[Minseo's diff]2016-08-27 01:24 Minseo2000: done editing until 01:38:510 -
2016-08-27 01:24 Minseo2000: lemme send you file
2016-08-27 01:24 Minseo2000:
http://puu.sh/qPZtu/633833a271.osu2016-08-27 01:24 Protastic101: yey
2016-08-27 01:25 Minseo2000: your kudosu awaits
2016-08-27 01:25 Minseo2000: lol
2016-08-27 01:26 Protastic101: am starved of kds
2016-08-27 01:26 Protastic101: I still have the irc log I did with ravioli but I haven't posted it XD
2016-08-27 01:26 Minseo2000: post twice get kudosu twice
2016-08-27 01:26 Minseo2000: jkjk
2016-08-27 01:26 Protastic101: must kds farm
2016-08-27 01:27 Protastic101: hold on, trying to get comfy in my blanket first
2016-08-27 01:27 Minseo2000: k
2016-08-27 01:28 Protastic101: Kk
2016-08-27 01:28 Protastic101: 00:01:127 (1127|6) - This LN should end at 00:01:819 - since the vocal pauses for a sec, and there's no sustained sound past that
2016-08-27 01:29 Protastic101: Honestly, LNs in the beginning section feel overkill. The beginning is nice and calm, so I think a simple 1/2 patterning with some basic LNs would work better instead
2016-08-27 01:30 Protastic101: then as the song progresses you can add complexity to them
2016-08-27 01:30 Minseo2000: uhhh
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: sry about the delay
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: was at the toilet
2016-08-27 01:31 Protastic101: 00:02:050 (2050|2,2511|3,2973|0) - I mean, for these, if they're following the choir vocals, there's a break at 00:03:665 - where they take a breath to prepare for the next note
2016-08-27 01:31 Protastic101: Damn, did not mean to disturb you from that XD
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: ok
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: wait
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: as for the first LN
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: it was set that long
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: on purpose
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: to fit the flow
2016-08-27 01:31 Minseo2000: and better playability imo
2016-08-27 01:32 Minseo2000: the reason why the beginning section has so many LNs
2016-08-27 01:32 Protastic101: If you're going to set it for the flow, then why not use 4/4 LNs for each measure in the intro section? Then you'd have a basic LN layer that'll help players keep track of where they're in the music
2016-08-27 01:32 Minseo2000: is to better represent the choirs
2016-08-27 01:33 Minseo2000: the choir isn't 4/4?
2016-08-27 01:33 Protastic101: Except the LNs extend too long
2016-08-27 01:33 Minseo2000: it's long on purpose
2016-08-27 01:34 Protastic101: 00:02:050 (2050|2,2511|3) - Like with these, the vocal ended at 00:03:665 - but they keep going for another 2 1/2 beats
2016-08-27 01:34 Minseo2000: each "choir sound" adds 1 LN
2016-08-27 01:34 Minseo2000: but removes a few at the same time
2016-08-27 01:34 Minseo2000: the LN choices at the beginning were decided after tons of testplays
2016-08-27 01:34 Minseo2000: to see which fingers
2016-08-27 01:35 Minseo2000: holds down best
2016-08-27 01:35 Protastic101: I understand that, but I can't understand why you would extend them to all end at different times when the choir vocal pauses for breath at 00:03:665 -
2016-08-27 01:35 Minseo2000: mixed in with the 1/2 short notes
2016-08-27 01:35 Minseo2000: hmmm
2016-08-27 01:35 Minseo2000: lemme try that then
2016-08-27 01:35 Protastic101: Like, you could do something to the LNs like this
http://puu.sh/qPZVN.jpg2016-08-27 01:35 Protastic101: So the start points are all different, but the end point is the same, like in the music
2016-08-27 01:36 Minseo2000: =|
2016-08-27 01:36 Minseo2000: looks ugly imo
2016-08-27 01:36 Protastic101: But it makes more sense q.q
2016-08-27 01:36 Minseo2000: the beginning LNs can stay
2016-08-27 01:36 Minseo2000: they don't cause any playability issues
2016-08-27 01:37 Minseo2000: nor do they start at points without sounds
2016-08-27 01:37 Protastic101: Playability probs not, but in terms of what the music gives you vs what's there, it'd make more sense to end them when the choir takes a breath
2016-08-27 01:37 Protastic101: No, they start at reasonable times, I'm not denying that
2016-08-27 01:38 Minseo2000: I wanted to use chord sizes at least greater than 2 for most of the choir section
2016-08-27 01:38 Protastic101: Your end points is what is confusing, because they're held far longer than the choir has been singing. By then, you could have just done another 3 LN kind of thing like I showed in the picture above at 00:03:896 -
2016-08-27 01:38 Minseo2000: but it'll pretty much be overchording if I placed 2 LN starts
2016-08-27 01:39 Minseo2000: thus extending LN ends work
2016-08-27 01:39 Minseo2000: it's common in noodle heavy maps
2016-08-27 01:39 Minseo2000: also
2016-08-27 01:39 Protastic101: but is it really necessary in a song this calm, especially at the beginning?
2016-08-27 01:39 Minseo2000: this section isn't hard at all
2016-08-27 01:39 Minseo2000: so np
2016-08-27 01:39 Minseo2000: i think
2016-08-27 01:40 00:01:588 (1588|4,2050|4,2511|4,2973|4) - *ahem* anchor btw
2016-08-27 01:40 Minseo2000: this much is pretty basic
2016-08-27 01:40 Minseo2000: hard to call 1/1s anchors
2016-08-27 01:40 Protastic101: *stacks*
2016-08-27 01:40 Minseo2000: but I'll move one at 00:02:050 -
2016-08-27 01:41 Protastic101: I guess just think about the LNs though, cause musically, they don't have reasonable ending points
2016-08-27 01:42 Minseo2000: do I have to show you examples of maps with LNs like that?
2016-08-27 01:42 Minseo2000: oh well
2016-08-27 01:42 Minseo2000: I'll consider it
2016-08-27 01:43 Protastic101: 00:06:896 (6896|3,7357|3,7819|3,8280|3,8742|3) - Also another stack.
2016-08-27 01:43 Protastic101: I've seen maps with tons of noodles before, but they rarely make sense musically, but ok, I'm fine with whatever
2016-08-27 01:44 Minseo2000: that stack can stay
2016-08-27 01:44 Minseo2000: it's easier to hit that way anyway
2016-08-27 01:44 Minseo2000: moving any of those notes anywhere else will make it harder to hold down the LNs
2016-08-27 01:45 Protastic101: 00:07:819 (7819|3,8050|4,8280|3,8511|4) - then you have this 1/2 minitrill or whatever
2016-08-27 01:45 Minseo2000: 1/2
2016-08-27 01:45 Minseo2000: the distance is pretty far ingame
2016-08-27 01:45 Minseo2000: most players won't notice
2016-08-27 01:45 Protastic101: about the stack
2016-08-27 01:45 Minseo2000: yea?
