sent out the first lists (3 lol). Remaining lists should be sent out in the next days, depending on processing progress. Majority is wrapped now though.
Updated the wiki accordingly
Updated the wiki accordingly
Gummy wrote:
Loctav wrote:
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Welcome to the osu! World Cup 2016 Discussion Thread.
Here you can discuss everything related to the biggest worldwide osu! tournament.
Who designed the banner?
the time span between drawings and registration end is also an entire week longer than last year. don't grow impatient.a loli wrote:
Tournament management is running pretty slowly this year. Hopefully teams are going to be given a couple days at least to sort out their team.
(i was gonna post this a week ago but forgot.)Loctav wrote:
Fair question, I would have problems figuring out a proper multiplier for it (given we use scorev2). Would it be a positive one? (it obviously makes things harder) or a negative one? (since it makes you less likely to fail.. ok weak argument)
I am not an EZ player or have much insight in this aspect, so if you have suggestions in how to design it, feel free to propose something!
(without a multiplier, it would sort of lose its tactical purpose, wouldn't it? dunno...)
I like the idea to weighten the different score portions differently when EZ is activated. Maybe this is even a viable idea for other modes (maybe?!). However, I have to agree with you that it is a little late to implement this and test this properly just in time, but given this smart idea, I will definitely think about adding EZ as possible choice for the next year.-GN wrote:
(i was gonna post this a week ago but forgot.)Loctav wrote:
Fair question, I would have problems figuring out a proper multiplier for it (given we use scorev2). Would it be a positive one? (it obviously makes things harder) or a negative one? (since it makes you less likely to fail.. ok weak argument)
I am not an EZ player or have much insight in this aspect, so if you have suggestions in how to design it, feel free to propose something!
(without a multiplier, it would sort of lose its tactical purpose, wouldn't it? dunno...)
It's a good question, actually. I would ideally prefer some kind of dynamic score multiplier(and i really think it should be made for every mod if scoreV2 becomes the official system), judging how difficult a map is to read/understand, but that's a bit too ambitious.
However, you should know that while EZ makes maps very hard to understand for the uninitiated, it also reduces the physical(aim/speed-wise) difficulty by a lot, and those that practice it can in most cases do better on maps with EZ on than they could without, given that they've practiced them. So having it give a positive score multiplier(or no penalty at all) would give those people a great advantage over others who don't play it on the regular, and i don't think that's the kind of skill that should be rewarded in a tournament like this.
I had trouble coming up with a reasonable multiplier for it myself, though. Using the old 0.5x multiplier wouldn't make it very useful for scoreV2 tournaments, i think. So i propose something like this:
Nomod gives 700 000 for combo + 300 000 for accuracy for a max score of 1 000 000.
EZ would give 550 000 for combo + 150 000 for accuracy for a max score of 700 000.
I estimate a 95% FC to be ~850k for nomod and ~625k for EZ with the current scoreV2 accuracy dropoff rate.
Obviously the accuracy part is lowered because of the low OD in comparison, but only reduced it to half the value, as to not devalue scores with high accuracies. Accuracy on EZ is more about the big mistakes you do rather than how well you follow the music, but it can still be hard to get above 99% on very demanding maps - and i think that's where picking EZ would be most helpful. In addition, picking EZ makes it easier to spam through harder parts of a map at the expense of accuracy, so i wanted to still keep it a little rewarding.
For the combo part - EZ consistency is really, REALLY hard to attain. Using it seriously in a tournament can be very risky, so i didn't drop it that much. For a tournament based score system, i think it makes sense. Compared to the accuracy part, i think most of the score should come from your combo when using EZ.
...so that's my proposal. Everyone loves EZ plays, so giving it a chance to be used on freemod picks might be good for entertainment's sake, at least, and with this, it'd retain some tactical value as well. It might be a little late to try to implement right before OWC, and it's not that important for most players, but if it's going to be a possibility, i'd want to see it executed something like this.
You should really consider doing this with other modes at least, since they all use a ton of unranked maps. I'd really appreciate it if you could retcon past world cups too, since otherwise maps such as https://osu.ppy.sh/b/885078&m=3 and https://osu.ppy.sh/b/697682&m=3 will never have a scoreboardfartownik wrote:
with the Loved section added I believe the maps chosen could also automatically gain that status after being picked for OWC. This could sort out some issues with maps being reused over and over plus it would give mappickers a lot more space to work with.
I sense OWC 2014 Deja vuFrc wrote:
Welcome to the worst OWC this far! I'm so hyped for this!
2014 at least had decent teams LULAthrun wrote:
I sense OWC 2014 Deja vuFrc wrote:
Welcome to the worst OWC this far! I'm so hyped for this!
Wait for it 8)a loli wrote:
No drama or complaints yet, actual constructive discussion in the tournament thread, as well as responsive management.
I think this is the best one so far yet.
Wait wait this is sarcasm righta loli wrote:
No drama or complaints yet, actual constructive discussion in the tournament thread, as well as responsive management.
I think this is the best one so far yet.
Ntiger wrote:
yes OWC is so bad because Japan isn't playing!!
wait they only got to Group Stage last year because Japanese players didn't want to play then too...
you must be following a different tournament than I do.Frc wrote:
Ntiger wrote:
yes OWC is so bad because Japan isn't playing!!
wait they only got to Group Stage last year because Japanese players didn't want to play then too...
Nice meme saying OWC is bad just because of Japan.
I mean it's pretty much already known lots of teams don't get competitive players because they don't even care about OWC at this point with the mess of other years.
You must not have asked a lot of players then lol, pretty much everyone in Spain was like thatLoctav wrote:
you must be following a different tournament than I do.
Spain has a lot of players?Frc wrote:
You must not have asked a lot of players then lol, pretty much everyone in Spain was like thatLoctav wrote:
you must be following a different tournament than I do.
Loctav wrote:
We don't need 500 people suggesting THE BIG BLACK (again)
a loli wrote:
Spain is pretty low rank without waaiiru who didn't sign up this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't qualify in the 32 spots.
The only issue I see with this is as soon as you introduce more wishy-washy rules like this you end up with situations where one side begrudgingly accepts a reschedule with uncertainty about whether everyone can make it (since it's at a time other than the scheduled one) but if they were to decline they would look like bad sports. Fast forward a few days, some people can't make it like they thought they could, there are arguments over who should get the free win, it all blows up because there are thousands of spectators and reddit is always hungry to turn anything into a major drama.Kert wrote:
To the tournament staff:
Please, keep in mind that some teams don't have a single timezone for all of its players. This is very important.
And one more thing:
> Rescheduling after the release of the Schedule on the wiki can not be done in any circumstance.
I would like to suggest one possible exception to this rule. All conditions should be met.
Allow the rescheduling to take place if captains of both teams agree and the new time for the match is still within the same weekend. In double elimination stages the new time must not overlap / influence the time of the possible further matches.
The team availability should have a higher priority than the availability of people who livestream the matches.
Thank you.