspiracy theory out of his ass.
Faust
nyeh
Jellyblob
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Faust
Railey2
black pigeon is so sexually repressed lol
Rurree
porn is bad if you watch it everyday
Tornado
Dude,your new name doesnt look good ;(
Railey2

Madvillain wrote:

porn is bad if you watch it every day
i bet you only have sex in the missionary position : D

don't forget to wear your sinner-robe or else god won't know that you repent for your lewd actions.
Rurree
too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
Faust
Madvillain laying down the obvious. Moderation is key.

Also Malena Morgan is pretty hot. C:
Rilene
what if there is porn deprivation?
winber1
my prostate will explode
Railey2

Madvillain wrote:

too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
too much osu turns you into a degenerate too, but playing once a day for half an hour isn't exactly a level of addiction that prevents you from making meaningful contributions to society and having a generally productive life
lol

Railey2 wrote:

i play osu for 30mins perday and i am big rank and i am not degenerate do what i do or u are degenerate
Faust


Good: Size is just right to fit into the last remaining spaces my cupboard

Bad: I must stop buying figurines

FUCK.
Rurree
well, obviously osu isn't comparable to porn.

i don't play much osu anyway so i can't really relate.
Railey2

Madvillain wrote:

well, obviously osu isn't comparable to porn.

i don't play much osu anyway so i can't really relate.
doing something for half an hour every day that has no effect on your productivity in any other area does not make you a degenerate, that's the point I was making.
Foxtrot

Faust wrote:



Good: Size is just right to fit into the last remaining spaces my cupboard

Bad: I must stop buying figurines

FUCK.
I really, really want that now
Rurree
Too much porn can make you beta as fuck and contributes greatly to social and psychological problems, that's the point I was trying to make. I doubt the time span per day matters, and that osu can have the same effects.
Foxtrot

Madvillain wrote:

Too much porn can make you beta as fuck and contributes greatly to social and psychological problems, that's the point I was trying to make. I doubt the time span per day matters, and that osu can have the same effects.
hey rurree was better!!111 xddD
Railey2

Madvillain wrote:

Too much porn can make you beta as fuck, that's the point I was trying to make. I doubt the time span per day matters.
I think you're delusional and hold a view that is completely unsupported by anything science and social studies brought forward, but to each his own. It's also a harmful view because it perpetuates a social stigma that makes people feel guilty for no reason.

Addiction is a different matter and there definitely are lots of negative effects to addictions, but as long as there is no interference with important stuff or crippling compulsion, watching porn is simply a matter of how people want to spend their leisure time. You're making it seem worse than it is.
Faust
Why does Rreee keep making obvious as fuck / dumb points.

?????
Foxtrot

Faust wrote:

Why does Rreee keep making obvious as fuck / dumb points.

?????
Because apparently they're not obvious enough around here lol
Faust
Half the regulars here just want to shove the other with semantics it's weird no one gets tired.

In other news: My salary in $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

EDIT: Good Smile is releasing Pop Team Epic nendos, go and see !!
Rurree
I'm not delusional because it happens in real life. Try reading Terry Crews' Manhood: How to Be a Better Man or Just Live with One (where he talked about pornographic addiction, stating that it had a negative impact on his marriage and personal life) I also don't think there are any studies that disprove this fact at all?

Besides, I'm not talking about casual watching, because obviously there's no problem with that. I don't think I'm making it seem worse than it is because it is that bad. How is pornographic addiction a good thing? It rewires a person's brain negatively and separates the addict from reality. It can interfere with important stuff if you're ADDICTED to the point of no return. Since when did I say that porn as a whole is bad anyway when I watch it myself?

@Faust - Probably because I was being half-assed when saying it, of course it's obvious.
_handholding

Faust wrote:

Why does Rreee keep making obvious as fuck / dumb points.

?????
Railey2
addiction is bad, nobody is disputing that

but watching once a day doesn't make you an addict. Addiction in medical pathology means that you're going after it even though it's clearly to your own detriment, there needs to be some sort of impairment. It's dysfunctional behavior.
If you are simply doing something regularly, that doesn't mean that you're addicted. If you watch porn daily, that doesn't mean you're addicted to watching porn. Far from it.
Faust
That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Read What I Have Written

vs.