2016-08-27 01:46 Protastic101: I'm pretty sure there's an easy way to get rid of it without sacrificing playability
2016-08-27 01:46 Protastic101: gimme a sec
2016-08-27 01:46 Minseo2000: yea
2016-08-27 01:46 Minseo2000: sure
2016-08-27 01:46 Minseo2000: that'll be nice
2016-08-27 01:46 Protastic101: 00:05:973 (5973|1,6434|4) - to 5 and 2 respectively
2016-08-27 01:46 Protastic101: column 1->7 btw
2016-08-27 01:46 Protastic101: so just control J those two notes
2016-08-27 01:47 Protastic101: 00:06:665 (6665|1,7127|4) - also control J
2016-08-27 01:47 Protastic101: 00:07:357 (7357|3) - to 1
2016-08-27 01:47 Protastic101: 00:07:588 (7588|0) - to 4
2016-08-27 01:47 Protastic101: 00:07:819 (7819|3) - to 5
2016-08-27 01:47 Protastic101: 00:08:050 (8050|4) - to 1
2016-08-27 01:48 Minseo2000: seems good
2016-08-27 01:50 Protastic101: 00:21:203 (21203|2,21319|6) - I feel like these would be easier to hit if they were a right -> left miniroll
2016-08-27 01:50 Protastic101: so like 00:21:203 (21203|2) - to 7 and 00:21:319 (21319|6) - to 3
2016-08-27 01:51 Protastic101: If you accept that, then shift 00:21:434 (21434|5,21665|4,21896|3) - one to the right (reason coming in a sec)
2016-08-27 01:51 Minseo2000: just did this instead
2016-08-27 01:51 Minseo2000:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/59467502016-08-27 01:51 Protastic101: Works I guess, though a straight 543 would have followed pitch relevancy
2016-08-27 01:52 Minseo2000: well
2016-08-27 01:52 Minseo2000: the PR of this diff sucks anyway
2016-08-27 01:52 Protastic101: 00:22:357 (22357|4,22357|2,22588|3,22588|1,22819|2,22819|0) - Control H, move all the way to 1. Creates symmetry between 00:22:357 (22357|4,22588|3,22819|2) - and 00:21:434 (21434|5,21665|4,21896|3) -
2016-08-27 01:52 Minseo2000: hmmm
2016-08-27 01:52 Protastic101: it's 3 notes and easier to hit though q.q
2016-08-27 01:52 Minseo2000: I personally wouldn't want s symmetry tho
2016-08-27 01:53 Minseo2000: there's something like this later
2016-08-27 01:53 Minseo2000: that is pretty much the flip of this
2016-08-27 01:53 Minseo2000: except with differ SNs around
2016-08-27 01:53 Protastic101: 00:24:550 - And since you're following the vocals, add a note here for the start of the "susume"
2016-08-27 01:53 Protastic101: 00:25:819 - also, where's your note for the piano here?
2016-08-27 01:54 Minseo2000: hmmm
2016-08-27 01:54 Protastic101: It's a low piano key there
2016-08-27 01:54 Minseo2000: the vowel starts at 00:24:665 - tho
2016-08-27 01:54 Protastic101: true
2016-08-27 01:55 Minseo2000: feels awkward
2016-08-27 01:55 Minseo2000: and it makes the other notes harder to hit
2016-08-27 01:55 Minseo2000: also
2016-08-27 01:55 Minseo2000: for 00:25:819 -
2016-08-27 01:55 Minseo2000: I couldn't hear a piano sound
2016-08-27 01:55 Protastic101: 00:26:973 - do you hate column 1 in this measure. You don't use it at all. You could move 00:27:665 (27665|1) - to 1 to avoid a ministack with 00:28:127 (28127|1) -
2016-08-27 01:55 Minseo2000: maybe my ears are bad
2016-08-27 01:55 Protastic101: It's there, but it's lower in pitch than the others
2016-08-27 01:56 Minseo2000: k
2016-08-27 01:56 Minseo2000: i'll put a note somewhere
2016-08-27 01:56 Minseo2000: it better fits the flow anyway
2016-08-27 01:56 Minseo2000: and yea
2016-08-27 01:56 Minseo2000: moved a note to 1
2016-08-27 01:56 Protastic101: You could add it in 1, then move 00:26:050 (26050|0) - to 3, 00:26:280 (26280|1) - to 5
2016-08-27 01:56 Minseo2000: the on at 00:27:665 -
2016-08-27 01:56 Minseo2000: uhhh
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: it's already at 3 and 5
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: ???
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: maybe I moved it
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: or maybe you mentioned it earlier?
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: idk
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: oh wait
2016-08-27 01:57 Protastic101: wut
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: the one at 00:26:050 - is at 4
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: 00:26:280 - at 5
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: oh
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: i rmb
2016-08-27 01:57 Minseo2000: i moved 00:26:050 (26050|2) -
2016-08-27 01:58 Minseo2000: and the SNs nearby?
2016-08-27 01:58 Minseo2000: maybe?
2016-08-27 01:58 Protastic101: Idk
2016-08-27 01:58 Minseo2000: idk
2016-08-27 01:58 Protastic101: whatever works tho
2016-08-27 01:58 Minseo2000: ye
2016-08-27 01:58 Minseo2000: oh well it's not far from your suggestion anyway
2016-08-27 01:59 Protastic101: 00:32:511 (32511|1,32742|5) - Feels more natural to end these LNs at 00:36:665 - since the vocal is still going
2016-08-27 01:59 Minseo2000: uhhh
2016-08-27 01:59 Minseo2000: if I end it there
2016-08-27 01:59 Minseo2000: 00:36:550 (36550|6) - this guy
2016-08-27 01:59 Minseo2000: will be a pain
2016-08-27 01:59 Minseo2000: well
2016-08-27 01:59 Minseo2000: the LN end will be a pain cuz of that note
2016-08-27 02:00 Minseo2000: and it kinda starts fading out at 00:36:550 (36550|6) -
2016-08-27 02:00 Minseo2000: i mean
2016-08-27 02:00 Minseo2000: 00:36:203 -
2016-08-27 02:00 Minseo2000: fark
2016-08-27 02:00 Protastic101: try moving it to the center column
2016-08-27 02:00 Protastic101: 00:36:896 (36896|3) - then this to 7
2016-08-27 02:00 Protastic101: 00:38:742 (38742|2,38973|6) - also, these are the same pitch, but idk if you wanna jack them
2016-08-27 02:01 Minseo2000: lemme test
2016-08-27 02:01 Minseo2000: I'll keep the original pattern
2016-08-27 02:01 Minseo2000: also
2016-08-27 02:01 Minseo2000: put the 2 notes you mentioned later in the same column
2016-08-27 02:01 Protastic101: k\
2016-08-27 02:02 Minseo2000: wew
2016-08-27 02:02 Protastic101: 00:39:896 - this measure, it might look nicer to use only jumps like 00:39:896 (39896|6,39896|5) - or 00:40:011 (40011|2,40011|3) - where the notes are right next to each other
2016-08-27 02:02 Protastic101: 00:40:357 (40357|3,40357|1) - So like this would become a {23} jump
2016-08-27 02:03 Protastic101: 00:40:802 (40802|1) - to 6, and 00:40:909 (40909|5,40909|2) - {23}
2016-08-27 02:03 Minseo2000: hmmm
2016-08-27 02:04 Minseo2000: did this
2016-08-27 02:04 Minseo2000:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/59468032016-08-27 02:04 Protastic101: works
2016-08-27 02:04 Minseo2000: whew
2016-08-27 02:04 Minseo2000: entering the most uncomfortable section of the map?
2016-08-27 02:04 Minseo2000:
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: guitars
2016-08-27 02:05 Protastic101: 00:41:740 (41740|1,41856|2) - Since they're the same pitch, might be better to just jack it like so
http://puu.sh/qQ117.jpg2016-08-27 02:05 Protastic101: Yep, I'ma start picking apart the chord sizes now
2016-08-27 02:05 Protastic101: Cause the SNs coupled with LNs make some really large chord sizes for quieter sounds
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: uhhhh
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: that
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: doubles
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: 00:41:740 (41740|1,41856|2) -
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: uhh
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: no
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: not doubles
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: the
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: guitar
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: 2 notes
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: thing thing
2016-08-27 02:05 Minseo2000: it's basically there
2016-08-27 02:06 Minseo2000: to represent
2016-08-27 02:06 Minseo2000: the upward moving guitar sound?
