abraker wrote:
Scarlet Evans wrote:
But in both cases approach time, the real time you have to react, is 450 ms, right? Isn't taking fading into account by player more like memorisation and predicting when you should click the circle, while the time you have to react is the same? Or I don't understand the subject properly? I mean, even if it fades faster, it appears in the same time, so you have the same time to react, right?
Nope.
In the example provided:so on ar10 with 450ms, it's faded in after 180ms
It's fully faded in at 180ms, leaving you with 270 ms reaction time requirement on HD assuming you suddenly see the object at 100%. Code uses somewhere between 40-60% iirc (am on mobile so will need to check, so will use 40% for this example). That means that the object is 40% faded in at 72ms giving us with a 378ms reaction time requirement. On no mod, the object is fully faded in at 450ms, meaning it's 40% faded in at 180ms, giving us a 270ms reaction time requirement.
40% fade-in @ NM: 270ms reaction time
40% fade-in @ HD: 378 ms reaction time
The sooner you see the circle the sooner you have to realize where it is located, the more time you have to react and move the cursor there. While both start fading in at the same time, HD fades in faster, allowing you to percieve the note sooner.
What do you mean by NoMod circles fading away? I never noticed anything like that :O
I just tried to compare some AR0 + HT plays, using CE's [5] frame-by-frame speed key, with HD and without it and I fail to notice anything other than nomod circle disappearing... after it's clicked or missed, which doesn't affect reaction at all (because that happened in past).
For me, from what I see, the circle and approach circle both appear exactly at the same time on screen and the circle persists, until it's missed or clicked. Nothing fades away. At least on CuttingEdge.
Both on NoMod and HD circle appears not immediately, but a little faded, however it's really a tiny amount of time and I don't see a time difference in how long it takes for NoMod and Hidden circles to reach their normal state and stay on screen for these XXX milliseconds.
In other words, you start seeing HD and NoMod circle at the same time. The difference is that you see NoMod all the time, while HD starts to fade away, but it doesn't really affect your reaction. You already registered that there is a circle, both with HD and without it, within the exact time brackets. Now, with HD, it's more like a memory that "there is a circle here" from now on, rather than an actual change in the reaction time needed, because the Approach Time is not affected by HD in any way.
In other words, there's "an animation time" and the difference is that with HD it still happens and takes the same time, but it's just faded away and invisible for us. Nevertheless, it was no less or more visible for us for a certain extend of time and it appeared at the same moment at which NoMod circle would appear, so there's no really any difference in reaction time needed.
(1) Circle appears on screen, at the same time on HD and NM;
(2) Now, you perceive the circle and your time to react starts here;
(3) If it's Hidden, then circle starts to fade-in after some timespan;
(4) You reach the Perfect Click moment and your Reaction Time ends here. After that you can still get 300,100 or 50, but you clicked too late.
(5) Time you had to react is the one that lapses between (2) and (4), which isn't really affected by HD.
This is how I see this. But of course, I can be terribly wrong, as with anything I ever say
So, I'd really love you to explain more what is this NoMod fading-in that you say about
