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EneT
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EneT

Faust wrote:

Got to see a huge fucking Manatee up-close, make an intro while not giving a single fuck and then proceed to bump itself face-first into the tanks wall.

A good laugh was had.
That's cruel. Sea creatures bumping into tank walls means the tank is much too small for it. ):
I don't endorse marine animal parks.
Faust
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It's technically a tank, but it's also FUCKING HUGE, you could put a thousand manatees in there or something. There are also fishes going around.
I don't have pictures with me, but here:



It came up steadily half-asleep or something, drifted through left to right and bumped the wall. Honestly, it was cute.

Saw a Red Panda too. Took this one myself.

winber1
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It's one of those things where I think much of the left wing wants more equality and tries to be "liberal," but don't exactly realize what they are preaching. They don't realize they are indirectly supporting more regulation and government control. With all these social movements, like black lives matter, they act as if they are doing the world a favor and standing up for equal rights for everyone when they are pretty much making it worse in most aspects of society. And if you try to tell them the truth, they find some scapegoat to take the blame for their haywire thought process.

I will agree with B1rd that at this current point in time, left wing politics are pretty much saying more control over society (even if they don't exactly want it or realize it) to ironically make the nation more "liberal." They are trying to add laws to monitor speech, healthcare, gun control, etc. Although I don't exactly have a better solution currently for these situations, it is what it is.
Railey2
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B1rd wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

@B1rd:

exactly, I wasn't making an argument, nor did I claim that I was making an argument. I just told you that you were wrong about what approximately half of the population really wants (no, the left does not want an authoritarian state that is strictly in control over most aspects of life, for the most part).

This is why political discourse is impossible in the US. The sides can't even bother to listen each other, so they're just strawmanning each other to oblivion. The same thing you do when you accuse the left of wanting to build an authoritarian regime.
"big government controlling everything", lol. What a joke. Who would want something like that?


As long as you're dishonest like that, there is no point in having an actual argument.
Telling me I am wrong without providing any sort of argument is a completely useless and pointless thing to do. Obviously. And so is calling me 'dishonest' just because I don't agree with you.

I said that you don't understand the dichotomy of the left and right because apparently you don't. No one actually says they want a big government controlling everything, but that is a the result of leftists policies.

The left wants
-higher taxes
-more regulation
-more welfare
-more control on speech
-more control on education/healthcare

the right wants
-lower taxes
-less regulation
-less welfare
-less control on speech
-less government control



Whatever you say, it's demonstrably true that the left wants a bigger government with more control over everything.
not over everything. Free speech is a core value for the left as well.

I want to make some arguments for governmental control then.

This is why governmental control is needed. The notion that a free market regulates itself is simply wrong. This has been demonstrated multiple times, often with horrible consequences. When you give people too much freedom, they will find a way to exploit that to fuck others over for their own benefit. People are too scummy to be allowed to be completely free, all the time. An instance like the government is needed to keep things under control, within reasonable boundaries.
This doesn't mean the government controls everything. Personal choices that don't affect others, aka most choices about your personal life, aren't affected. Saying that the government wants to control everything is insane. Governmental control realistically won't interfere with most parts of your life.
You only hear of it if you are in a position of power, such as an employer. That's when the government checks up on you, to see that you don't fuck people over.

Similarly, the government also doesn't want you to fuck yourself over. You can't just go "oooh I just won't get sick, so I don't need healthcare, haha! My children also won't need healthcare cause they won't be sick!" And then you break your leg and can't pay your bills because you don't have insurance.
People need to be protected from their own choices too, sometimes. It's the compassionate thing to do. It's like a benevolent parent that tells you to not be an idiot.

What irks me is that people pretend freedom is a good thing. It's not. Freedom can be a horrible thing, because it gives people the opportunity to hurt others or themselves. There needs to be a balance between freedom and control, if you want anything to work.
Again, this doesn't mean that everything is controlled.

Having a state controlled curriculum that is up to date goes without saying, otherwise you run danger of having creationist bullshit being taught in public schools.


I think it's a real problem that people spout bullshit over the value of freedom without second thought. Freedom isn't good by itself, it never was. And it surely can't fix super complex, multi-layered problems.


To conclude this post: I think that holistic arguments like this one are pretty useless in general. It's a lot more useful to look at single regulations/laws, and see what they want to control, for what purpose they want to control it, if they can be expected to fulfill this purpose, and lastly if the purpose is good.
Everything else seems like a waste of time. When you break down an argument like I just described, I don't think that the left and the right would disagree as often as they might think. There is a lot of potential for common ground.
Razzy
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B1rd wrote:

Rasberriel wrote:

Did you not read the original comment or...?
I did now.

