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709sec. - Draw the Line

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Ch1ka
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Ch1ka
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 20 октября 2011 г. at 18:57:51

Artist: 709sec.
Title: Draw the Line
Source: Touhou
Tags: yukari yakumo necrofantasia phantasm reiji-rj sound holic onosakihito
BPM: 185
Filesize: 11842kb
Play Time: 01:48
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (2 stars, 116 notes)
  2. Hard (4,91 stars, 268 notes)
  3. Normal (4,14 stars, 192 notes)
  4. Ono's Taiko Muzukashii (4,94 stars, 477 notes)
  5. Ono's Taiko Oni (4,94 stars, 684 notes)
  6. Reiji-RJ's Line (4,97 stars, 309 notes)
Download: 709sec. - Draw the Line
Download: 709sec. - Draw the Line (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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My first beatmap~
Please mod this!
Reiji-RJ's Line by Reiji-RJ
11.02.11. - New BG on Hard. Redownload, please
13.02.11 - Video was changed.Redowload, please
16.02.11 - Video was changed.Redowload, please
20.10.11 - New diff - Ono's Taiko Muzukashii by OnosakiHito. And BG was changed.
Last edited by Ch1ka , edited 191 times in total.
Fapfrit
804 posts
Joined December 2009
Fapfrit
Moding

General:
- Добавь хитсаунды
- Выпили у видео звук, оно будет весить минимум на треть меньше
- Storyboarding: используй Double Time

Timing:
- BPM: 184
- Offset: -10

Easy: Неиграбельно
- Уменьши HP Drain (4/11), Approach (5/11), Overall (4/11)
- Уменьши Audio (9 или 8/11). Максимум тут не нужен
- Делать изи надо максимум на 1/4. Поставь размерную шкалу на 1/3
- Весь бит у тебя сбитый. Спейсинг у тебя корявый. Ох ши, сколько щас будет писанины D:
00:02:670 - поставь на 00:02:914
00:05:278 - поставь на 00:05:523
00:07:887 - поставь на 00:08:132
00:10:455 - поставь на 00:10:632 (эти 4 кружка равномерно распредели по сетке, не стоит ставить их на одном месте)
00:13:145 - заколебало меня писать "поставь на", буду писать "ритм"
00:14:287 - ритм
00:15:061 - ритм, поставь круг ближе к #2 (спейсинг)
00:15:713 - ритм
00:16:814 - ритм
00:17:629 - ритм
00:18:363 - ритм
00:19:422 - ритм
00;20:278 - ритм
00:20:768 - ритм
00:22:072 - ритм
00:22:877 - ритм
00:23:254 - ритм
00:23:458 - ритм
00:26:107 - ритм
00:33:893 - ритм
00:34:422 - ритм
00:35:197 - ритм
00:35:686 - ритм
00:36:542 - ритм
Понимаешь, дальше смысла писать нет - везде сбитый ритм. Не расстраивайся, не у всех получается с первого раза. Постарайся все свои круги, спинеры и слайдеры поставить в ритм

Normal: Неиграбельно
- Вижу что недоделано
- Это слишком сложно для нормала, переименуй в хард, либо уменьшай апрочу и овералл

Удачи в маппинге, и даю тебе звёздочку для мотивации ^.^
Last edited by Fapfrit , edited 2 times in total.
Reiji-RJ
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Joined April 2010
Reiji-RJ
Работай над картой
Не ленись!1
ну и, конечно, звезда~
DeCUT
4 posts
Joined September 2010
DeCUT
Доооо!!! Доделывай)) Звёздочка тебе)))
sveta-insane
114 posts
Joined March 2010
sveta-insane
доделывать стоит :3


ЗВЕЗДА
Kotone
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Joined August 2008
Kotone
:shock:
Ch1ka
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Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
Ch1ka
Hard was added
Last edited by Ch1ka , edited 1 time in total.
Kotone
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Joined August 2008
Kotone
Hey,can you Full Submission ? I can't see the mp3 in file.
Ch1ka
340 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
Ch1ka

karenying wrote:

Hey,can you Full Submission ? I can't see the mp3 in file.
Done :3
Reiji-RJ
1,402 posts
Joined April 2010
Reiji-RJ
Here is my diff~

Download: Sound Holic feat. 709sec. - Draw the Line (Ch1ka) [Reiji-RJ's Line].osu
IceBeam
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Joined December 2009
IceBeam
[Tags]
Touhou, Sound Holic, Draw the Line, Reimu, Yukari

Убирай запятые,всё через пробел.
Первые три тоже убирай,первое - в Source уже,остальное в названии.
Добавь никнейм автора гостевой сложности.

