Well well. You've been very very indecisive as of late Two. You just now said there is not a jester in this game, and Nakata is playing against town, be he a townie or predator. I'm all for lynching people playing against tow, how about you?Two wrote:
unvote, vote Mashley
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you've been trolling for the past 4+ posts, wojjan
for what?
for what?
let's keep this civil guys
Avoiding prod. Also, my vote still stands.
Claiming Jester as town:
You "protect" yourself, but cause massive confusion for town.
Claiming Jester as scum:
You "protect" yourself, and cause massive confusion for town.
You "protect" yourself, but cause massive confusion for town.
Claiming Jester as scum:
You "protect" yourself, and cause massive confusion for town.
Nakata Yuji; Roleclaim.
wow?DiamondCrash wrote:
Nakata Yuji; Roleclaim.
so are you waiting for the 6th vote to lynch them or what? that's what wolves usually do day 1
I have no plan to vote for Nakata, thanks.
so your plan is to nightkill unless they roleclaim something useless, then?
No, because I don't have any nightkilling abilities.
Silly two.
Silly two.
I don't see how nakata roleclaiming would benefit town at all. You people are already guaranteeing they get night killed anyway, since you wouldn't leave talk about their role alone. It's also made me consider why even after the post they made, thinking they were already dead, all of you are still voting for them. Is it maybe because half of the voters know that nakata is town and won't give up the lynch?
Nakata Yuji (5) - NoHitter, Mashley, mernomyon, rust45, Oyashiro Beatrice
On behalf of strager;
strager wrote:
Or is it because the voters are town and really think Nakata is scum, possibly because they *are* scum? And you're just trying to get votes off them to defend your buddy or some shit?Two wrote:
Is it maybe because half of the voters know that nakata is town and won't give up the lynch?
This is getting interesting.
I can't wait to see the conclusion that you guys come to.
magikarp
I can't wait to see the conclusion that you guys come to.
magikarp
Why would I start the chain of votes on my "buddy"? I'm not stupid enough to not know how sticky votes are on the first day. More importantly, why have you still not posted a reason for voting for me? I thought the vote was just your usual bs so I ignored it, but I guess you have a reason?
This is all a distraction though. While I don't know if nakata was honest when they posted their role, I really think they were because of the circumstances and how they've been playing so far. Please don't be dumb and lynch them thx.
This is all a distraction though. While I don't know if nakata was honest when they posted their role, I really think they were because of the circumstances and how they've been playing so far. Please don't be dumb and lynch them thx.
well, you started the chain previous to the revelation of my role.Two wrote:
Why would I start the chain of votes on my "buddy"? I'm not stupid enough to not know how sticky votes are on the first day. More importantly, why have you still not posted a reason for voting for me? I thought the vote was just your usual bs so I ignored it, but I guess you have a reason?
This is all a distraction though. While I don't know if nakata was honest when they posted their role, I really think they were because of the circumstances and how they've been playing so far. Please don't be dumb and lynch them thx.
(Posting for strager.)
I do have a reason.
You kept Nakata's roleclaim to yourself.
Either you're a Townie trying to cover up Nakata's mistake (in which case, why did you say in IRC that Nakata posted their role?) or you're scum trying to either (1) get the votes off your scum buddy who (oops!) "claimed" to get out of a rough situation, or (2) get votes onto another player by playing "hero" by "protecting" Nakata from "possible scum" (like DC and I, who were in IRC at the time).
If you had not gloated that you saw Nakata claim to DC and I in IRC, I may not have thought so much of your unvote and your keeping the roleclaim private. However, you did gloat, and you did refuse to reveal why you did unvote shortly thereafter. I cannot really see any other alternative than "Two is scum".
Yeah.Two wrote:
More importantly, why have you still not posted a reason for voting for me? I thought the vote was just your usual bs so I ignored it, but I guess you have a reason?
I do have a reason.
You kept Nakata's roleclaim to yourself.
