ErufenRito wrote:

Como pudieron mapear con el timing tan mal?

ErufenRito wrote:

"Re-DL: New MP3 and SB Added 13/06/10"

Umm interesante... considerando que este map apenas existio en el mes de julio hohoho

Por cierto, tengo el presentimiento de que lo que hiciste fue usar el mismo mp3, pero subirlo a 320 kbps... pues... eso no funciona >_>
Te recomiendo que uses este mp3 de este link: http://www.mediafire.com/?dwj4wygynylojnt

FPRC16 wrote:

Eh... El mp3 que has pasado no me sirve porque lo que yo e echo es un NNC (Nico Nico Chorus) y el que me has pasado es normal .-.

Inozuma wrote:

[Kotomin-sane]
Don't know why so much whistles, but why not use the custom hitsounds? It sounds better.
00:29:656 (10) - Why soft?
01:28:019 (5,6) - Spacing.
02:58:565 - Add a note.

Star~

ErufenRito wrote:

Kotomi-sane
04:42:029 (3) - Los sliders donde no se puede ver claramente hacia que direccion va no son rankables.

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Going for approved

vivere wrote:

:D nice map

PD: cuando tenga tiempito le hago mod besos <3

• Same Background as this, did you know?
  The BGs you used for the SB are 1024*768 but you shouldn't go over 800*600 ç_ç (also, use jpgs if possible)
  Also, you should edit the scale value manually: 0.625 (for 1024*768 Backgrounds) or 0.8 (for 800*600 backgrounds). Open the .osb file and search for lines like " S,0,35837,,0.6211199" for the BG sprites and fix the last value like i said before.

• .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
  01:47:110 (4,5,6) - really hard to read, because of the approach circles getting crowded.
  02:22:928 (6,7) - move both a bit to the right.
  03:12:383 - add a beat here?
  03:15:110 (1) - move to the centre of the playfield?

• .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
  05:28:207 (1) - inb4 someone says to remake the whole timing to inherit this. I'd just use a 0.25 section manually (tuning down the volume a lot because of slideticks), but i dunno how will people react to this:
  

  328207,-400,4,1,1,40,0,0

  instead of
  

  328207,1454.54545454545,4,1,1,40,1,0

  .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
  00:42:746 (2,3) - easily mistaken for a 1/2 spacing.

• .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
  .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
  00:17:655 (5,1,1) - make these 1,2,3 instead; 00:18:383 (2) - new combo.
  01:29:292 (10) - move one square to the left
  04:05:837 (4) - ^

abalee wrote:

collab:
00:42:565 (1,2) - should it placed horizontally? Fixed
00:43:474 (4,5) - Spacing? Fixed
00:53:292 (1) - silence the spinner end sounds better. Fixed
01:34:565 (1) - add a note? Fixed
05:28:207 (1) - I guess APP maps should follow the ranking criteria too. Fixed @_@

abalee wrote:

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I can't pick up all the problems at one time!!!! <--- Sorry D:!

00:45:837 (7,8) - Spacing?
05:28:201 (1) - silence the end?
05:32:660 (1) - isn't snapped.

1. I was disappointed at the of hitsound action.... Try adding some.
2. 00:46:201 (You) (8,9) - place the (9) farther away
3. 03:01:837 (Vicho-kun) (4,5) - father away from the end of the other slider
4. 04:00:565 (animask)- hahaha, i still hate the double time, just a comment, doesn't matter
5. 05:11:656 (H-boy) - I don't favor the clutter of notes here

chamelepeace710 wrote:

[Collab]

1. I was disappointed at the of hitsound action.... Try adding some.
2. 00:46:201 (You) (8,9) - place the (9) farther away Fixed
3. 03:01:837 (Vicho-kun) (4,5) - father away from the end of the other slider Eh...The minute 03:01:837 beuchi-chan that this mapping ... But, it is understood
4. 04:00:565 (animask)- hahaha, i still hate the double time, just a comment, doesn't matter :/
5. 05:11:656 (H-boy) - I don't favor the clutter of notes here

iMercurial wrote:

Dios, Rankeen esto.

