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Ph0X
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Ph0X
It's me again!

Where 'me' is 'strager'.

Vote log
DiamondCrash: Wojjan
rust45: 0_o
meronmyon: 0_o
Mashley: Two
Wojjan: matthewtck
Two: Wojjan
Mashley: matthewtck
Nakata Yuji: Mashley
Oyashiro Beatrice: Wojjan
Nakata Yuji: Wojjan
Two: Nakata Yuji
NoHItter: Nakata Yuji
Mashley: Nakata Yuji
meronmyon: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: -
rust45: -
rust45: Nakata Yuji
Oyashiro Beatrice: Nakata Yuji
Two: -
strager: Two
pieguy1372: Two
Nakata Yuji: -
Two: Mashley
Wojjan: (no lynch)
Two: Mashley

Current votes
Nakata Yuji (5) - meronmyon, Mashley, Oyashiro Beatrice, NoHItter, rust45
Two (2) - strager, pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Two
No lynch (1) - Wojjan

I'm interested in hearing your opinions of Two's case against Mashley, 0_o.
0_o
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Joined December 2008
0_o
Alright, regarding Two's coverup of Nataka's role: I think it's completely legitimate. If Nataka's role is important then it would be in the town's best interest to keep his role a secret, and also to be aware that his role was posted so the town doesn't vote him out.

Now Mashley I'm not sure what to think of. I can see Two's point with Mash acting overly cute and innocent, but I really don't know him well enough to know if that behaviour's out of the ordinary or not. However if the vote is between Nataka, Two and Mash, I would feel safest voting for Mash.

So vote Mashley.
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
Should have done this sooner, but Unvote, Vote No Lynch since I no longer have a reason to suspect Nataka.
Someone in IRC asked me why I was voting for Nataka and I really couldn't think why I should be voting for her, other than wanting to have a vote on someone, which is stupid tbh. :?
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Mashley wrote:

Should have done this sooner, but Unvote, Vote No Lynch since I no longer have a reason to suspect Nataka
OK Mashley. When you unvote, please give a reason.
You have no longer any reason to suspect Nakata? Elaborate.

Edit: Nice edit Mashely

Wait.... so you're now saying that you're vote was nothing but a jump on the bandwagon even after you justified it on the same post?

Vote: Mashley
Nakata Yuji
471 posts
Joined April 2009
Nakata Yuji
I'm going to be totally honest.
I want to stay in this, so Vote: Mashely. I understand I'll likely lose because I reached 5 way before if he gets another vote, but if Mash gets another afterwards or I lose mine, I'll be okay.

If you find this suspicious, then rest assured I'm not pulling any crap, I'm just trying to stay alive.
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
Sorry, why are you guys voting for me? No, it wasn't a bandwagon vote NoHItter because I was the first person to vote for Nataka. Recently after talking to strager I realised that it was silly to vote nataka because after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
Two_old
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Joined March 2008
Two_old

Mashley wrote:

after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
no you weren't the first person to vote for them, you were the third (I was first, nohitter was second)

also what does the part I quoted even mean
Mashley
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Mashley

Two wrote:

Mashley wrote:

after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
no you weren't the first person to vote for them, you were the third (I was first, nohitter was second)

also what does the part I quoted even mean
Wait, I wasn't? Okay then. Should probably have checked that first...
Mashley
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Mashley

Nakata Yuji wrote:

magikarp
Here it is. Nataka, tell us all why would said this, please?
Nakata Yuji
471 posts
Joined April 2009
Nakata Yuji
If I wanted to tell you, I already would have. Bringing up such a minor detail would be futile in some sort of salvation, you're just grasping at straws at this point in time.

Though I'll give you a hint.
What is a magikarp?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
a magic... carp?
Nakata Yuji
471 posts
Joined April 2009
Nakata Yuji
You're over-analyzing buddy. Actually, it's a useless tidbit of information that I give you when you figure out, but veterans might be able to discern its use.

