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am I the only one that went to a normal school?
Endaris
No, that's probably one of the few things we have in common, Kisses.
Foxtrot

Kisses wrote:

am I the only one that went to a normal school?
My school was normal. Nothing that disgusting ever happened
Railey2

Foxtrot wrote:

Kisses wrote:

am I the only one that went to a normal school?
My school was normal. Nothing that disgusting ever happened
I can assure you that it did, you just never heard of it
Endaris
^ that's also true but a certain amount of weird stuff is guaranteed when there are so many people in one place. Can't help it.

Someone give me ideas for forum games' hunger games custom events. So far I only set up 1 arena event and 1 night event. (And deleted a chunk of really lame events)
Railey2

Endaris wrote:

Someone give me ideas for forum games' hunger games custom events. So far I only set up 1 arena event and 1 night event. (And deleted a chunk of really lame events)
can you give an example for what these events should look like?
Endaris
Uh.
Be creative I suppose. You are familiar with the Hunger Games in general, aren't you?
If you wanna look how it looks right now (or rather in the default version with customized characters), just check the latest completed run starting here.
I suppose it's a bit like Cards against Humanity with the restriction that there are only persons as black cards. And that the white cards need to be somewhat coherent I suppose.
Railey2
X can't deal with being away from his computer for more than 24 hours and commits sudoku (event on day1)

while running away from a scary looking tree, X trips and breaks his neck (night event)


like this?
Endaris
Yeah, just that it has to be good. The first one is already kinda decent.
Railey2

Endaris wrote:

Yeah, just that it has to be good.
oh.. ):


Endaris eats a funny looking fruit and soon after finds himself hallucinating about better days on the ground.
Endaris
You have to know that we have already made very bad experience with trees. So don't take it personally.
You can include up to 6 persons in one event.
Railey2
X, X, X, X, X and X have an orgy in the woods.

also please elaborate on the trees!
Hika
I want more mafia members omfg.
_handholding
No way a normal school would allow Foxtrot to enroll
Foxtrot

Kisses wrote:

No way a normal school would allow Foxtrot to enroll
I'm not exactly the biggest threat to public school
DeletedUser_6709840
i finally stopped crying tears of joy, thats the highlight of my day
Jellyblob
x
B1rd

Hika wrote:

I want more mafia members omfg.
I'll join a mafia game if there is one.
Aomi

Jellyblob56 wrote:

what on earth could possibly make you that happy in this day and age
yuri on ice 👀
Faust
It could use less homosexual undertones for sure.

Fight me.
B1rd
>Yuri is the name of the MC and it's a guy

I've never been so disappointed in my life.
Jellyblob
x
Faust
Pretty decent show, actually.

Tons of fanservice for girls who are into yaoi, I suppose.
lol
can i pay someone to do my computer science uni assignments please one of u must be able to do it
_handholding

B1rd wrote:

>Yuri is the name of the MC and it's a guy

I've never been so disappointed in my life.
Tornado

lol wrote:

can i pay someone to do my computer science uni assignments please one of u must be able to do it
You had to think of it while you were watching hentai you scrub
Foxtrot

lol wrote:

can i pay someone to do my computer science uni assignments please one of u must be able to do it
isn't computer science your major, though?
lol

Foxtrot wrote:

lol wrote:

can i pay someone to do my computer science uni assignments please one of u must be able to do it
isn't computer science your major, though?
yes but i am busy making mad p $$$$$$$
winber1

lol wrote:

can i pay someone to do my computer science uni assignments please one of u must be able to do it
yea, i'll do it if you pay me. can't guarantee correct answers tho.
abraker

lol wrote:

can i pay someone to do my computer science uni assignments please one of u must be able to do it
ok

1$ for 1% chance one question will have the correct answer. Want 100% chance 5 questions will be correct? Pay me $500. Want 10% chance 4 questions will be correct? Pay me $40.
Railey2

lol wrote:

yes but i am busy making mad p $$$$$$$
how much are you making now?
Rilene

lol wrote:

yes but i am busy making mad p $$$$$$$
is it at least $100/s?
lol
enough to hire 2 portugese underlings to do work for me

slowly learning that i can just hire people to do things for me if its important
Railey2
44444 posts
Hika
I'd do your homework for you lol
but I wanna know what it is