2016-08-27 02:06 Minseo2000: but idk
2016-08-27 02:06 Minseo2000: it sounds like a single note sometimes
2016-08-27 02:06 Protastic101: It's the same note played in 1/4
2016-08-27 02:06 Protastic101: There's a small pause in between
2016-08-27 02:06 Minseo2000: welp
2016-08-27 02:06 Minseo2000: i'd rather not put jacks here
2016-08-27 02:07 Minseo2000: kinda hard to hit
2016-08-27 02:07 Protastic101: 00:41:971 (41971|3) - the guitar begins to slide into the next4 note here
2016-08-27 02:07 Minseo2000: especially among all those LNs
2016-08-27 02:07 Minseo2000: `imma just do this then
2016-08-27 02:07 Minseo2000:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/59468172016-08-27 02:08 Protastic101: meh, the 1/4 LN you have at 00:42:087 - seems redundant since most people won't think of the guitar slide as being noticeable enough to map
2016-08-27 02:08 Minseo2000: well
2016-08-27 02:08 Minseo2000: the guitar slide
2016-08-27 02:08 Minseo2000: seems more noticeable
2016-08-27 02:08 Minseo2000: than the pause
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: at 00:41:861 -
2016-08-27 02:09 Protastic101: k then
2016-08-27 02:09 Protastic101: 00:42:202 (42202|5,42202|1,42202|0,42202|4) - quad for a snare.
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: oh well
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: ACTION shrugs
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: 3 for snare
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: 1 for guitar
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: the chord sizes are additive
2016-08-27 02:09 Protastic101: But including the LN, that's still a quad
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: the guitar and snare are separate instruments
2016-08-27 02:09 Protastic101: and it feels like too much chord layering there
2016-08-27 02:09 Minseo2000: and it isn't hard to hit as well
2016-08-27 02:10 Minseo2000: and imo quads aren't so big
2016-08-27 02:10 Protastic101: 00:42:433 (42433|6,42433|3,42548|2,42548|5) - then 1/4 doubles for a quiet snare
2016-08-27 02:10 Minseo2000: uhhh
2016-08-27 02:10 Protastic101: The one thing I wanna stress about chords is that they feel too big for a song like this
2016-08-27 02:11 Minseo2000: now that I think of it
2016-08-27 02:11 Minseo2000: 00:42:548 -
2016-08-27 02:11 Minseo2000: should have double SNs
2016-08-27 02:11 Protastic101: Christ no.
2016-08-27 02:11 Minseo2000: 00:42:894 - should be single
2016-08-27 02:11 Minseo2000: and 00:42:779 - should be double
2016-08-27 02:11 Minseo2000: hat - kick - rest - kick - hat
2016-08-27 02:11 Minseo2000: maybe I missed something?
2016-08-27 02:12 Protastic101: Just think about this, you're using a double to represent a hihat
2016-08-27 02:12 Protastic101: at 00:42:433 (42433|6) -
2016-08-27 02:12 Minseo2000: no
2016-08-27 02:12 Minseo2000: a single is used to represent a hihat
2016-08-27 02:12 Minseo2000: and another single
2016-08-27 02:12 Protastic101: Yes, think about it with the LN.
2016-08-27 02:12 Minseo2000: is used to represent
2016-08-27 02:12 Minseo2000: a guitar
2016-08-27 02:12 Protastic101: The chord sizes are too big with the addition of LNs
2016-08-27 02:13 Minseo2000: the LN does not absorb the SN here
2016-08-27 02:13 Protastic101: remember, you're still hitting a double note for a hihat here
2016-08-27 02:13 Minseo2000: =|
2016-08-27 02:13 Protastic101: one is a 1/4 LN, but there are still 2 notes
2016-08-27 02:13 Protastic101: for a hihat.
2016-08-27 02:13 Minseo2000: the LN is NOT for the hat
2016-08-27 02:13 Minseo2000: one for hihat
2016-08-27 02:13 Minseo2000: one for guitar
2016-08-27 02:14 Minseo2000: 2 instruments
2016-08-27 02:14 Minseo2000: 1 note for each
2016-08-27 02:14 Minseo2000: thus total of 2
2016-08-27 02:14 Protastic101: You don't have to map everything
2016-08-27 02:14 Minseo2000: in a single line
2016-08-27 02:14 Protastic101: Some parts will overlap
2016-08-27 02:14 Minseo2000: well the guitars and hats are what I'm mapping
2016-08-27 02:14 Minseo2000: it'll be inconsistent to skip out the hat here
2016-08-27 02:14 Protastic101: And when parts overlap, it's fine to ignore one part in favor of another, or use one part to represent the other part
2016-08-27 02:14 Minseo2000: different layering styles I guess
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: I won't sacrifice my layering like that
2016-08-27 02:15 Protastic101: But this is where like, 90% of the difficulty comes from
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: uhhh
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: no
2016-08-27 02:15 Protastic101: because you're using big chords for small sounds
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: the pink section later
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: how is a single big
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: 1 note for hat
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: very small
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: rather
2016-08-27 02:15 Minseo2000: the smallest it can be
2016-08-27 02:16 Protastic101: I already looked at it. For example, 03:25:125 (205125|3,205125|2) - is much quieter than 03:25:241 (205241|1,205241|0) - but still uses the same amount of notes
2016-08-27 02:16 Minseo2000: same instruments
2016-08-27 02:16 Protastic101: 03:25:356 (205356|4,205356|3,205356|2) - You used a triple for the crash here, but 5 notes for the crash at 03:24:202 (204202|0,204202|2,204202|3,204202|1,204202|6) -
2016-08-27 02:16 Protastic101: Same instruments, different volumes
2016-08-27 02:16 Minseo2000: playability
2016-08-27 02:16 Minseo2000: the one at 03:25:356 -
2016-08-27 02:16 Minseo2000: has more notes around it
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: rather
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: the crash is ignored there
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: there
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: it's 2 for kick
2016-08-27 02:17 Protastic101: 03:25:817 (205817|5,205817|3,205817|6) - Snare, 2 notes
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: 1 for guitar
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: total of 3
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: and at 03:24:202 -
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: 2 for kick
2016-08-27 02:17 Protastic101: 03:26:971 (206971|2,206971|1) - hihat, 2 notes, should be 1 according to your layering
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: 2 for crash
2016-08-27 02:17 Minseo2000: 1 for guitar
2016-08-27 02:18 Minseo2000: and at 03:25:817 -
2016-08-27 02:18 Minseo2000: it's a kick + guitar
2016-08-27 02:18 Minseo2000: I hear no snare there
2016-08-27 02:18 Minseo2000: I do hear a hat there tho
2016-08-27 02:18 Minseo2000: and there is a kick at 03:26:971 (206971|2,206971|1) -
2016-08-27 02:18 Protastic101: Ok, not snare, but hat/kick, you get my point
2016-08-27 02:18 Minseo2000: unless I misheard something
2016-08-27 02:18 Protastic101: 03:26:971 (206971|2,206971|1) - Is literally the quietest kick in existence
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: oh and
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: that section
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: with the hat/kick
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: I didn't map hats
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: cuz playability
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: and that kick
2016-08-27 02:19 Protastic101: then why would you map a quiet af kick?