EDIT:
It's almost as if Mash already knows what it means. It almost sounds like he's trying to imply that I have some sort of shady connection with him. Come to think about it, we had a little private conversation a while back.

But since he know's I'm clean, then obviously there's something more since I don't confer with him.
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Ph0X
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Ph0X
(Posting for strager.)

Nakata Yuji wrote:

You're over-analyzing buddy. Actually, it's a useless tidbit of information that I give you when you figure out, but veterans might be able to discern its use.
Here's how to stop being a dick.

  1. If the information you are hiding is detrimental to yourself if publicly known, state that.
  2. If the information you are hiding is detrimental to the Town if known by the Mafia, state that.
  3. If the information you are hiding is detrimental to a specific player or group of players if known by a specific player or group of players, state that.
  4. If the information you are hiding is incriminating another player, state that. If possible, state the evidence so we can consider the evidence appropriately.
  5. If you are hiding the information for some other, state that, and state the reason.
  6. If you are not hiding any information, state that.
If you do not respond appropriately, my vote's going to you, Nakata.

Clearly, if you were trying to 'save your ass from the lynch', you would have already done one of the above (or some option I may have missed).
Nakata Yuji
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Nakata Yuji
fine, if you're so eager to know.


magikarp --> splash.

That's really it d00d
rust45
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Joined May 2009
rust45
I have less of a reason to vote for Nakata and so I'm just gonna unvote for now and vote when I hopefully come back.

And my reason is that Nakata recents posts are giving me townie vibe, I just hope I'm right.
rust45
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rust45
Alright, I've decided, gonna Vote: Two as I think he is being way too offensive especially with his respones to Nakata.
Two_old
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Two_old
I think he is being way too offensive especially with his respones to Nakata.
SPOILER
0_o
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0_o
Yeahhh I'm pretty sure every post Two has ever made in mafia has been offensive.
Mashley
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Mashley

Nakata Yuji wrote:

fine, if you're so eager to know.


magikarp --> splash.

That's really it d00d
Yes, that is it. That's the most important thing.
bearing019
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bearing019
So, Nakata, why have you changed from trying to get yourself killed to trying to keep yourself alive, hm?
Nakata Yuji
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Nakata Yuji

DiamondCrash wrote:

So, Nakata, why have you changed from trying to get yourself killed to trying to keep yourself alive, hm?
Why, I can't want to stay alive?
everyone's seen through the joker facade by now, i would hope you have too
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
Day's End Votecount

matthewtck (0)
pieguy1372 (0)
strager (0)
0_o (0)
DiamondCrash (0)
Mashley (4) - Two, 0_o, NoHitter, Nakata Yuji
NoHitter (0)
Oyashiro Beatrice (0)
meronmyon (0)
Nakata Yuji (2) - mernomyon, Oyashiro Beatrice
Two (3) - strager, pieguy1372, rust45
Wojjan (0)
rust45 (0)
No Lynch (2) - Wojjan, Mashley

Not Voting (2) - matthewtck, DiamondCrash

Mashley is at L-3!
At deadline, the player with the highest number of votes, Mashley, is lynched!


WARNING: Lynch scenes spring directly from the mind of the mod and have nothing to do with individual players' alignments.

Approaching a nearby beach, the school of fish argued over who was who. Was Nakata Yuji a predator? Some sort of fish that bred by dying? Just an ordinary fish? Then there was that Mashley character. He'd been acting suspicious towards the end of the day, and the fish were mulling around. First one fin, then another pointed accusingly at Mashley. Nakata Yuji was the last, flipping him up onto the sands of the beach to flop around, suffocating. Mashley gave one last, pained look towards the school as he died, and whispered, "It wasn't...me..."