Are you actually gonna come up with a coherent response or...?
If you can't see how accusing an entire demographic (that has already been accused of mounds of other shit for centuries) of being "pedophile apologists" is bad, then there's really no point in continuing this. And I haven't even touched on the fact that even the assumptions she used to make that claim are flawed. But yeah, whatever, keep defending YouTube comments.

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
Faust
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Imagine my surprise.
winber1
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Raspberriel wrote:

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
I'm sure they understand sarcasm. It's about getting views and money. 2016 is the rise of clickbait
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I love pewdiepie xd
EneT
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Faust wrote:

It's technically a tank, but it's also FUCKING HUGE, you could put a thousand manatees in there or something. There are also fishes going around.
I don't have pictures with me, but here:



It came up steadily half-asleep or something, drifted through left to right and bumped the wall. Honestly, it was cute.

Saw a Red Panda too. Took this one myself.

Okay, as long as they don't keep any Sharks, Dolphins, Orcas or any other fast, nomadic, open-water sea creature then it's fine.

Also, Raspberriel your avatar looks fat, I don't like it.
Faust
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Manatees are adorb.

I had no money or else I'd buy the giant manatee plushie. Fuuuuuuuuck.
Razzy
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EneT wrote:

Also, Raspberriel your avatar looks fat, I don't like it.
Yeah, the face shape is weird, but it pretty much describes how I've felt in several situations the past few days

Also, that red panda is adorable
_handholding
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Who are u collab'd with raspberriel ?
Razzy
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Kisses wrote:

Who are u collab'd with raspberriel ?
no one

also, here's an interesting Google trend
okay
EneT
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Collabs are for losers
Hika
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EneT wrote:

Collabs are for losers
Said the loser
EneT
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EneT
Having the longest running collab makes you the biggest loser of all.
_handholding
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I don't think anyone that basically lives in this thread can call other ppl losers lo
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I'm just dedicated to one person is all, unlike some of these hoes.
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Raspberriel wrote:

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
you just did exactly what he hates in the video, basically quoted word for word what he said and missed out the part where he said they understand its sarcasm, its just just clickbait
Razzy
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lol wrote:

Raspberriel wrote:

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
you just did exactly what he hates in the video, basically quoted word for word what he said and missed out the part where he said they understand its sarcasm, its just just clickbait
So they know perfectly well what's going on, but they make shit up anyway. Okay yeah, no wonder people don't trust news media anymore. There's a poll where only big business and Congress are less trusted than the media. Nice.

Personally, I blame this for kicking it off.
Railey2
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Raspberriel wrote:

So they know perfectly well what's going on, but they make shit up anyway. Okay yeah, no wonder people don't trust news media anymore. There's a poll where only big business and Congress are less trusted than the media. Nice.

Personally, I blame this for kicking it off.
another example for my claim that freedom isn't always good: Journalism that is solely after money instead of promoting honest argument to confront serious topics, quickly turns into something akin to buzzfeed, fox news, or this. There are easier ways to make money on the free market, after all. If there is nobody to hold journalists to a standard, the quality of overall media will plummet sooner or later.

Who could hold journalists to a standard? The government. For example by implementing laws that state that you aren't allowed to misrepresent political arguments on purpose to influence your readership in a certain way, etc.
winber1
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Railey2 wrote:

For example by implementing laws that state that you aren't allowed to misrepresent political arguments on purpose to influence your readership in a certain way, etc.
Good luck on that. Whether or not you actually believe what you write, you are just as allowed to say to the public that you believe in what you write and they can't really do shit to you, as long as you are consistent with what you write. Especially in something so subjective, there is no golden rule for saying something is objectively misrepresenting political arguments. And if a law did manage to pass to allow the condemnation of "misrepresented data," then people can just be throwing that at anything that they didn't agree with.
Railey2
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winber1 wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

For example by implementing laws that state that you aren't allowed to misrepresent political arguments on purpose to influence your readership in a certain way, etc.
Good luck on that. Whether or not you actually believe what you write, you are just as allowed to say to the public that you believe in what you write and they can't really do shit to you, as long as you are consistent with what you write. Especially in something so subjective, there is no golden rule for saying something is objectively misrepresenting political arguments. And if a law did manage to pass to allow the condemnation of "misrepresented data," then people can just be throwing that at anything that they didn't agree with.
the point is, it should not up to the people. It should be up to a third party organization that hopefully consists of unbiased, qualified people, who can tell the difference between fair coverage and blatant dishonesty.
There are many instances where news stations straight out lied about the facts. Take for example climate change, or creationism. As soon as you call yourself a news agency, or seek to fulfill the same function under a different name, you should under no circumstance be allowed to lie about clear facts.