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: is kinda covered
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: by the snare
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: right before it
2016-08-27 02:19 Minseo2000: quiet kicks are still kicks
2016-08-27 02:19 Protastic101: Dude
2016-08-27 02:20 Protastic101: Intensity. The intensity or weight of an instrument should also be taken into account when layering
2016-08-27 02:20 Minseo2000: intensity is...
2016-08-27 02:20 Protastic101: 03:26:971 (206971|1,206971|2) - literally a hihat, and I'm even doubting there's a kick
2016-08-27 02:20 Minseo2000: ...subjective
2016-08-27 02:20 Protastic101: A hihat being louder than a kick is not subjective. That kick is quiet.
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: and..?
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: so make that kick
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: a single?
2016-08-27 02:21 Protastic101: It's literally just too quiet to deserve a double note
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: cuz that kick
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: just happens to be
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: a "special" kick?
2016-08-27 02:21 Protastic101: There is literally no kick
2016-08-27 02:21 Protastic101: I'm listening to it on 25%
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: oh well
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: yea if there is no kick
2016-08-27 02:21 Protastic101: at 03:26:914 - on 1/8 so I ignore the snare right before it
2016-08-27 02:21 Minseo2000: than that section needs to be empty
2016-08-27 02:22 Protastic101: but there's a hihat
2016-08-27 02:22 Protastic101: arghhhh
2016-08-27 02:22 Protastic101: It doesn't need to be empty. Don't remove both notes. I'm saying just remove one because of how quiet it is
2016-08-27 02:22 Minseo2000: the sound of the snare extends to 03:27:029 -
2016-08-27 02:22 Minseo2000: if there is a kick
2016-08-27 02:22 Minseo2000: it's a double
2016-08-27 02:22 Minseo2000: if there is none
2016-08-27 02:22 Minseo2000: it's nothing
2016-08-27 02:23 Minseo2000: instrument-based layering here
2016-08-27 02:23 Protastic101: Ok, listen to it on 100% starting from 03:26:510 - to 03:27:202 -
2016-08-27 02:23 Minseo2000: rather
2016-08-27 02:23 Protastic101: You basically just notice the snares 03:26:856 (206856|3,206856|4,206856|5,207087|4,207087|3) - hook in sound
2016-08-27 02:23 Minseo2000: I have more doubts about 03:26:741 - than 03:26:971 -
2016-08-27 02:23 Protastic101: With a quiet af hihat
2016-08-27 02:24 Minseo2000: yea
2016-08-27 02:24 Minseo2000: 03:26:856 - is definitely loud
2016-08-27 02:24 Protastic101: what is there to doubt at 03:27:087 (207087|3,207087|4) - ?
2016-08-27 02:24 Protastic101: wrong high light
2016-08-27 02:24 Protastic101: nvm
2016-08-27 02:24 Minseo2000: nothing
2016-08-27 02:24 Minseo2000: lol
2016-08-27 02:25 Minseo2000: 03:26:741 - might not have a kick
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: 03:26:741 (206741|1,206741|2) - Oh yeah, this too
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: There's no kick
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: it's a louder hihat than 03:26:971 (206971|2,206971|1) -
2016-08-27 02:25 Minseo2000: but I do hear something at 03:26:741 (206741|1,206741|2) -
2016-08-27 02:25 Minseo2000: 03:26:625 -
2016-08-27 02:25 Minseo2000: fark
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: MINSEO.
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: HIHATS.
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: YOU GOT THIS? HIHATS.
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: HIHATS... ARE JUST...
2016-08-27 02:25 Protastic101: HIHATS
2016-08-27 02:26 Minseo2000: hmmm
2016-08-27 02:26 Minseo2000: I wonder why I mapped a hihat in this section somewhere
2016-08-27 02:26 Protastic101: 03:26:971 (206971|2,206971|1) - is probably fine as a double, the hihat is loud, but some people may say otherwise
2016-08-27 02:26 Minseo2000: welp
2016-08-27 02:26 Protastic101: 03:26:971 (206971|2,206971|1) - THIS THOUGH. HONESTLY, THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN SUBJECTIVE AND
2016-08-27 02:26 Minseo2000: I'll need someone to do a consistency check over my map
2016-08-27 02:26 Protastic101: "COULD BE ARGUED AS SUBJECTIVE, BUT WOULD BE STUPID TO DO SO."
2016-08-27 02:27 Minseo2000: =\
2016-08-27 02:27 Protastic101: literally I'm ke;jwfnb p;woiuef ntberodifbnqefb
2016-08-27 02:27 Minseo2000: here's a simple rule I applied for my maps' layering
2016-08-27 02:27 Minseo2000: equal number of notes for each instruments in a section
2016-08-27 02:27 Protastic101: do you want me
2016-08-27 02:28 Protastic101: to go through the entire pink section
2016-08-27 02:28 Protastic101: and label every single note and what instrument is there?
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: uhhhh
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: sure
2016-08-27 02:28 Protastic101: because I will
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: lol
2016-08-27 02:28 Protastic101: to prove my fucking point that 03:26:971 (206971|1,206971|2) - is just a fucking hihat
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: but honestly
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: there are stuff I hear too
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: so I can't just say
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: "yes"
2016-08-27 02:28 Minseo2000: to everything you say
2016-08-27 02:28 Protastic101: Ok, I'm not expecting you to say yes to everything I say
2016-08-27 02:29 Protastic101: but 03:26:971 (206971|1,206971|2) - is a fucking hihat
2016-08-27 02:29 Protastic101: it's. a damn. hihat.