Mashley, Sea Bass (town), lynched Day 1
It is now NIGHT. Anyone who posts in thread will be punished. Please send in actions by forum PM to the mod. Actions not sent in or actions sent on an invalid target will be randomized.
Oyashiro Beatrice is being replaced. Night will not end until I have done so.
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Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
Lybydose has replaced Oyashiro Beatrice! Night will end on August 31st. Any actions not sent in will be randomized.
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
It is morning now, and the fish wake up to a nasty surprise. There in the water, with tendrils of blood diffusing out from their dead bodies, float matthewtck and Nakata Yuji. The school is at first too shocked to do anything, but soon realize that although Nakata Yuji was a harmless tuna, matthewtck has some rather...large...fangs. In fact, on further inspection, he appears to be a piranha, much feared. Pondering this strange twist, the school turns to each other to argue out another long day.

matthewtck, Piranha (mafia) and
Nakata Yuji, Tuna (town)
are now dead and out of the game.

Day 2 will end on September 14, or when a majority of votes has been reached. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
(strager)

Vote: Two
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Vote: Two

He seemed to want to lynch both Nakata Yuji and Mashley, who were both Town. And he didn't really have much of a reason for accusing Mashley, IMO. I think he secretly just wants to get townsfolk killed. I may be wrong, but it's the best I can do at this point.
rust45
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rust45
Gonna Vote: Two

For the same reason as the day before, being offensive to Nakata, and now with Nakata dead and being town, it makes me suspect him more.
0_o
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0_o
Why are you people saying he was trying to lynch Nataka? Two saw his role and unvoted, and also tried to convince everyone else not to vote for him.

EDIT: Sorry, gotta throw this in too. Statistically, the odds of lynching a townsperson (or fish) the first day is very high, especially since matthew was a predator and never had the chance to be incriminated. So imo the argument that Two started the Mashley lynch doesn't hold a whole lot of water.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I meant before he unvoted. Also, Two could have done that whether he was Mafia or not.
Two_old
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Two_old
k first of all, rust45, I wasn't "offensive" to nakata, read 0_o's post

Second, I have a few things to confess to you all.

1. I never saw Nakata's role. I pretended that I did.

2. I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.

As you may have guessed from #2, I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted. I initially avoided talking about their role in the thread as much as possible so that the mafia would need to gamble on them being aux. The reason why I mentioned it in irc was so that other people could do my work (convincing mafia that nakata was valuable) for me.

I find a few things strange about the opening posts for today though. Why is it that people so readily started to bandwagon on someone who was against the lynching of the person who was night killed, and why has no one talked about the fact that two people died at night?
rust45
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rust45

Two wrote:

2. I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
Please explain this, why would you want someone dead but not by lynch?
Two_old
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Two_old
if you'll look 1 line down I did explain it
Ph0X
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Ph0X
(Any post by Ph0X is a post by strager. I don't feel like posting this little disclaimer each time.)

Two wrote:

Why is it that people so readily started to bandwagon on someone who was against the lynching of the person who was night killed
WIFOM. This is certainly not a valid defense, nor is it a valid case against you.

Two wrote:

and why has no one talked about the fact that two people died at night?
Only those involved have an inclination to mention it. This is similar to Doctors (GA's in WWG terminology) commenting on the success of their protection the following day.

Your statement makes me further believe you were involved in one of the previous night's killings. You're therefore even closer to being a Mafia in my eyes (see my vote).
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Interesting turn of events.

Two wrote:

I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
You claim you wanted to have Nakata be a "decoy". You wanted the mafia to nightkill him, because he would seem important to you.

Two wrote:

I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.
Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.

In effect you gambled on her being townie or not, yet your statements imply that you knew 100% that she was townie.
This is disturbing to me since the only people that know for sure whether someone is townie or not is scum.
Not to mention that if your explanation was accepted (Nakata is decoy), your actions the previous day would be somewhat reasonable.

On a side note: Even roleclaiming wouldn't guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that she was townie.

Vote: Two
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Vote: Two to get him to majority.
Two_old
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Two_old

NoHItter wrote:

Two wrote:

I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.
Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.
How would me knowing based on how they posted only make sense "if I've seen their roleclaim"?

Yeah I did know 100% that they were town and I did know 100% that they were vanilla. If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed. In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Two wrote:

In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
???

