Soul Evans wrote:

Normal

00:00:277 Add note at 1 - I've left it as it is. Reasoning is outside the box
00:00:624 Add note at 2 - the same applies to everything else
00:00:971 Add note at 5
00:01:317 Add note at 4
00:01:664 Add note at 3
00:02:011 Add LN on lane 1 until 00:02:705 ~
00:02:705 On lane 3 add LN until 00:03:051
00:03:051 On lane 4 add LN until 00:03:398
00:03:398 Lane 5 add LN until 00:04:786
00:04:786 lane 6. add an LN until 00:06:173
00:05:479 add note on 1
00:05:826 add note on 3
00:06:173 Add two notes on 4 and 5
00:06:173 Lane 1 add LN until 00:08:427
00:06:520 add note on 3
00:06:866 add note on 6
00:07:213 add note on 4
00:07:560 add note on 2

Well basically i did the intro for ya since how could you left that out? - I don't really feel that the intro needs mapping

well feel free for changing anything in it lol the map itself is a mess i have to say - it's not exactly helpful if you don't say why the map is a mess :/
i can't hear what you're following so it will need a rework i believe so - explained below

Cipse wrote:

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Soul Evans wrote:

Normal

00:00:277 Add note at 1 - I've left it as it is. Reasoning is outside the box
00:00:624 Add note at 2 - the same applies to everything else
00:00:971 Add note at 5
00:01:317 Add note at 4
00:01:664 Add note at 3
00:02:011 Add LN on lane 1 until 00:02:705 ~
00:02:705 On lane 3 add LN until 00:03:051
00:03:051 On lane 4 add LN until 00:03:398
00:03:398 Lane 5 add LN until 00:04:786
00:04:786 lane 6. add an LN until 00:06:173
00:05:479 add note on 1
00:05:826 add note on 3
00:06:173 Add two notes on 4 and 5
00:06:173 Lane 1 add LN until 00:08:427
00:06:520 add note on 3
00:06:866 add note on 6
00:07:213 add note on 4
00:07:560 add note on 2

Well basically i did the intro for ya since how could you left that out? - I don't really feel that the intro needs mapping

well feel free for changing anything in it lol the map itself is a mess i have to say - it's not exactly helpful if you don't say why the map is a mess :/
i can't hear what you're following so it will need a rework i believe so - explained below

I'll just point out the parts I'm following. In both difficulties, they're self-explanatory, because the different sounds get different hitsounds. Here's an overview of both of the difficulties anyway

General Overview

This is how I mapped both the difficulties in general. Exceptions are not listed

Normal
00:07:907 - to 00:18:485 -: violins
00:19:005 - to 00:29:757 -: 1/1 kicks
00:30:103 - to 00:39:641 -: electric bass
00:40:161 - to 00:52:127 -: drums and kicks
00:52:300 - to 00:57:502 -: 1/1 kicks
00:57:849 - to 01:02:878 -: violins
01:03:398 - to 01:08:601 -: 1/1 kicks and chordal changes
01:08:947 - to 01:14:323 -: drums
01:14:497 - to 01:25:248 -: 1/1 kicks and chordal changes
01:25:595 - to 01:29:583 -: piano

Hard
00:07:907 - to 00:18:918 -: drums, electric guitar and kicks. Kicks don't appear when there are drums
00:19:005 - to 00:29:757 -: vocals. Vocal mapping lasts the entirety of the difficulty, so assume that it belongs in all of the sections - minus the intro and outro
00:30:103 - to 00:41:028 -: 1/1 kicks
00:41:202 - to 00:52:213 -: drums
00:52:300 - to 00:57:502 -: 1/1 kicks
00:57:849 - to 01:02:878 -: 1/1 kicks and violins
01:03:398 - to 01:08:601 -: 1/1 kicks
01:08:947 - to 01:14:410 -: drums
01:14:497 - to 01:25:248 -: 1/1 kicks
01:25:595 - to 01:29:583 -: piano

Detailed Overview

This is how every note in both difficulties were mapped out. All exceptions are listed

Normal
00:07:907 - to 00:18:485 -: violins
00:19:005 - to 00:28:023 -: 1/1 kicks, apart from 00:24:034 (24034|0) - which is the bass
00:28:543 - to 00:29:757 -: drums and violins, drums mapped by SNs and violins by LNs
00:30:103 - to 00:39:641 -: bass, minus 00:30:103 (30103|4) - and 00:39:641 (39641|5) - which are drums
00:40:161 - to 00:40:855 -: 1/1 drums, simplified from 1/2 drums
00:41:202 - to 00:52:127 -: drums and kicks. 1/4 drums are simplified using LNs
00:52:300 - to 00:57:502 -: kicks and electric guitar, with the exception of 00:52:300 (52300|5) - which is a finish
00:57:849 - to 01:00:450 -: violins, excluding 00:57:849 (57849|0) - for the vocals
01:00:624 - to 01:02:878 -: drums and kick sounds, minus the violins with 01:00:624 (60624|5) -
01:03:398 - to 01:08:601 -: 1/1 kicks and chordal changes, kicks mapped by SN and chordal changes with LNs
01:08:947 - to 01:12:936 -: drums, excluding 01:11:202 (71202|0) - for the violin
01:13:283 - to 01:14:323 -: piano
01:14:497 - to 01:19:699 -: 1/1 kicks and chordal changes, as before
01:20:046 - to 01:21:086 -: violins
01:21:433 - to 01:25:248 -: 1/1 kicks and chordal changes, again
01:25:595 - to 01:27:155 -: piano
01:27:676 - to 01:29:583 -: piano and violin, apart from 01:29:583 (89583|0) - which is a finish