[Collab]

• 
  So many notes that isn't snap o.o resnap all notes please
  APP rate +1
  00:47:474 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - do something else? I'm so boring
  03:08:746 (x) - add note here?
  03:21:474 (1,2,3,4) - 2 grid up & let it symmetric
  03:51:474 (7) - new combo
  03:57:292 (7) - ^
  05:28:201 (5) - ^

0OoMickeyoO0 wrote:

pick up from #modreqs

[Collab]

• 
  So many notes that isn't snap o.o resnap all notes please
  APP rate +1
  00:47:474 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - do something else? I'm so boring ~
  03:08:746 (x) - add note here? Nou :T
  03:21:474 (1,2,3,4) - 2 grid up & let it symmetric Nop
  03:51:474 (7) - new combo Fixed
  03:57:292 (7) - ^ Fixed
  05:28:201 (5) - ^ Fixed

Banana wrote:

hi~ Banana here, from my queue

collab

00:18:383 - try half beat?
00:30:746 (5) - use half beat slider, there are too much small breaks Nop
00:32:746 (1) - emm, confusing spacing Fixed
01:10:565 - add note Fixed
01:14:565 - add note? Fixed
02:00:201 (1) - repeat too much, seems not very good T:
02:41:110 - add note
02:54:565 - add note?
02:58:201 - add a half beat slider Nop
03:59:292 - i didn't see the "speed up" waring at the frist time, make it just above the notes? Sorry, but... I see it good. D:
05:28:201 - i just wonder why not use a spin

1. Tienes 2 BPM's en la diff ''Collab''. 1 en 00:09:636 y otro en 00:09:656. Elimina el Primero. El del 00:09:636 xD
2. Tienes 4 BPM's en la diff ''Taiko'' LOLWTF Ademas el offset es 9656 no 9636. Elimina 3 y cambia 1
3. En las 2 Diff tienes ''AudioLeadIn: 1004'' Cambialo a 1000. [En el Notepad de los .osu - Obviously]

1. Not a ''Wonderful'' , ''Awesome'' , ''Marvelous'' Collab. Many Different Types of mapping. In the general are Great.

DaxMasterix wrote:

General:

1. Tienes 2 BPM's en la diff ''Collab''. 1 en 00:09:636 y otro en 00:09:656. Elimina el Primero. El del 00:09:636 xD
2. Tienes 4 BPM's en la diff ''Taiko'' LOLWTF Ademas el offset es 9656 no 9636. Elimina 3 y cambia 1
3. En las 2 Diff tienes ''AudioLeadIn: 1004'' Cambialo a 1000. [En el Notepad de los .osu - Obviously]

Taiko Collab
Hay un Objeto snapped.
Hace falta un SB Para Esta diff. TOUCHE! solo cambia eso de Various Mappers a los Nombres de los Mappers. SOLO ESE ESPACIO. y hazlo SB. Asi te evitaras crear 4 BG's.

Collab

Astom:
00:11:474 (x) - Add a Note.
00:12:201 (x) - ^ Tip
00:29:531 (TP) - No se si sera de tu parte del collab o el De Fenya. Pero 0% Es unRankeable.

Fenya:
00:30:019 (1,2,3,4,5) - Asimetrico. Mueve el (3) un grid hacia la Izquierda. [x:216|y:56 Grid lvl: 3] El (4) un grid hacia la Izquierda. [x:264|y:120 Grid lvl: 3] El (5) un grid hacia la Izquierda. [x:312|y:56 Grid lvl: 3]. O si quieres cambiale la forma.
00:33:656 (5,6) - Muevelos 1 Grid a la Izquierda.
00:34:565 (9,10) - ^
00:43:656 - Mueve el Segundo Slider Point 1 grid hacia abajo.
00:46:928 - Puedes moverlo 1 Grid arriba o Moverlo a [x:376|y:328 Grid lvl: 3] Para que no sea ''Tan recto''
00:49:656 (1,2,3) - Muevelos 1 Grid a La Izquieda.