I don't see your logic.
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
Good Morning Votecount

pieguy1372 (0)
strager (0)
0_o (0)
DiamondCrash (0)
NoHitter (0)
Lybydose (0)
meronmyon (0)
Two (5) - strager, pieguy1372, rust45, NoHitter, Wojjan
Wojjan (0)
rust45 (0)

Not Voting (2) - 0_o, DiamondCrash, Lybydose, meronmyon, Two

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch...
Two is at L-1!
0_o
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0_o
I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well. Also there AREN'T any vanilla roles this game:

OP wrote:

Furthermore, while there will be near-vanilla roles, EVERY role has at least one night action. This will hopefully keep the game more interesting and involving for the players.
Everybody has a role that's at least somewhat interesting.

But here's what baffles me about your post: If Nataka posted his role, and nobody saw it, then how did you know he posted his role?
Disregard that, I can't read.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

0_o wrote:

I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well. Also there AREN'T any vanilla roles this game:

OP wrote:

Furthermore, while there will be near-vanilla roles, EVERY role has at least one night action. This will hopefully keep the game more interesting and involving for the players.
Everybody has a role that's at least somewhat interesting.
I've had a theory about this (and not in response to Two's comment; this goes back to Day 1). I guess it's time to make that theory public.

I think the vanilla role has "splash". Mashley had it, and I have it. Based on his/her comments, Nakata probably had it. It seems like a very "vanilla" role to me. I splashed last night and from what I can see, nothing happened. I really do doubt something significant did happen, especially given the name and the likely reference to Pokémon.

I can only assume this is what Two has noticed as well, thus deeming a splashing role as a vanilla role.

The main reason I make this public is because this information could probably be used to form trusts. Obviously, if Two knows about this (and I'm assuming he does), and if Two is Mafia, the Mafia know about this. I don't want false trust going around. (Hopefully I'm making sense. I'm kinda tired.)
Wojjan
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Wojjan

Two wrote:

In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
This is just bullshit reasoning. You knoow we aren't mafia because you know who the mafia is.
Two_old
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Two_old

0_o wrote:

I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well.
if you wanna talk about last game, I kept saying that Wojjan was 100% human even after I knew he wasn't

I don't remember if I said he was definitely human when I didn't know for sure or not (I only remember claiming that Chris and strager were 100% human when I roleclaimed), but either way it doesn't matter

And while we are on the subject of last game, wojjan, I've known you weren't mafia since the start of this game because of your aggressive playstyle last game when you were a wolf. This game you've been very passive, almost annoyingly so.

And for the record I can splash too. I'm pretty sure every role can splash.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Ph0X wrote:

Two wrote:

In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
???

I don't see your logic.
Can you please explain your logic, Two?

Also, the post you just made is complete garbage.
rust45
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rust45

Two wrote:

And for the record I can splash too. I'm pretty sure every role can splash.
If every role can splash, then that means there are no aux roles, meaning there couldn't have been a scum killed. Which there was.
Two_old
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Two_old
I did explain my logic. It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla. So, the chances of you or Wojjan not realizing that and nightkilling Nakata are next to none. And like I just said, Wojjan is playing completely differently this game than last game, and even though they're experienced I doubt they consciously made a decision to change that dramatically.

and rust45 I'm waiting for a post from you that makes any sense at all
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Two wrote:

I did explain my logic. It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla. So, the chances of you or Wojjan not realizing that and nightkilling Nakata are next to none. And like I just said, Wojjan is playing completely differently this game than last game, and even though they're experienced I doubt they consciously made a decision to change that dramatically.
I don't consider WIFOM "logic".

Two wrote:

and rust45 I'm waiting for a post from you that makes any sense at all
rust's comment makes sense to me.

If all (non-Mafia) roles are "you can splash", how did two night killings occur? You brought up both points, and they seem to contradict each other. Please shed some light (or just admit you're scum so we can move on).
Two_old
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Two_old
Okay, I will shed some light.