Haha No That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Reflect On What I Have To Write
Rurree
but since when did i talk about watching it once a day. i said everyday, but not once a day?

railey, seriously, wtf.
_handholding

Faust wrote:

That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Read What I Have Written

vs.

Haha No That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Reflect On What I Have To Write
Faust marry me
Faust
He's not even saying you did ?

Dude you're letting the entire thing go over your head.

@Kisses: Maybe.
Rurree
He's giving "arguments" (idk what term to use) that had no correlation with what I was talking about. How'd that make sense? I know his point, but I'm really confused as to why he's talking about it.

I've said it over and over that watching porn during leisure time is most definitely ok. It's just that if you watch it too much and let it control your mind, you'll end up being a degenerate. Nothing delusional about that.
_handholding
Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
Rurree
Is it because you're a degenerate yourself or..
Faust
I hear taking things too seriously causes problems too.

But we're not into that right ?
Also Railey just loves to carpet-bomb words because he's smart and can English his way through.
Rurree
I'm not the kind of person to have misunderstandings remain as misunderstandings. Whether I take it seriously or not doesn't even matter.
Foxtrot

Kisses wrote:

Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
It's weird hearing about yourself isn't it, Kisses
Faust
See that's why Railey and you keep playing this silly ping pong.

Also why'd you change your username ?
Razzy

Foxtrot wrote:

Kisses wrote:

Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
It's weird hearing about yourself isn't it, Kisses
o shit

also, I love how right now, every time I step away from the forums to do something, there's at least one new post in this thread
lol
most arguements get turned into a dick measuring contests on this thread its rely nice
Rurree
Sick of people pm'ing me and thinking I'm a girl. Most weeb Filipinos in the channel think this game is a dating site.
lol
it is
Zain Sugieres
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Rurree
A dating site that they think they have a chance of picking up girls from.
Faust
Clearly no one in their lives has told them to fuck off yet, it's up to you dude.
_handholding

Foxtrot wrote:

Kisses wrote:

Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
It's weird hearing about yourself isn't it, Kisses
Not trying to come across as salty or w/e but why is it you always get involved in other people's exchanges? This is like the 50th time now
Foxtrot
Look who's talking. Besides, I can post whenever I want; this is a public forum for a reason, after all. And yeah, you're coming off as really salty so I can't help but laugh at you for it
Railey2

Madvillain wrote:

but since when did i talk about watching it once a day. i said everyday, but not once a day?

railey, seriously, wtf.
every day includes people who do it once a day though. I agree that if the time exceeds an hour per day, you're stepping into dangerous territory, but most people don't really go there


anyway misunderstandings suck, addictions suck too, I think we're on the same page in this anyway. I just don't like people using the word "degenerate" prematurely.
EneT

Madvillain wrote:

too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
Wrong.
Too much porn doesn't make you a degenerate. Being a degenerate makes you watch too much porn. There is a difference.
Rurree
In my opinion, both are true.
Faust


Too good.
Railey2

EneT wrote:

Madvillain wrote:

too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
Wrong.
Too much porn doesn't make you a degenerate. Being a degenerate makes you watch too much porn. There is a difference.
T-That's another curious claim
EneT
Can't be. Watching too much porn suggests there was already something wrong in your life in the first place. Maybe you ain't gettin' any good pussy, you're ugly, un-social asf or w/e. No one with a decently functioning life would watch porn and become addicted to it when the real thing is so much better and easy to attain.
Zain Sugieres
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Rurree
But it happened to Terry Crews who was already a successful actor and footballer. It happens. Just not that often though compared to the point you made.
EneT
There was already something wrong with him to begin with, just because he's successful doesn't mean there can't be something wrong in his head. Unlike drugs or alcohol, Porn isn't the kind of thing you watch then suddenly become addicted to but much like drugs and alcohol it's a form of escape. There is a reason why you're watching Porn, there always is.

You shouldn't be questioning the act of doing things, rather, questioning the reasoning behind those actions.
Rurree
Fair point.
EneT
It's basic understanding of human psychology. Railey was saying earlier that too much Osu makes you a degenerate too when that's wrong. Playing too much Osu means you're already a 'degenerate' in the first place as those people clearly have no better substitute than playing this game for countless hours.
Railey2
It's wrong to say that having a lot of money makes you rich. If you have a lot of money, you're already rich in the first place!

the distinction you're making here is completely nonsensical, EneT.