Nerv_Mario:
01:29:292 (7,8) - Muevelos 1 Grid a la Derecha.
01:30:746 - Este slider se veria mejor Aqui.

Ignacio:
01:45:474 (1,2,3,4,1) - Ugly. Intenta Esto . Si te afecta el Orden de Tu Distance Snap mueve el Circle del 01:46:928 hacia [x:448|y:288 Grid lvl: 3]

Myon-Nya:
02:08:928 - Ugly Slider. Fix this
02:10:019 - Lo mismo.
02:12:928 - ^ ... Argh Olvidalo. Todos los slider Tienen Sliders points Innecesarios. Unmodeable For me.
Srry About that :/

Vicho-Kun:
02:54:746 . Mueve este Slider a [x:128|y:328 Grid lvl: 3]

Beuchi-chan: Yay BAT
03:02:746 (x) - Oh Dear... No se si no esta completado o simplemente quisiste ponerle un Break. De todas formas deberias Mapear esa parte.
03:10:019 - Pon esta nota En el mismo lugar de 03:08:383 (4)
03:10:383 - Puedes hacer este Slider mas Lindo c:
03:11:110 (2,3,4,5) - Para que siga El Pattern Subelo 2 Grids.
03:12:383 (6,7) - Si cambiaste el slider del 03:10:383 Ya sabes que hacer.
03:20:019 (x) Add a Note. En el centro Obviously.

Kotomi-chan:
03:49:837 - Mueve el 2do Slider Point a [x:112|y:120 Grid lvl: 3]
03:50:746 - Mueve esta nota a [x:200|y:64 Grid lvl: 3]
03:51:110 - ^ a [x:288|y:72 Grid lvl: 3]
03:51:474 - Mueve este Slider a [x:376|y:80 Grid lvl: 3]

Animask:
... Solo le pusiste 2,00 De SV Para que tu parte sea la mas Dificil. Unmodeable For me.
TIP: Remap.

Lissette: Yay MAT
04:31:474 - Fix This Slider. TIP = [Slider Points = 1)x:192|y:72 / 2)x:256|y:16 / 3)x:320|y:72 Grid lvl: 3]
04:32:201 - If you Fix the Slider of ''04:31:474'' You know you do.
04:32:928 - ^

TTTTTTTTTTTT: sadsafw XD
05:18:746 / 05:19:474 / 05:20:201 / 05:21:292 / 05:22:383 / 05:23:110 / 05:24:201 - I hate this Type of Sliders.. ._.
05:25:292 - Move this note to [x:160|y:160 Grid lvl: 3]
05:27:292 - Move 1 Grid to the left
05:28:201 - Erase THis Slider and put a Spinner. & Erase the spinner of ''05:32:565''. The spiner has to last until to 05:35:837.

Opinion:

1. Not a ''Wonderful'' , ''Awesome'' , ''Marvelous'' Collab. Many Different Types of mapping. In the general are Great.

DaxMasterix wrote:

General:

1. Tienes 2 BPM's en la diff ''Collab''. 1 en 00:09:636 y otro en 00:09:656. Elimina el Primero. El del 00:09:636 xD
2. Tienes 4 BPM's en la diff ''Taiko'' LOLWTF Ademas el offset es 9656 no 9636. Elimina 3 y cambia 1
3. En las 2 Diff tienes ''AudioLeadIn: 1004'' Cambialo a 1000. [En el Notepad de los .osu - Obviously]

Taiko Collab
Hay un Objeto snapped.
Hace falta un SB Para Esta diff. TOUCHE! solo cambia eso de Various Mappers a los Nombres de los Mappers. SOLO ESE ESPACIO. y hazlo SB. Asi te evitaras crear 4 BG's.

Collab

Astom:
00:11:474 (x) - Add a Note.
00:12:201 (x) - ^ Tip
00:29:531 (TP) - No se si sera de tu parte del collab o el De Fenya. Pero 0% Es unRankeable.

