Interesting turn of events.

Two wrote:

I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.

You claim you wanted to have Nakata be a "decoy". You wanted the mafia to nightkill him, because he would seem important to you.

Two wrote:

I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.

Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.

In effect you gambled on her being townie or not, yet your statements imply that you knew 100% that she was townie.
This is disturbing to me since the only people that know for sure whether someone is townie or not is scum.
Not to mention that if your explanation was accepted (Nakata is decoy), your actions the previous day would be somewhat reasonable.

On a side note: Even roleclaiming wouldn't guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that she was townie.

Vote: Two

Vote: Two to get him to majority.

NoHItter wrote:

Two wrote:

I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.

Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.

How would me knowing based on how they posted only make sense "if I've seen their roleclaim"?

Yeah I did know 100% that they were town and I did know 100% that they were vanilla. If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed. In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.

Two wrote:

In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.

???

I don't see your logic.

I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well. Also there AREN'T any vanilla roles this game:

OP wrote:

Furthermore, while there will be near-vanilla roles, EVERY role has at least one night action. This will hopefully keep the game more interesting and involving for the players.

Everybody has a role that's at least somewhat interesting.

But here's what baffles me about your post: If Nataka posted his role, and nobody saw it, then how did you know he posted his role?
Disregard that, I can't read.

0_o wrote:

I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well. Also there AREN'T any vanilla roles this game:

OP wrote:

Furthermore, while there will be near-vanilla roles, EVERY role has at least one night action. This will hopefully keep the game more interesting and involving for the players.

Everybody has a role that's at least somewhat interesting.

I've had a theory about this (and not in response to Two's comment; this goes back to Day 1). I guess it's time to make that theory public.

I think the vanilla role has "splash". Mashley had it, and I have it. Based on his/her comments, Nakata probably had it. It seems like a very "vanilla" role to me. I splashed last night and from what I can see, nothing happened. I really do doubt something significant did happen, especially given the name and the likely reference to Pokémon.

I can only assume this is what Two has noticed as well, thus deeming a splashing role as a vanilla role.

The main reason I make this public is because this information could probably be used to form trusts. Obviously, if Two knows about this (and I'm assuming he does), and if Two is Mafia, the Mafia know about this. I don't want false trust going around. (Hopefully I'm making sense. I'm kinda tired.)

Two wrote:

In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.

This is just bullshit reasoning. You knoow we aren't mafia because you know who the mafia is.

0_o wrote:

I think you should stop being 100% sure of things, Two; if I recall correctly you said Wojjan was 100% town last game as well.

if you wanna talk about last game, I kept saying that Wojjan was 100% human even after I knew he wasn't

I don't remember if I said he was definitely human when I didn't know for sure or not (I only remember claiming that Chris and strager were 100% human when I roleclaimed), but either way it doesn't matter

And while we are on the subject of last game, wojjan, I've known you weren't mafia since the start of this game because of your aggressive playstyle last game when you were a wolf. This game you've been very passive, almost annoyingly so.

And for the record I can splash too. I'm pretty sure every role can splash.

Ph0X wrote:

Two wrote:

In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.

???

I don't see your logic.

Can you please explain your logic, Two?

Also, the post you just made is complete garbage.

Two wrote:

And for the record I can splash too. I'm pretty sure every role can splash.

If every role can splash, then that means there are no aux roles, meaning there couldn't have been a scum killed. Which there was.

I did explain my logic. It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla. So, the chances of you or Wojjan not realizing that and nightkilling Nakata are next to none. And like I just said, Wojjan is playing completely differently this game than last game, and even though they're experienced I doubt they consciously made a decision to change that dramatically.

and rust45 I'm waiting for a post from you that makes any sense at all

Two wrote:

I did explain my logic. It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla. So, the chances of you or Wojjan not realizing that and nightkilling Nakata are next to none. And like I just said, Wojjan is playing completely differently this game than last game, and even though they're experienced I doubt they consciously made a decision to change that dramatically.

I don't consider WIFOM "logic".

