This isn't inherently a problem. The ones that get ranked maps more easily (aka famous mappers or nominators) have earned their way into gaining the trust of other nominators, and thus it is way easier for them, represents a less dense workload for the nominators. And even they can get a nomination in exchange. The problem itself is at both sides fault:Estaryo wrote:
If you would look at the maps of everyone it may would be better, but to me it seems like the nominator ignore every map thats not of famous mappers and nominators themselves.
- The newcomers for not putting enough effort before giving up and instead blaming it on the system
- The experienced ones for ignoring such thing ^
In the end, you can't really blame the nominators. Believe it or not, our workload is substantially big, given how small our team is. Some people just happen to see it from the outside and don't think we have a real life, or already pending requests from waaaay before.
My point of view on this matter is still the same as before: as a newbie/amateur mapper, put more effort, socialize and work your way up. That is an example. Observe other modders, mod a lot and improve over time. Arm yourself with tons of patience.
However, this time I guess I am willing to take some time, and start trying to help people do this.
My only obstacles for this matter are time, and the willingness of people to accept that their creations might not be as ready as they thought they were. Aka learning to take criticism.
i know maps where the mapper spend much time for making a good map or at least they try to do it. they start modding spend all their freetime for their map and noone of you even want to look at it.I would like not to include personal attacks on this thread, honestly. So I'll just not respond to that.
then on the other hand, there are mappers that make halfassed maps (*sry but it pisses me off), spending some stars receiving 1-2 mods where they ignore nearly everything and its ranked immediately... why? just because the mapper is a nominator.
and yes you know which map i mean, its just ranked.
Half-assed maps normally don't get through qualified if the community cares enough. So, if you feel a map is half-assed, you should rather mod it and report it instead of complaining right after it is ranked. Another one of our problems is the "let's complain but do nothing about it" culture we have somehow developed. The other modes are not even close to the lazy nature we've gained.
all that is demotivating people, or at least me. cause I know as long as i'm not famous or have connections, I can do whatever I want noone will ever notice.The thing is the following: every "famous" person has earned said title out of hard work and patience. No one becomes famous "because yes". This is a common excuse many people use just to blame others, and I'm already trying to remove that silly idea from everyone's minds. But it is so deep in people's minds that said job is certainly not easy to do.
and thats why modding in total, in the current state how it is makes definitly no sense.(exept learning a bit due to seeing many maps/or for the known mappers to incrase each others maprating)
just my opinion, i may be wrong.
but thats what i see as mediumplayer ranked about 1k.
always if i feel like yeah make a map try to rank it start modding again, a short time later i realize... why? noone will care as long as they get their own maps ranked.
*i really get the feeling that its like that
i know i shouldnt give up cause nothing will change then, but well i just make my own maps for me and my friends and as long as i see everyone likes it im happy.
i don't know how that mentioring system should work. i would like to hear more about it, and test it for sureBoth are the problem. For me, it is roughly a 60-40. I do agree the way we work is not the most optimal one, but nothing has been suggested so far. Staff memebrs are already working on something and moddingv2 should somewhat solve these problems.
but i dont think that the quality of these mappers is the problem. for me it is the way how the BN/Nominators work.
In regards to the mappers, I believe they should have some more conciousness on the situation. It's been already thouroughly explained but it seems nothing is getting resolved when it comes to such attitudes.
Thanks for posting.