Plus, addiction doesn't always happen for rational or predictable reasons. It can just happen without anything pointing towards it. Maybe people had a rich life before they started playing osu, but then just dropped their other activities one after another while increasing their playtime until it turned into something bad and compulsive.
EneT
Now you're the one being nonsensical. The example you give has nothing to do with psychology. There is a root to all addictions and it can stem from something as simple as having an addictive personality, which is a problem in of itself. If you're going as far enough to drop other activities to the point it becomes bad and compulsive, there's something wrong going on inside your head, be it consciously or subconsciously.
Railey2
so having an addictive personality makes you a degenerate cause there's something wrong with your head?

You do realize that many people with addictive personalities live completely functional lives? it just means that they have a greater potential to become addicted. Sure, addictions have roots, but these roots themselves can hardly be enough to call someone a degenerate. Many people who have them end up living perfectly normal lives.

What you do is akin to calling someone with a great business sense rich before he actually earned something, because after all that may the condition that allows him to make a lot of money later on...


You're a degenerate if you exhibit degenerate behavior. The definition of degenerate (in a social sense, which is how rurree used the word) is tied to how people perform as a part of society, nothing else. it also has nothing to do with psychology.
EneT
I also don't like how degenerate was used in this conversation; this is why I referred to it as 'degenerate' in this post.

EneT wrote:

It's basic understanding of human psychology. Railey was saying earlier that too much Osu makes you a degenerate too when that's wrong. Playing too much Osu means you're already a 'degenerate' in the first place as those people clearly have no better substitute than playing this game for countless hours.
The way degenerate was used here, for me points to the psychological effects prior to and during addiction, so he didn't fully imply it in the social sense. It has everything to do with psychology. He may be using it in the wrong way but the word degenerate itself fully implies the decline of your psyche.

Madvillain wrote:

It's just that if you watch it too much and let it control your mind, you'll end up being a degenerate. Nothing delusional about that.
Railey2
if you let it control your mind, aka if you give into it any addictive potential you might have and start exhibiting degenerate behaviour, which means prioritising porn over more important things.

note that the point here is, that you are only degenerate when you actually let it take control, not when you are in a group where the risk of it taking control is increased. You turn degenerate once you start being addicted, just like you turn rich once you make all the money. You aren't degenerate just because you have an addictive personality, and you aren't rich because just because you have a good business sense.
EneT
Your 'being rich' analogy is completely different; you're looking at a completely different perspective to what I'm saying.
When it comes to getting addicted to things non-drug related, there has to be a certain level of decline in your head. That doesn't necessarily mean there's something wrong with you, but it can. Maybe you're experiencing a stressful situation or just not thinking right. In the case of this conversation, you need to already have a certain level of degeneracy (mental decline) to become addicted to something. People don't just become addicted to something out of the blue like that. Addiction doesn't cause degeneracy, it just increases it. You don't have to exhibit degenerate behaviour to be a degenerate. You guys are just using the word degenerate in the wrong way as it's commonly used as an insult for people that exhibit that behaviour.
Railey2
you define degeneracy as a psychological state that can even be there in the absence of degenerate behaviour, i define degeneracy as degenerate behaviour.

i can't see how your definition is useful, because even perfectly functioning people could be defined as degenerates, according to your definition. Degenerate is a very strong word, hence why it should be reserved for people with very severe social impairment.

But that's just my opinion, can't tell you to use the same definitions that i use.

Semantic arguments...
EneT
Yes, and the way you and most other people use it is the wrong way to use it; that's why it's clearly separated as 'degeneracy' and 'degenerate behaviour'. The only reason it has a strong connotation for you is because of the way it is commonly used as an insult for fucked up assholes. It simply means a decline of psyche but since people nowadays use it as a word to insult people who have outlandish morals or shitty social skills it gives off the wrong impression. It's brainwashing hammered onto you due to society.

You can keep using the word however you please since that is how it's commonly accepted as but since Rurree used it wrongly in a psychological sense, then fo sure imma go psychological on you hoes and use it in it's true, psychological meaning.
Railey2
heyhey now. Let's not call it an opinion that i hold because of brainwashing, when it's clear that degeneracy is a word with a dozen meanings, and none of them are even used in clinical psychology. You don't get to decide that your definition is right and mine is brainwashed. As it stands, the word isnt something that has been defined in psychological terms, so different definitions are to be expected. That doesn't mean that only one is more right than the other, they can just be more or less useful.
EneT
Yeah... no. It's psychological meaning is already defined and the way people commonly use it nowadays to insult others stems from this definition. Yes, it can have many meanings when used in different fields as it's most basic definition is the deterioration into a lower level but since in this case it's used as an insult derived from it's psychological meaning, then the definition you hold is still due to brainwashing.