1. Roles can have more than one action. I believe that every role can splash.

2. You can only use one of your actions per night.

3. Either tuna isn't vanilla and killing Nakata made matthewtck die, or one of the roles with more than one action opted not to splash and instead kill matthewtck.

Is that what you were looking for, strager?
rust45
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rust45
Maybe the mod can solve this.

Mod: Is it possible for a role to have multiple actions?
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
Some players may have multiple potential actions. If this is the case, they may take up to one of these actions each night.
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Two wrote:

Yeah I did know 100% that they were town and I did know 100% that they were vanilla.

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla
Even with the "Splash" argument, you cannot be 100% certain that someone is town. After all, you yourself said every role can splash.
Just explain what led you to believe that Nakata was 100% townie.

I'm also surprised at how Wojjan just put Two at L-1 just so casually without explaining.

Two himself hasn't really answered my questions yet, and I believe that it's too early for a lynch.
Unvote
But still, Two you're the most suspicious so far.
FoS: Two

Edit: nazi spelling
Two_old
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his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.

I mean I could quote posts but it would be pretty much all of his posts

so basically he did a good job and ate the nightkill like civilians/vanilla should
Two_old
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Two_old
vote: Lybydose
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Speaking of which, I want to know what Lybydose, meronmyon, DiamondCrash think of this situation. They haven't posted at all since Day 2 started.

Two wrote:

his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.

Two wrote:

If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla
@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?
Yuukari-Banteki
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Searching for a replacement for meronmyon. If you know anyone who is interested, tell them to PM me.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

NoHItter wrote:

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?
I have, repeatedly, in multiple posts.

In short, I think Two is trying to make Wojjan and myself feel more confident, then more of a target when Two turns up Mafia.

I would like to comment directly on one post by Two, however:

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla
It's obvious that an experienced player can probably pick up that Nakata held a vanilla role mid-way through day 1. I did. Jester was a likely option, and I pushed for the idea until it didn't spring any fruit, which is why I felt Nakata wasn't really a Jester.

I just realized that the Mafia could have killed Nakata because they thought she was a Jester and didn't want a shared victory. I really doubt the Mafia thought Nakata held another aux role, though.
Two_old
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So you're saying you think it's more likely that they passed up on a chance to kill an aux role, to kill someone they thought was definitely either the jester or vanilla, than it is for them to have thought Nakata was aux because of my reaction to their roleclaim?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense if you're rust45. And I've already said this before but to care about the jester role's "victory" is completely idiotic. If it is truly something that you place value in, I don't put it past you to be mafia anymore.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Two, you're giving more credit to yourself than you're due.

Try looking into the actual reality, not the fantasy reality where everything works according to your plan.
Yuukari-Banteki
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DeathxShinigami replaces meronmyon!
DeathxShinigami
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YEAH
Wojjan
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NoHItter wrote:

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?
Nah not really, just Two being Two.
NoHitter
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Two claims his actions convinced the mafia that Nakata was important to him (aux role) thus a night kill.
strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.

Anyway, after rereading through the thread, Two really strikes me as a suspicious character.
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
3) He already labeled two people (strager & Wojjan) as town, and when asked why he claimed they were, he only justified them via meta.
4) He wanted to talk about the previous night's events. Indicative of aux role or scum as strager said.
5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.

Vote: Two
bearing019
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NoHItter wrote:

1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
Is it? Elaborate.
Two_old
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Two_old
NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux. Also, that list you gave is just laughable. I mean, even DiamondCrash called you out on your first point.

You all need to keep in mind that the only reason you even know I lied is because I told you all that I did. I didn't tell you I lied to get votes off of me, I planned to tell you this no matter what. I actually had the opportunity to be the first one to post after the day started, but I decided to wait until someone else posted in order to have more of a sway with what I was going to say. I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1. Or do you do any thinking at all beyond "it's not a vote for me, let's do it"?