Two wrote:

and rust45 I'm waiting for a post from you that makes any sense at all

rust's comment makes sense to me.

If all (non-Mafia) roles are "you can splash", how did two night killings occur? You brought up both points, and they seem to contradict each other. Please shed some light (or just admit you're scum so we can move on).

Okay, I will shed some light.

1. Roles can have more than one action. I believe that every role can splash.

2. You can only use one of your actions per night.

3. Either tuna isn't vanilla and killing Nakata made matthewtck die, or one of the roles with more than one action opted not to splash and instead kill matthewtck.

Is that what you were looking for, strager?

Maybe the mod can solve this.

Mod: Is it possible for a role to have multiple actions?

Two wrote:

Yeah I did know 100% that they were town and I did know 100% that they were vanilla.

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla

Even with the "Splash" argument, you cannot be 100% certain that someone is town. After all, you yourself said every role can splash.
Just explain what led you to believe that Nakata was 100% townie.

I'm also surprised at how Wojjan just put Two at L-1 just so casually without explaining.

Two himself hasn't really answered my questions yet, and I believe that it's too early for a lynch.
Unvote
But still, Two you're the most suspicious so far.
FoS: Two

Edit: nazi spelling

his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.

I mean I could quote posts but it would be pretty much all of his posts

so basically he did a good job and ate the nightkill like civilians/vanilla should

Speaking of which, I want to know what Lybydose, meronmyon, DiamondCrash think of this situation. They haven't posted at all since Day 2 started.

Two wrote:

his complete lack of care in almost all of his posts, the fact that a jester would not be in a game of this size, his roleclaim when he thought he was dead, again expressing a lack of care in pms to me, a playstyle that fits neither mafia or aux roles etc.

Two wrote:

If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?

NoHItter wrote:

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?

I have, repeatedly, in multiple posts.

In short, I think Two is trying to make Wojjan and myself feel more confident, then more of a target when Two turns up Mafia.

I would like to comment directly on one post by Two, however:

Two wrote:

It should have been obvious to everyone who has played as much as the 3 of us that Nakata was vanilla

It's obvious that an experienced player can probably pick up that Nakata held a vanilla role mid-way through day 1. I did. Jester was a likely option, and I pushed for the idea until it didn't spring any fruit, which is why I felt Nakata wasn't really a Jester.

I just realized that the Mafia could have killed Nakata because they thought she was a Jester and didn't want a shared victory. I really doubt the Mafia thought Nakata held another aux role, though.

So you're saying you think it's more likely that they passed up on a chance to kill an aux role, to kill someone they thought was definitely either the jester or vanilla, than it is for them to have thought Nakata was aux because of my reaction to their roleclaim?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense if you're rust45. And I've already said this before but to care about the jester role's "victory" is completely idiotic. If it is truly something that you place value in, I don't put it past you to be mafia anymore.

Two, you're giving more credit to yourself than you're due.

Try looking into the actual reality, not the fantasy reality where everything works according to your plan.

YEAH

NoHItter wrote:

@strager and Wojjan
Since he specifically states your names, would you care to comment on his reasoning?

Nah not really, just Two being Two.

Two claims his actions convinced the mafia that Nakata was important to him (aux role) thus a night kill.
strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.

Anyway, after rereading through the thread, Two really strikes me as a suspicious character.
1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.
2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)
3) He already labeled two people (strager & Wojjan) as town, and when asked why he claimed they were, he only justified them via meta.
4) He wanted to talk about the previous night's events. Indicative of aux role or scum as strager said.
5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.

Vote: Two

NoHItter wrote:

1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.

Is it? Elaborate.

NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux. Also, that list you gave is just laughable. I mean, even DiamondCrash called you out on your first point.

You all need to keep in mind that the only reason you even know I lied is because I told you all that I did. I didn't tell you I lied to get votes off of me, I planned to tell you this no matter what. I actually had the opportunity to be the first one to post after the day started, but I decided to wait until someone else posted in order to have more of a sway with what I was going to say. I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1. Or do you do any thinking at all beyond "it's not a vote for me, let's do it"?

