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bearing019

NoHItter wrote:

Also, what did Nakata post before he "removed" it.
Two was the only person that saw it. Both strager and I refreshed just that little too late. I'm not sure what possible reason Two might have for keeping this information hid, other than covering for Nakata.
pieguyn
@Mashley: If we lynch Nakata Yuji and he turns out to be innocent we'll likely end up losing a very important role given how Two was acting. (Note that Two would act that way regardless of whether he is a wolf or not because if he is he'd want to avoid suspicion.) As a result lynching Two seems like a safer bet.
Two_old
The problem with your logic is that if they did indeed claim to be a valuable role, and I was a wolf, I could have not only avoided suspicion but I could have lynched that valuable role by simply doing nothing.
Wojjan
Maybe he publicly claimed wolf and gave up?
Nakata Yuji
This has taken an interesting turn of events.
I see why people are voting for Two as it is, as he's been very aggressive.
Given what I posted, even I don't know why he unvoted.
Unvote, btw.
Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
At some point I will stop being lazy and put a constantly updated votecount onto the first page. But right now I'm lazy. Activity's better now. Remember that Day 1 will end a week from tomorrow. The long list of names will remain for ease of copying and pasting because I'm a lazy mod, but I will color people with votes on them.

The Mod is Lazy Votecount

matthewtck (1) - Wojjan
pieguy1372 (0)
strager (0)
0_o (0)
DiamondCrash (0)
Mashley (0)
NoHitter (0)
Oyashiro Beatrice (0)
meronmyon (0)
Nakata Yuji (5) - NoHitter, Mashley, mernomyon, rust45, Oyashiro Beatrice
Two (2) - strager, pieguy1372

Wojjan (0)
rust45 (0)

Not Voting (5) - matthewtck, 0_o, DiamondCrash, Two, Nakata Yuji


Nakata Yuji is at L-2!
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch...
Two_old

Wojjan wrote:

Maybe he publicly claimed wolf and gave up?
troll?
NoHitter
Anyone else notice that "Jester" Nakata is gone?
Mashley
People realise Nataka is acting Jester - Nataka stops acting Jester

Cause and effect, NoHItter ;)
Two_old
Are you people paying attention at all? This is the most lonely werewolf-esque game I've ever played :(

He's been acting the same way up until he thought he was lynched. It had nothing to do with what anyone else thought.
Two_old
After looking back over this thread, I don't think you actually believed what you said. Spoilerboxed since it's a wall of text.

SPOILER

Nakata Yuji wrote:

Vote: mashley

dat fool

Mashley wrote:

I'm not a fool :(
^ being cute, relevant later if you read the rest

then,

Nakata Yuji wrote:

''Wojjan wrote:
Can't we just nolynch today? We have nothing to go on''

she wants the kill

unvote
vote:Wojjan

gogogoogog

Nakata Yuji wrote:

''Wojjan wrote:
Could you maybe, you know, read my other post?''

i just want the day to end, actually
also i would consider that a facade
so I voted for him, and was followed by nohitter and mashley; mashley's post was:

Mashley wrote:

Yeah, this is very suspicious. Nataka seems anxious to get the day over with and have someone out. Here's a PM I recieved from her:
Quote:
change your vote to wojjan or 0_o and I'll change mine to what you do

Now, if we assume that Nataka is scum, then that would make Wojjan and 0_o innocent, wouldn't it?
Unvote, Vote Nataka Yuji
In retrospect, there are several things about this post that rub me the wrong way. The first is the, by itself, innocent fact that they voted as part of a bandwagon. The next part most people will probably disagree with me on, but it's "Yeah, this is very suspicious". Stating things as fact actually is a very effective way to persuade people, as they take it in subconsciously. It's similar to how people say the person's name that they're talking to in order to gain control of a conversation. I think that it was deliberately stated that way, and this is backed up by the last bit, "Now, if we assume that Nataka is scum, then that would make Wojjan and 0_o innocent, wouldn't it?", where he tries to influence the game's perception of not only Nakata, but of Wojjan, 0_o, and himself. Making people believe that x cannot be y because x is opposite of z is extremely valuable for wolves/mafia/whatever, since it allows one of their members to go unsuspected and coast to the finish line.