Видеофайл > 10 мб.
Хотя в общем карта весит ~15, что позволительно по критерию ракинга,но придраться могут,это я просто предупредил.
Качество MP3 файла - 320 kbps.
Должно быть между 128~256.
Все бэкграунды разного размера.
Если не будешь добавлять сториборд,то сделай все одинаковыми - 1024 х 768.
Удали из папки файл Sound Holic - Draw the Line (Ch1ka).osb

Тайминг на сложности [Reiji-RJ's Line] вообще другой,везде должен быть одинаковый.
Добавь Preview Point.
Выбери место,откуда должна начинаться песня в меню выбора,и кликни Timing --> Set Current Position as Preview Point.

Насчёт самой карты - тайминг неверный.
У тебя почти все биты стоят на синих тиках(должно начинатся с белого длинного) - неправильный оффсет(и вообще оффсет - это первый бит,я его слышу где-то в районе ~00:02:870).
Да и на счёт BPM не уверен.
Мой тебе совет - попроси кого-нибудь,кто хорош в тайминге,например,дождись в онлайне Card N'FoRcE,и напиши ему в пмку,он добрый,должен помочь.
Ну а потом уже со спокойной душой мапай - ошибок не так уж много,проси больше моддинга.

Главное исправь основное,что я описал,это то,к чему будут в первую очередь придираться баты/маты.
С остальным помогут обычные моддеры.

И ещё,я знаю,что никто это не читает,но правда искренне советую внимательно изучить этот тред.

Вообщем,удачи тебе.
Card N'FoRcE
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Card N'FoRcE
Timing help, as you requested :D

BPM: 185,00
Offset: 2888

Let me know when you'll have fixed everything (because resnapping is not enough in this case) and i'll do a complete modding.
Card N'FoRcE
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Card N'FoRcE
Ok, full modding as requested.

- General: (Considerations and things you need to check/fix for the whole map)
  • First custom colour (Black) is hard to see.
    You may set a preview time for the map, if you forgot to.
- Easy:
  • .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
    Sliders are really fast while the beats have a slow pace, it's unexpected.
    .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    00:13:266 (1,2) - 00:15:860 (1,2) - 00:18:455 (1,2) - and any other similiar pattern - this kind of 7/2 delay is wierd for Easy maps because it's not so intuitive to play. Either use a slider or create something else in-between so that the player is able to know without having to wait believing it's a 4/1.
    00:16:996 (2) - stack correctly, but as i said above, i sugges a slider here too.
    00:22:996 (3,4) - stack correctly
    00:34:023 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - try to organize this better, it works but it's not so good looking
    00:39:212 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^ kinda same thing, exept that 00:39:212 (2,3,4) doesn't work at all.
    .Errors/Mistakes: (Bad gameplay issues or badly applied changes)
    00:23:563 (1) - make this end at 00:24:942
    00:25:915 (1) - make this end at 00:27:536
    00:39:212 (2) - new combo; 00:38:887 (1) - remove new combo
    00:45:698 (1,2,1,2) - totally unintuitive
I'm stopping about Easy, for the moment. The rhythm is ok (except for some broken spinners), but you totally need to reorganize you way to make patterns. These kind of spacing changes, shapes and "tricks" would quite work on a Hard, when more experienced players can tell the difference, but for a Easy you need more straightforward patterns.

- Normal:
  • .Errors/Mistakes: (Bad gameplay issues or badly applied changes)
    00:31:030 (8) - move 1/4 after
    There are unsnapped beats, as AImod says.
I don't really have much to say here, it's almost the same problem as Easy. There's no consistency and the spacing keeps being uncomfortable and ugly to see even if i can say i can "play" it.

- Hard:
  • .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
    Please do not make a whole chorus full of claps.
    .Errors/Mistakes: (Bad gameplay issues or badly applied changes)
    00:33:698 (9,1) - 00:52:509 (2,3,4,5) - oh no please. Do not make these kind of traps when only seconds before the same kind of patterns were regular.
    01:40:996 (1,2,3,4) - what does this follow?
"There's no consistency and the spacing keeps being uncomfortable and ugly to see even if i can say i can "play" it."

- Reiji-RJ's Line:
  • .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    00:53:320 (1) - extend up to 00:54:779
    01:26:725 (1) - make it end at 01:27:860 or 01:29:158
    .Errors/Mistakes: (Bad gameplay issues or badly applied changes)
    00:39:698 (2,3) - you have a nice pattern right after this, but that "spacing" works only thanks to the high AR. Please try doing something about it D:
    01:21:860 (4,5) - do i really need to tell you? :<
Ch1ka, this is how a "polished" spacing looks. Try making shapes, patterns, positioning using more criterion and order, right now your maps appear random to me, as a player and not a modder.