I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?

NoHItter wrote:

strager claims that the mafia night killed Nakata because they didn't want a shared victory.

Clarification: I find it more likely that the Mafia would see Nakata as a Jester or a vanilla townie than a townie with an aux role.

DiamondCrash wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

1) He claims his actions was of a "plan", which involved lying to us. Lying is a scumtell.

Is it? Elaborate.

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.

NoHItter wrote:

2) He wanted Nakata to die. Town shouldn't want fellow town to die. (not to mention saying it after he was confirmed town after the night kill)

Two meant he would rather a vanilla townie die than an aux townie. In all likeliness, Mafia will not kill Mafia during the night, so it's best to try to sway the Mafia kill toward a ("100% known") vanilla (especially one which is annoying to the Town) instead of a possible aux.

NoHItter wrote:

5) He knew 100% that Nakata was town, and only justified this 100% through the actions of Nakata.

I don't see what's wrong with what you have said. That isn't to say I don't see what's wrong with Two's reasoning behind seeing Nakata as 100% Town. I do (did, during the latter part of Day 1) agree that he was/is Town, though.

Two wrote:

NoHItter, please explain to me how it's logical for Nakata to have died if mafia didn't think they were aux.

Let me spell it out for you

1. Wine
2. In
3. Front
4. Of
5. Me

Two wrote:

I didn't imagine that strager was going to start a blind crusade against me in that period of time, because to me it still is illogical.

I vote for you yesterday, and the actions during the night didn't change my vote. So I kept it. It's not like I magically un-think you're Mafia overnight. The evidence is still there.

Two wrote:

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1.

We all should, yes.

Two wrote:

I have 5 votes by the way, so all any of you have to do is vote for me once and I'm gone. That would be the easy thing to do, right?

Oh, shut up. You know what you're doing and it's not funny.

Ph0X wrote:

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.

Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.

Two wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

Lying is a scum tell. Do townies really have a reason to lie? Lying means you have to cover something up, which leads to probable slips, which makes you more suspicious. While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations. Mafia, however, are forced to lie in many situations, because telling the truth would reveal their alignment. So yes, lying is a scum tell.

Why are you talking as if I left you to guess what my reason for lying was? Everyone should be lying in this game at some point, whether it's to protect their identity or to protect aux roles, so I guess everyone is mafia for playing to help the town. You make less and less sense every post.

Go learn what a scum tell is and try posting again.

You're just posting for the sake of posting, now.

Ph0X wrote:

While a townie may lie, it's definitely not in his best interest in 95% of situations.

lol'd

Two wrote:

You're just posting for the sake of posting, now.

Your ignorance baffles me.

Lyby, can you please post? DxS, can you please make a meaningful post?

Ph0X wrote:

Lyby, can you please post? DxS, can you please make a meaningful post?

Also DC, what do you think of the situation now.

Two, you're telling us not to vote you, but you're not even defending yourself. Most questions that were brought up to you, you "laughed at" or just put aside without taking it seriously. Provide something substantial and not just AtE's if you really want to defend yourself.

Two wrote:

You should all back up and re-analyze this from day 1.

Great idea. Why don't you do it and post us what you think was suspicious in Day 1.

(Also rereading atm.)

NoHItter wrote:

Great idea. Why don't you do it and post us what you think was suspicious in Day 1.

I have been so lazy this game that I think it would only be right if I did that, especially since I'm gunning for someone to die.

Two, you're telling us not to vote you, but you're not even defending yourself. Most questions that were brought up to you, you "laughed at" or just put aside without taking it seriously. Provide something substantial and not just AtE's if you really want to defend yourself.

You people really are unbelievable. In regards to rust45, the guy misunderstood something entirely (in what I assume was irc, because if not he has more screws loose than I thought) and combined that with some romanticized intuition to happily follow strager. In regards to you, which I assume is what you really cared about, I will respond to your post again.