Then, Mashley posted a screenshot of the pm that Nakata sent him. He had to remove it, but this is what was said in response:

Mashley wrote:

"Nakata Yuji wrote:
notice how you can't see what he sent."

What exactly are you suggesting? >_<
^ ">_<" is acting cute/innocent again

and again...:

Mashley wrote:

Want to explain how telling people about a suspicious PM you sent me is suspicious? Or are you just accusing me for the hell of it? And didn't you just admit to being scum a few posts ago? >_<
Only this time he not only tries to effect your perception with ">_<", but by stating "didn't you just admit to being scum a few posts ago?"

later he posted:

Mashley wrote:

This is confusing :( We don't even know if there is a joker
again trying to be perceived as ignorant/innocent

and finally:

Mashley wrote:

People realise Nataka is acting Jester - Nataka stops acting Jester

Cause and effect, NoHItter ;)
This is the post that made me go back and look. It's so painfully ignorant that it's on the same level as Wojjan's troll post. It's to the point where there just has to be an ulterior motive behind it. Yeah the motive could be good, but go back and find evidence in his posts that supports that, cause I couldn't find it.
so vote: Mashley
Mashley
You based an entire argument on my use of smileys? You do realise I use those all the time, right?
And the thing with 0_o and Wojjan, that was an if. If Nataka ia scum, which I reckon she probably is, then her actions would suggest Wojjan and 0_o as innocent. I'm not trying to sway anything, just considering the possibility.
Two_old

Mashley wrote:

You based an entire argument on my use of smileys? You do realise I use those all the time, right?
downplaying things is also an effective tactic, but where does your mind trickery end :( >_<?
Mashley
Because being effective makes me scum, right?
Wojjan
Mash dear I think you know enough of mafia games and the like to see that there's this certain tactic called distancing I and 0_o could be doing. If someone acts scummy and we jump on it to accuse him and lo behold it's really a mafia, then people will get townie vibes from us, while it's not certain that I'm actually town. See last game where two blatantly fell for my trickeries.
Since my vote is more or less useless with the almost-majority stck in yay-nay over Nakata, I might as well Unvote and vote at a later date. I'll put up a vote for a no lynch until I decide to drop in again, just to save me a nasty phantom vote for D2.

Oh 2, I really really think you could do better than calling people out on their use of emoticons.

:P >_<
Nakata Yuji
when exactly did i quit acting jester...?
type with proper caps = not jester?
when did one ever say that jesters can't make pseudo-insightful posts?



and 2's speech of emoticons somewhat makes sense to me, I would compare the usage of such to judging one by facial expressions
though i'm probably just going to watch how this works out.

apparently, 2 knows what I am, so you might as well confirm what i am before you label me as scum <3
Mashley
Around when it was pointed out that you were acting Jester, Nakata. I thought that was quite obvious.
Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki

Wojjan wrote:

I'll put up a vote for a no lynch until I decide to drop in again, just to save me a nasty phantom vote for D2.
For the record, this game does not utilize phantom votes. If you are inactive you will be prodded. If you don't pick up your prod, I will forcibly replace you. If you are prodded repeatedly without any sign of picking up your activity beyond the bare minimum, I will forcibly replace you. If, after a significant period of time, I am unable to fill an inactive slot, that slot will be modkilled.
Nakata Yuji

Mashley wrote:

Around when it was pointed out that you were acting Jester, Nakata. I thought that was quite obvious.
It was really more or less after I had "give up".
When I was pointed out as a Jester, I responded:

secksey wrote:

*glare*
you got me.
There could be significance behind all of this.
0_o seems to have been right on the whole time, but you know.
How can you know :D
Mashley
But you said that before anyone said you might be a jester?
Wojjan
scratch that last bit then.
Nakata Yuji

Mashley wrote:

But you said that before anyone said you might be a jester?
It was pointed out when strager instructed Cuddles to post that he thought that I was an obvious Jester.