Now this sounds pretty radical, so let's put it a different way:



There are two extremes.

1) People just say whatever they want. We have creationism being taught in public schools, news stations just report whatever they like, some of them still try being honest but most just pander to their audience and feed them with the information they want to hear. Nobody is being held to a standard, facts don't matter, it's just everyone living in his own echo chamber.

2) A government that has all the tools to censor opinions on national TV and elsewhere, if they deem them unfitting. Even though the tools were meant to enforce something that may look like this, it is easy to see how such power could be abused pretty quickly.



I believe that the the US is approaching the former in a frightening speed. People already talk about our days being a supposed "post-fact-era", and I believe there is a lot of truth in that, simply because nobody is holding the media to a standard.
Standards are important in journalism, they are immensely important, but currently there are no ramifications if you simply break every golden rule known to journalism. There needs to be an authority that can take the role of a governing instance, otherwise every country will slowly but surely approach the post-fact-era, just like the US is doing now.
And I bet you that this authority will not be the public. The public cares more about its own biases and indoctrinated beliefs than about facts and honest journalism, unless you make them care.

However, we can't have the second extreme either. Free speech is important, but so is the truth. There needs to be some sort of balance. I wouldn't know how exactly that balance can be achieved, I just know that it is very important to not arrive at either extreme.
B1rd
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Funny how before you were talking about how the left doesn't want the government controlling things, and now you're already talking about censoring the media. And also claiming that your opinions on climate change and creationism/evolution are facts so opposing viewpoints should be censored.
Railey2
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as i said, balance is key. The left is definitely in favour of more governmental control, but nobody wants a dystopian future where everything is censored and controlled.

And no, my views on creationism and climate change denial aren't opinions. It's a fact that climate change is real and that the world is older than 6k years. Those are facts. It's important to get this distinction right. Teachers that teach their students wrong things about the world shouldn't be teachers. News anchors that blatantly lie shouldn't report on the news.
Endaris
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B1rd wrote:

Funny how before you were talking about how the left doesn't want the government controlling things, and now you're already talking about censoring the media. And also claiming that your opinions on climate change and creationism/evolution are facts so opposing viewpoints should be censored.
There are differences in journalism.
You can publish so called "comments" which are clearly marked as the opinion of one person.
Then you can publish a "report" which would strictly stick to information and potentially include some discussion of personal opinions which is clearly transmitted as such.
Calling a comment a report is bad journalism and should be avoided by any means. Many parts of media don't tell you anymore what kind of article you're reading so you might very well get only opinions from one side of the spectrum and no informational articles at all.
B1rd
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Railey2 wrote:

as i said, balance is key. The left is definitely in favour of more governmental control, but nobody wants a dystopian future where everything is censored and controlled.

And no, my views on creationism and climate change denial aren't opinions. It's a fact that climate change is real and that the world is older than 6k years. Those are facts. It's important to get this distinction right. Teachers that teach their students wrong things about the world shouldn't be teachers. News anchors that blatantly lie shouldn't report on the news.
Just because you think someone is true doesn't make it a fact. And just because a bunch of scientists think something is true doesn't make it true either. They have been wrong before and will be wrong again. There is no 'balance' on this issue. You have free speech or you don't. You dictate what other people are allowed to say or teach, or you don't.
Yuudachi-kun
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Raspberry send me your results from playing this by itself:

silmarilen
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Luckily the world isn't so black and white as you make it out to be b1rd.
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silmarilen wrote:

Luckily the world isn't so black and white as you make it out to be b1rd.
b1rd needs to justify his hate speech somehow
Razzy
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Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Raspberry send me your results from playing this by itself:

869k, 96.47%

yet I have 911k on Sayonara Planet Wars >_>
Yuudachi-kun
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Raspberriel wrote:

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Raspberry send me your results from playing this by itself:

869k, 96.47%

yet I have 911k on Sayonara Planet Wars >_>
My best on that is 95.8 and I got 94.8 today. Still suck ass at eyes off of you so no 9th dan for me.
Railey2
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Jellyblob56 wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

Luckily the world isn't so black and white as you make it out to be b1rd.
But it is one of right or wrong. Do or don't. True and false.
Then there are theories
well d'uh free speech is already restricted in many places and nobody would even think of suggesting something else. He's acting as if only the liberal party has an interest in respecting free speech, but actually.. every single party known to me does.