1. I already talked about this. It's a joke.
2. I already explained this. I think you are having a rust45 moment of crusading while confused.
3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.
4. See 3. Everyone who dies at night is relevant to who is what. Not wanting to talk about it is the telling part.
5. Maybe I'm just smarter than you. Strager seemed to have caught on.

Two wrote:

1. I already talked about this. It's a joke.

As NoHItter said, that's probably the best defense you can create in this game. I marvel at your excellence.

2. I already explained this. I think you are having a rust45 moment of crusading while confused.

Two wrote:

3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.

Okay. That in no way refutes what rust said. You based your support of Wojjan and I on meta knowledge.

Two wrote:

4. See 3. Everyone who dies at night is relevant to who is what. Not wanting to talk about it is the telling part.

Who would be more likely to mention a Mafia death during the night: the one who killed them, or someone else?

Two wrote:

5. Maybe I'm just smarter than you. Strager seemed to have caught on.

I find this insulting. Making a mistake does not make you less intelligent. Don't step down to that level, Two.

strager I'm honestly not even going to read your post

why don't you let one of your sheep take the reigns for once?

Totally like how I'm this meronmyon person yet SFG you even confirmed I was playing D:

GJ.

I can't be the only one who checked DeathxShinigami's flag after reading what he wrote.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

I don't know what you're talking about.

OP.

Two wrote:

I can't be the only one who checked DeathxShinigami's flag after reading what he wrote.

I know he's an Amerifag. And there are tons of people who make mistakes when speaking English, making themselves unintelligable. I'm a "victim" of that at times.

Unvote
@Two: As of now, you've answered some of my points and now I don't quite feel comfortable lynching you atm.

This reread isn't doing anything for me, I'll just think it over tomorrow after some sleep.

rust45
1) Votes 0_o - RVS
2) Unvotes 0_o
3A) Votes Nakata based on what Two said. ("on principle I'd rather lynch the inactive people, but for the love of god can we get rid of this guy")
3B) "whether or not it's scum, will help the town." comment
4) Unvotes Nakata since he's getting townie vibes from him
5) Votes for Two

I don't know if there are any other inconsistencies.

That's about right.
You're just taking everything anyone does out of context though. I don't see how that summary benefits town.

because of the nature of this game, context doesn't matter as much as the bottom line

I know all that endless babble in between is a bunch of weasel words but there's no timeline or anything. You only get one person's actions at a time which you basically can also read by chacking the posts. The actions need to braid together with other people's to get an actual idea of the day.

oh, vote: NoHItter

Two wrote:

3. You should be judging people on 2 things in this game: how they act and who dies. I judged wojjan on both, strager on the latter.

by the way that worked out great last time didn't it?

Well, I tried to provide a sense of time by providing some time statements afterwards, but not on all.
Perhaps someone wants to make one with time posted as the main organization, and not poster. I can't atm.

@Wojjan
Would you care to explain why you voted for me while all I did was to try to post a summary (however useless you think it was?) and unvote?

ow

bleh I'll read through everything later and hopefully post something not useless.

Well shit, sorry about the inactivity but school has started and my brother is home for a couple weeks so I was kinda busy with that crap, I'll re read through everything and think it all over.

Posting. Also, I should note my outlook on the situation hasn't changed.

so how did lybydose even offer to replace him if they are never on

Well I read through everything and I nothing new really popped out at me. I really don't think Two is mafia as I believe all of his actions so far are justified (if not a little overconfident). I don't have any hard evidence against anyone else, but for some reason NoHItter's posts have been rubbing me the wrong way and I can't put my finger on exactly why. So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.

this game is depressingly dead

can you prod deathxshinigami and diamondcrash please

0_o wrote:

Well I read through everything and I nothing new really popped out at me. I really don't think Two is mafia as I believe all of his actions so far are justified (if not a little overconfident). I don't have any hard evidence against anyone else, but for some reason NoHItter's posts have been rubbing me the wrong way and I can't put my finger on exactly why. So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.

Relying on your gut?
It's Day 2. There should be some amount of proof right now.
You can go back to Day 1 and check the actions of everyone.