I said that afterwards bro <3
Two_old
there isn't a jester in this game

you can quote me on that and rub it in my face after this game is over, if I'm wrong
Nakata Yuji
we'll just have to find out, won't we?
Mashley

Nakata Yuji wrote:

Mashley wrote:

But you said that before anyone said you might be a jester?
It was pointed out when strager instructed Cuddles to post that he thought that I was an obvious Jester.

I said that afterwards bro <3
No... you didn't... Go and look back at the posts

Nakata Yuji wrote:

damn you got me.
vote for me guys.
Nakata Yuji
page 8 bud
edit: okay, i did say that before strager's post, but still, page 8
Mashley
I'm not sure I follow you... are you trying to roleclaim Jester or what?
Wojjan
Aha. There's our WIFOM.
Nakata Yuji

Wojjan wrote:

Aha. There's our WIFOM.
Two_old
unvote, vote Mashley

also can you prod these people thx:

matthewtck
pieguy1372
strager
0_o
DiamondCrash
Oyashiro Beatrice
meronmyon
rust45
Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
matthewtck has already been prodded, I will prod the rest within a couple days.
Wojjan

Two wrote:

unvote, vote Mashley
Well well. You've been very very indecisive as of late Two. You just now said there is not a jester in this game, and Nakata is playing against town, be he a townie or predator. I'm all for lynching people playing against tow, how about you?
Two_old
you've been trolling for the past 4+ posts, wojjan

for what?
Nakata Yuji
let's keep this civil guys
Wojjan
I just am a horrible person.
rust45
Avoiding prod. Also, my vote still stands.
NoHitter
Claiming Jester as town:
You "protect" yourself, but cause massive confusion for town.

Claiming Jester as scum:
You "protect" yourself, and cause massive confusion for town.
bearing019
Nakata Yuji; Roleclaim.
Two_old

DiamondCrash wrote:

Nakata Yuji; Roleclaim.
wow?

so are you waiting for the 6th vote to lynch them or what? that's what wolves usually do day 1
bearing019
I have no plan to vote for Nakata, thanks.
Two_old
so your plan is to nightkill unless they roleclaim something useless, then?
bearing019
No, because I don't have any nightkilling abilities.

Silly two.
Two_old
I don't see how nakata roleclaiming would benefit town at all. You people are already guaranteeing they get night killed anyway, since you wouldn't leave talk about their role alone. It's also made me consider why even after the post they made, thinking they were already dead, all of you are still voting for them. Is it maybe because half of the voters know that nakata is town and won't give up the lynch?

Nakata Yuji (5) - NoHitter, Mashley, mernomyon, rust45, Oyashiro Beatrice
bearing019
On behalf of strager;

strager wrote:

Two wrote:

Is it maybe because half of the voters know that nakata is town and won't give up the lynch?
Or is it because the voters are town and really think Nakata is scum, possibly because they *are* scum? And you're just trying to get votes off them to defend your buddy or some shit?
Nakata Yuji
This is getting interesting.

I can't wait to see the conclusion that you guys come to.

magikarp
Two_old
Why would I start the chain of votes on my "buddy"? I'm not stupid enough to not know how sticky votes are on the first day. More importantly, why have you still not posted a reason for voting for me? I thought the vote was just your usual bs so I ignored it, but I guess you have a reason?

This is all a distraction though. While I don't know if nakata was honest when they posted their role, I really think they were because of the circumstances and how they've been playing so far. Please don't be dumb and lynch them thx.
Nakata Yuji

Two wrote:

Why would I start the chain of votes on my "buddy"? I'm not stupid enough to not know how sticky votes are on the first day. More importantly, why have you still not posted a reason for voting for me? I thought the vote was just your usual bs so I ignored it, but I guess you have a reason?

This is all a distraction though. While I don't know if nakata was honest when they posted their role, I really think they were because of the circumstances and how they've been playing so far. Please don't be dumb and lynch them thx.
well, you started the chain previous to the revelation of my role. and your cover up is too obvious
Ph0X
(Posting for strager.)

Two wrote:

More importantly, why have you still not posted a reason for voting for me? I thought the vote was just your usual bs so I ignored it, but I guess you have a reason?
Yeah.