Oh also bird, I will let you know when my game is being hosted.
Jordan
Hika
bitches are stupid
Railey2
looks like parody
EneT
Dat tweet so old
Rurree
i love you jordan
Razzy
okay can we just nuke every youtube comment section right now please and thank you
_handholding

Raspberriel wrote:

okay can we just nuke every youtube comment section right now please and thank you
background story pls
Razzy

Kisses wrote:

Raspberriel wrote:

okay can we just nuke every youtube comment section right now please and thank you
background story pls
inspired by people circlejerking about how much they hate Colbert because he called out their bullshit, and saying stuff like


65 likes for blatantly anti-Semitic crap. The kicker is, he isn't even Jewish!
This cunt wasn't kidding either -- she also said she couldn't possibly be a nazi because she has brown skin

But overall, it just seems like in general, they're where everything annoying about the internet converges into one giant cesspool

On some videos, it's ultra-defensive tumblr fandoms and/or forced memes (aka anything even remotely related to GiIvaSunner and/or JoJo)
On other videos (as in every political video ever), it's conspiracy theorists/alt-righters (it's never liberals or even moderate conservatives) circlejerking themselves and taking up the entire "top comments" section
And, of course, the spammers and scammers blocking replies to their comments so no one can call them out for the pieces of trash that they are
Even on videos about more "cultured" subjects there's always one person that fucks it up

That being said, I still don't like it when a sizable channel disables their comments, especially if they're peddling bullshit about a controversial topic (looking at every video that shits on gamers for no reason), but after seeing the way 95% of YT commenters are, can you really blame them?
Railey2
you've never seen liberals circlejerking? The whole US selection has been one big liberal circlejerk. Don't say that liberals don't circlejerk. They do it too, they also do it on youtube a lot. Of course it would extend to the internet as well, they've been at it so much people say this is what lost them their election-cycle.
EneT
You're reading the comment section of the wrong youtube videos, of course you're going to run into cancer. Only read the comments for quality videos such as these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP-X84AB034
General rule, just don't read any long reply chains and you're safe.
Razzy

Railey2 wrote:

you've never seen liberals circlejerking? The whole US selection has been one big liberal circlejerk. Don't say that liberals don't circlejerk. They do it too, they also do it on youtube a lot. Of course it would extend to the internet as well, they've been at it so much people say this is what lost them their election-cycle.
I personally haven't seen it happen on any trending politics video. I've seen it elsewhere on the Internet, though.

Case in point: you would think there would be comments agreeing with what people like Colbert or John Oliver say, but nope, the sheer majority is people calling them Hillary shills and MSM cucks and saying "This is why Trump won" (though that latter part is partly true). The video I pulled the above screenshot from only had one "top" comment agreeing with Colbert -- the rest were Pizzagate circlejerks.

EneT wrote:

You're reading the comment section of the wrong youtube videos, of course you're going to run into cancer. Only read the comments for quality videos such as these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP-X84AB034
General rule, just don't read any long reply chains and you're safe.
There are some gaming channels where everyone seems to be cool in the comments, I'll say that much.
Railey2
there is only one kind of video that I watch
EneT
zzz his monotone way of talking makes me feel like sleeping
Railey2
Just reading some youtube comments. I think it's bad that they indoctrinate the American youth to believe in freedom as this sort of wonder medicine that can fix all of their problems. USA is the best because freeeedom!! I aint not elect this politician he don't care bout muh freeeedom!!

what in the hell


"It is the liberals who want to create the controlling, freedomless, post-apocalyptic distopia. They just dress it up in social justice terminology."
???!

it seems like conservatives distrust everything with the label "government" on it, no matter what it's about, and libertarians aren't silly enough to believe that a market would just regulate itself and be fine if you add more freeeeeedom. This is what I've gathered from reading youtube comments tonight. What a waste of time, I'm so done with this shit

this was the video if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Wb1QCSuMg


some other gems:
"The left is so pathetic. They hate freedom, hate white rich people, hate America, and always think they know it all."
"The moment a "Rev" puts his faith in government over GOD, he No longer is worthy of that title." (completely irrelevant to anything discussed in the video?!)
"yeah! freedom is stupid, now let's hand over control to isis and putin, they'll protect us with violence"

what the fuck

how can people so fundamentally misunderstand what the left is about? Are these people really representing modern day conservatives in the US?
DeletedUser_6709840

Jellyblob56 wrote:

what on earth could possibly make you that happy in this day and age
yuri on ice, bruh. Thats what has made me so happy
Razzy
For the record, I based my initial thoughts on three videos: Oliver's Brexit video and Colbert's post-election and Pizzagate videos. That's all it took.

omg she said "for the record" CTR shill confirmed

Railey2 wrote:

what the fuck

how can people so fundamentally misunderstand what the left is about? Are these people really representing modern day conservatives in the US?
lmao

These people have been around for years now. The Internet just makes them stick out more.