Hard
00:07:907 - to 00:17:444 - electric guitar, drums and kicks. Electric guitar is mapped by the LNs, drums are mapped every 2nd/4th beat, bass get every 1/2 snap that doesn't have a drum
00:17:444 - to 00:18:485 -: violins and drums
00:18:658 - to 00:19:005 -: piano glissando
00:19:005 - to 00:28:023 -: vocals, minus the bass at 00:24:034 (24034|5) -. There's vocal mapping in every section apart from the intro and outro, so assume they're listed in the appropriate sections
00:28:196 - to 00:29:757 -: violins and drums
00:30:103 - to 00:39:468 -: 1/1 kicks, minus 00:35:306 (35306|4,35479|5) - for the drums
00:39:641 - to 00:41:202 -: kicks/drums every 1/2 snap. 00:40:768 - should technically have a kick but this ruins the playability
00:41:549 - to 00:52:213 -: drums
00:52:300 - to 00:57:502 -: 1/1 kicks, apart from 00:52:300 (52300|1) - which is a finish
00:57:849 - to 01:00:450 -: 1/1 kicks and violins
01:00:624 - to 01:02:878 -: kicks/drums, with the exception of 01:00:624 (60624|0) - for the violin
01:03:398 - to 01:08:601 -: 1/1 kicks, with 01:03:398 (63398|2) - for extra emphasis at the start of the chorus
01:08:947 - to 01:11:202 -: drums/kicks, apart from the violin at 01:11:202 (71202|5) -
01:11:722 - to 01:14:410 -: drums
01:14:497 - to 01:19:699 -: 1/1 kicks
01:20:046 - to 01:21:086 -: violins
01:22:820 - to 01:25:248 -: 1/1 kicks
01:25:595 - to 01:27:155 -: piano
01:27:676 - to 01:29:583 -: piano and violins, minus 01:29:583 (89583|0) - for the finish

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If you're wondering why Normal has much more diversity in terms of what instruments were being mapped, it's because the beatmap would otherwise be extremely boring. The main percussion in this song is a 1/1 kick which never changes it's rhythm - apart from a small section between 00:41:202 - and 00:50:739 -
Hard can get away with the constant use of 1/1 kicks because vocals are diverse enough to map

As a side note, Normal always follows pitch relevancy. Hard also does this but it is removed when it affects playability too much

juankristal wrote:

In general I am unsure about the reason of the first green line (00:07:907 - ) so I think you have to remove it. You dont change sample, vol or SV at all. - opps

Hard

00:09:988 (9988|3,10681|1,11895|2) - Maybe its fine if you end up deleting this ones. You only use doubles in the long notes and I feel it might be more confortable without them. There is no real need to have doubles anyway so. - unlike what I've seen other mappers do, I'm adding one note for every sound. Using that point as example, there's a bass sound and an electric guitar sound - so there's two notes there. Same applies to stuff later on - like if drums and vocals happen at the same time there are two notes instead of one, like with 00:45:364 (45364|3,45364|2) - (I don't know why I chose an example so far into the piece)

00:15:537 (15537|2) - Maybe you can make this LN a bit shorter (00:16:924 - until here) and put the stream after it so it can be easier to hit and its a cool way to add emphasys to the drum change. Also, you will have more space to rearange the stream which being in just one hand can be a bit tricky. It is a Hard diff yeah, but the structure isnt really complex in general so that stream might be a bit out of place as it is. - I've changed the pattern at the moment. I'll see what some other people have to say about it. Maybe having this removed might make it more applicable to shorten the LN 00:17:444 (17444|0) - as well (here comes Prot's mod again)

00:22:473 (22473|2) - I am not too sure but if you are following vocals there is 2 vocals in this long note. (in the red 00:22:647 - ) - like I said before, I'm going to check other points for vocal inconsistencies. Thanks for this

00:24:381 - I would add 2 notes here (one in red and one in white tick) to add a mark to the bass sounds. Might work out - isn't the sound at 00:24:381 - a piano, not a bass? The reason why 00:24:034 (24034|5) - exists is because of the strong bass/drum at the same time. I was going to leave it out, to make this section more simplistic, but Lenfried and I think some other people said it was a bit strong to leave empty. Those other two points aren't significantly strong enough for me to add in more notes (as in, they have approximately the same strength as the rest of this section)

00:27:329 (27329|5) - Why not long note for the vocal? . I think it is a 1/2 LN - adding this in at the moment. Might be changed again when I do the whole vocals review. I knew vocal mapping was unconventional but I didn't realize that this many note length/amount problems would come from it

00:32:184 (32184|2,32184|0) - That should be a single note? - an example of vocals plus bass getting one note each. If there isn't a bass there I'll definitely remove the note, though

00:33:918 (33918|5) - Should be double? - single sounds get single notes. The bass sound happens without any vocals at the same time so there's only one note

00:33:572 (33572|1) - I think this long note and 00:34:439 (34439|1) - that one work better as single/double notes. Because there are 2 vocals in sequence. Using doubles to accent short long note sounds might be a good idea. (00:34:612 (34612|4) - plus that one should be double and doing this you kill two birds in one shot ) - I'm not sure what you mean by this T.T Either way, it might be revised when I do the vocal revision thing in the weekend

00:35:306 (35306|4,35479|5) - I would use them in the same column. Drums! / - opps. Another one of those inconsistencies

00:37:734 (37734|2,37734|3) - Should be single? - no, vocals/bass get a note each

00:39:121 (39121|2,39468|3) - Both singles, right? - 00:39:121 (39121|0,39121|2) - is vocals plus bass. 00:39:468 (39468|3) - is already a single

00:39:121 (39121|2) - I would add notes in the red ticks perhaps. Theyy follow the drums that you were previously using in the 1/4s so yeah. That section feels a bit empty and thats the reason. Plus you also have 00:47:791 - sections like that one to have a bit of a silence or break to make it really drum flowy - isn't the sounds at 00:39:121 - simply vocals and a kick, with no drums? I'm not sure what you mean by adding notes on the reds as well. 00:39:294 - doesn't have any drum (just electric bass and vocals). 00:39:641 (39641|5,39988|3) - have one note for the drums. Very strictly speaking, 00:40:335 (40335|4,40681|2) - should actually have notes for the kicks but that makes it a bit difficult (also why I left out 00:40:768 - for the time being) and ruins the downwards pattern for the drums/vocals. There's no drum at 00:41:028 -.
Maybe you're not even talking about here and I wasted my time