DiamondCrash has seemed the most suspicious overall to me, but I would rather we lynch Lybydose or deathxshinigami so we can still have some semblance of activity day 3.

Prodding me while not prodding lybydose. @_@ What a shame...

Unvote
After reading through, I have to say that my reasons for voting for Two were not very justified at all. I think I was finding him as arrogant and that was why I voted for him, but now I understand that being aggressive towards everyone is just the way he plays. And getting rid of inactives would be a better thing to do. However, I will wait till we see Lybydose's replacement before voting.

NoHItter wrote:

Relying on your gut?
It's Day 2. There should be some amount of proof right now.
You can go back to Day 1 and check the actions of everyone.

I already did go and read through everything. The focus of all the conversation was either on Two, Nataka or Mashley, the first whom I believe is innocent while the other two are dead. They were the three most active players (with the possible exception of strager, whom I have no reason at the moment to think is mafia) so there really isn't a lot of hard evidence to go on. So yes, for now my vote goes towards gut instinct.

DxS do you have any opinions at all about anyone? If you're gonna join you might as well contribute.

Hello everyone. I am Malachite and I come from the great beyond to play your sport.

I don't have the time to read now, but I hope to get some content to y'all tomorrow.

Oh great, some one shot player just joined, like that's totally better than Lybydose.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Oh great, some one shot player just joined, like that's totally better than Lybydose.

He's been about at useful as you so far.

Sizzle!

Two wrote:

DiamondCrash has seemed the most suspicious overall to me, but I would rather we lynch Lybydose or deathxshinigami so we can still have some semblance of activity day 3.

Can you explain why you find DiamondCrash suspicious?

@Wojjan
You still haven't answered my question.

It's mostly this post that gave it away.

just to remind you all, the day ends tomorrow

y

When I fix some things IRL I'll be able to do a re-read and get involved in this game again.

I've been trying to contact some players via IRC and it hasn't been working. Maybe I'll PM them on the forums.

n

I was just a silent replacement anyways.

n

I'd wait another day at least, might as well get another round of night actions in before calling it quits.

So y

y
I want to at least be able to see what will happen. But we need more people talking today.

y

I'm only not posting cause I've already said everything I have to say. D:

I'm working on a re-read of the game thread. Here's what I have so far:

(link) meronmyon is impatient to get the game started; aux/Mafia tell
(link) Oyashiro Beatrice not amused by RVS
(link) Nakata Yuji role fisher baiting
(link) matthewtck votes without bolding, even after SFG explicitly stated in the thread earlier; shows less care about the game thread; Mafia tell
(link) Nakata Yuji "want[s] the day to end"; aux/Mafia tell; hindsight: response to Two's comment about getting more information after Night (link)
(link) Nakata Yuji tries to reverse the effects of her actions; either the aux/Mafia tell was an accident and she's trying to show she's vanilla (more likely, given her little Mafia experience) or she's trying to cover up that she's an aux or Mafia (and if she was Mafia this possibility would be more likely)
(link) (and in a few of the following posts by Nakata) Nakata Yuji shows her inexperience at Mafia
(link) Faceman steps in, showing he's following the thread, bu
t makes no contributions to the discussion at all; aux/Mafia tell
(link) Nakata Yuji clear doesn't know the game... or assumes everyone else playing is a noob (which is highly unlikely)
(link) Faceman plans for the town; Town tell, given my knowledge of his meta; Faceman is the first to use the term "predator", which is odd (as not even SFG has used that word, until the vote count); Mafia tell
(link) Two misses the point of Faceman's argument, perhaps purposefully to discredit Faceman
(link) WIFOM setup?
(link) rust45 makes the naïve statement that lynching always helps the Town; Mafia or newb Town tell (and IIRC rust45 isn't a newb to Mafia)
(link) Oyashiro Beatrice shows detatchment from the game; Mafia tell
(link) Nakata Yuji's "game turning" post
(link) Two's reaction (an unvote), unexplained; in hindsight this is consistent with what Two said Day 2
(link) pieguy1372 expresses his reaction to Two's unvote (namely him thinking Nakata Yuji holds an important role); in hindsight this plays into Two's plan as well; perhaps Two and pieguy1372 were in communication in an attempt to set this up?; even still, pieguy1372 voted for Two, so I don't suspect buddying
(link) Two builds a case against Mashley, mostly based on Two's belief that Mashley emotionally influences readers of his posts; Mashley and Wojjan comment on this rediculous claim as well; something this weak for a relatively experienced player is a definite Mafia tell
(link) Wojjan also uses "predator"; possible Mafia tell
(link) Two's actions seem consistent with the plan he explained Day 2, in hindsight
(link) Nakata Yuji hints at the Splash ability of her role
(link) Two makes a *possible* Freudian slip, stating "when they posted their role"; this is slightly inconsistent with Two's Day 2 explanation in hindsight
(link) Oyashiro Beatrice jumps in without saying anything useful (again)
(link) >_>
(link) Nakata Yuji shows so much naïvity to how the game operates it kinda disturbs me...