In the past, you could have held up that argument as it was used to insult people of lower social status such as minorities and poorer people but the way people use it nowadays to insult people of low social skills and questionable morals directly stems from it's psychological definition.
Railey2
you can go ahead and call everyone brainwashed who doesn't want to call people that function perfectly fine degenerates, but i have to tell you that's quite an outlandish thing to say.



Railey2 wrote:

you define degeneracy as a psychological state that can even be there in the absence of degenerate behaviour, i define degeneracy as degenerate behaviour.

i can't see how your definition is useful, because even perfectly functioning people could be defined as degenerates, according to your definition. Degenerate is a very strong word, hence why it should be reserved for people with very severe social impairment.

But that's just my opinion, can't tell you to use the same definitions that i use.

Semantic arguments...
small correction on my part, i meant to talk about the word 'degenerate', as a description of a person, not of the word 'degeneracy', or the word 'degenerate (adjective)'.

You say a degenerate could even be someone who behaves normally, while i claim the opposite.
EneT
I can see where you're coming from but it's still wrong. I myself don't use it in it's true, psychological meaning normally either. I don't call normal, functioning people degenerates; I use it in it's commonly used definition as an insult. That doesn't take away the fact though that this negative connotation is wrong and due to brainwashing from past and present popular culture.

Girls in England call each other slags as an insult, but does that mean the original definition has an negative connotation? No, no it doesn't.
Railey2
language changes all the time, that's the nature of it.

The word 'nice' used to be an insult, while the word silly used to be a compliment!


Original meaning matters little. Language is constantly evolving.
EneT
Original meanings still matters. Words need to retain some kind of semblance of their original meaning for people to understand how words nowadays derive from so that the language doesn't derail like it has done so in the past.
Railey2
the two examples i made show words that derailed in the most extreme way (the meaning reverted completely), but i doubt that anyone would see that as something bad. There is no semblance of the original meaning there, but i bet you didn't even know of it. They are just regular words that became different regular words. Nothing wrong with that.
EneT
Yeah I didn't know. That's a pretty cool fact of the day.

Still, nowadays people use many words in the completely wrong way and this in turn becomes a trend. In this case, the language isn't really 'evolving' per se, merely changing due to misconception. There has to be order, even if it is in something minuscule such as language.
Railey2

EneT wrote:

Yeah I didn't know. That's a pretty cool fact of the day.

Still, nowadays people use many words in the completely wrong way and this in turn becomes a trend. In this case, the language isn't really 'evolving' per se, merely changing due to misconception.
that's what evolution is. A change caused by error in translation, something that was misconceived and turned into something else because of it.

Language doesn't follow the dictionary, the dictionary follows language. There is still order, even though the order from today might not be the order from 100 years ago. What matters is that people at the time can understand each other.
EneT
Whatever you say man. Evolving suggests an advancement and I don't consider using words in a completely different way an advancement, I consider it a degradation. Just look at the use of slang words. You really call that an evolution of language?
I don't, that isn't advancing forward, that's going backwards.

That's a rhetorical question btw for others to reflect, not to reply to. You can give your opinion but it won't necessarily mean that I will care for it or that I will reply. I'm tired of this conversation.
Railey2
i'm sure people from the 1400s would have really looked down on Shakespeare for using such a degenerated (tehee) language in his works.

You consider simply doing things differently a degradation? Most conservative statement i've ever heard.

Either way, singular words changing their meaning (which happens all the time), isn't really what causes language to degenerate. What really sets things off is changes to grammar...
Foxtrot
Both of you...


eat a dick
Hika
guys stop I got my first tattoo
Railey2
pics plz

it better be the osu logo
Hika
bitch fuck you hell no I wouldn't tattoo that or even say that as a joke
lmao but no really I'll post one sometime soon for teh lulz
Endaris
such a letdown
DeletedUser_6709840
im too broke for another tattoo
Railey2
roseus pix plz
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