2016-08-27 02:29 Minseo2000: well
2016-08-27 02:29 Minseo2000: I'll note it
2016-08-27 02:29 Protastic101: Ok, give me a few minutes
2016-08-27 02:29 Minseo2000: maybe if someone else says it's a hihat but not a kick I'll remove it
2016-08-27 02:29 Minseo2000: I mean
2016-08-27 02:29 Minseo2000: some other modder
2016-08-27 02:30 Minseo2000: honestly
2016-08-27 02:30 Minseo2000: hmmm
2016-08-27 02:30 Minseo2000: there are other stuff like that in the map
2016-08-27 02:30 Minseo2000: where the sound can't be that easily heard
2016-09-03 23:38 Protastic101: 02:44:971 (164971|3,165202|3,165433|3,165664|3) - and 02:46:817 (166817|3,167048|3,167279|3,167510|3) - stack/anchor
2016-09-03 23:38 Protastic101: 02:47:741 (167741|4,167971|4,168202|4,168433|4) - ^^
2016-09-03 23:38 Minseo2000: 4 note
2016-09-03 23:38 Minseo2000: 4 note
2016-09-03 23:38 Minseo2000: 4 note
2016-09-03 23:38 Minseo2000: really
2016-09-03 23:38 Minseo2000: it's only 4 notes
2016-09-03 23:38 Minseo2000: this is a 4.96* map
2016-09-03 23:39 Protastic101: it's still 1/2 though, and compared with what's going on in the rest of the song, it's going to get annoying after a bit
2016-09-03 23:39 Minseo2000: oh well
2016-09-03 23:39 Protastic101: 02:51:664 (171664|3,171664|4,171779|2,171779|1,171894|3,171894|4,172010|2,172010|1,172125|3,172125|4) - Also, these patterns are used way too often
2016-09-03 23:39 Minseo2000: I can hit them fine
2016-09-03 23:39 Minseo2000: k I will trill it
2016-09-03 23:39 Protastic101: You can't really blame someone for getting bored of them after a while
2016-09-03 23:40 Minseo2000: you know
2016-09-03 23:40 Minseo2000: there are many other repetitive maps like this
2016-09-03 23:40 Protastic101: 03:07:125 (187125|6,187125|4,187125|5,187125|1,187125|3) - Also, I know I've already tried and failed to tell you about chord layering, but six notes total for something that isn't even a crash
2016-09-03 23:40 Minseo2000: and many other maps that are far more boring
2016-09-03 23:41 Minseo2000: 1 for vocal
2016-09-03 23:41 Minseo2000: 3 for snare
2016-09-03 23:41 Minseo2000: 1 for piano
2016-09-03 23:41 Minseo2000: additive layering
2016-09-03 23:41 Minseo2000: notes don't absorb notes here
2016-09-03 23:41 Minseo2000: like I said
2016-09-03 23:41 Protastic101: You can use other maps as reference for patterns and such, but don't try to use it as an argument for something that's boring to play
2016-09-03 23:41 Minseo2000: a 4.96* map
2016-09-03 23:42 Minseo2000: but you know
2016-09-03 23:42 Minseo2000: "boring" is really subjective
2016-09-03 23:42 Protastic101: The diff spread too
2016-09-03 23:42 Protastic101: jesus christ the diff spread
2016-09-03 23:42 Protastic101: but that's another matter
2016-09-03 23:42 Minseo2000: 4K can be harder
2016-09-03 23:42 Minseo2000: and 7K is overrated
2016-09-03 23:42 Minseo2000: tbh 4K is pretty underrated
2016-09-03 23:42 Protastic101: But it's not because there's a limit to how hard a song should be mapped as
2016-09-03 23:42 Minseo2000: SR issues
2016-09-03 23:43 Minseo2000: I don't think I'm overmapping rn
2016-09-03 23:43 Minseo2000: no ghost notes
2016-09-03 23:43 Minseo2000: chord sizes are not jumping randomly
2016-09-03 23:43 Protastic101: Not ghost notes, but really difficult to hear sounds are being mapped
2016-09-03 23:43 Protastic101: this is something where you should really try to focus on the more audible things
2016-09-03 23:43 Minseo2000: well
2016-09-03 23:44 Minseo2000: it's hard
2016-09-03 23:44 Minseo2000: but it's definintely there
2016-09-03 23:44 Protastic101: cause the song isn't whoosh whoosh bang bang 7* hard
2016-09-03 23:44 Minseo2000: you know
2016-09-03 23:44 Protastic101: It's calm with some semi-intense parts
2016-09-03 23:44 Minseo2000: it's important to pay attention to less noticeable sounds too
2016-09-03 23:44 Protastic101: It is, but when you have to listen on 25% speed to hear them is when it's excessive
2016-09-03 23:45 Minseo2000: I listen to songs on 25% speed
2016-09-03 23:45 Minseo2000: and many others do as well
2016-09-03 23:45 Protastic101: 03:20:625 (200625|2) - I can barely even hear this on 25%. It's the quietest hihat I've ever heard
2016-09-03 23:45 Minseo2000: welcome to 4*+ mapping
2016-09-03 23:45 Protastic101: No player is going to notice that when playing
2016-09-03 23:45 Minseo2000: tbh
2016-09-03 23:45 Minseo2000: I don't notice plenty of sounds in other maps too
2016-09-03 23:45 Protastic101: No, there are 4*-5* songs that pay attention to mostly prominent sounds
2016-09-03 23:46 Minseo2000: it really is a matter of individual difference
2016-09-03 23:46 Minseo2000: yea sure
2016-09-03 23:46 Minseo2000: and you're telling me to map guitars
2016-09-03 23:46 Minseo2000: which is pretty much inaudible in the vocal sections
2016-09-03 23:46 Protastic101: I'm not saying you should map them, I'm saying that I'd prefer they be mapped rather than vocals
2016-09-03 23:47 Protastic101: because the vocal mapping is just overkill since it takes so much importance in this map
2016-09-03 23:47 Minseo2000: well I prefer mapping so called inaudible hats and kicks
2016-09-03 23:47 Protastic101: In certain parts, it's ok to accent the vocals by letting the chart pay most attention to it
2016-09-03 23:47 Minseo2000: o well
2016-09-03 23:47 Minseo2000: I'll see if I can replace some vocal mapping sections
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: but really
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: I like drawing a line
2016-09-03 23:48 Protastic101: but it's unnecessary in places like the kiais where the drums are playing out loudly and whatever
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: between subjective and objective
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: you know
2016-09-03 23:48 Protastic101: Or you can do the opposite
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: those parts
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: I'm mapping BOTH vocals and drums
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: and what you're suggesting me is to map ONLY drums?
2016-09-03 23:48 Minseo2000: .-.
2016-09-03 23:48 Protastic101: No, I'm saying to let the vocals be on the backburner when you're mapping
2016-09-03 23:49 Protastic101: as in, don't give it so much importance during those times
2016-09-03 23:49 Minseo2000: vocals are just another instrument
2016-09-03 23:49 Protastic101: or you can give them importance during kiais, and focus mostly on drums during the calmer parts
2016-09-03 23:49 Minseo2000: drums are also, simply instruments
2016-09-03 23:49 Protastic101: vocals are a melody with a very difficult ryhthm to place
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: you know
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: people map synth leads
2016-09-03 23:50 Protastic101: which is fine at times, but over extended periods, it gets too confusing
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: melody
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: and nobody says anything about them
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: is there a particular aspect of vocals
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: that makes them worse
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: than synth leads
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: when mapping
2016-09-03 23:50 Protastic101: they're unpredictable 80% of the time
2016-09-03 23:50 Minseo2000: are synth leads predictable?
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: are all drums predictable?
2016-09-03 23:51 Protastic101: as in, they don't end or start on clear downbeats, they come in on offbeats, they go to weird 1/8 snaps
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: so do synths
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: and many strings
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: and sometimes guitars
2016-09-03 23:51 Protastic101: you can't tell if someone's going to map the breaths, or if they'll approximate, etc.
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: ANY melodic lead does that
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: guitar frets?
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: synth leadins?
2016-09-03 23:51 Minseo2000: strings?
2016-09-03 23:52 Protastic101: those tend to be on upbeats (red ticks) and come in strong on downbeats. The vocal is just ugh
2016-09-03 23:52 Minseo2000: same same
2016-09-03 23:53 Protastic101: Ok, I have no idea how to explain this but
2016-09-03 23:54 Protastic101: vocals just aren't accepted to be the prominent part to map in Mania. It's difficult to keep time with it. It's difficult to time releases of LNs for them whenever you have them coupled with drums or whatever. They take up unnecessary space when they're the same intensity through long vocal sections
2016-09-03 23:54 Minseo2000: strings of
2016-09-03 23:54 Minseo2000: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/204360 sakuzyo - ChaiN De/structioN (siilento's solid remix)]
2016-09-03 23:54 Protastic101: Vocals are just a mess cause it's normally done by a human who can't get the exact perfect timing and will differ from the music in slight ways
2016-09-03 23:55 Minseo2000: synths of
2016-09-03 23:55 Minseo2000: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/884617 LeaF - Doppelganger]
2016-09-03 23:55 Minseo2000: then every recorded music shouldn't be mapped
2016-09-03 23:55 Protastic101: Also, the vocals only serve to inflate the SR of your diff
2016-09-03 23:55 Minseo2000: and you know
2016-09-03 23:55 Minseo2000: vocalists usually sing with metronomes
2016-09-03 23:56 Minseo2000: and yes
2016-09-03 23:56 Minseo2000: vocal mapping does increase SR
2016-09-03 23:56 Protastic101: because LNs -> less columns -> still same chord layering -> higher note density -> higher SR -> higher pp which is what I feel like you mapped it for
2016-09-03 23:56 Minseo2000: but other methods are better
2016-09-03 23:56 Minseo2000: BMS style mapping increases SR ALOT MORE than O2Jam mapping does
2016-09-03 23:56 Minseo2000: fun fact?