Well, the map in general feels a bit empty but it is fine at least in this section pre-chorus. Its like a bit of calm after the dense section with the 1/4s. One thing that bugs me a bit is that you dont use the 1/3s on the vocals ;_;
Maybe? The pointed note is an added one by me, I think it fits but its up to you. - the problem with how you've mapped the 1/3 snaps is the fact that I don't think it accurately portrays the vocal sounds. Since the pitch of the vocals are the same, there are three ways I'd map it. The first is what I've already done - simplifying the sound by notating it using one LN. I would also consider using an LN-wall-type pattern but that's a bit too difficult for the current SR. The last way that I think matches the lyrics is by using a trill with the notes being next to each other (I'm mapping two layers so this makes it much clearer that the trill is for the vocals). But this is also too difficult for the SR, especially since I think that a {0,1} trill looks the best.
The reason why I say that the pattern doesn't fit is because the vocals mainly follow pitch relevancy. The stairs imply a constant ascending or descending pitch. Yes, I have thrown away pitch relevancy before but that's because it's not always possible to notate every sound and keep a comfortable pattern (but if someone finds a more comfortable pattern that follows PR better, I'll probably change it). The vocal sounds seem to also be like an extra sound effect, unlike a different word/syllable/change in pitch - so I feel fine leaving it out. Then the LN with the release mirrors 00:52:127 (52127|5,52994|4) -, something that I think is quite nice.
(they are 1/3 snaps)

01:13:283 - Noooooo why not using that awesome piano stuff D:. Maybe something like this
To be honest I am quite unsure but its a really good part that you should consider doing something about haha - I see what you mean but mapping the drums fits quite well with the vocals. Having a nice descending line for the piano's PR (also looks better) is not going to work well when there are long LNs that hog up some columns. I'll get back to this if I find anything that looks/plays nice but it's probably going to stay the same

01:17:791 (77791|2) - That shouldnt be a long note I think - Damn vocal mapping
01:24:207 (84207|4) - Should be 1 long note combining this one and the previous one. - I'm quite sure there are two different syllables - the second part of 信 (shin) is sung, so 01:24:034 (84034|2) - for "sh" and 01:24:207 (84207|4) - for "in"

The rest looks alright - :D

Normal

00:28:196 (28196|1) - I think that plays better as a normal note. It kinda works to make it look as a 1/4 but the LN is just too short. - it'll be inconsistent with the 1/4 drum mapping if I change it to a 1/4 note. If I change the notation of the other 1/4 snapped drums to a single SN, I'll change this later
00:29:236 (29236|5) - Maybe that one as well as a single note (which would leave a double note over there to accent the long note ) - I really don't want to map a sustained note with a LN. It just feels wrong to me. Also, that'll make it inconsistent with stuff like 00:28:543 (28543|3) -, 00:55:075 (55075|5) - and 01:11:202 (71202|0) -

00:30:103 (30103|1,30277|1) - Ouch. I would suggest you to avoid using that kind of jacks in the whole diff. As a Normal diff it shouldnt be hard and those are quite hard. Not only because of the jack but also the hold and release that are shorts. - I'll see if I can get something that follows the music well enough (in my opinion) to make it easier
00:33:745 (33745|1,34265|2) - Also, this kind of holds are fine but I would change them into something easier as well. Keep in mind that the player needs to use the same hand in order to hold+release+press another note (and then jack lol). When you have simple holds and notes like that works better to split them a bit between the two hands. - these patterns are done like this because of pitch relevancy but if the above change is made, this section will probably go without it

00:55:075 (55075|4,55075|5,56462|4) - ^ - done

01:00:624 (60624|5,60624|2,60797|2) - That jack might be to hard. The following ones are "okey" - I'm most likely going to leave it as it is but if the changes to the jacks before happen I guess this might also change as well

01:13:283 (73283|2,73456|0,73629|5,73803|4,73976|3,74150|2,74323|1,74497|5,74497|0) - YES! - it was a bit boring without it Plus, the drums at the end, which are mapped by 01:14:150 (74150|4,74236|3,74323|2,74410|3,74497|4) - in Hard, doesn't play very well when it's the only layer being mapped

01:18:485 - Maybe rearrange this section into something that fits the drums better? - I'm sticking with 1/1 kick mapping. I might revise it later but I think 1/1 kicks and LNs are fine at the moment

That should be it. Once again, I am sorry for the huge delay D: - I've already told you, don't worry about it. I wouldn't have minded if you put it off for longer (seriously, though)

Hope that it works for you and wish you good luck for this set o7 - thanks
I think calling these two difficulties a "set" slightly amusing, though, since there's only two difficulties

Raediaufar wrote:

First, your hitsound is too loud. It's bad for my and everybody ears. Consider to use lower volume or just change your hitsound from normal to soft hitsound - the hitsounds have their current volume so they are audible when the music and effects volumes are equal. I intend for this to happen - I find it counter-intuitive when the effects volume needs to be much higher than the music volume to be able to hear the hitsounds, even if a lot of !mania maps require you to do this anyway. Being honest, I probably would have gone and made my hitsounds practically inaudible if it weren't for the small amount of time that I spend playing Taiko

click

00:07:907 (7907|4,9988|2,10681|3,11895|1,13456|3,15537|2,17444|0) - I don't understand with the LN mapping over here. There's much more clearer and louder synth sound that you can map - if you mean the violins, that would make the difficulty a bit hard - mapping that and the kicks/drums. The electric guitar is also loud enough to be audible - it's not one of those sounds that you need to turn up the volume and set the playback to 0.25 in order to hear.