I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?
Ph0X
1,043 posts
Joined March 2009
Ph0X

NoHItter wrote:

strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.
Clarification: I find it more likely that the Mafia would see Nakata as a Jester or a vanilla townie than a townie with an aux role.

DiamondCrash wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
Is it? Elaborate.
Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.

NoHItter wrote:

2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
Two meant he would rather a vanilla townie die than an aux townie. In all likeliness, Mafia will not kill Mafia during the night, so it's best to try to sway the Mafia kill toward a ("100% known") vanilla (especially one which is annoying to the Town) instead of a possible aux.

NoHItter wrote:

5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.
I don't see what's wrong with what you have said. That isn't to say I don't see what's wrong with Two's reasoning behind seeing Nakata as 100% Town. I do (did, during the latter part of Day 1) agree that he was/is Town, though.

Two wrote:

NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux.
Let me spell it out for you

  1. Wine
  2. In
  3. Front
  4. Of
  5. Me

Two wrote:

I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.
I vote for you yesterday, and the actions during the night didn't change my vote. So I kept it. It's not like I magically un-think you're Mafia overnight. The evidence is still there.

Two wrote:

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1.
We all should, yes.

Two wrote:

I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?
Oh, shut up. You know what you're doing and it's not funny.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Ph0X wrote:

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.
Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.
Ph0X
1,043 posts
Joined March 2009
Ph0X

Two wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.
Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.
Go learn what a scum tell is and try posting again.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
You're just posting for the sake of posting, now.
bearing019
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bearing019

Ph0X wrote:

While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations.
lol'd
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
Good Afternoon Votecount

pieguy1372 (0)
strager (0)
0_o (0)
DiamondCrash (0)
NoHitter (0)
Lybydose (1) - Two
DeathxShinigami (0)
Two (5) - strager, pieguy1372, rust45, Wojjan, NoHitter
Wojjan (0)
rust45 (0)

Not Voting (4) - 0_o, DiamondCrash, Lybydose, DeathxShinigami

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch...
Two is at L-1!
Deadline is on September 14th.
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Ph0X
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Ph0X

Two wrote:

You're just posting for the sake of posting, now.
Your ignorance baffles me.

Lyby, can you please post? DxS, can you please make a meaningful post?
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Ph0X wrote:

Lyby, can you please post? DxS, can you please make a meaningful post?
Also DC, what do you think of the situation now.

Two, you're telling us not to vote you, but you're not even defending yourself. Most questions that were brought up to you, you "laughed at" or just put aside without taking it seriously. Provide something substantial and not just AtE's if you really want to defend yourself.

Two wrote:

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1.
Great idea. Why don't you do it and post us what you think was suspicious in Day 1.

(Also rereading atm.)
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

NoHItter wrote:

Great idea. Why don't you do it and post us what you think was suspicious in Day 1.
I have been so lazy this game that I think it would only be right if I did that, especially since I'm gunning for someone to die. :roll:

Two, you're telling us not to vote you, but you're not even defending yourself. Most questions that were brought up to you, you "laughed at" or just put aside without taking it seriously. Provide something substantial and not just AtE's if you really want to defend yourself.
You people really are unbelievable. In regards to rust45, the guy misunderstood something entirely (in what I assume was irc, because if not he has more screws loose than I thought) and combined that with some romanticized intuition to happily follow strager. In regards to you, which I assume is what you really cared about, I will respond to your post again.

SPOILER
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
3) He already labeled two people (strager & Wojjan) as town, and when asked why he claimed they were, he only justified them via meta.
4) He wanted to talk about the previous night's events. Indicative of aux role or scum as strager said.
5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.
1. I already talked about this. It's a joke.
2. I already explained this. I think you are having a rust45 moment of crusading while confused.
3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.
4. See 3. Everyone who dies at night is relevant to who is what. Not wanting to talk about it is the telling part.
5. Maybe I'm just smarter than you. Strager seemed to have caught on.
anonymous_old
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Here since the beginning
anonymous_old

Two wrote:

1. I already talked about this. It's a joke.
As NoHItter said, that's probably the best defense you can create in this game. I marvel at your excellence.