2016-09-03 23:56 Minseo2000: BMS charts are pretty much devoid of LNs
2016-09-03 23:57 Minseo2000: also
2016-09-03 23:57 Protastic101: that's cause it uses crazy high chord layering like here
2016-09-03 23:57 Minseo2000: I can get the same SR on Yakusoku without vocal mapping
2016-09-03 23:57 Minseo2000: SR wise
2016-09-03 23:58 Minseo2000: higher density
2016-09-03 23:58 Protastic101: Minseo, you're <3 and everything, so don't hate me
2016-09-03 23:58 Minseo2000: higher SR
2016-09-03 23:58 Protastic101: but this difficulty is nothing more than a dump map
2016-09-03 23:58 Minseo2000: and less LN => more space for SN => more notes
2016-09-03 23:58 Minseo2000: no my Yakusoku diff is a technical map
2016-09-03 23:58 Minseo2000: it's not made pattern wise
2016-09-03 23:58 Minseo2000: it's made song wise
2016-09-03 23:59 Protastic101: you can call it technical, but technical maps can also be dump maps
2016-09-03 23:59 Protastic101: If you removed the LNs, why would you add more notes though?
2016-09-03 23:59 Minseo2000: define dump map pls
2016-09-03 23:59 Protastic101: You mapped everything
2016-09-03 23:59 Protastic101: every little sound you hear
2016-09-03 23:59 Protastic101: you mapped it
2016-09-03 23:59 Minseo2000: ok
2016-09-03 23:59 Minseo2000: you don't know what dump maps are
2016-09-03 23:59 Minseo2000: dump maps are not
2016-09-03 23:59 Protastic101: without thinking about how someone sightreading it might hear it
2016-09-03 23:59 Minseo2000: maps that map out everything
2016-09-04 00:00 Minseo2000: dump maps are basically pattern focused maps
2016-09-04 00:00 Protastic101: then what do you want me to call this? An overmap?
2016-09-04 00:00 Minseo2000: while technical maps try to represent the music by following consistent chord sizes and PR
2016-09-04 00:00 Minseo2000: dump maps try to represent the music by the "feel" of a pattern
2016-09-04 00:01 Minseo2000: and no it is not an overmap as I'm not mapping anything that does not exist or putting random large chords
2016-09-04 00:01 Minseo2000: and besides "overmap" and "overchord" are subjective
2016-09-04 00:01 Protastic101: "Putting random large chords*
2016-09-04 00:01 Protastic101: I won't go on about hihats
2016-09-04 00:01 Minseo2000: yes my layering is different from yours
2016-09-04 00:02 Protastic101: but the additive chord layering is excessive
2016-09-04 00:02 Protastic101: Honestly, it's just excessive
2016-09-04 00:02 Minseo2000: how you layer is commonly used in lower SR maps
2016-09-04 00:02 Minseo2000: for those who like playing easier maps
2016-09-04 00:02 Minseo2000: go over to harder maps
2016-09-04 00:02 Minseo2000: you'll see this kind of layering
2016-09-04 00:02 Minseo2000: quite often
2016-09-04 00:03 Minseo2000: this difference in style
2016-09-04 00:03 Protastic101: Hihats
2016-09-04 00:03 Minseo2000: explains why you are better than me at mapping easier maps
2016-09-04 00:03 Minseo2000: I SUCK at mapping easy maps because of my layering style
2016-09-04 00:03 Minseo2000: well
2016-09-04 00:03 Minseo2000: my mapping style in general
2016-09-04 00:03 Protastic101: I just. You use doubles for hihats, and doubles for kicks, doubles for toms
2016-09-04 00:04 Minseo2000: no I use singles for hihats
2016-09-04 00:04 Protastic101: you're pretty consistent on the snares
2016-09-04 00:04 Minseo2000: doubles for kicks
2016-09-04 00:04 Minseo2000: triples for snares
2016-09-04 00:04 Protastic101: and the crashes too, I'll give you that
2016-09-04 00:04 Minseo2000: it seems consistent on snares
2016-09-04 00:04 Minseo2000: as snares are loud
2016-09-04 00:04 Minseo2000: and they are definitely noticeable
2016-09-04 00:04 Minseo2000: I DISLIKE inconistency
2016-09-04 00:05 Minseo2000: I'd feel disgusted at myself if I PURPOSEFULLY made my map inconsistent WITHOUT A PARTICULAR REASON
2016-09-04 00:05 Protastic101: 02:02:164 (122164|4) - If you dislike it, remove this damn note so that you can have an easier time leading into 02:02:279 (122279|2,122279|0) - or use symmetry
2016-09-04 00:06 Minseo2000: tbh that's one of the easiest bursts in this map
2016-09-04 00:06 Protastic101: plus it's a damn hihat
2016-09-04 00:06 Minseo2000: oh well
2016-09-04 00:06 Minseo2000: idk if it's a kick or at hat rn
2016-09-04 00:06 Minseo2000: and no
2016-09-04 00:06 Protastic101: 02:01:817 (121817|0,121817|5,121933|6,121933|1,122048|5,122048|2) - kicks/toms/snares whatever
2016-09-04 00:06 Minseo2000: symmetry is not always good
2016-09-04 00:06 Protastic101: 02:02:164 - hihat
2016-09-04 00:07 Minseo2000: k
2016-09-04 00:07 Protastic101: I don't understand how you can't tell it's only a hihat
2016-09-04 00:07 Protastic101: but whatever
2016-09-04 00:07 Protastic101: and that kind of stuff is all over the map
2016-09-04 00:07 Minseo2000: you nkow
2016-09-04 00:07 Protastic101: but anyways
2016-09-04 00:07 Minseo2000: I can't understand why you can't pick up some kicks
2016-09-04 00:07 Minseo2000: it's the same thing
2016-09-04 00:07 Minseo2000: individual differences
2016-09-04 00:07 Minseo2000: how we perceive music
2016-09-04 00:07 Protastic101: I've pushed this way too far and I honestly don't want to go back to this ever again
2016-09-04 00:08 Minseo2000: want a chill pill?
2016-09-04 00:08 Protastic101: I'm probably just going to post in thread, steal my kds, and never look at this again
2016-09-04 00:08 Minseo2000: k
2016-09-04 00:08 Protastic101: No, I'm not mad, I just realize that we're never going to come to an agreement because of how differently we perceive mapping
2016-09-04 00:09 Protastic101: I think I'm right, you think you're right, but it's all opinion so while no one's wrong, no one's right either
2016-09-04 00:09 Minseo2000: yea
2016-09-04 00:09 Protastic101: I'll let you handle this map however you like, and I'll simply avoid saying anything about it
2016-09-04 00:09 Minseo2000: that's why I try to draw a line between subjective and objective
2016-09-04 00:09 Protastic101: I've given my 2 cents already, I don't need to beat a dead horse any longer
[Ravioli's diff]2016-08-05 23:32 Protastic101: *poke poke*
2016-08-05 23:32 Raveille: ayyyy
2016-08-05 23:32 Protastic101: O.O
2016-08-05 23:32 Raveille: ok start
2016-08-05 23:32 Protastic101: 00:04:127 (4127|3,4357|3) - why. Why u gotta do dis. They aren't the same pitch
2016-08-05 23:33 Protastic101: 00:04:357 (4357|3) - Should be moved to a lower column like 3
2016-08-05 23:33 Raveille: ah
2016-08-05 23:33 Protastic101: Like, I'm fine without the PR here, but that jack will bother me forever
2016-08-05 23:33 Raveille: 00:04:127 (4127|3) -
2016-08-05 23:33 Raveille: I switched that to 2
2016-08-05 23:33 Raveille: cause if 00:04:357 (4357|3) - got switched to 3
2016-08-05 23:33 Raveille: its double jack to hold so eh
2016-08-05 23:33 Raveille: I want it like more magical so its one note then hold
2016-08-05 23:34 Raveille: instead of 2 notes then hold
2016-08-05 23:34 Protastic101: 00:04:588 (4588|2) - Why not just move this to 2 then
2016-08-05 23:34 Protastic101: The pitch is descending anyways
2016-08-05 23:34 Raveille: 00:04:357 (4357|1) -
2016-08-05 23:34 Raveille: ?????