00:16:924 (16924|3,17011|4,17098|5,17184|4,17271|3) - this pattern is tricky and not comfortable for hand, you can just put 00:17:184 (17184|4,17271|3) - on the "left hand column" (in 1, 2 or 3) maybe you try to follow the "pitch" here but the playability of this.. is really bad - changed. The pattern is now spread between the left and right hands

00:18:658 (18658|5,18745|4,18832|3,18918|2,19005|1) - the stairs should be snapped in 1/6 (I've aldready playing the taiko map of this and it's really 1/6) - It's a piano glissando, the notes in it are actually much more than 5, as I've mapped it, or 7, as that Taiko map has mapped it

uhh honestly I can't go any further since vocal mapping isn't my thing - I don't think it's anyone's thing

And I'm afraid that any BNs or QAT can accept vocal mapping. This is a really risky move - I know that vocal mapping isn't really done in mania - in fact, I can't actually think of any maps that have any difficulties centered around the vocals at all. But I don't see why I'm not allowed to. Vocals quite often have the most variety out of all the parts which, to me, makes the map more interesting to play. The percussion instruments in this song mainly have repetitive rhythms that can make playing the map slightly boring.
Then there's the fact that the vocals are the most prominent part in the song. There's no part in the song where there are vocals and you can't hear it. But other stuff, like the kicks that I've also mapped, can sometimes be missed. An example of this is at 00:40:768 -. I doubt that everyone would realize that there is a kick there.
Additionally, I don't see the difference between mapping the melody when it is sung in the vocals when compared to mapping the melody when an instrument plays it. They're both the melody so I don't see the difference.
If there is a reason why vocal mapping isn't accepted, I'll be happy to listen

Han Solo wrote:

Normal mod request

1. Are you planning on adding Insane and Another? I feel there's a lot of potential for harder difficulties. The intro is also missing, there's a lot of potential for cool patterns. I mean, 00:07:213 (7213|2) is pretty sick. - Not really sure about another difficulty. I guess I'll map the introduction, though
2. Also, to prevent confusion for the modder/player, please remove x Mod and x Old from the listing and have them somewhere as backup. - sorry about that D:
3. The hitsounds are rather loud as well (not to mention weird), so please fix that - there are new hitsounds from Protastic. They're probably better than the old ones

Before you read the mods, I have nothing against you and don't hate your map, let that be clear - I'm pretty sure this isn't needed, since you will definitely take (or learn to take) criticism during modding/mapping, but thanks for the thought behind it

Normal Mod

Mod

Maybe I'm rusty, but this felt really awkward to play, then I saw your post regarding how you decided to 'chart' your map.
I don't really give a firetruck on how you charted your Normal, it's just plain awful to play. As Soul Evans already wrote "i can't hear what you're following so it will need a rework i believe so" is very true. Put yourself in the boots of the player, do you think the player cares what you decided to follow when? Don't think so.
At the time I personally thought the sounds I was following were distinct enough to be heard, which is why I mapped them

I suggest you completely start over with Normal, and start charting the most obvious and clear sounds. In Normal, you want to introduce the player to the song, with simple patterns and distinctive sounds. Your reasoning "If you're wondering why Normal has much more diversity in terms of what instruments were being mapped, it's because the beatmap would otherwise be extremely boring." is probably your fault. You're probably not good enough to make interesting patterns.
When I said "If you're wondering why Normal has much more diversity in terms of what instruments were being mapped, it's because the beatmap would otherwise be extremely boring." I was referring to the 1/1 kicks that I was previously mapping. I didn't consider the fact that I could have added drums/etc on top of the 1/1 kicks (for some reason) for a bit more diversity as well.
When you say "You're probably not good enough to make interesting patterns" that's probably true - I haven't mapped for too long and I can be a bit slow when picking new things up
When you say "start charting the most obvious and clear sounds", I currently think that the part between 00:30:103 - and 00:39:641 -, with the electric bass mapping, is the only part with sounds that isn't very obvious. I'm assuming that drums are clear enough to be mapped and are the kicks. I think the piano, such as 01:13:283 - to 01:14:497 - and from 01:25:595 - to the end, and the violins, like from the opening to 00:18:485 - and between 00:57:849 - and 01:00:624 -, are also loud enough but melody doesn't seem to be mapped much so I'm not sure. If I'm wrong, please correct me
Thanks for the re-map suggestion. Those are always very helpful - when there are also reasons for the re-map and tips on how to improve the map/difficulty included, of course

I think you need to pull out your head from the sand and start to accept that Normal is just plain bad, no matter how you explain it. If you're actually going for rank, I really suggest you start listening to people such as Raediaufar and Soul Evans.
Raediaufar didn't say anything to say on Normal, unless he edited his post before I saw the Normal criticisms (or it's there and I still haven't noticed it yet).
I didn't listen to Soul Evans because he didn't give too much detail into what I should follow. He simply said he couldn't hear what he was following. Without giving examples of more distinct sounds, it's hard for me to believe what he said - especially since I believed that they could all be heard fine. I mean, you don't purposely try and map almost inaudible sounds for interest/difficulty, right?
Lastly, can you say exactly why you think that "Normal is just plain bad". You've elaborated on the fact that the sounds I've mapped aren't always the clearest (thanks for this) but the only other thing you said was that "this felt really awkward to play". Is it awkward because you don't know what I'm mapping or is the patterning bad? I'm not great at mapping so that's why I need those specific details

Hard Mod

Mod

Plays way better than Normal, Normal just feels really off D: - can you please elaborate on why this plays better than Normal? Because I really do believe I put in similar amounts of effort (relative to the note densities) and mapped them in similar ways. I'm really skeptical of this comment at the moment if you don't say why you think it's better than Normal
Don't use hitsounds to force patterns, you throw away a lot of sounds if you do so. - I don't get what you mean by "Don't use hitsounds to force patterns". I didn't use hitsounds to make patterns, I decided to map certain sounds during certain parts of the song to get an appropriate difficulty level. The hitsounds were given after the map was done, to make the layering more obvious.
Then, with "you throw away a lot of sounds if you do so", I can't take this any way but literally. I'm throwing away those sounds because those aren't what I'm mapping. I'm very sure I'm interpreting this completely wrong so please help me D:

1. 00:08:254 (8254|5) - These hats should be doubles, it's Hard - I'll will look at (i.e. half-remap) the bit between the start and 00:16:924 -. A re-mapping-like thing for this section would also be helpful in general
2. 00:09:121 (9121|2,9468|0) - Stuff like these piano notes could be doubles - as with above
3. 00:10:161 (10161|0) - Violin stuff could be holds - ^

There are also a lot of hats and smaller stuff you could chart as well.
I don't want to chart these unless I can hear them clearly, which I can't at the moment

The breakdown is also rather lacking. You chart the vocals with singles (I suggest holds) and completely ignore the percussion / piano. Use these sounds! Have percussion with singles, piano doubles and vocals with holds!
Is it really that bad to want to stick to certain parts during certain sections like I have done? One thing I hate a lot is not knowing what I'm playing and dropping layers multiple times within a single musical section. If I were to map, let's say, the piano in a section, I'd definitely keep that going for the rest of the difficulty - which will definitely make Hard turn into a... harder Hard. This is because I'm adding a note for every sound I'm mapping instead of giving certain sounds, like a crash, 3 (or whatever number you choose) notes whenever it appears - regardless of how many other instruments are playing at the time. I guess I could try making a third difficulty mapping more instruments, though.

I could go on and on, and nitpicking everything you missed, but you get the basic gist. I highly suggest you check out ranked 6K charts like Wintersun (Bobby D'Ambrosio Mix), Granat and Happy End of the World. - will do

Cipse wrote:

Stuff

Han Solo wrote:

didn't expect you to be so open-minded

Han Solo wrote:

Stay tuned for the ideas and such, that'll take some time

• some parts could be improved. exactly what Han's said. For me, when I mapping. I stick to the mindset that loud noise could used more than one note. kick could be two, cymbal could be three notes. depends on how loud the instrument on the music gives it.

1. 00:08:254 (8254|5,8947|5) -
   
   Literally i'm with Han Solo here that any notes with LR_Snare Drum (He said hats) could use some doubles. The sound/noise are basically more louder from the rest of Single Notes spreaded nearby. (Kick could also be double, but uhhh.... you decide)
   
2. 00:19:352 - Starting here
   Some kicks could use double as well. Also, mania isnt like std who mapped mostly vocal (I do this once on my map, getting qualified, and then DQ-ed after some feedback. "they didnt really like vocal mapping").
   You might get the idea after you see below img
   
   as you could see. Single notes represents synth, double represent kick.
   Vocal mapping isnt wrong at all, but most of the community (especially mania) dislike it. Just keep it in mind. unless they're blended with the instrument pretty well.
   
3. 00:34:092 (34092|2,34265|3,34439|1,34612|4,34786|0,34959|5,35132|1) - this is somehow cool to be pressed xD fortunately the vocal are blended with guitar so thats kinda make sense
   
4. 00:33:745 (33745|0,33918|5) - hmm move them to 6|1 respectively
   
5. 00:35:479 (35479|2) - could be two notes like below ( - 00:35:306 (35306|3,35306|2) - ). Same loudness, same pitch
   
6. 00:50:913 - its kinda messed up my hands xD. some suggestion
   
   
7. 01:11:202 - how about this?....
   
   
8. 01:21:086 (81086|2,81260|1) - 6|3 respectively? that could be more comfy i guess

somehow I managed to FC it in the first try, but still. the way you layer is kind of odd xD

Finally, a short reply

Rivals_7 wrote:

Hi o/ Mod request from my queue - Hi
Sorry if this somehow turns out to be nitpicky mod :u dont hate me pls ;w; - it would be kinda stupid if I asked you for a mod and then hated you because of you how modded
Sorry for bad english (and spelling error) - I don't think anyone minds how you spell

[General]
There's 2 Mp3's on your folder?? which one did you use? Pls delete one of them, they're wasting my internet quota :v - I've checked again and still can't find the second .mp3. If it's still there, can someone tell me the name cause I'm too dumb to find it >.>

Disable widescreen support if you didnt use any Storyboard - done. I found the mod which said to disable widescreen support, p/5246850#p5246850, and I'm pretty sure I disabled it then. I'll keep an eye on it for later

[Hard]

• some parts could be improved. exactly what Han's said. For me, when I mapping. I stick to the mindset that loud noise could used more than one note. kick could be two, cymbal could be three notes. depends on how loud the instrument on the music gives it. - I'll fix that

1. 00:08:254 (8254|5,8947|5) -
   Literally i'm with Han Solo here that any notes with LR_Snare Drum (He said hats) could use some doubles. The sound/noise are basically more louder from the rest of Single Notes spreaded nearby. (Kick could also be double, but uhhh.... you decide) - I'll probably give the snares doubles, not sure about the kicks at the moment (since I think they're kinda soft). The first section is getting a remap soon and I'll do that then
   
2. 00:19:352 - Starting here
   Some kicks could use double as well. Also, mania isnt like std who mapped mostly vocal (I do this once on my map, getting qualified, and then DQ-ed after some feedback. "they didnt really like vocal mapping"). - rip. Funnily enough, though, I've never really played !s though - I went straight into !mania. I didn't realize there were such things as autoconverts as well, so I only played "proper" difficulties. The other two game-modes didn't get much attention until after I played !m for a bit as well
   You might get the idea after you see below img - thanks for the screenshot, those really help
   
   as you could see. Single notes represents synth, double represent kick.
   Vocal mapping isnt wrong at all, but most of the community (especially mania) dislike it. Just keep it in mind. unless they're blended with the instrument pretty well. - bleh, I guess Hard is also getting a remap, this time without the vocals

• If I wasn't going to remap Hard, this is what the rest of the mod would look like:

1. 00:34:092 (34092|2,34265|3,34439|1,34612|4,34786|0,34959|5,35132|1) - this is somehow cool to be pressed xD fortunately the vocal are blended with guitar so thats kinda make sense - I'll keep this in mind, maybe it'll be in the next version
   
2. 00:33:745 (33745|0,33918|5) - hmm move them to 6|1 respectively - I should have known >.> Hand balance is much better now
   