2. I already explained this. I think you are having a rust45 moment of crusading while confused.

Two wrote:

3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.
Okay. That in no way refutes what rust said. You based your support of Wojjan and I on meta knowledge.

Two wrote:

4. See 3. Everyone who dies at night is relevant to who is what. Not wanting to talk about it is the telling part.
Who would be more likely to mention a Mafia death during the night: the one who killed them, or someone else?

Two wrote:

5. Maybe I'm just smarter than you. Strager seemed to have caught on.
I find this insulting. Making a mistake does not make you less intelligent. Don't step down to that level, Two.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
strager I'm honestly not even going to read your post

why don't you let one of your sheep take the reigns for once?
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Totally like how I'm this meronmyon person yet SFG you even confirmed I was playing D:

GJ.
Yuukari-Banteki
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Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
I don't know what you're talking about.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
I can't be the only one who checked DeathxShinigami's flag after reading what he wrote.
anonymous_old
0 posts
Here since the beginning
anonymous_old

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

I don't know what you're talking about.
OP.

Two wrote:

I can't be the only one who checked DeathxShinigami's flag after reading what he wrote.
I know he's an Amerifag. And there are tons of people who make mistakes when speaking English, making themselves unintelligable. I'm a "victim" of that at times.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
"Day 1 Summary"
DiamondCrash
1) Votes Wojjan - I presume RVS
2) "matthew is a sh!t wolf" comment
3) Introduces aspect of a Jester
4) Votes Nakata after her "might as well lynch me now" statement
5) Unvotes Nakata ("Yeah, it's a third party." statement)
6) Asks Nakata to roleclaim

rust45
1) Votes 0_o - RVS
2) Unvotes 0_o
3A) Votes Nakata based on what Two said. ("on principle I'd rather lynch the inactive people, but for the love of god can we get rid of this guy")
3B) "whether or not it's scum, will help the town." comment
4) Unvotes Nakata since he's getting townie vibes from him

meronmyon
1) Votes 0_o for same reason as rust45
2) Votes Nakata (bandwagon?)

Wojjan
1) Votes matthewtck
2) States preference of a no-lynch
3) Acknowledges Two's argument and cancels preference of no-lynch
4) Doesn't believe in Nakata being the Joker/Jester
5) Votes for no-lynch

Two
1) Votes Wojjan
2) Objects to a no-lynch
3) Votes Nakata (maybe because of her "i just want the day to end, actually also i would consider that a facade" statement)
4) "wth is a joker" statement
5) Firm stance that Nakata wasn't joker
6) Argues with 0_o that the mafia won't NK Nakata
7) Wants to lynch Nakata.
8) Unvotes Nakata based on her "roleclaim" which he "saw"
9) Votes Mashley based on his reason for voting Nakata, posting habits and "feigning" innocence

Oyashiro Beatrice
1) Votes Wojjan (declares a bandwagon)
2) Votes Nakata for "obvious" reasons

0_o
1) Comments on Nakata's wanting to vote him over a quote from a movie.
2) Suggests that Nakata shouldn't be lynched, but instead let the mafia NK
3) Asks the mod about investigation results (guilty/not-guilty)
4) Argues that Nakata is probably a newbie player and could be a jester.
5) "Basically you're causing mass confusion, and getting rid of the source is a beneficial thing." comment
6) Votes for Mashley since he's the "safer" vote

strager
1) Comments on Nakata's Jester act, and her various posts being scum/vanilla/joker tells.
2) Votes Two for keeping Nakata's roleclaim to himself.
3) Threathens Nakata to post information for else he'll vote for her.

pieguy
1) Votes Two. "(Note that Two would act that way regardless of whether he is a wolf or not because if he is he'd want to avoid suspicion.) As a result lynching Two seems like a safer bet."

Unvote
@Two: As of now, you've answered some of my points and now I don't quite feel comfortable lynching you atm.