Fenya:
00:30:019 (1,2,3,4,5) - Asimetrico. Mueve el (3) un grid hacia la Izquierda. [x:216|y:56 Grid lvl: 3] El (4) un grid hacia la Izquierda. [x:264|y:120 Grid lvl: 3] El (5) un grid hacia la Izquierda. [x:312|y:56 Grid lvl: 3]. O si quieres cambiale la forma.
00:33:656 (5,6) - Muevelos 1 Grid a la Izquierda.
00:34:565 (9,10) - ^
00:43:656 - Mueve el Segundo Slider Point 1 grid hacia abajo.
00:46:928 - Puedes moverlo 1 Grid arriba o Moverlo a [x:376|y:328 Grid lvl: 3] Para que no sea ''Tan recto''
00:49:656 (1,2,3) - Muevelos 1 Grid a La Izquieda.

Nerv_Mario:
01:29:292 (7,8) - Muevelos 1 Grid a la Derecha.
01:30:746 - Este slider se veria mejor Aqui.

Ignacio:
01:45:474 (1,2,3,4,1) - Ugly. Intenta Esto . Si te afecta el Orden de Tu Distance Snap mueve el Circle del 01:46:928 hacia [x:448|y:288 Grid lvl: 3]

Myon-Nya:
02:08:928 - Ugly Slider. Fix this
02:10:019 - Lo mismo.
02:12:928 - ^ ... Argh Olvidalo. Todos los slider Tienen Sliders points Innecesarios. Unmodeable For me.
Srry About that :/

Vicho-Kun:
02:54:746 . Mueve este Slider a [x:128|y:328 Grid lvl: 3]

Beuchi-chan: Yay BAT
03:02:746 (x) - Oh Dear... No se si no esta completado o simplemente quisiste ponerle un Break. De todas formas deberias Mapear esa parte.
03:10:019 - Pon esta nota En el mismo lugar de 03:08:383 (4)
03:10:383 - Puedes hacer este Slider mas Lindo c:
03:11:110 (2,3,4,5) - Para que siga El Pattern Subelo 2 Grids.
03:12:383 (6,7) - Si cambiaste el slider del 03:10:383 Ya sabes que hacer.
03:20:019 (x) Add a Note. En el centro Obviously.

Kotomi-chan:
03:49:837 - Mueve el 2do Slider Point a [x:112|y:120 Grid lvl: 3]
03:50:746 - Mueve esta nota a [x:200|y:64 Grid lvl: 3]
03:51:110 - ^ a [x:288|y:72 Grid lvl: 3]
03:51:474 - Mueve este Slider a [x:376|y:80 Grid lvl: 3]

Animask:
... Solo le pusiste 2,00 De SV Para que tu parte sea la mas Dificil. Unmodeable For me.
TIP: Remap.

Lissette: Yay MAT
04:31:474 - Fix This Slider. TIP = [Slider Points = 1)x:192|y:72 / 2)x:256|y:16 / 3)x:320|y:72 Grid lvl: 3]
04:32:201 - If you Fix the Slider of ''04:31:474'' You know you do.
04:32:928 - ^

TTTTTTTTTTTT: sadsafw XD
05:18:746 / 05:19:474 / 05:20:201 / 05:21:292 / 05:22:383 / 05:23:110 / 05:24:201 - I hate this Type of Sliders.. ._.
05:25:292 - Move this note to [x:160|y:160 Grid lvl: 3]
05:27:292 - Move 1 Grid to the left
05:28:201 - Erase THis Slider and put a Spinner. & Erase the spinner of ''05:32:565''. The spiner has to last until to 05:35:837.