There's not much to say.
tl;dr version of everything: the rhythm works, the beat placement in the grid doesn't because it's not polished at all. That's what you need to work on. Try looking for something you like in other maps and try to implement them here first, that's usually one of the fastest way to learn.
Once this map is more polished it will be ok.
Sandpig
847 posts
Joined September 2010
Sandpig
hi :D

(>'(oo)')> my mod <('(oo)'<)


Hard

00:13:266(1,2,3,4) - the form of (1,2) and (3,4) are same but there is a longer halt between (1,2). move 2 farther away from 1 and 3
00:35:158(4,5,6,7) - this kind of arrangement is terrible to me...you'd better seperate 5 and 7, and increase the distance between 5 and 6
00:37:752(4,5,6,7) - ^
00:39:698(2,3) - the distance between them should be longer than that between (1,2). or you can also stack them.(or 3 new combo but I'd rather suggest you do as former)
00:50:077(2,3) - ^
01:23:644(1,2) - stack them?
01:36:942(1,2) - spacing
01:39:536(1,2) - ^
01:40:680(5,1) - spacing


Reiji-RJ's Line

00:30:293(5,6) - spacing
00:34:833(1,2,3) - ^
00:39:536(1,2) - stack them
00:52:509(4,5,6,7) - put them((4,5) & (6,7)) farther apart
01:16:185(1,2,3) - spacing


Normal

too many spacing problem I don't even know how to mod it.... check AIMod

I suggest you resnap all notes and make a better arrangment.It's a Normal diff but now seems hard to read.


Easy

00:13:266(1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - they are too close to each other
01:13:266(1,2,3) - ^
01:21:374(1,2,3,4) - spacing
01:27:212 to 01:36:293 - I suggest you map this part. It's really a pity that player waits 10 sec just for 4 spinners


that's all 8-)
Ch1ka
340 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
Ch1ka
Thank you Famfrit, IceBeam,Card N'FoRcE ,shabao_pig for mods :3

Thank you Reiji-RJ for Reiji-RJ's Line and your support :3
Joon
1,359 posts
Joined June 2009
Joon
hi

my modding

[Easy]
00:13:266 (1) - End Notes remove clap
00:15:860 (1) - ^
00:40:833 (5) - change clap
00:41:482 (7) - ^
00:42:617 (3,4) - remove clap
00:51:212 (3) - change clap
00:51:860 (5) - ^
01:05:806 (1) - chagne finish
01:06:293 (2) - remove clap
01:07:752 (4) - ^
01:08:887 (2) - ^
01:10:347 (4) - ^
01:11:482 (2) - ^
01:12:942 (4) - ^
01:28:833 (4,5) - ^

[Normal]
00:02:887 (1) - change finish
00:08:077 (1) - ^
00:22:996 (1,2) - remove clap
00:38:401 (6) - End Notes remove clap
00:50:887 (3) - remove clap
00:51:536 (5) - ^
01:25:915 (1,1) - ^

[Hard]
00:34:023 (1) - remove clap

[Reiji-RJ's Line]
00:37:590 (4) - End Notes remove clap
00:37:915 (5) - 2 note remove clap
00:44:401 (1) - Start Notes add finish


GL :)
Ch1ka
340 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
Ch1ka
hi

my modding

[Easy]
00:13:266 (1) - End Notes remove clap
00:15:860 (1) - ^
00:40:833 (5) - change clap
00:41:482 (7) - ^
00:42:617 (3,4) - remove clap
00:51:212 (3) - change clap
00:51:860 (5) - ^
01:05:806 (1) - chagne finish
01:06:293 (2) - remove clap
01:07:752 (4) - ^
01:08:887 (2) - ^
01:10:347 (4) - ^
01:11:482 (2) - ^
01:12:942 (4) - ^
01:28:833 (4,5) - ^

[Normal]
00:02:887 (1) - change finish
00:08:077 (1) - ^
00:22:996 (1,2) - remove clap
00:38:401 (6) - End Notes remove clap
00:50:887 (3) - remove clap
00:51:536 (5) - ^
01:25:915 (1,1) - ^

[Hard]
00:34:023 (1) - remove clap

[Reiji-RJ's Line]
00:37:590 (4) - End Notes remove clap
00:37:915 (5) - 2 note remove clap
00:44:401 (1) - Start Notes add finish


GL :)
Done :3 Thank you!
wmfchris
osu! Alumni
5,072 posts
Joined March 2008
wmfchris
[RJ's line] black combo color under dark BG is not so clear...
0:23:644 (5) right 1 grid
0:39:698 (2) stack on ending of (1)
1:16:347 (2,3) spacing