If you have cancer and you go to the hospital, the leading surgeon can't just go: "Hey man guess what you don't have cancer after all now go home to your kids and don't worry about it anymore!"
That's illegal. He is not allowed to lie to you because that would have horrible consequences. It's a restriction of free speech.


Freedom of speech isn't always something positive, but people get indoctrinated to a point where they just go against everyone who claims otherwise, without second thought. I bet B1rd internalized the equation freedom = good so much, he will just discard my comment without reading it a second time.

(on a side note, a "theory" is often an immensely well supported fact, in scientific lingo. Like the theory of gravity, or the theory of evolution)

B1rd wrote:

Just because you think someone is true doesn't make it a fact. And just because a bunch of scientists think something is true doesn't make it true either. They have been wrong before and will be wrong again. There is no 'balance' on this issue. You have free speech or you don't. You dictate what other people are allowed to say or teach, or you don't.
You don't have a 100% guarantee for anything in life. If your standards for what constitutes a fact are so high that you think it is valid to ignore decades of well-founded research, then facts might as well not exist in your world.

That's what people mean by "post-fact-era". When you say "hey, only because scientists talk about it doesn't mean it's true", as if that's a valid excuse for believing something that is completely unsupported instead of acting as if the vastly more likely option is true, then every rational discussion becomes completely useless.

News anchors have an obligation to the public, just like doctors or teachers do. It is their duty to inform the public. News HAVE to be factual, otherwise they aren't news.

If someone is casting a talkshow, that's a different issue, but news channels? Just look at fox news, or even CNN recently. The public forgot what makes facts facts, and more importantly, they forgot to care about facts. I accredit this partially to the criminal neglect of the media outlets. This is what we get when we don't have an authority putting its foot down to hold people to a set standard. You'll get a country with lots of dishonest, biased and simply stupid people. I can't stress this enough: Holding the media to a standard is immensely important. Restricting free speech is important.
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Much like sentient, theory is one of those words that are commonly used in the wrong way. You're getting the meaning of theory mixed up with hypothesis jellybean; all theories have experimental results to back them up. Conspiracy theories aren't theories, they're hypotheses that people think up out of their ass.
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Lots of conspiracy theories have more truth to them than you'd like to believe.
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B1rd wrote:

Lots of conspiracy theories have more truth to them than you'd like to believe.
That doesn't mean anything unless you have cold, hard evidence for the claims. That's why conspiracy theories often stay are just that, a theory. It may be possible and may some convincing arguments but that doesn't make it fact.
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Lots of conspiracy theories have more truth to them than you'd like to believe.
That doesn't mean anything unless you have cold, hard evidence for the claims. That's why conspiracy theories often stay are just that, a theory. It may be possible and may some convincing arguments but that doesn't make it fact.
http://oregonstate.edu/instruction/bb31 ... ories.html

What "theory" means in ordinary speech:
The term "theory" means a very different thing when used in everyday conversation and in science. In our day to day speech, we often use "theory" to mean a guess or unsubstantiated idea about how something works (as in "I have a theory that gremlins are hiding my car keys").

In science, we would call such a guess a hypothesis, not a theory. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for an observation. In this case, I am proposing that the explanation for why I can't find my car keys is that gremlins are hiding them.*

The distinction between the words "Theory" and "Hypothesis" is very important because in science "Theory" does not mean "guess". I repeat, "Theory" does not mean "guess".

So, what does the word "theory" mean in science?
According to the National Academies of Sciences, "some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena".


Jellyblob56 wrote:

Of course but I think what he's trying to say is that conspiracy theories aren't just pulled out of someone ass. They stem from something.
I think its very often the case that someone indeed just pulled a conspiracy theory out of his ass.
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black pigeon is so sexually repressed lol
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porn is bad if you watch it everyday
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Dude,your new name doesnt look good ;(
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Madvillain wrote:

porn is bad if you watch it every day
i bet you only have sex in the missionary position : D

don't forget to wear your sinner-robe or else god won't know that you repent for your lewd actions.
Rurree
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too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
Faust
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Madvillain laying down the obvious. Moderation is key.