I do have a reason.

You kept Nakata's roleclaim to yourself.

Either you're a Townie trying to cover up Nakata's mistake (in which case, why did you say in IRC that Nakata posted their role?) or you're scum trying to either (1) get the votes off your scum buddy who (oops!) "claimed" to get out of a rough situation, or (2) get votes onto another player by playing "hero" by "protecting" Nakata from "possible scum" (like DC and I, who were in IRC at the time).

If you had not gloated that you saw Nakata claim to DC and I in IRC, I may not have thought so much of your unvote and your keeping the roleclaim private. However, you did gloat, and you did refuse to reveal why you did unvote shortly thereafter. I cannot really see any other alternative than "Two is scum".

Two wrote:

Why would I start the chain of votes on my "buddy"? I'm not stupid enough to not know how sticky votes are on the first day.
This is complete bullshit and you know it as well as I (and any other veterans here, including SFG) do.
Hijiri Tezuka
Prod avoided, I can't believe we're in distress over 1 person....I say eliminate the source of the trouble....
Nakata Yuji
I see 2 controversial people at this point in time.
Two_old
Either you're a Townie trying to cover up Nakata's mistake (in which case, why did you say in IRC that Nakata posted their role?) or you're scum trying to either (1) get the votes off your scum buddy who (oops!) "claimed" to get out of a rough situation, or (2) get votes onto another player by playing "hero" by "protecting" Nakata from "possible scum" (like DC and I, who were in IRC at the time).
strager since we are on the subject of mafia/wwg veterans, why is it that one such as yourself limited the options to three? There are more than that.

are you trying to pull a Mashley here?
Mashley
Wait, what? :(
Ph0X

Two wrote:

Either you're a Townie trying to cover up Nakata's mistake (in which case, why did you say in IRC that Nakata posted their role?) or you're scum trying to either (1) get the votes off your scum buddy who (oops!) "claimed" to get out of a rough situation, or (2) get votes onto another player by playing "hero" by "protecting" Nakata from "possible scum" (like DC and I, who were in IRC at the time).
strager since we are on the subject of mafia/wwg veterans, why is it that one such as yourself limited the options to three? There are more than that.

are you trying to pull a Mashley here?
Nice. "There are other options, but I can't think of any right now. You already stated the true case."
0_o
Hi, I can only get the Internet occasionally on my iPod so I won't be active until Monday.

Thank you, and have a great day.

*beeep*
Nakata Yuji
bump?
Hijiri Tezuka
And so it seems that the discussion has died....
NoHitter

Oyashiro Beatrice wrote:

And so it seems that the discussion has died....
Maybe you should contribute next time?
rust45
Yeah, complaining when you didn't contribute much is stupid.

Anyway, I'll be out of town starting on the 22 and I won't be back till the 28, during that time I'll have limited access to the internet (if at all).
Mashley
So uh, what's up?
rust45
Oh Mashely, strager wants you in the irc channel.
0_o
baaaack

I'll read through everything later on today and (hopefully) get back in this.
Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
The mod is having severe internet problems and is extending the deadline until WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 25th. Use the time wisely.
Nakata Yuji
this game is kind of not working out that well
since i'm gonna get lynched anywayssss
0_o
Who wants to be a dear and post a vote count?
Ph0X
It's me again!

Where 'me' is 'strager'.

Vote log
DiamondCrash: Wojjan
rust45: 0_o
meronmyon: 0_o
Mashley: Two
Wojjan: matthewtck
Two: Wojjan
Mashley: matthewtck
Nakata Yuji: Mashley
Oyashiro Beatrice: Wojjan
Nakata Yuji: Wojjan
Two: Nakata Yuji
NoHItter: Nakata Yuji
Mashley: Nakata Yuji
meronmyon: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: Nakata Yuji
DiamondCrash: -
rust45: -
rust45: Nakata Yuji
Oyashiro Beatrice: Nakata Yuji
Two: -
strager: Two
pieguy1372: Two
Nakata Yuji: -
Two: Mashley
Wojjan: (no lynch)
Two: Mashley

Current votes
Nakata Yuji (5) - meronmyon, Mashley, Oyashiro Beatrice, NoHItter, rust45
Two (2) - strager, pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Two
No lynch (1) - Wojjan

I'm interested in hearing your opinions of Two's case against Mashley, 0_o.
0_o
Alright, regarding Two's coverup of Nataka's role: I think it's completely legitimate. If Nataka's role is important then it would be in the town's best interest to keep his role a secret, and also to be aware that his role was posted so the town doesn't vote him out.