Either you're a Townie trying to cover up Nakata's mistake (in which case, why did you say in IRC that Nakata posted their role?) or you're scum trying to either (1) get the votes off your scum buddy who (oops!) "claimed" to get out of a rough situation, or (2) get votes onto another player by playing "hero" by "protecting" Nakata from "possible scum" (like DC and I, who were in IRC at the time).
If you had not gloated that you saw Nakata claim to DC and I in IRC, I may not have thought so much of your unvote and your keeping the roleclaim private. However, you did gloat, and you did refuse to reveal why you did unvote shortly thereafter. I cannot really see any other alternative than "Two is scum".
This is complete bullshit and you know it as well as I (and any other veterans here, including SFG) do.Two wrote:
Why would I start the chain of votes on my "buddy"? I'm not stupid enough to not know how sticky votes are on the first day.
Prod avoided, I can't believe we're in distress over 1 person....I say eliminate the source of the trouble....
I see 2 controversial people at this point in time.
Either you're a Townie trying to cover up Nakata's mistake (in which case, why did you say in IRC that Nakata posted their role?) or you're scum trying to either (1) get the votes off your scum buddy who (oops!) "claimed" to get out of a rough situation, or (2) get votes onto another player by playing "hero" by "protecting" Nakata from "possible scum" (like DC and I, who were in IRC at the time).strager since we are on the subject of mafia/wwg veterans, why is it that one such as yourself limited the options to three? There are more than that.
are you trying to pull a Mashley here?
Wait, what? 
Nice. "There are other options, but I can't think of any right now. You already stated the true case."Two wrote:
Either you're a Townie trying to cover up Nakata's mistake (in which case, why did you say in IRC that Nakata posted their role?) or you're scum trying to either (1) get the votes off your scum buddy who (oops!) "claimed" to get out of a rough situation, or (2) get votes onto another player by playing "hero" by "protecting" Nakata from "possible scum" (like DC and I, who were in IRC at the time).strager since we are on the subject of mafia/wwg veterans, why is it that one such as yourself limited the options to three? There are more than that.
are you trying to pull a Mashley here?
Hi, I can only get the Internet occasionally on my iPod so I won't be active until Monday.
Thank you, and have a great day.
*beeep*
Thank you, and have a great day.
*beeep*
bump?
And so it seems that the discussion has died....
Maybe you should contribute next time?Oyashiro Beatrice wrote:
And so it seems that the discussion has died....
Yeah, complaining when you didn't contribute much is stupid.
Anyway, I'll be out of town starting on the 22 and I won't be back till the 28, during that time I'll have limited access to the internet (if at all).
Anyway, I'll be out of town starting on the 22 and I won't be back till the 28, during that time I'll have limited access to the internet (if at all).
So uh, what's up?
Oh Mashely, strager wants you in the irc channel.
baaaack
I'll read through everything later on today and (hopefully) get back in this.
I'll read through everything later on today and (hopefully) get back in this.
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The mod is having severe internet problems and is extending the deadline until WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 25th. Use the time wisely.
this game is kind of not working out that well
since i'm gonna get lynched anywayssss
since i'm gonna get lynched anywayssss
Who wants to be a dear and post a vote count?
It's me again!
Where 'me' is 'strager'.
Current votes
Nakata Yuji (5) - meronmyon, Mashley, Oyashiro Beatrice, NoHItter, rust45
Two (2) - strager, pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Two
No lynch (1) - Wojjan
I'm interested in hearing your opinions of Two's case against Mashley, 0_o.
Where 'me' is 'strager'.