RoseusJaeger wrote:

Jellyblob56 wrote:

what on earth could possibly make you that happy in this day and age
yuri on ice, bruh. Thats what has made me so happy
also mania
abraker
B1rd

Rasberriel wrote:

okay can we just nuke every youtube comment section right now please and thank you
You really can't stand different opinions can you.

how can people so fundamentally misunderstand what the left is about? Are these people really representing modern day conservatives in the US?
Seems like you don't understand what the dichotomy of the left and right is about. The left is about big government controlling everything.

libertarians aren't silly enough to believe that a market would just regulate itself and be fine if you add more freeeeeedom. This is what I've gathered from reading youtube comments tonight. What a waste of time, I'm so done with this shit
Most libertarians believe in free market ideals.
Razzy

B1rd wrote:

Rasberriel wrote:

okay can we just nuke every youtube comment section right now please and thank you
You really can't stand different opinions can you.
Neither can /r/the_donald, apparently.

Also, if by "different opinions" you mean "non-ironic attacks on the Jews" and "applying an incredibly arbitrary interpretation to a circle of friends' conversations" or even something as petty as "[Franchise X] is the best/trash" then yes, I guess that's true. But regarding the more serious ones, I'd rather not go down the whole "racist/sexist/etc." rabbit hole, since it just leads to arguments about tolerance of intolerance and where exactly the intolerance even starts (in religions like Islam or in far-right movements).

Apologies if I don't make any sense, it's 3 in the morning and I'm still up for whatever reason...
Railey2

B1rd wrote:

how can people so fundamentally misunderstand what the left is about? Are these people really representing modern day conservatives in the US?
Seems like you don't understand what the dichotomy of the left and right is about. The left is about big government controlling everything.
no
Jordan

Raspberriel wrote:



65 likes for blatantly anti-Semitic crap. The kicker is, he isn't even Jewish!
This cunt wasn't kidding either -- she also said she couldn't possibly be a nazi because she has brown skin

But overall, it just seems like in general, they're where everything annoying about the internet converges into one giant cesspool

On some videos, it's ultra-defensive tumblr fandoms and/or forced memes (aka anything even remotely related to GiIvaSunner and/or JoJo)
On other videos (as in every political video ever), it's conspiracy theorists/alt-righters (it's never liberals or even moderate conservatives) circlejerking themselves and taking up the entire "top comments" section
And, of course, the spammers and scammers blocking replies to their comments so no one can call them out for the pieces of trash that they are
Even on videos about more "cultured" subjects there's always one person that fucks it up

That being said, I still don't like it when a sizable channel disables their comments, especially if they're peddling bullshit about a controversial topic (looking at every video that shits on gamers for no reason), but after seeing the way 95% of YT commenters are, can you really blame them?
Hey, for once a youtube comment said something that makes sense ;^ )
lol
just did a shit in a bin bag in my room beacuse im too socially awkward to go out to the toilet and potentially make eye contact with my flat mates. luckily i always have the fap toilet roll on hand
Zain Sugieres
Just go to the designated shit street
lol

Zain Sugieres wrote:

Just go to the designated shit street
i live in england not india
Zain Sugieres

lol wrote:

Zain Sugieres wrote:

Just go to the designated shit street
i live in New India not India
???
Restore
yea there are no designated shit streets in first world countries, unless ur talking about where i find dead hookers my neighbor chokeslammed
lol

Close wrote:

yea there are no designated shit streets in first world countries, unless ur talking about where i find dead hookers my neighbor chokeslammed
can u not talk about forum members like that
Restore

lol wrote:

Close wrote:

yea there are no designated shit streets in first world countries, unless ur talking about where i find dead hookers my neighbor chokeslammed
can u not talk about forum members like that
OI OI YA FUCKIN GAYYYY ILL CHOKESLAM U OFF TRUMP TOWER
lol
i think some regulars of this particular post are going to be angry
_handholding

Jordan wrote:

Raspberriel wrote:



65 likes for blatantly anti-Semitic crap. The kicker is, he isn't even Jewish!
This cunt wasn't kidding either -- she also said she couldn't possibly be a nazi because she has brown skin

But overall, it just seems like in general, they're where everything annoying about the internet converges into one giant cesspool

On some videos, it's ultra-defensive tumblr fandoms and/or forced memes (aka anything even remotely related to GiIvaSunner and/or JoJo)
On other videos (as in every political video ever), it's conspiracy theorists/alt-righters (it's never liberals or even moderate conservatives) circlejerking themselves and taking up the entire "top comments" section
And, of course, the spammers and scammers blocking replies to their comments so no one can call them out for the pieces of trash that they are
Even on videos about more "cultured" subjects there's always one person that fucks it up

That being said, I still don't like it when a sizable channel disables their comments, especially if they're peddling bullshit about a controversial topic (looking at every video that shits on gamers for no reason), but after seeing the way 95% of YT commenters are, can you really blame them?
Hey, for once a youtube comment said something that makes sense ;^ )
tmw you find out Raspberriel has "anything Jordan posts" written in her "ongoing list of triggers" xd
B1rd

Railey2 wrote:

no


Raspberriel wrote:

Also, if by "different opinions" you mean "non-ironic attacks on the Jews" and "applying an incredibly arbitrary interpretation to a circle of friends' conversations" or even something as petty as "[Franchise X] is the best/trash" then yes, I guess that's true. But regarding the more serious ones, I'd rather not go down the whole "racist/sexist/etc." rabbit hole, since it just leads to arguments about tolerance of intolerance and where exactly the intolerance even starts (in religions like Islam or in far-right movements).

Apologies if I don't make any sense, it's 3 in the morning and I'm still up for whatever reason...
Accusing people of 'unironic attacks on Jews' holds about as much weight as accusing someone of 'unironic attacks on Nazis'. But basically you just got triggered by Youtube comments, typically libtard lol
Razzy

Kisses wrote:

tmw you find out Raspberriel has "anything Jordan posts" written in her "ongoing list of triggers" xd
yeah, I'm pretty sure he'd be the only person in this thread that could unironically say that Hitler did nothing wrong

B1rd wrote:

Accusing people of 'unironic attacks on Jews' holds about as much weight as accusing someone of 'unironic attacks on Nazis'. But basically you just got triggered by Youtube comments, typically libtard lol
what in the everloving fuck does this mean
she was 100% serious
excuuuuuuuse me for pointing out that anti-Semites are anti-Semitic, go back to riding Molyneux's dick some more
Tornado
Good Morning Raspberriel :D

Set some more scores and become top 500
B1rd

Raspberriel wrote:

what in the everloving fuck does this mean
she was 100% serious
excuuuuuuuse me for pointing out that anti-Semites are anti-Semitic, go back to riding Molyneux's dick some more
*triggering intensifies*

who is 'she'?

Reminder that calling someone 'anti-semetic' is in fact not an argument. You're just relying on the negative connotations of a word to imply someone is bad and nasty without actually offering an explanation of why they are.

Razzy
Did you not read the original comment or...?
Railey2
@B1rd:

exactly, I wasn't making an argument, nor did I claim that I was making an argument. I just told you that you were wrong about what approximately half of the population really wants (no, the left does not want an authoritarian state that is strictly in control over most aspects of life, for the most part).

This is why political discourse is impossible in the US. The sides can't even bother to listen each other, so they're just strawmanning each other to oblivion. The same thing you do when you accuse the left of wanting to build an authoritarian regime.
"big government controlling everything", lol. What a joke. Who would want something like that?


As long as you're dishonest like that, there is no point in having an actual argument.
Faust
Got to see a huge fucking Manatee up-close, make an intro while not giving a single fuck and then proceed to bump itself face-first into the tanks wall.

A good laugh was had.
Mahogany
ITT: Being an anti-semite isn't a bad thing

Though I guess it's pretty obvious b1rd is a nazi already
B1rd

Railey2 wrote:

@B1rd:

exactly, I wasn't making an argument, nor did I claim that I was making an argument. I just told you that you were wrong about what approximately half of the population really wants (no, the left does not want an authoritarian state that is strictly in control over most aspects of life, for the most part).