3. 00:35:479 (35479|2) - could be two notes like below ( - 00:35:306 (35306|3,35306|2) - ). Same loudness, same pitch - I'm adding one note per sound (yes, I am/was layering weirdly). At 00:35:306 -, one SN was for the bass and the other for the drums. In all honesty, this will be changed to two SNs (if I keep the pattern) in the remap because keep the number of notes consistent with other maps (for example, drums get x notes, kicks get y notes, etc)
   
4. 00:50:913 - its kinda messed up my hands xD. some suggestion - lol. Applied all apart from 00:51:953 -, which I like better in {5}, 00:52:127 -, which is now {4+6}, and 00:52:213 -, in {3}. I didn't like the jump between 00:52:127 -/00:52:213 - and 00:52:300 (52300|0,52300|1) - since I think it makes it harder to play since the pattern isn't stepwise; there are heaps of {x,x+1,x+2...} and {x,x-1,x-2...} patterns so I think that would make it easier to play
   
   
5. 01:11:202 - how about this?.... - also applied, apart from the fact that 01:11:202 - is {2+6} instead of {1+6}. Not sure why I think it feels better, maybe it's because the LN in {1} would have made a shield with 01:11:895 (71895|0) -
   
   
6. 01:21:086 (81086|2,81260|1) - 6|3 respectively? that could be more comfy i guess - done

some testplay results

somehow I managed to FC it in the first try, but still. the way you layer is kind of odd xD - I know, one note per sound is different to what I've seen other people do so I'm going to change that in the remap

GL getting this qualified~ - thanks

Chronocide wrote:

1-2-3-4-5-6

Normal Mod

1. 00:00:971 (971|5) - Sounds complex, right? It's not, really, the violin is easy to follow. Something like would probably work? - added but I followed pitch relevancy a bit more than you did. I'm not sure about the last two notes - I'm either going to keep the violin by itself or extend the second to last LN to make one for the violins and the other for the drums
2. 00:07:907 (7907|5,8080|4,8254|3) - Are charted to the bass (cello?), so for consistency, you have to add 00:08:774 (8774|3) a note there, and here as well 00:09:814 (9814|1) - I'm not sure whether you're talking about the electric bass, which I can't hear without turning up the volume, or the violin. I'm pretty sure you mean the violin, since the electric bass is practically inaudible (to me, at least). Also, a lot of the editor links are screwed up - for some reason, they kept taking me to the wrong timings, which was slightly confusing (don't ask me why cause I don't know). that's the electric bass and piano playing, no violins
3. 00:12:762 (12762|3) - This one should be removed, it's kinda confusing. These 00:12:242 (12242|0,12416|1,12589|2) are bass, so that note would suggest bass as well. If you don't want to remove it, you can move it, though. Something like 1 or 6. - I'm sure there is a violin note at 00:12:762 (12762|3) -. What I think you meant is that there isn't a note at 00:12:589 -, that's the piano there
4. 00:13:283 (13283|2) - Bass note - I'm sure the violin is sustained - I can hear an electric bass, though
5. 00:14:150 (14150|5,14323|3) - Very audible piano notes, add those as well, because you have them 00:15:017 (15017|0,15364|0) there as well. - I'll actually delete 00:15:364 (15364|0) -, which is the piano. But 00:15:017 (15017|0) - is the violin
6. 00:15:190 (15190|5,15537|5) - Some percussion notes - I'm going to change the beginning of this difficulty, since I think I should just map percussion all the way (when it's there, of course). These percussion notes will be added in the Hard remap, along with the violins
7. 00:29:410 (29410|3) - It's not related to any of the previous note, but I think you can feel the missing note here. - it was added in the remap
8. 00:30:103 (30103|1) - This is were the chart becomes a bit awkward. This section should be the same as 00:19:005 (19005|2). The player expects the same, since, well, it's a very similiar part. So chart the percussion here as well. - the remap is just like this now
9. 00:41:202 (41202|2) - ^, especially if you start introducing new sounds and a new style, remember, this is Normal! It's supposed to be for the beginners - I kept the sounds I've mapped the same. I've done this because the remap includes drum and kicks, not just kicks, so this section shouldn't really be any different (apart from the fact that it's more dense). If I make an Easy, I'll keep this in mind. If this section is still terrible, though, just say
10. 00:38:427 (38427|3,38601|1,38774|2,38947|3,39121|4,39294|2) - These should be charted 00:39:641 (39641|5) to 00:41:202 (41202|2) there as well - this part got nuked in the remap
11. 00:54:034 (54034|4,54381|3,54728|2) - Percussion like this should be split hand (1-6-2-5-3-4), imo, plays better. - I would have done this if I kept the old map
12. 01:03:398 (63398|3) - This part is good, you have the percussion like you did before with some added holds. - It's mostly the same in the remap
13. 01:08:947 (68947|4) - Also good, easy to follow and such - these are all doubles now, for consistency with the remap >.>
14. 01:13:456 (73456|0) - This is just my preferrence http://puu.sh/pOGIB/b29c4068b8.jpg - I think it currently looks better, since the piano part is descending. 01:13:283 (73283|2,73456|0) - has a gap because {2,1} feels weird to play
15. 01:25:595 (85595|5) - Everything before this part is also good, but in this part you're missing the percussion, which you have been following the entire song, so add those as well - will do when I fully complete the Normal remap
16. 01:29:236 (89236|3,89410|4,89583|5) - Same pitch, so jack? - too many people said it was too hard but now the SR is up to ~2* it should be fine. Not sure if I'm actually keeping this part the same - it was originally intended to be that was but it now feels outdated and weird

The key to a good 'easy' difficulty is consistency. Map the most audible sounds and continue to do so the entire chart. Hope it helps! - it does. This advice also applies to Hard and Easy, if I decide to make (another) one. Also, if you see the remap and it's still terrible please say so

doykyoto wrote:

i will wait until all diffs are done.. pm me again and i will mod ur map. sorry for being late

Protastic101 wrote:

Hi, here to fulfill my m4m end, oh look an Australian mapper, give me emu pls?