Also Malena Morgan is pretty hot. C:
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what if there is porn deprivation?
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my prostate will explode
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Madvillain wrote:

too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
too much osu turns you into a degenerate too, but playing once a day for half an hour isn't exactly a level of addiction that prevents you from making meaningful contributions to society and having a generally productive life
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lol

Railey2 wrote:

i play osu for 30mins perday and i am big rank and i am not degenerate do what i do or u are degenerate
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Good: Size is just right to fit into the last remaining spaces my cupboard

Bad: I must stop buying figurines

FUCK.
Rurree
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well, obviously osu isn't comparable to porn.

i don't play much osu anyway so i can't really relate.
Railey2
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Madvillain wrote:

well, obviously osu isn't comparable to porn.

i don't play much osu anyway so i can't really relate.
doing something for half an hour every day that has no effect on your productivity in any other area does not make you a degenerate, that's the point I was making.
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Faust wrote:



Good: Size is just right to fit into the last remaining spaces my cupboard

Bad: I must stop buying figurines

FUCK.
I really, really want that now
Rurree
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Too much porn can make you beta as fuck and contributes greatly to social and psychological problems, that's the point I was trying to make. I doubt the time span per day matters, and that osu can have the same effects.
Foxtrot
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Madvillain wrote:

Too much porn can make you beta as fuck and contributes greatly to social and psychological problems, that's the point I was trying to make. I doubt the time span per day matters, and that osu can have the same effects.
hey rurree was better!!111 xddD
Railey2
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Madvillain wrote:

Too much porn can make you beta as fuck, that's the point I was trying to make. I doubt the time span per day matters.
I think you're delusional and hold a view that is completely unsupported by anything science and social studies brought forward, but to each his own. It's also a harmful view because it perpetuates a social stigma that makes people feel guilty for no reason.

Addiction is a different matter and there definitely are lots of negative effects to addictions, but as long as there is no interference with important stuff or crippling compulsion, watching porn is simply a matter of how people want to spend their leisure time. You're making it seem worse than it is.
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Faust
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Why does Rreee keep making obvious as fuck / dumb points.

?????
Foxtrot
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Faust wrote:

Why does Rreee keep making obvious as fuck / dumb points.

?????
Because apparently they're not obvious enough around here lol
Faust
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Half the regulars here just want to shove the other with semantics it's weird no one gets tired.

In other news: My salary in $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Rurree
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I'm not delusional because it happens in real life. Try reading Terry Crews' Manhood: How to Be a Better Man or Just Live with One (where he talked about pornographic addiction, stating that it had a negative impact on his marriage and personal life) I also don't think there are any studies that disprove this fact at all?

Besides, I'm not talking about casual watching, because obviously there's no problem with that. I don't think I'm making it seem worse than it is because it is that bad. How is pornographic addiction a good thing? It rewires a person's brain negatively and separates the addict from reality. It can interfere with important stuff if you're ADDICTED to the point of no return. Since when did I say that porn as a whole is bad anyway when I watch it myself?

@Faust - Probably because I was being half-assed when saying it, of course it's obvious.
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Faust wrote:

Why does Rreee keep making obvious as fuck / dumb points.

?????
Railey2
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addiction is bad, nobody is disputing that

but watching once a day doesn't make you an addict. Addiction in medical pathology means that you're going after it even though it's clearly to your own detriment, there needs to be some sort of impairment. It's dysfunctional behavior.
If you are simply doing something regularly, that doesn't mean that you're addicted. If you watch porn daily, that doesn't mean you're addicted to watching porn. Far from it.
Faust
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That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Read What I Have Written

vs.

Haha No That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Reflect On What I Have To Write
Rurree
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but since when did i talk about watching it once a day. i said everyday, but not once a day?

railey, seriously, wtf.
_handholding
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_handholding

Faust wrote:

That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Read What I Have Written

vs.

Haha No That Was Not The Point I Was (Trying) To Make, Please Try Again But In The Meantime Go And Reflect On What I Have To Write
Faust marry me
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Faust
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He's not even saying you did ?

Dude you're letting the entire thing go over your head.

@Kisses: Maybe.
Rurree
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He's giving "arguments" (idk what term to use) that had no correlation with what I was talking about. How'd that make sense? I know his point, but I'm really confused as to why he's talking about it.