Vote log
DiamondCrash: Wojjan
rust45: 0_o
meronmyon: 0_o
Mashley: Two
Wojjan: matthewtck
Two: Wojjan
Mashley: matthewtck
Nakata Yuji: Mashley
Oyashiro Beatrice: Wojjan
Nakata Yuji: Wojjan
Two: Nakata Yuji
NoHItter: Nakata Yuji
Mashley: Nakata Yuji
meronmyon: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: -
rust45: -
rust45: Nakata Yuji
Oyashiro Beatrice: Nakata Yuji
Two: -
strager: Two
pieguy1372: Two
Nakata Yuji: -
Two: Mashley
Wojjan: (no lynch)
Two: Mashley
rust45: 0_o
meronmyon: 0_o
Mashley: Two
Wojjan: matthewtck
Two: Wojjan
Mashley: matthewtck
Nakata Yuji: Mashley
Oyashiro Beatrice: Wojjan
Nakata Yuji: Wojjan
Two: Nakata Yuji
NoHItter: Nakata Yuji
Mashley: Nakata Yuji
meronmyon: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: -
rust45: -
rust45: Nakata Yuji
Oyashiro Beatrice: Nakata Yuji
Two: -
strager: Two
pieguy1372: Two
Nakata Yuji: -
Two: Mashley
Wojjan: (no lynch)
Two: Mashley
Current votes
Nakata Yuji (5) - meronmyon, Mashley, Oyashiro Beatrice, NoHItter, rust45
Two (2) - strager, pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Two
No lynch (1) - Wojjan
I'm interested in hearing your opinions of Two's case against Mashley, 0_o.
Alright, regarding Two's coverup of Nataka's role: I think it's completely legitimate. If Nataka's role is important then it would be in the town's best interest to keep his role a secret, and also to be aware that his role was posted so the town doesn't vote him out.
Now Mashley I'm not sure what to think of. I can see Two's point with Mash acting overly cute and innocent, but I really don't know him well enough to know if that behaviour's out of the ordinary or not. However if the vote is between Nataka, Two and Mash, I would feel safest voting for Mash.
So vote Mashley.
Now Mashley I'm not sure what to think of. I can see Two's point with Mash acting overly cute and innocent, but I really don't know him well enough to know if that behaviour's out of the ordinary or not. However if the vote is between Nataka, Two and Mash, I would feel safest voting for Mash.
So vote Mashley.
Should have done this sooner, but Unvote, Vote No Lynch since I no longer have a reason to suspect Nataka.
Someone in IRC asked me why I was voting for Nataka and I really couldn't think why I should be voting for her, other than wanting to have a vote on someone, which is stupid tbh.
Someone in IRC asked me why I was voting for Nataka and I really couldn't think why I should be voting for her, other than wanting to have a vote on someone, which is stupid tbh.
OK Mashley. When you unvote, please give a reason.Mashley wrote:
Should have done this sooner, but Unvote, Vote No Lynch since I no longer have a reason to suspect Nataka
You have no longer any reason to suspect Nakata? Elaborate.
Edit: Nice edit Mashely
Wait.... so you're now saying that you're vote was nothing but a jump on the bandwagon even after you justified it on the same post?
Vote: Mashley
I'm going to be totally honest.
I want to stay in this, so Vote: Mashely. I understand I'll likely lose because I reached 5 way before if he gets another vote, but if Mash gets another afterwards or I lose mine, I'll be okay.
If you find this suspicious, then rest assured I'm not pulling any crap, I'm just trying to stay alive.
I want to stay in this, so Vote: Mashely. I understand I'll likely lose because I reached 5 way before if he gets another vote, but if Mash gets another afterwards or I lose mine, I'll be okay.
If you find this suspicious, then rest assured I'm not pulling any crap, I'm just trying to stay alive.
Sorry, why are you guys voting for me? No, it wasn't a bandwagon vote NoHItter because I was the first person to vote for Nataka. Recently after talking to strager I realised that it was silly to vote nataka because after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
no you weren't the first person to vote for them, you were the third (I was first, nohitter was second)Mashley wrote:
after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
also what does the part I quoted even mean
Wait, I wasn't? Okay then. Should probably have checked that first...Two wrote:
no you weren't the first person to vote for them, you were the third (I was first, nohitter was second)Mashley wrote:
after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
also what does the part I quoted even mean
Here it is. Nataka, tell us all why would said this, please?Nakata Yuji wrote:
magikarp
If I wanted to tell you, I already would have. Bringing up such a minor detail would be futile in some sort of salvation, you're just grasping at straws at this point in time.