[Hard]
0:09;050 (4) down 1 grid
0:21:860 (1,2,3) uneven spacing
0:43~0:55 the 1/2 spacing is note consistant. fix them.
1:11:320 (3) up 1 grid
1/2 spacing varies too much. May resnap them?
Ch1ka
340 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
Ch1ka
Done :3 Thank you for mod!
Kotone
2,402 posts
Joined August 2008
Kotone
Hello :D

Easy
Bad spacing.Check please.
You must unify spacing,maybe follow grid snap to re-place the notes
00:36:617(3,4) - separate them.Hard for easy diff
00:43:590(5,6) - maybe use silder substitute better
00:45:698(1) - big spacing
00:53:158(3,4) - maybe use silder substitute better

Normal
Bad spacing too.
Do same thing like Easy
00:54:536 - don't use timing section.Delete it

Hard
better then Easy & Normal.
But spacing not good too.
I suggest you unify spacing at this diff too
00:12:942(6) - spacing
00:13:590(x) - add a circle,maybe hidden with (2)
00:29:158(2) - hidden with (3)
00:31:428(1) - spacing
00:36:131(8) - little spacing
00:43:752(6) - little spacing & I hate this finish , noise

Reiji-RJ's Line
too many clap,I think
00:18:455(1) - I suggest you use normal hitsound of this notes,and no clap
00:20:725(x) - add a circle
00:25:023 - Delete two break time after spinner
01:08:077(7) - add clap no whistle
01:10:671(7) - ^
01:15:212(1) - unrankble spinner
01:18:293(10) - clap
01:18:455(11) - finish
01:21:050(9) - ^
Faust
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2009
Faust
Why do people insist on using publishers as Artist. The artist for this song is 709sec. Take note he has a "." after the 'sec'.

SOUND HOLIC did no part whatsoever in the arrangement of this song. They merely published the album.
Please make the necessary changes and do a full-submission for them to take effect.

The album: http://vgmdb.net/album/15524

Info in SOUND HOLIC: http://vgmdb.net/org/167
kino77
909 posts
Joined March 2009
kino77
Hi~

[Easy]
Keep the spacing unified in whole song?That's better in easy.
00:48:779 (4,1,2) - Spacing?
01:06:293 (2,3,4) - ^
01:08:887 (2,3,4) - ^
01:11:482 (2,3,4) - ^
01:30:617 (8) - Move it away from 7?

[Normal]
Your spacing is so jump...that's hard to read...
00:14:077 (3,4,5) - 1 grid down?
00:19:590 (3,4) - Spacing?
00:29:644 (4,5,6,7) - ^
I won't talk about spacing from here,please try AIMod.

[Hard]
AIMod should go first.
00:58:509 - Fill the blank?
01:05:806 (1) ~ 01:25:104 (3) - Change some circle into slider?Kinda boring...
01:43:915 (1) - Start here 01:43:428 or replace by note?

[Insane]
00:24:942 - Fill the blank?
00:27:536 - ^
00:34:996 (2,3) - This jump is too much,move them closer?
01:36:942 (1) - Too many spin is really boring in insane,at least fill the blank between them?

STAR~!GO ON~!
Ch1ka
340 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
Ch1ka
All done :3 Thank you!
Reiji-RJ
1,402 posts
Joined April 2010
Reiji-RJ
[Easy]

00:15:860 (1) - слайдер чуть кривоват
00:40:509 (6) - спейсинг, не забудь подправить следующие за ним ноты :3
00:44:401 (1) - спейсинг, не отключай дистанс снап вообще
01:14:401 (2) - на одну клетку вправо
01:25:915 (1, 2, 3) - может расположишь посередине?

[Normal]

:!: не юзай 0,5х
00:10:671 (1) - соедини с 3
01:47:806 (5) - убери, продли слайдер.

Нормал слишком сложный, тянет на хард, сделай легче его :<

[Hard]

00:13:266 - воау, дистанс снап 1,5, а дальше 0,8 и 1,0 заюзан. Я думаю, лучше исправить. Ты можешь разбавить хард джампами, но не везде же ;D
01:06:131 - добавь ноту?
некоторые тайминг секции (зеленые линии) сдвинулись от ритма, поправь
:!: проблемы со спейсингом, подправь~

алсо, думаю, лучше будет расположить все ноты красивше, попробуй, ибо на некоторых сложностях из-за этого можно запутаться.

[Reiji-RJ's Line]
подправлю - скину сюда :3
Kyonko Hizara
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Joined August 2010
Kyonko Hizara
:)
Reiji-RJ
1,402 posts
Joined April 2010
Reiji-RJ
Fixed~

Download: 709sec. - Draw the Line (Ch1ka) [Reiji-RJ's Line].osu
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