I'll post conclusions after I'm done.

well I vote yes

I think the issue with inactivity is the actual content of the posts that people make, and not their frequency. We're getting a lot of "I'll re-read the thread and get back to you all kthx" posts, and you should all have a decent enough grasp of how the game has progressed to not even need to do that (though with the confusion you all seem to have it is a good idea). Posts like that widen the gap between posts with actual value and stifle discussion.

On the subject of the game, what is with DeathxShinigami's complete unwillingness to post anything at all? Did you join the game just to annoy us or something? And it's not surprising that DiamondCrash would vote no after I said he was the most suspicious.

And strager I disagree that detachment from the game is a "mafia tell". A lot of people are immature and don't like it when they get roles without much importance, and so they have little interest in the game.

Y
Come on guys we need activity here.

strager wrote:

(link) Faceman plans for the town; Town tell, given my knowledge of his meta; Faceman is the first to use the term "predator", which is odd (as not even SFG has used that word, until the vote count); Mafia tell
I'll post conclusions after I'm done.

Actually SFG used "predator" in the opening post. I doubt that it's a mafia tell per se.
Though now that you mention it, we never used predator to refer to scum before. Really odd why Faceman would use that term.

Yes, let's highlight the fact that predator was likely in his role pm. That's super smart and pro-town. (I didn't even notice strager pointing it out)

edit: since today is the last day? and everyone seems reluctant to vote on anything except the continuation of this game, I'm going to just unvote, vote: NoHItter

if it's between me and you dawg I'm going to pick me

In chronological order:

strager

Vote: Two

pieguy1372

Vote: Two

Wojjan

oh, vote: NoHItter

0_o

So for now I'm just gonna go with my gut and vote NoHItter.

Two

I'm going to just unvote, vote: NoHItter

DeathxShinigami

Vote: Two

So, we both had 2 votes before the final two posts, and I voted for NoHItter before DeathxShinigami voted for me. I shouldn't have been lynched, game is broken etc.

It would have been 5 town 2 mafia day 3, so it's a mafia win in my opinion. I don't want to see that bs Ace pulled when town clearly won that game

To illustrate: 10:3 -> 5:2 -> 0:1, 1 = won

Not much you can do now that I've flipped? Don't you mean that there's not much you can do now that you posted my role without double checking votes? See my "illustration" for why the mafia won thx.

Yes but now that is has ended, when you look at the standings, mafia are in the positive and town are in the negative. They've lost 5 to our 1. We win.

No, you don't understand. To win, the town has to eliminate all mafia before they are eliminated themselves. The town has not done their end, either. However, there is a side 'in the lead', and that's mafia. The only part you could argue is that an aux could have killed one of us overnight, and so I propose that we settle this by having whoever would have killed someone tonight take a stab at the last mafia member. If they guess right, town wins. If not, we win.

Well I guess this is as good of a time as any to claim cop and tell you DC is guilty.

DC's guilty what.