Though I'll give you a hint.
What is a magikarp?
Though I'll give you a hint.
What is a magikarp?
You're over-analyzing buddy. Actually, it's a useless tidbit of information that I give you when you figure out, but veterans might be able to discern its use.
EDIT:
It's almost as if Mash already knows what it means. It almost sounds like he's trying to imply that I have some sort of shady connection with him. Come to think about it, we had a littleprivate conversation a while back.
But since he know's I'm clean, then obviously there's something more since I don't confer with him.
EDIT:
It's almost as if Mash already knows what it means. It almost sounds like he's trying to imply that I have some sort of shady connection with him. Come to think about it, we had a little
But since he know's I'm clean, then obviously there's something more since I don't confer with him.
(Posting for strager.)
Clearly, if you were trying to 'save your ass from the lynch', you would have already done one of the above (or some option I may have missed).
Here's how to stop being a dick.Nakata Yuji wrote:
You're over-analyzing buddy. Actually, it's a useless tidbit of information that I give you when you figure out, but veterans might be able to discern its use.
- If the information you are hiding is detrimental to yourself if publicly known, state that.
- If the information you are hiding is detrimental to the Town if known by the Mafia, state that.
- If the information you are hiding is detrimental to a specific player or group of players if known by a specific player or group of players, state that.
- If the information you are hiding is incriminating another player, state that. If possible, state the evidence so we can consider the evidence appropriately.
- If you are hiding the information for some other, state that, and state the reason.
- If you are not hiding any information, state that.
Clearly, if you were trying to 'save your ass from the lynch', you would have already done one of the above (or some option I may have missed).
fine, if you're so eager to know.
magikarp --> splash.
That's really it d00d
magikarp --> splash.
That's really it d00d
I have less of a reason to vote for Nakata and so I'm just gonna unvote for now and vote when I hopefully come back.
And my reason is that Nakata recents posts are giving me townie vibe, I just hope I'm right.
And my reason is that Nakata recents posts are giving me townie vibe, I just hope I'm right.
Alright, I've decided, gonna Vote: Two as I think he is being way too offensive especially with his respones to Nakata.
Yeahhh I'm pretty sure every post Two has ever made in mafia has been offensive.
Yes, that is it. That's the most important thing.Nakata Yuji wrote:
fine, if you're so eager to know.
magikarp --> splash.
That's really it d00d
So, Nakata, why have you changed from trying to get yourself killed to trying to keep yourself alive, hm?
Why, I can't want to stay alive?DiamondCrash wrote:
So, Nakata, why have you changed from trying to get yourself killed to trying to keep yourself alive, hm?
everyone's seen through the joker facade by now, i would hope you have too
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Mashley is at L-3!
At deadline, the player with the highest number of votes, Mashley, is lynched!
WARNING: Lynch scenes spring directly from the mind of the mod and have nothing to do with individual players' alignments.
Approaching a nearby beach, the school of fish argued over who was who. Was Nakata Yuji a predator? Some sort of fish that bred by dying? Just an ordinary fish? Then there was that Mashley character. He'd been acting suspicious towards the end of the day, and the fish were mulling around. First one fin, then another pointed accusingly at Mashley. Nakata Yuji was the last, flipping him up onto the sands of the beach to flop around, suffocating. Mashley gave one last, pained look towards the school as he died, and whispered, "It wasn't...me..."
Mashley, Sea Bass (town), lynched Day 1
It is now NIGHT. Anyone who posts in thread will be punished. Please send in actions by forum PM to the mod. Actions not sent in or actions sent on an invalid target will be randomized.
Oyashiro Beatrice is being replaced. Night will not end until I have done so.
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Mashley is at L-3!
At deadline, the player with the highest number of votes, Mashley, is lynched!
WARNING: Lynch scenes spring directly from the mind of the mod and have nothing to do with individual players' alignments.