Kiwi when?

Control A, del

Sorry for short mod, hope this helped!

Protastic101 wrote:

Hi, here to fulfill my m4m end, oh look an Australian mapper, give me emu pls?

col 1->6 - might as well use this in my reply

Kiwi when?

[General]

1. Increase your OD to 7 on Easy you undermapper.
2. Use OD 7.2 or some shit on Normal
3. Wtf is up with this OD/HP 8/8 on Hard? You tryin a fokin kill mi m8? Set that shit to ~7.5 or something. I'm fokin trifgered nao

[Some EZPZ lemon squeezy fucking shit here]00:07:213 (7213|2,7907|5) - Swap these columns, this LN on the same hand is ugly af sir. - T R I G G E R E D
00:17:444 - This is a crash pls use double - pls mai earz cnt hair dem
00:24:034 (24034|4) - Move to 4, plays nicer to use the right index finger when you use the entire left hand for notes and stuff. - I think it's less comfortable, since there's so many notes before and after in {4} but none in {5}
00:39:294 (39294|3) - pls what kind of drugs you on, move this shit to 00:39:468 - better than your inconsistencies :^)
00:39:641 - This LN makes me want to shoot myself fam, try this instead https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6196439 Also, cause the 1/2 works as a nice transition into the next section, like pls, the toms are so sad you ignored it. - not using doubles -_- but applying the general thing, I think
00:51:780 (51780|2,52300|1) - Swap columns to go from outside columns {1 and 6} to middle columns {2 and 5}. then inside columns at 00:52:647 (52647|2,52994|3) - idk. Leaving it as it is, since I don't really think that the change impacts anything much but the new patterning messes with the patterning before and after this point.
00:55:075 - Why not use an LN or something here for the stuttered vocals? Actually no, that's a stupid fucking idea, what am I doing with life. - :^)
00:57:329 - Way to completely ignore a tomroll you shit lord. Add an LN or some shit in 3 pls. - Done, I guess. Might need to ask you for stuff about it later, since I don't like {3} (or just fix it properly myself)
01:11:722 - Add another note, there's a double here you undermapper. Wtf taught you to map, I needa go beat their ass for them not teaching you to use doubles for crashes in easy. (jkjk, <3) - I learnt mapping off you. Beat your own ass :^)
01:14:150 (74150|3) - Another column pls, preferably on the left hand since finger independence is rip at this level. - done, I think
01:21:433 (81433|1,81780|5,82127|1,82473|5) - Intentional? Vary the columns a bit, or idk. - intentional. wH odO u thInKi aM?
01:25:595 - Add variation to the map and map to the violin here instead of the drum. You've used 1/1 rhythms all over, try 3/2 like this now https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6196465 - not too sure about this. idk, I'll poke you later. That looks ways too difficult for the Easy. And then you have those LNs which don't look easy to play for a beginner

[This fokin Normal is 2 Normal 2 b Normal shit, u get mi fam?]00:17:271 (17271|4,17271|3) - Shift this one to the left to avoid an ugly af 1/1 jack at 00:16:924 (16924|4,17271|4) - I want to separate the chords into two different hands. If you shift 00:17:271 (17271|3) - to the left, you'll get that note followed by 00:17:444 (17444|0,17444|1) - in the same hand and that just feels bad to me
00:24:034 (24034|3,24207|2) - Flip hands, pls, I hate {46} doubles and we all know the world revolves around me. - I personally like it as it is. I'll test it some more later and change it if I like it (and edit this comment here). Changed
00:29:236 (29236|1) - Move this to 3 fam - I guess so. I wanted the notes on LH/RH to be on the same finger but this works decently enough. Also, the LN on the bass looks less ugly this way. After coming back to this, I actually think this part now looks ugly :/ Oh well
00:29:757 (29757|2) - Now move this to 2 and make it into a 1/1 LN for the bass guitar like at 00:24:034 (24034|5) - answered above
00:40:508 - What about flipping the pattern around, so that the notes start open, then close, then open again, like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6196493 - that feels real weird, lol
00:50:739 (50739|0) - Move this to 2, then move 00:51:086 (51086|3,51086|1) to {12} or something. Basically, it's hard to hit those two doubles 00:51:086 (51086|3,51086|1,51433|1,51433|3) when there's a 1/2 left minitrill. 00:51:086 (51086|1,51260|2,51433|1) and blurgh (i missed here pls) - I don't like the new one, since there's this double thing with 00:50:739 (50739|1,51086|1) -. Also, I hate {1+2}, it feels weird to me. I do think that the pattern needs some changing, though, but just not to what you suggested.
00:52:127 (52127|3,52127|2) - Pls, the violin starts at 00:51:953 , so remove the LNs and turn 00:51:953 (51953|1,51953|4) into 1/1 LNs. - that was technically meant to be mapping 1/4 snapped drum-things but I'll just turn those LNs into SNs again
00:58:369 (58369|5) - Pls, LN is reasonable, but it sticks out like a sore thumb in the middle of all these short notes and makes it awkward to play. - Feels fine to me :/ I'll probably reconsider if someone mentions this, though
01:00:103 (60103|0) - This too, why? There's no drum roll and the violin is 1/2. - I thought there is a drum roll. I'll confirm later. Never mind, lol
01:00:624 (60624|2,60624|5,60797|5,60797|2) - For the next 6 doubles, I'd consider making the chords go like {12} - {34} - {56} or vice versa. or you can do symmetrical like {16} - {25} - {34} - going to have to ask stuff irc, cause I think it's fine
01:07:213 (67213|1,67387|0) - Control J to get a {1-2-3} pattern which is easier to play imo cause rolls and stuff. - I like it at the moment because you get {1+6} at 01:07:387 -. Same finger for chords feel nice imo. I think I'm keeping it as it is
01:08:947 - Good fucking job, I approve of these stupid af patterns that I'm totally not going to steal later <3 - I legit don't know what you're talking about
01:11:722 - HOW THE FUCK YOU SAY YOU DON'T HEAR THIS DAMN CRASH? IT COMES IN LIKE, "BOOMWERGOIHUEVBBKJF;IBE;BIIERBVOE HEAR MEEEEE" - what's a crash :^)
01:17:965 (77965|3,78485|2) - Put these on the other hand pls, LNs are annoying enough for players at lower difficulty levels, but you're just killing them by putting them in the same hand on 6k. - changed or something, maybe permanently. I just hate going from one LN to another with one hand. Just feels weird to me :< Also looks ugly to me :/
01:18:485 (78485|1,78832|0,79699|0) - *screams* Think about it. You're holding down your left middle finger right? Try tapping with your ring finger now. It's uncomfortable af, at least for me. Swap the columns of those notes so that the LN is in 1 and the notes in 2 or something. - then there's that problem of moving the LN to another place because I want to use {1}. I just ignored it before cause I didn't think that putting long LNs in just {1} and {3} were going to do any good
01:29:236 (89236|2,89236|1,89410|4,89410|3,89583|0,89583|1) - Why. It's the end of the song, make it pweddi pls. try this instead https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6196526 - you'll be missing a note at 01:29:063 - and that'll break the symmetry and make it look ugly. Also, I don't think that pattern looks good anyway >.> (sorry). Keeping the original, rip