This is why political discourse is impossible in the US. The sides can't even bother to listen each other, so they're just strawmanning each other to oblivion. The same thing you do when you accuse the left of wanting to build an authoritarian regime.
"big government controlling everything", lol. What a joke. Who would want something like that?


As long as you're dishonest like that, there is no point in having an actual argument.
Telling me I am wrong without providing any sort of argument is a completely useless and pointless thing to do. Obviously. And so is calling me 'dishonest' just because I don't agree with you.

I said that you don't understand the dichotomy of the left and right because apparently you don't. No one actually says they want a big government controlling everything, but that is a the result of leftists policies.

The left wants
-higher taxes
-more regulation
-more welfare
-more control on speech
-more control on education/healthcare

the right wants
-lower taxes
-less regulation
-less welfare
-less control on speech
-less government control



Whatever you say, it's demonstrably true that the left wants a bigger government with more control over everything.

Rasberriel wrote:

Did you not read the original comment or...?
I did now.

Are you actually gonna come up with a coherent response or...?
EneT

Faust wrote:

Got to see a huge fucking Manatee up-close, make an intro while not giving a single fuck and then proceed to bump itself face-first into the tanks wall.

A good laugh was had.
That's cruel. Sea creatures bumping into tank walls means the tank is much too small for it. ):
I don't endorse marine animal parks.
Faust
It's technically a tank, but it's also FUCKING HUGE, you could put a thousand manatees in there or something. There are also fishes going around.
I don't have pictures with me, but here:



It came up steadily half-asleep or something, drifted through left to right and bumped the wall. Honestly, it was cute.

Saw a Red Panda too. Took this one myself.

winber1
It's one of those things where I think much of the left wing wants more equality and tries to be "liberal," but don't exactly realize what they are preaching. They don't realize they are indirectly supporting more regulation and government control. With all these social movements, like black lives matter, they act as if they are doing the world a favor and standing up for equal rights for everyone when they are pretty much making it worse in most aspects of society. And if you try to tell them the truth, they find some scapegoat to take the blame for their haywire thought process.

I will agree with B1rd that at this current point in time, left wing politics are pretty much saying more control over society (even if they don't exactly want it or realize it) to ironically make the nation more "liberal." They are trying to add laws to monitor speech, healthcare, gun control, etc. Although I don't exactly have a better solution currently for these situations, it is what it is.
Railey2

B1rd wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

@B1rd:

exactly, I wasn't making an argument, nor did I claim that I was making an argument. I just told you that you were wrong about what approximately half of the population really wants (no, the left does not want an authoritarian state that is strictly in control over most aspects of life, for the most part).

This is why political discourse is impossible in the US. The sides can't even bother to listen each other, so they're just strawmanning each other to oblivion. The same thing you do when you accuse the left of wanting to build an authoritarian regime.
"big government controlling everything", lol. What a joke. Who would want something like that?


As long as you're dishonest like that, there is no point in having an actual argument.
Telling me I am wrong without providing any sort of argument is a completely useless and pointless thing to do. Obviously. And so is calling me 'dishonest' just because I don't agree with you.

I said that you don't understand the dichotomy of the left and right because apparently you don't. No one actually says they want a big government controlling everything, but that is a the result of leftists policies.

The left wants
-higher taxes
-more regulation
-more welfare
-more control on speech
-more control on education/healthcare

the right wants
-lower taxes
-less regulation
-less welfare
-less control on speech
-less government control



Whatever you say, it's demonstrably true that the left wants a bigger government with more control over everything.
not over everything. Free speech is a core value for the left as well.

I want to make some arguments for governmental control then.

This is why governmental control is needed. The notion that a free market regulates itself is simply wrong. This has been demonstrated multiple times, often with horrible consequences. When you give people too much freedom, they will find a way to exploit that to fuck others over for their own benefit. People are too scummy to be allowed to be completely free, all the time. An instance like the government is needed to keep things under control, within reasonable boundaries.
This doesn't mean the government controls everything. Personal choices that don't affect others, aka most choices about your personal life, aren't affected. Saying that the government wants to control everything is insane. Governmental control realistically won't interfere with most parts of your life.
You only hear of it if you are in a position of power, such as an employer. That's when the government checks up on you, to see that you don't fuck people over.