Approaching a nearby beach, the school of fish argued over who was who. Was Nakata Yuji a predator? Some sort of fish that bred by dying? Just an ordinary fish? Then there was that Mashley character. He'd been acting suspicious towards the end of the day, and the fish were mulling around. First one fin, then another pointed accusingly at Mashley. Nakata Yuji was the last, flipping him up onto the sands of the beach to flop around, suffocating. Mashley gave one last, pained look towards the school as he died, and whispered, "It wasn't...me..."
Mashley, Sea Bass (town), lynched Day 1
It is now NIGHT. Anyone who posts in thread will be punished. Please send in actions by forum PM to the mod. Actions not sent in or actions sent on an invalid target will be randomized.
Oyashiro Beatrice is being replaced. Night will not end until I have done so.
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It is morning now, and the fish wake up to a nasty surprise. There in the water, with tendrils of blood diffusing out from their dead bodies, float matthewtck and Nakata Yuji. The school is at first too shocked to do anything, but soon realize that although Nakata Yuji was a harmless tuna, matthewtck has some rather...large...fangs. In fact, on further inspection, he appears to be a piranha, much feared. Pondering this strange twist, the school turns to each other to argue out another long day.
matthewtck, Piranha (mafia) and
Nakata Yuji, Tuna (town)
are now dead and out of the game.
Day 2 will end on September 14, or when a majority of votes has been reached. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
matthewtck, Piranha (mafia) and
Nakata Yuji, Tuna (town)
are now dead and out of the game.
Day 2 will end on September 14, or when a majority of votes has been reached. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
(strager)
Vote: Two
Vote: Two
Vote: Two
He seemed to want to lynch both Nakata Yuji and Mashley, who were both Town. And he didn't really have much of a reason for accusing Mashley, IMO. I think he secretly just wants to get townsfolk killed. I may be wrong, but it's the best I can do at this point.
He seemed to want to lynch both Nakata Yuji and Mashley, who were both Town. And he didn't really have much of a reason for accusing Mashley, IMO. I think he secretly just wants to get townsfolk killed. I may be wrong, but it's the best I can do at this point.
Gonna Vote: Two
For the same reason as the day before, being offensive to Nakata, and now with Nakata dead and being town, it makes me suspect him more.
For the same reason as the day before, being offensive to Nakata, and now with Nakata dead and being town, it makes me suspect him more.
Why are you people saying he was trying to lynch Nataka? Two saw his role and unvoted, and also tried to convince everyone else not to vote for him.
EDIT: Sorry, gotta throw this in too. Statistically, the odds of lynching a townsperson (or fish) the first day is very high, especially since matthew was a predator and never had the chance to be incriminated. So imo the argument that Two started the Mashley lynch doesn't hold a whole lot of water.
EDIT: Sorry, gotta throw this in too. Statistically, the odds of lynching a townsperson (or fish) the first day is very high, especially since matthew was a predator and never had the chance to be incriminated. So imo the argument that Two started the Mashley lynch doesn't hold a whole lot of water.
I meant before he unvoted. Also, Two could have done that whether he was Mafia or not.
k first of all, rust45, I wasn't "offensive" to nakata, read 0_o's post
Second, I have a few things to confess to you all.
1. I never saw Nakata's role. I pretended that I did.
2. I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
As you may have guessed from #2, I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted. I initially avoided talking about their role in the thread as much as possible so that the mafia would need to gamble on them being aux. The reason why I mentioned it in irc was so that other people could do my work (convincing mafia that nakata was valuable) for me.
I find a few things strange about the opening posts for today though. Why is it that people so readily started to bandwagon on someone who was against the lynching of the person who was night killed, and why has no one talked about the fact that two people died at night?
Second, I have a few things to confess to you all.
1. I never saw Nakata's role. I pretended that I did.
2. I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
As you may have guessed from #2, I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted. I initially avoided talking about their role in the thread as much as possible so that the mafia would need to gamble on them being aux. The reason why I mentioned it in irc was so that other people could do my work (convincing mafia that nakata was valuable) for me.