Opinion:

1. Not a ''Wonderful'' , ''Awesome'' , ''Marvelous'' Collab. Many Different Types of mapping. In the general are Great.

[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote:

Hi, from my queue

fine in general

~ ☆ Collab ☆ ~

☆ 00:34:019 (7) - 1 grid left
☆ 00:58:383 (4) - um...how about this http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot148-2.jpg
☆ 01:25:292 (1) - shouldn't slow...
☆ 02:23:292 (1,2,3) - spacing increase?
☆ 03:52:746 (5) - remove whistle at the end
☆ 03:53:655 (1) - whistle here
☆ 03:55:655 (4) - remove whistle at the end
☆ 03:56:565 (5) - whistle here
☆ 03:58:565 (5) - remove whistle at the end
☆ 03:59:474 (1) - whistle here
☆ 04:00:565 (1) - =.= you should mention it's 4x (0.5 -> 2) speed, not just a simple "speed up" sign...
☆ 04:09:837 (5) - 1 grid right ww
☆ 04:10:201 (7) - 1 grid left
☆ 04:16:201 (1) - move 4th grid to (200,24)
☆ 04:16:746 (2) - move 2nd grid to (216,240)
☆ 04:26:201 (4) - move endpoint to (240,280), 2nd point to (512,192)
☆ 04:31:474 (1,5) - move middle point 1 grid right
☆ 04:33:655 (2) - move endpoint 1 grid up
☆ 05:04:019 (7) - remove whistle
☆ 05:06:928 (3) - ^
☆ 05:09:837 (5) - ^
☆ 05:14:928 (4) - 1/2 earlier
☆ 05:15:837 (1,1,3) - remove whistle
☆ 05:20:019 (4) - 1 grid up

um that's all.

Good luck~

-kevincela- wrote:

Hi

[Collab]

1. There are many green lines unsnapped on the beginning,it's better to snap them
2. 00:58:746 (6) - 1 grid down to fix the spacing (actually,it's normal that the distance grid does some errors,so ^^) Fixed
3. 01:29:655 (8) - Flip vertically? Fixed
4. 01:46:383 (1) - Move the New Combo on 01:47:110 (3) - ? Nop
5. 01:58:383 (1) - Remove New Combo? Fixed
6. 02:03:110 (1) - CTRL+R? Nop
7. 02:26:383 (7) - Add New Combo nop
8. 02:26:565 (1) - Remove New Combo nop
9. 03:34:746 (3) - I would allign this to the slider 2 Nop
10. 03:36:565 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Adjust the spacing between these notes,please Fixed
11. 03:52:565 (4) - Spacing Fixed
12. 05:20:201 (5) - Maybe put the central waypoint some grids high? Fixed
13. 05:23:110 (3) - Maybe put the central waypoint some grids down? Fixed
14. 05:25:292 (3) - 1 grid right? Fixed
15. 05:28:201 (1) - I personally feel that this slider begins a bit before where it should begin. I don't know why,but maybe there is a timing point here.I see that's fine. o.o

Good work,really. Good luck!

ikari_kyon wrote:

no se si ella pueda hacer los cambios en su parte.

[Te][Amo] wrote:

Hola Aca esta Mi M4M >w<

General:

- Los Tags Deben ser igual para todas la dificultades asi que agrega Fixed

Kurisuchianu DaxMasterix Backfire A los tags de Taiko Collab Fixed~

- El Offset en Taiko Collab Es de 9636 y En Collab es de 9656 Uno solo para ambas dificultades Fixed

- Arregla los tiempos del collab en el forum puesto que ya no son los mismos Fixed

SB:

- The SB is unsnapped ?

- Remove "Beatmap.png" from the folder if u aren't gonna use it

Collab

Secciones unsnapped y son demasiadas

00:56:928 (2) - Agrega clap al final Por que? Lo siento molesto con el clap
00:59:110 (7) - Agrega clap al inicio Nop
01:00:201 (9) - Agrega clap en el reverse arrow Fixed
01:09:474 (6) - Agrega Clap al final Lol... Ya tiene clap XD
01:40:746 (6) - Agrega Nota ? Nope.avi
02:08:928 (2) - Agrega finish al inicio Fixed
02:24:928 (4) - Agrega clap al final Fixed
03:55:110 (3) - Agrega whistle al inicio Fixed
04:00:565 (1) - El final del slider esta unsnapped arreglalofixed

Eso Es lo que pude encontrar lo importante esta en lo general asi que Espero que haya sido de ayuda

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