Similarly, the government also doesn't want you to fuck yourself over. You can't just go "oooh I just won't get sick, so I don't need healthcare, haha! My children also won't need healthcare cause they won't be sick!" And then you break your leg and can't pay your bills because you don't have insurance.
People need to be protected from their own choices too, sometimes. It's the compassionate thing to do. It's like a benevolent parent that tells you to not be an idiot.

What irks me is that people pretend freedom is a good thing. It's not. Freedom can be a horrible thing, because it gives people the opportunity to hurt others or themselves. There needs to be a balance between freedom and control, if you want anything to work.
Again, this doesn't mean that everything is controlled.

Having a state controlled curriculum that is up to date goes without saying, otherwise you run danger of having creationist bullshit being taught in public schools.


I think it's a real problem that people spout bullshit over the value of freedom without second thought. Freedom isn't good by itself, it never was. And it surely can't fix super complex, multi-layered problems.


To conclude this post: I think that holistic arguments like this one are pretty useless in general. It's a lot more useful to look at single regulations/laws, and see what they want to control, for what purpose they want to control it, if they can be expected to fulfill this purpose, and lastly if the purpose is good.
Everything else seems like a waste of time. When you break down an argument like I just described, I don't think that the left and the right would disagree as often as they might think. There is a lot of potential for common ground.
Razzy

B1rd wrote:

Rasberriel wrote:

Did you not read the original comment or...?
I did now.

Are you actually gonna come up with a coherent response or...?
If you can't see how accusing an entire demographic (that has already been accused of mounds of other shit for centuries) of being "pedophile apologists" is bad, then there's really no point in continuing this. And I haven't even touched on the fact that even the assumptions she used to make that claim are flawed. But yeah, whatever, keep defending YouTube comments.

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
Faust
Imagine my surprise.
winber1

Raspberriel wrote:

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
I'm sure they understand sarcasm. It's about getting views and money. 2016 is the rise of clickbait
N0thingSpecial
I love pewdiepie xd
EneT

Faust wrote:

It's technically a tank, but it's also FUCKING HUGE, you could put a thousand manatees in there or something. There are also fishes going around.
I don't have pictures with me, but here:



It came up steadily half-asleep or something, drifted through left to right and bumped the wall. Honestly, it was cute.

Saw a Red Panda too. Took this one myself.

Okay, as long as they don't keep any Sharks, Dolphins, Orcas or any other fast, nomadic, open-water sea creature then it's fine.

Also, Raspberriel your avatar looks fat, I don't like it.
Faust
Manatees are adorb.

I had no money or else I'd buy the giant manatee plushie. Fuuuuuuuuck.
Razzy

EneT wrote:

Also, Raspberriel your avatar looks fat, I don't like it.
Yeah, the face shape is weird, but it pretty much describes how I've felt in several situations the past few days

Also, that red panda is adorable
_handholding
Who are u collab'd with raspberriel ?
Razzy

Kisses wrote:

Who are u collab'd with raspberriel ?
no one

also, here's an interesting Google trend
EneT
Collabs are for losers
Hika

EneT wrote:

Collabs are for losers
Said the loser
EneT
Having the longest running collab makes you the biggest loser of all.
_handholding
I don't think anyone that basically lives in this thread can call other ppl losers lo
Hika
I'm just dedicated to one person is all, unlike some of these hoes.
lol

Raspberriel wrote:

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
you just did exactly what he hates in the video, basically quoted word for word what he said and missed out the part where he said they understand its sarcasm, its just just clickbait
Razzy

lol wrote:

Raspberriel wrote:

On a side note, the media coverage of PewDiePie's recent videos is absolutely absurd. It's like journalists have lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm or something. TIME Magazine called it a "temper tantrum" -- anyone who watched the videos knows that's patently false. But then again, they've been doing this crap for years now about anything on the Internet...
you just did exactly what he hates in the video, basically quoted word for word what he said and missed out the part where he said they understand its sarcasm, its just just clickbait
So they know perfectly well what's going on, but they make shit up anyway. Okay yeah, no wonder people don't trust news media anymore. There's a poll where only big business and Congress are less trusted than the media. Nice.

Personally, I blame this for kicking it off.
Railey2

Raspberriel wrote:

So they know perfectly well what's going on, but they make shit up anyway. Okay yeah, no wonder people don't trust news media anymore. There's a poll where only big business and Congress are less trusted than the media. Nice.