I find a few things strange about the opening posts for today though. Why is it that people so readily started to bandwagon on someone who was against the lynching of the person who was night killed, and why has no one talked about the fact that two people died at night?
Please explain this, why would you want someone dead but not by lynch?Two wrote:
2. I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
(Any post by Ph0X is a post by strager. I don't feel like posting this little disclaimer each time.)
Your statement makes me further believe you were involved in one of the previous night's killings. You're therefore even closer to being a Mafia in my eyes (see my vote).
WIFOM. This is certainly not a valid defense, nor is it a valid case against you.Two wrote:
Why is it that people so readily started to bandwagon on someone who was against the lynching of the person who was night killed
Only those involved have an inclination to mention it. This is similar to Doctors (GA's in WWG terminology) commenting on the success of their protection the following day.Two wrote:
and why has no one talked about the fact that two people died at night?
Your statement makes me further believe you were involved in one of the previous night's killings. You're therefore even closer to being a Mafia in my eyes (see my vote).
Interesting turn of events.
In effect you gambled on her being townie or not, yet your statements imply that you knew 100% that she was townie.
This is disturbing to me since the only people that know for sure whether someone is townie or not is scum.
Not to mention that if your explanation was accepted (Nakata is decoy), your actions the previous day would be somewhat reasonable.
On a side note: Even roleclaiming wouldn't guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that she was townie.
Vote: Two
You claim you wanted to have Nakata be a "decoy". You wanted the mafia to nightkill him, because he would seem important to you.Two wrote:
I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.Two wrote:
I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.
In effect you gambled on her being townie or not, yet your statements imply that you knew 100% that she was townie.
This is disturbing to me since the only people that know for sure whether someone is townie or not is scum.
Not to mention that if your explanation was accepted (Nakata is decoy), your actions the previous day would be somewhat reasonable.
On a side note: Even roleclaiming wouldn't guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that she was townie.
Vote: Two
How would me knowing based on how they posted only make sense "if I've seen their roleclaim"?NoHItter wrote:
Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.Two wrote:
I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.
Yeah I did know 100% that they were town and I did know 100% that they were vanilla. If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed. In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
???Two wrote:
In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
I don't see your logic.
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With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch...
Two is at L-1!
I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well. Also there AREN'T any vanilla roles this game:
But here's what baffles me about your post: If Nataka posted his role, and nobody saw it, then how did you know he posted his role?
Disregard that, I can't read.
Everybody has a role that's at least somewhat interesting.OP wrote:
Furthermore, while there will be near-vanilla roles, EVERY role has at least one night action. This will hopefully keep the game more interesting and involving for the players.
Disregard that, I can't read.
I've had a theory about this (and not in response to Two's comment; this goes back to Day 1). I guess it's time to make that theory public.0_o wrote:
I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well. Also there AREN'T any vanilla roles this game:Everybody has a role that's at least somewhat interesting.OP wrote:
Furthermore, while there will be near-vanilla roles, EVERY role has at least one night action. This will hopefully keep the game more interesting and involving for the players.
I think the vanilla role has "splash". Mashley had it, and I have it. Based on his/her comments, Nakata probably had it. It seems like a very "vanilla" role to me. I splashed last night and from what I can see, nothing happened. I really do doubt something significant did happen, especially given the name and the likely reference to Pokémon.
I can only assume this is what Two has noticed as well, thus deeming a splashing role as a vanilla role.
The main reason I make this public is because this information could probably be used to form trusts. Obviously, if Two knows about this (and I'm assuming he does), and if Two is Mafia, the Mafia know about this. I don't want false trust going around. (Hopefully I'm making sense. I'm kinda tired.)
This is just bullshit reasoning. You knoow we aren't mafia because you know who the mafia is.Two wrote:
In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
if you wanna talk about last game, I kept saying that Wojjan was 100% human even after I knew he wasn't0_o wrote:
I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well.