2016-08-05 23:34 Protastic101: 1*
2016-08-05 23:34 Raveille: oh hm
2016-08-05 23:34 Protastic101: I'm bad at this q.q
2016-08-05 23:34 Raveille: ok thn
2016-08-05 23:34 Raveille: then
2016-08-05 23:34 Raveille: lol
2016-08-05 23:34 Protastic101: 00:09:665 (9665|0,9896|0) - oh yeah, and move these too, I'm triggered
2016-08-05 23:35 Protastic101: 00:11:050 (11050|3,11280|3) - ^^
2016-08-05 23:35 Raveille: 00:09:896 (9896|0) - moved to 4
2016-08-05 23:35 Protastic101: 00:11:050 (11050|3) - Might just move this to 2 and keep 00:11:280 (11280|3) - the same for pitch relevancy
2016-08-05 23:35 Raveille: 00:11:280 (11280|3) - to 2
2016-08-05 23:35 Raveille: o
2016-08-05 23:35 Raveille: ok
2016-08-05 23:36 Raveille: done
2016-08-05 23:36 Protastic101: 00:13:588 (13588|2) - Also, this sounds like it's 2 different notes
2016-08-05 23:36 Protastic101: 00:13:819 - Yeah, it changes to a lower pitch here
2016-08-05 23:37 Raveille: its like
2016-08-05 23:37 Raveille: pitch bended sound
2016-08-05 23:37 Protastic101: 00:17:511 (17511|3) - Move this to 3 to avoid a jack with the next note and pitch relevancy
2016-08-05 23:37 Raveille: idk how to explain but its basically 1 note but the pitch slowly drops to the next pitch so
2016-08-05 23:37 Raveille: I'm sticking to that hold
2016-08-05 23:37 Protastic101: Yeah. Idk if it's noticeable enough to warrant another LN, so it's up to you
2016-08-05 23:37 Raveille: ok
2016-08-05 23:37 Raveille: mhm
2016-08-05 23:38 Protastic101: 00:19:588 - Starting from here, I don't mean this in a rude way, but these LNs are kind of unnecessary
2016-08-05 23:38 Raveille: wut
2016-08-05 23:38 Protastic101: I'm assuming they're for the vocals, but then that gets into vocal mapping and stuff
2016-08-05 23:38 Raveille: but its the melody vocal line
2016-08-05 23:38 Raveille: o
2016-08-05 23:39 Raveille: then what happens for the chorus?
2016-08-05 23:39 Protastic101: Like, the LNs just feel unnatural to the music
2016-08-05 23:39 Raveille: hm
2016-08-05 23:39 Protastic101: There are still places for LNs
2016-08-05 23:39 Raveille: ok hold on
2016-08-05 23:40 Protastic101: Like 00:19:588 - to 00:21:434 - is one long note for the violin or something
2016-08-05 23:40 Protastic101: and from there, it changes every measure to a different held note
2016-08-05 23:41 Protastic101: Like 00:21:434 - to 00:23:280 - is lower in pitch than the last long sound I mentioned, and 00:23:280 - to 00:24:203 - is higher in pitch than the last one
2016-08-05 23:43 Raveille: mhm
2016-08-05 23:43 Raveille: done
2016-08-05 23:43 Protastic101: Just my opinion, you don't have to follow it
2016-08-05 23:44 Raveille: nah I decided to change it too
2016-08-05 23:44 Raveille: since it is the intro so
2016-08-05 23:44 Raveille: that can be valid
2016-08-05 23:45 Protastic101: K, kind of felt like I was forcing that on you XD
2016-08-05 23:45 Protastic101: 00:38:713 (38713|2) - I can't hear a gracenote here.
2016-08-05 23:45 Raveille: nah that can be valid
2016-08-05 23:45 Raveille: hear carefully then
2016-08-05 23:45 Raveille: im sticking to that
2016-08-05 23:46 Raveille: it really sounds like 2 offbeat notes
2016-08-05 23:46 Protastic101: 25% speed and I can't really hear it
2016-08-05 23:46 Raveille: i cant do a 1/32
2016-08-05 23:46 Raveille: so 1/16 is the max for that
2016-08-05 23:46 Protastic101: It's more like a dissonant chord rather than a gracenote
2016-08-05 23:46 Raveille: but if so then ok
2016-08-05 23:47 Raveille: ok changed
2016-08-05 23:47 Protastic101: What you could do is just move 00:38:713 (38713|2) - to 00:38:742 - and make it a jump
2016-08-05 23:48 Raveille: yea
2016-08-05 23:48 Protastic101: 00:42:779 (42779|0) - Think this might be swing, so move it up to 00:42:817 - which is 1/3
2016-08-05 23:49 Raveille: nice catch
2016-08-05 23:52 Protastic101: 00:56:510 - Same thing about the LNs here
2016-08-05 23:53 Raveille: nah this time this is the first verse
2016-08-05 23:53 Raveille: probably will leave the LNs now
2016-08-05 23:53 Protastic101: Rather than mapping to vocals, you could just add a 1/2 stream here for the guitar and make the kicks doubles and snares triples
2016-08-05 23:53 Raveille: unless it gets protested
2016-08-05 23:53 Protastic101: Ok
2016-08-05 23:53 Raveille: :/
2016-08-05 23:54 Protastic101: 01:08:394 - Guitar here similar to 01:03:779 -
2016-08-05 23:54 Raveille: ok
2016-08-05 23:54 Raveille: added
2016-08-05 23:55 Protastic101: 01:13:010 - 01:13:471 - There are also hihats here but that's the general structure of the music at this point
2016-08-05 23:55 Raveille: ok added too
2016-08-05 23:56 Protastic101: If you added those, you'd have to add notes at places like 01:13:933 - 01:14:856 - 01:15:317 - 01:15:779 - 01:16:241 - and etc to be consistent
2016-08-05 23:57 Raveille: ok added
2016-08-05 23:58 Protastic101: 01:14:048 (74048|2,74279|2,74510|2) - Also, I'm fine with 2 note stacks, but 3 notes gets a little repetitive. It's not that noticeable since the third note is an LN, but stuff like 01:17:741 (77741|0,77971|0,78202|0) - should definitely be moved around a little
2016-08-05 23:59 Protastic101: 01:17:971 (77971|0) - You could probably just move this to 3 to avoid a 3 note stack
2016-08-05 23:59 Raveille: yea
2016-08-05 23:59 Raveille: did that
2016-08-05 23:59 Protastic101: 01:24:894 (84894|3,84894|2,85010|1,85010|0,85125|3,85125|0,85125|2,85241|2,85241|1,85356|3,85356|1,85471|0,85471|2,85587|1,85587|0,85587|3,85702|3,85702|2,85817|0,85817|1,85933|0,85933|1) -
2016-08-06 00:00 Raveille: ?