Personally, I blame this for kicking it off.
another example for my claim that freedom isn't always good: Journalism that is solely after money instead of promoting honest argument to confront serious topics, quickly turns into something akin to buzzfeed, fox news, or this. There are easier ways to make money on the free market, after all. If there is nobody to hold journalists to a standard, the quality of overall media will plummet sooner or later.

Who could hold journalists to a standard? The government. For example by implementing laws that state that you aren't allowed to misrepresent political arguments on purpose to influence your readership in a certain way, etc.
winber1

Railey2 wrote:

For example by implementing laws that state that you aren't allowed to misrepresent political arguments on purpose to influence your readership in a certain way, etc.
Good luck on that. Whether or not you actually believe what you write, you are just as allowed to say to the public that you believe in what you write and they can't really do shit to you, as long as you are consistent with what you write. Especially in something so subjective, there is no golden rule for saying something is objectively misrepresenting political arguments. And if a law did manage to pass to allow the condemnation of "misrepresented data," then people can just be throwing that at anything that they didn't agree with.
Railey2

winber1 wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

For example by implementing laws that state that you aren't allowed to misrepresent political arguments on purpose to influence your readership in a certain way, etc.
Good luck on that. Whether or not you actually believe what you write, you are just as allowed to say to the public that you believe in what you write and they can't really do shit to you, as long as you are consistent with what you write. Especially in something so subjective, there is no golden rule for saying something is objectively misrepresenting political arguments. And if a law did manage to pass to allow the condemnation of "misrepresented data," then people can just be throwing that at anything that they didn't agree with.
the point is, it should not up to the people. It should be up to a third party organization that hopefully consists of unbiased, qualified people, who can tell the difference between fair coverage and blatant dishonesty.
There are many instances where news stations straight out lied about the facts. Take for example climate change, or creationism. As soon as you call yourself a news agency, or seek to fulfill the same function under a different name, you should under no circumstance be allowed to lie about clear facts.

Now this sounds pretty radical, so let's put it a different way:



There are two extremes.

1) People just say whatever they want. We have creationism being taught in public schools, news stations just report whatever they like, some of them still try being honest but most just pander to their audience and feed them with the information they want to hear. Nobody is being held to a standard, facts don't matter, it's just everyone living in his own echo chamber.

2) A government that has all the tools to censor opinions on national TV and elsewhere, if they deem them unfitting. Even though the tools were meant to enforce something that may look like this, it is easy to see how such power could be abused pretty quickly.



I believe that the the US is approaching the former in a frightening speed. People already talk about our days being a supposed "post-fact-era", and I believe there is a lot of truth in that, simply because nobody is holding the media to a standard.
Standards are important in journalism, they are immensely important, but currently there are no ramifications if you simply break every golden rule known to journalism. There needs to be an authority that can take the role of a governing instance, otherwise every country will slowly but surely approach the post-fact-era, just like the US is doing now.
And I bet you that this authority will not be the public. The public cares more about its own biases and indoctrinated beliefs than about facts and honest journalism, unless you make them care.

However, we can't have the second extreme either. Free speech is important, but so is the truth. There needs to be some sort of balance. I wouldn't know how exactly that balance can be achieved, I just know that it is very important to not arrive at either extreme.
B1rd
Funny how before you were talking about how the left doesn't want the government controlling things, and now you're already talking about censoring the media. And also claiming that your opinions on climate change and creationism/evolution are facts so opposing viewpoints should be censored.
Railey2
as i said, balance is key. The left is definitely in favour of more governmental control, but nobody wants a dystopian future where everything is censored and controlled.

And no, my views on creationism and climate change denial aren't opinions. It's a fact that climate change is real and that the world is older than 6k years. Those are facts. It's important to get this distinction right. Teachers that teach their students wrong things about the world shouldn't be teachers. News anchors that blatantly lie shouldn't report on the news.
Endaris

B1rd wrote:

Funny how before you were talking about how the left doesn't want the government controlling things, and now you're already talking about censoring the media. And also claiming that your opinions on climate change and creationism/evolution are facts so opposing viewpoints should be censored.
There are differences in journalism.
You can publish so called "comments" which are clearly marked as the opinion of one person.
Then you can publish a "report" which would strictly stick to information and potentially include some discussion of personal opinions which is clearly transmitted as such.
Calling a comment a report is bad journalism and should be avoided by any means. Many parts of media don't tell you anymore what kind of article you're reading so you might very well get only opinions from one side of the spectrum and no informational articles at all.
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