This reread isn't doing anything for me, I'll just think it over tomorrow after some sleep.
Two_old
620 posts
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Two_old
rust45
1) Votes 0_o - RVS
2) Unvotes 0_o
3A) Votes Nakata based on what Two said. ("on principle I'd rather lynch the inactive people, but for the love of god can we get rid of this guy")
3B) "whether or not it's scum, will help the town." comment
4) Unvotes Nakata since he's getting townie vibes from him
5) Votes for Two
I don't know if there are any other inconsistencies.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
That's about right.
You're just taking everything anyone does out of context though. I don't see how that summary benefits town.
Two_old
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Two_old
because of the nature of this game, context doesn't matter as much as the bottom line
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
I know all that endless babble in between is a bunch of weasel words but there's no timeline or anything. You only get one person's actions at a time which you basically can also read by chacking the posts. The actions need to braid together with other people's to get an actual idea of the day.

oh, vote: NoHItter
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan

Two wrote:

3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.
by the way that worked out great last time didn't it?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Well, I tried to provide a sense of time by providing some time statements afterwards, but not on all.
Perhaps someone wants to make one with time posted as the main organization, and not poster. I can't atm.

@Wojjan
Would you care to explain why you voted for me while all I did was to try to post a summary (however useless you think it was?) and unvote?
Yuukari-Banteki
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Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
Prods have gone out to pieguy, 0_o, rust45, and Lybydose.
0_o
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Joined December 2008
0_o
ow

bleh I'll read through everything later and hopefully post something not useless.
rust45
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Joined May 2009
rust45
Well shit, sorry about the inactivity but school has started and my brother is home for a couple weeks so I was kinda busy with that crap, I'll re read through everything and think it all over.
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
Posting. Also, I should note my outlook on the situation hasn't changed. :P
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
so how did lybydose even offer to replace him if they are never on
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
0_o
Well I read through everything and I nothing new really popped out at me. I really don't think Two is mafia as I believe all of his actions so far are justified (if not a little overconfident). I don't have any hard evidence against anyone else, but for some reason NoHItter's posts have been rubbing me the wrong way and I can't put my finger on exactly why. So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
bandwagoner
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
this game is depressingly dead
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
can you prod deathxshinigami and diamondcrash please
NoHitter
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NoHitter

0_o wrote:

Well I read through everything and I nothing new really popped out at me. I really don't think Two is mafia as I believe all of his actions so far are justified (if not a little overconfident). I don't have any hard evidence against anyone else, but for some reason NoHItter's posts have been rubbing me the wrong way and I can't put my finger on exactly why. So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.
Relying on your gut?
It's Day 2. There should be some amount of proof right now.
You can go back to Day 1 and check the actions of everyone.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
DiamondCrash has seemed the most suspicious overall to me, but I would rather we lynch Lybydose or deathxshinigami so we can still have some semblance of activity day 3.
DeathxShinigami
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Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Prodding me while not prodding lybydose. @_@ What a shame...
Yuukari-Banteki
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Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
Looking for a replacement for Lybydose.
rust45
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rust45
Unvote
After reading through, I have to say that my reasons for voting for Two were not very justified at all. I think I was finding him as arrogant and that was why I voted for him, but now I understand that being aggressive towards everyone is just the way he plays. And getting rid of inactives would be a better thing to do. However, I will wait till we see Lybydose's replacement before voting.
0_o
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Joined December 2008
0_o

NoHItter wrote:

Relying on your gut?
It's Day 2. There should be some amount of proof right now.
You can go back to Day 1 and check the actions of everyone.
I already did go and read through everything. The focus of all the conversation was either on Two, Nataka or Mashley, the first whom I believe is innocent while the other two are dead. They were the three most active players (with the possible exception of strager, whom I have no reason at the moment to think is mafia) so there really isn't a lot of hard evidence to go on. So yes, for now my vote goes towards gut instinct.

DxS do you have any opinions at all about anyone? If you're gonna join you might as well contribute.
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