Jellyblob56 wrote:
Railey2 wrote:
neither of you know if the attack was religiously motivated.
Well, if it's a Muslim, it's a good chance it is. After all, they are told to do so by the fucking Quran. Radical or not, if you support the Quran you're a fucking monster. All of it is hate.
I have no problem with religion, really. Christianity has some fucked up shit too, all religions do. If you've noticed though, Christianity has been conforming to fit current times. Take a look at how most Christians treat LGBT. On the other side you have Islam. I wouldn't say the religion is changing as a whole like Christianity. After all, how can a religion based on killing, deception, etc be turned into something good? A religion of barbarians.
And this is blatantly obvious but of course that doesn't mean each individual is a monster themselves. I just don't see how you can say you're so devout to your religion and then turn around and not follow anything in your holy book. All they do is blindly pray.
I mean, I don't hate Muslims, I really don't. I just think a lot of them are uninformed.
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I've spent some time thinking about what exactly sets a bigoted mindset apart from a more normal, open-minded one. One central difference seems to be, that bigots are way more inclined to use "all-or-nothing"-thinking, they find it harder to form nuanced opinions.
As an example, you said:
"if you support the Quran you're a fucking monster. All of it is hate."A quick google search brought this up:
Quran letters: 320015 letters
Quran words: 77439 words
Quran verses: 6236 verses
Quran chapters: 114
Are you implying that there is not a single teaching to be found on these pages that is at least neutral? And the Quran isn't even the only book that is important for Islam, it's just the most important one.
Since most bigots seem to think in black and white, they often assume that if you are not black, you must automatically be white. If you felt the urge to call me an apologist just for what I've written above, maybe it's time to do some soul-searching? Anyway, to answer your questions..
The most important characteristic for modern, progressive Christians, is intellectual laziness concerning their own religion. The way Islam could become something good is by throwing the Quran out, just like most "progressive" Christians threw the bible out. Narrow the holy text down to a couple nice quotes and forget about the rest. By doing that, I'm sure you can cherry-pick a version of Islam into existence that is practically identically to modern Christianity. And in fact, we can see that happening in many parts of the world, where the youngest generation of Muslims is far more accepting and tolerant than the older generations.
Christianity did it, Islam can do it too. I'd rather have them both disappear forever, though.