[Hardy party something shit, idek, I need to go to sleep, help me with chem pls, I'm going to die]00:06:520 - I'm going to scream again, brb. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6196539 Symmetry with the LNs and ending double, plus a one directional roll to differentiate 1/3 vs 1/4. - the violin really doesn't need a second LN. Other then that, it should be fine
00:16:924 (16924|5,17011|4) - Shift this one to the right for a symmetrical roll. - hao to move right. Anyway, moving them left will get rid of 00:16:924 (16924|5,16924|0) -, with the same fingers in different hands playing at the same time. Feels nice to me. Having it different is not worth the symmetry, imo
00:17:271 (17271|4,17271|3) - If accepted, make this {16} as a cap. I also think that's a good way of ending a section but idk. - .
00:17:444 (17444|2) - Move to 5 if above was accepted. Again, this is 6k, focus on even distribution of notes and symmetry. - also .
00:18:485 (18485|5) - Where's the LN for this, pls. It's the same violin as all the other LNs, and the piano roll don't start til 00:18:658 so you got time. - opps
00:18:485 (18485|0,18658|3,18745|2,18832|1,18918|0) - Control H and shift all the way to the left. Easier to lead into 00:19:005 (19005|4,19005|5) since you don't have to change direction in that case. - I don't like transitioning from an LN end at {5} to {4+6}. Feels weird to me and it also ruins 00:18:485 (18485|5,18485|0) - If you apply the change above, you get 00:18:312 (18312|4,18485|5,18485|3) -. I personally find it really uncomfortable to play, so I'm keeping it as it is. 00:18:918 (18918|3,19005|4,19005|5) - also feels bad to me. idk why but {4,5+6}, {3,2+1}, {1,2+3} and {6,5+4} all feel bad to me so I'm limiting them, especially since 1/4 is the smallest snap in the difficulty as well - those patterns are acceptable to me with 1/2 snaps in this difficulty. I might have to review Easy/Normal to make sure I didn't do this on them. 00:19:005 (19005|4,19005|5) - being in a different direction also emphasizes the new section. It's not a significant reason for keeping the pattern, just a nice add-on.
00:35:653 (35653|1) - Move this to 1? Then it's just like a minijumptrill except in 1/2 because who needs pp in this day and age. - slightly different patterning to the drums beforehand due to the fact that that's mapping a kick. Also, I'm not sure what you mean, entirely :/
00:40:335 (40335|2,40335|3,40508|1,40508|4) - Control J, I think it's easier to hit when your fingers don't have to change flow direction all of a sudden at 00:40:681 . So works as a transition from 1/2 to 1/4. - done
00:43:803 (43803|1,43890|0) - Y so crool. Consider making this lead into 00:43:976 (43976|4,43976|5) as a roll of some sort. - aw, I liked that because it felt bad
00:47:965 (47965|3,48051|5) - ^^ Control J. - aw *2
00:51:086 (51086|1,51173|2,51260|3,51260|4) - Nah fam, it'd be cooler to make this gradually go up, so shift this 1 to the left. - I really don't like how the new patterning has a {3+4} chord in the middle but I'll change it now (might revert in the future)
00:51:780 (51780|5,51866|3,51953|0,51953|2) - Make this like the previous double, but one to the right. So like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6196570 - I really don't like that {5+6} chord at 00:51:953 -. idk, I just have a thing against them :/
00:57:329 - Come get yer daily dose o symmetry here https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6196574 - plz. needs more testing I think I like the current pattern better. Alternating between two hands for each note is kinda difficult for me lol pp map
01:02:878 (62878|2,62878|3) - Previous double was also {34}, vary it by making this one {25}. - player won't notice :^)
01:03:398 - *cries in agony* - IM CHANGING IT NOW OMG PLZ STOP
01:07:213 (67213|3,67387|3) - This jack especially. If you don't jack LNs in this section, don't jack it here pls. Kthx. - uh, I did use jacks for LNs. Unless I'm missing something
01:29:236 (89236|4,89236|3,89410|4,89410|3) - Make them different doubles? You used different doubles in the previous two diffs, so it's kind of inconsistent across the difficulties (tho I don't mind it that much, just a stylistic thing I guess). - ugh, need to test this. Probably going to change it to be consistent with the other difficulties, since I'm me I think I choose the patterning because it was very similar to the stuff before it (in the same difficult) but it doesn't sound that similar so I guess I'll look for a fix. ETA: idk

Sorry for short mod, hope this helped! 10/10 accent, pls talk moar. Oh yeah, and happy fucking birthday you shitlord, I sincerely hope I'm on time with that congratz. - I swear, I've never talked before. That's just siblings -_-
And you were a day early :^) (you know that now anyway)