I've said it over and over that watching porn during leisure time is most definitely ok. It's just that if you watch it too much and let it control your mind, you'll end up being a degenerate. Nothing delusional about that.
_handholding
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_handholding
Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
Rurree
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Is it because you're a degenerate yourself or..
Faust
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I hear taking things too seriously causes problems too.

But we're not into that right ?
Also Railey just loves to carpet-bomb words because he's smart and can English his way through.
Rurree
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I'm not the kind of person to have misunderstandings remain as misunderstandings. Whether I take it seriously or not doesn't even matter.
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Kisses wrote:

Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
It's weird hearing about yourself isn't it, Kisses
Faust
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See that's why Railey and you keep playing this silly ping pong.

Also why'd you change your username ?
Razzy
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Foxtrot wrote:

Kisses wrote:

Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
It's weird hearing about yourself isn't it, Kisses
o shit

also, I love how right now, every time I step away from the forums to do something, there's at least one new post in this thread
lol
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lol
most arguements get turned into a dick measuring contests on this thread its rely nice
Rurree
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Sick of people pm'ing me and thinking I'm a girl. Most weeb Filipinos in the channel think this game is a dating site.
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lol
it is
Zain Sugieres
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Zain Sugieres
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Rurree
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A dating site that they think they have a chance of picking up girls from.
Faust
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Clearly no one in their lives has told them to fuck off yet, it's up to you dude.
_handholding
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_handholding

Foxtrot wrote:

Kisses wrote:

Whenever someone uses the word 'degenerate' unironically I get triggered a little
It's weird hearing about yourself isn't it, Kisses
Not trying to come across as salty or w/e but why is it you always get involved in other people's exchanges? This is like the 50th time now
Foxtrot
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Look who's talking. Besides, I can post whenever I want; this is a public forum for a reason, after all. And yeah, you're coming off as really salty so I can't help but laugh at you for it
Railey2
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Madvillain wrote:

but since when did i talk about watching it once a day. i said everyday, but not once a day?

railey, seriously, wtf.
every day includes people who do it once a day though. I agree that if the time exceeds an hour per day, you're stepping into dangerous territory, but most people don't really go there


anyway misunderstandings suck, addictions suck too, I think we're on the same page in this anyway. I just don't like people using the word "degenerate" prematurely.
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Madvillain wrote:

too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
Wrong.
Too much porn doesn't make you a degenerate. Being a degenerate makes you watch too much porn. There is a difference.
Rurree
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In my opinion, both are true.
Faust
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Faust


Too good.
Railey2
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EneT wrote:

Madvillain wrote:

too much porn can turn you into a degenerate
Wrong.
Too much porn doesn't make you a degenerate. Being a degenerate makes you watch too much porn. There is a difference.
T-That's another curious claim
EneT
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Can't be. Watching too much porn suggests there was already something wrong in your life in the first place. Maybe you ain't gettin' any good pussy, you're ugly, un-social asf or w/e. No one with a decently functioning life would watch porn and become addicted to it when the real thing is so much better and easy to attain.
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Rurree
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But it happened to Terry Crews who was already a successful actor and footballer. It happens. Just not that often though compared to the point you made.
EneT
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There was already something wrong with him to begin with, just because he's successful doesn't mean there can't be something wrong in his head. Unlike drugs or alcohol, Porn isn't the kind of thing you watch then suddenly become addicted to but much like drugs and alcohol it's a form of escape. There is a reason why you're watching Porn, there always is.

You shouldn't be questioning the act of doing things, rather, questioning the reasoning behind those actions.
Rurree
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Fair point.
EneT
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It's basic understanding of human psychology. Railey was saying earlier that too much Osu makes you a degenerate too when that's wrong. Playing too much Osu means you're already a 'degenerate' in the first place as those people clearly have no better substitute than playing this game for countless hours.
Railey2
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It's wrong to say that having a lot of money makes you rich. If you have a lot of money, you're already rich in the first place!

the distinction you're making here is completely nonsensical, EneT.


Plus, addiction doesn't always happen for rational or predictable reasons. It can just happen without anything pointing towards it. Maybe people had a rich life before they started playing osu, but then just dropped their other activities one after another while increasing their playtime until it turned into something bad and compulsive.
EneT
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Now you're the one being nonsensical. The example you give has nothing to do with psychology. There is a root to all addictions and it can stem from something as simple as having an addictive personality, which is a problem in of itself. If you're going as far enough to drop other activities to the point it becomes bad and compulsive, there's something wrong going on inside your head, be it consciously or subconsciously.
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