2016-08-06 00:00 Protastic101: The kicks are kind of quiet so I don't really think 2 note chords are fitting for them
2016-08-06 00:00 Raveille: so which 2 note chords need to be changed?
2016-08-06 00:00 Raveille: all?
2016-08-06 00:01 Protastic101: It's also difficult to read and has some 1/4 minijacks like at 01:25:010 (85010|0,85125|0) - or 01:25:125 (85125|2,85241|2) -
2016-08-06 00:01 Protastic101: Sorry, I'm not a fast person lol
2016-08-06 00:01 Raveille: so all 2 note chords?
2016-08-06 00:01 Protastic101: My suggestion is to reduce jumps -> singles, snares -> double
2016-08-06 00:01 Protastic101: 01:25:125 (85125|0,85125|3,85125|2) - This one is probably fine as a triple though because of the ride
2016-08-06 00:02 Raveille: ok reduced it
2016-08-06 00:02 Raveille: im assuming its the same for the others
2016-08-06 00:02 Protastic101: Yeah
2016-08-06 00:03 Raveille: ok done
2016-08-06 00:03 Protastic101: 01:28:817 (88817|1) - really quiet hihat here, so I don't think this note is necessary since there's a hooked note kind of feel with 01:28:587 (88587|3,88702|2,88933|0,89048|1) -
2016-08-06 00:04 Raveille: ok
2016-08-06 00:04 Raveille: done
2016-08-06 00:04 Protastic101: 01:38:856 - 01:39:087 - Missing notes here like the ones at 01:37:933 (97933|0,98164|0) -
2016-08-06 00:05 Raveille: yea done
2016-08-06 00:05 Protastic101: 01:40:241 (100241|0,100241|1) - There's a 1/6 rhythm here, not 1/4. Try something like this
http://puu.sh/qrvp3.jpg2016-08-06 00:06 Raveille: done
2016-08-06 00:06 Protastic101: 01:53:856 - Missing a note here for the snare or whatever this is called
2016-08-06 00:06 Raveille: done
2016-08-06 00:07 Protastic101: It's like a loosened snare, is there an actual name for it?
2016-08-06 00:07 Raveille: idk but I hear it too
2016-08-06 00:07 Protastic101: 01:54:202 - Also, since this is a crash, I think it deserves 3 notes instead of 2
2016-08-06 00:07 Raveille: o
2016-08-06 00:07 Raveille: yea
2016-08-06 00:07 Protastic101: You could make one of the notes an LN and end at 01:54:433 - since it's a ride
2016-08-06 00:08 Protastic101: #StopOppressingCrashes/Finishes
2016-08-06 00:08 Raveille: yea XD
2016-08-06 00:08 Protastic101: 01:56:279 (116279|1,116394|0,116625|1,116741|0) - This is more visual than anything, but rather than make them the same position, you could try mirroring them. It would help the hand balance a bit
2016-08-06 00:09 Protastic101: 01:59:394 - #StopOppressingTheWeirdLooseSnareKindofSounds
2016-08-06 00:09 Raveille: yea
2016-08-06 00:09 Raveille: XD
2016-08-06 00:09 Protastic101: 01:58:125 (118125|2,118241|3,118471|2,118587|3) - That visual thing I suggested could work here too, but instead of being {34}-{21} you could do a split roll like {43}-{12}
2016-08-06 00:10 Raveille: done
2016-08-06 00:10 Protastic101: 02:01:010 - 01:59:856 - 02:01:933 - 02:02:856 - Missing notes here, either for a hihat or snare
2016-08-06 00:11 Raveille: added
2016-08-06 00:13 Protastic101: 02:02:279 (122279|2,122279|3,122394|2,122394|1,122510|1,122510|0) - As for this stair pattern, the 1/4 minjacks don't play well imo, and since the sound is similar to a lowsnare-highsnare-lowsnare, you could probably do a pattern like {14}-{23}-{14} or a {12}-{34}-{12} minijumptrill
2016-08-06 00:13 Raveille: hm
2016-08-06 00:13 Raveille: ok
2016-08-06 00:14 Protastic101: 02:09:202 (129202|1,129317|2,129433|1,129548|2,129664|1,129779|2) - Wonderful wonderful swing here, which means 02:09:202 (129202|1,129433|1,129664|1) - ends on the 1/6 beat 02:09:279 - 02:09:510 - 02:09:741 - respectively, and 02:09:317 (129317|2,129548|2,129779|2) - begin on those beats
2016-08-06 00:15 Protastic101: 02:11:971 (131971|2) - Btw, the guitar here changes pitch rather clearly at 02:12:087 - so you could either shorten the LN to be 1/4 long and add another 1/4 LN at 02:12:087 - or just use two 1/4 short notes
2016-08-06 00:15 Raveille: o
2016-08-06 00:16 Raveille: hm
2016-08-06 00:16 Protastic101: ACTION activates thinky face
2016-08-06 00:17 Raveille: lel
2016-08-06 00:17 Raveille: done
2016-08-06 00:18 Protastic101: 02:14:971 (134971|2) - And to avoid a 1/8 jack just because that's really fast to hit with the same finger, I'd just shorten this to 1/4.
2016-08-06 00:18 Raveille: its for added effect for a guitar
2016-08-06 00:18 Raveille: but ill shorten it to 1/6
2016-08-06 00:19 Protastic101: I get that it's for the guitar, but a 1/8 jack is still really fast and difficult
2016-08-06 00:19 Raveille: shortened
2016-08-06 00:19 Raveille: to 1/6 for effect
2016-08-06 00:19 Protastic101: 1/6 is fine I guess too, but combining 1/4 02:15:087 (135087|0) - with 1/6 is also difficult
2016-08-06 00:20 Raveille: hm
2016-08-06 00:20 Protastic101: Cause now you have compound time with common time and that becomes confusing to play.
2016-08-06 00:20 Raveille: ill stick to 1/6 cause it looks neater
2016-08-06 00:20 Raveille: its not like they play in the editor right
2016-08-06 00:20 Raveille: lol
2016-08-06 00:21 Raveille: ill need to go now unfortunately
2016-08-06 00:21 Protastic101: Hydria's map got DQed because of the snapping issues XD
2016-08-06 00:21 Raveille: can you savelog this and post it on the page?
2016-08-06 00:21 Raveille: rip XD
2016-08-06 00:21 Protastic101: nahhh, I'll finish the mod in a post and do it that way
2016-08-06 00:21 Raveille: savelog this post it on the song page
2016-08-06 00:21 Raveille: I need to go
2016-08-06 00:21 Protastic101: Bai
2016-08-06 00:21 Raveille: we can continue this later but idk I have MWC match
2016-08-06 00:21 Protastic101: Ohhh damnnn
2016-08-06 00:21 Raveille: ah ok then you can follow that
2016-08-06 00:21 Protastic101: I'ma watch.
2016-08-06 00:22 Protastic101: And then we'll continue it later, but I won't post till I finish the mod
2016-08-06 00:22 Raveille: okkkk
2016-08-06 00:22 Raveille: sure
2016-08-06 00:22 Protastic101: Gl with match
2016-08-06 00:23 Raveille: thanks ^_
2016-08-06 00:23 Raveille: savelog btw
2016-08-06 00:23 Protastic101: Later ^.^