I don't remember if I said he was definitely human when I didn't know for sure or not (I only remember claiming that Chris and strager were 100% human when I roleclaimed), but either way it doesn't matter
And while we are on the subject of last game, wojjan, I've known you weren't mafia since the start of this game because of your aggressive playstyle last game when you were a wolf. This game you've been very passive, almost annoyingly so.
And for the record I can splash too. I'm pretty sure every role can splash.
Can you please explain your logic, Two?Ph0X wrote:
???Two wrote:
In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
I don't see your logic.
Also, the post you just made is complete garbage.
If every role can splash, then that means there are no aux roles, meaning there couldn't have been a scum killed. Which there was.Two wrote:
And for the record I can splash too. I'm pretty sure every role can splash.
I did explain my logic. It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla. So, the chances of you or Wojjan not realizing that and nightkilling Nakata are next to none. And like I just said, Wojjan is playing completely differently this game than last game, and even though they're experienced I doubt they consciously made a decision to change that dramatically.
and rust45 I'm waiting for a post from you that makes any sense at all
and rust45 I'm waiting for a post from you that makes any sense at all
I don't consider WIFOM "logic".Two wrote:
I did explain my logic. It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla. So, the chances of you or Wojjan not realizing that and nightkilling Nakata are next to none. And like I just said, Wojjan is playing completely differently this game than last game, and even though they're experienced I doubt they consciously made a decision to change that dramatically.
rust's comment makes sense to me.Two wrote:
and rust45 I'm waiting for a post from you that makes any sense at all
If all (non-Mafia) roles are "you can splash", how did two night killings occur? You brought up both points, and they seem to contradict each other. Please shed some light (or just admit you're scum so we can move on).
Okay, I will shed some light.
1. Roles can have more than one action. I believe that every role can splash.
2. You can only use one of your actions per night.
3. Either tuna isn't vanilla and killing Nakata made matthewtck die, or one of the roles with more than one action opted not to splash and instead kill matthewtck.
Is that what you were looking for, strager?
1. Roles can have more than one action. I believe that every role can splash.
2. You can only use one of your actions per night.
3. Either tuna isn't vanilla and killing Nakata made matthewtck die, or one of the roles with more than one action opted not to splash and instead kill matthewtck.
Is that what you were looking for, strager?
Maybe the mod can solve this.
Mod: Is it possible for a role to have multiple actions?
Mod: Is it possible for a role to have multiple actions?
Topic Starter
Some players may have multiple potential actions. If this is the case, they may take up to one of these actions each night.
Two wrote:
Yeah I did know 100% that they were town and I did know 100% that they were vanilla.
Even with the "Splash" argument, you cannot be 100% certain that someone is town. After all, you yourself said every role can splash.Two wrote:
It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla
Just explain what led you to believe that Nakata was 100% townie.
I'm also surprised at how Wojjan just put Two at L-1 just so casually without explaining.
Two himself hasn't really answered my questions yet, and I believe that it's too early for a lynch.
Unvote
But still, Two you're the most suspicious so far.
FoS: Two
Edit: nazi spelling
his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.
I mean I could quote posts but it would be pretty much all of his posts
so basically he did a good job and ate the nightkill like civilians/vanilla should
I mean I could quote posts but it would be pretty much all of his posts
so basically he did a good job and ate the nightkill like civilians/vanilla should
Speaking of which, I want to know what Lybydose, meronmyon, DiamondCrash think of this situation. They haven't posted at all since Day 2 started.
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?
Two wrote:
his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.
Two wrote:
If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed
@strager and WojjanTwo wrote:
It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?
Topic Starter
Searching for a replacement for meronmyon. If you know anyone who is interested, tell them to PM me.
I have, repeatedly, in multiple posts.NoHItter wrote:
@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?
In short, I think Two is trying to make Wojjan and myself feel more confident, then more of a target when Two turns up Mafia.
I would like to comment directly on one post by Two, however:
It's obvious that an experienced player can probably pick up that Nakata held a vanilla role mid-way through day 1. I did. Jester was a likely option, and I pushed for the idea until it didn't spring any fruit, which is why I felt Nakata wasn't really a Jester.Two wrote:
It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla
I just realized that the Mafia could have killed Nakata because they thought she was a Jester and didn't want a shared victory. I really doubt the Mafia thought Nakata held another aux role, though.
So you're saying you think it's more likely that they passed up on a chance to kill an aux role, to kill someone they thought was definitely either the jester or vanilla, than it is for them to have thought Nakata was aux because of my reaction to their roleclaim?
Yeah, that makes perfect sense if you're rust45. And I've already said this before but to care about the jester role's "victory" is completely idiotic. If it is truly something that you place value in, I don't put it past you to be mafia anymore.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense if you're rust45. And I've already said this before but to care about the jester role's "victory" is completely idiotic. If it is truly something that you place value in, I don't put it past you to be mafia anymore.
Two, you're giving more credit to yourself than you're due.
Try looking into the actual reality, not the fantasy reality where everything works according to your plan.
Try looking into the actual reality, not the fantasy reality where everything works according to your plan.
Topic Starter
DeathxShinigami replaces meronmyon!
YEAH
Nah not really, just Two being Two.NoHItter wrote:
@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?
Two claims his actions convinced the mafia that Nakata was important to him (aux role) thus a night kill.
strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.
Anyway, after rereading through the thread, Two really strikes me as a suspicious character.
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
3) He already labeled two people (strager & Wojjan) as town, and when asked why he claimed they were, he only justified them via meta.
4) He wanted to talk about the previous night's events. Indicative of aux role or scum as strager said.
5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.
Vote: Two
strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.
Anyway, after rereading through the thread, Two really strikes me as a suspicious character.
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
3) He already labeled two people (strager & Wojjan) as town, and when asked why he claimed they were, he only justified them via meta.
4) He wanted to talk about the previous night's events. Indicative of aux role or scum as strager said.
5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.
Vote: Two
Is it? Elaborate.NoHItter wrote:
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux. Also, that list you gave is just laughable. I mean, even DiamondCrash called you out on your first point.
You all need to keep in mind that the only reason you even know I lied is because I told you all that I did. I didn't tell you I lied to get votes off of me, I planned to tell you this no matter what. I actually had the opportunity to be the first one to post after the day started, but I decided to wait until someone else posted in order to have more of a sway with what I was going to say. I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.
You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1. Or do you do any thinking at all beyond "it's not a vote for me, let's do it"?
I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?
You all need to keep in mind that the only reason you even know I lied is because I told you all that I did. I didn't tell you I lied to get votes off of me, I planned to tell you this no matter what. I actually had the opportunity to be the first one to post after the day started, but I decided to wait until someone else posted in order to have more of a sway with what I was going to say. I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.
You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1. Or do you do any thinking at all beyond "it's not a vote for me, let's do it"?
I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?
Clarification: I find it more likely that the Mafia would see Nakata as a Jester or a vanilla townie than a townie with an aux role.NoHItter wrote:
strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.
Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.DiamondCrash wrote:
Is it? Elaborate.NoHItter wrote:
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
Two meant he would rather a vanilla townie die than an aux townie. In all likeliness, Mafia will not kill Mafia during the night, so it's best to try to sway the Mafia kill toward a ("100% known") vanilla (especially one which is annoying to the Town) instead of a possible aux.NoHItter wrote:
2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
I don't see what's wrong with what you have said. That isn't to say I don't see what's wrong with Two's reasoning behind seeing Nakata as 100% Town. I do (did, during the latter part of Day 1) agree that he was/is Town, though.NoHItter wrote:
5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.
Let me spell it out for youTwo wrote:
NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux.
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I vote for you yesterday, and the actions during the night didn't change my vote. So I kept it. It's not like I magically un-think you're Mafia overnight. The evidence is still there.Two wrote:
I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.
We all should, yes.Two wrote:
You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1.
Oh, shut up. You know what you're doing and it's not funny.Two wrote:
I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?
Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.Ph0X wrote:
Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.
Go learn what a scum tell is and try posting again.Two wrote:
Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.Ph0X wrote:
Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.