Now Mashley I'm not sure what to think of. I can see Two's point with Mash acting overly cute and innocent, but I really don't know him well enough to know if that behaviour's out of the ordinary or not. However if the vote is between Nataka, Two and Mash, I would feel safest voting for Mash.

So vote Mashley.
Mashley
Should have done this sooner, but Unvote, Vote No Lynch since I no longer have a reason to suspect Nataka.
Someone in IRC asked me why I was voting for Nataka and I really couldn't think why I should be voting for her, other than wanting to have a vote on someone, which is stupid tbh. :?
NoHitter

Mashley wrote:

Should have done this sooner, but Unvote, Vote No Lynch since I no longer have a reason to suspect Nataka
OK Mashley. When you unvote, please give a reason.
You have no longer any reason to suspect Nakata? Elaborate.

Edit: Nice edit Mashely

Wait.... so you're now saying that you're vote was nothing but a jump on the bandwagon even after you justified it on the same post?

Vote: Mashley
Nakata Yuji
I'm going to be totally honest.
I want to stay in this, so Vote: Mashely. I understand I'll likely lose because I reached 5 way before if he gets another vote, but if Mash gets another afterwards or I lose mine, I'll be okay.

If you find this suspicious, then rest assured I'm not pulling any crap, I'm just trying to stay alive.
Mashley
Sorry, why are you guys voting for me? No, it wasn't a bandwagon vote NoHItter because I was the first person to vote for Nataka. Recently after talking to strager I realised that it was silly to vote nataka because after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
Two_old

Mashley wrote:

after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
no you weren't the first person to vote for them, you were the third (I was first, nohitter was second)

also what does the part I quoted even mean
Mashley

Two wrote:

Mashley wrote:

after something unusual (which I won't elaborate on, that's strager's job) she said strager noticed it seemed quite likely that she could be vanilla and it'd be best to wait until she says something that actually makes sense.
no you weren't the first person to vote for them, you were the third (I was first, nohitter was second)

also what does the part I quoted even mean
Wait, I wasn't? Okay then. Should probably have checked that first...
Mashley

Nakata Yuji wrote:

magikarp
Here it is. Nataka, tell us all why would said this, please?
Nakata Yuji
If I wanted to tell you, I already would have. Bringing up such a minor detail would be futile in some sort of salvation, you're just grasping at straws at this point in time.

Though I'll give you a hint.
What is a magikarp?
Two_old
a magic... carp?
Nakata Yuji
You're over-analyzing buddy. Actually, it's a useless tidbit of information that I give you when you figure out, but veterans might be able to discern its use.

EDIT:
It's almost as if Mash already knows what it means. It almost sounds like he's trying to imply that I have some sort of shady connection with him. Come to think about it, we had a little private conversation a while back.

But since he know's I'm clean, then obviously there's something more since I don't confer with him.
Ph0X
(Posting for strager.)

Nakata Yuji wrote:

You're over-analyzing buddy. Actually, it's a useless tidbit of information that I give you when you figure out, but veterans might be able to discern its use.
Here's how to stop being a dick.

  1. If the information you are hiding is detrimental to yourself if publicly known, state that.
  2. If the information you are hiding is detrimental to the Town if known by the Mafia, state that.
  3. If the information you are hiding is detrimental to a specific player or group of players if known by a specific player or group of players, state that.
  4. If the information you are hiding is incriminating another player, state that. If possible, state the evidence so we can consider the evidence appropriately.
  5. If you are hiding the information for some other, state that, and state the reason.
  6. If you are not hiding any information, state that.
If you do not respond appropriately, my vote's going to you, Nakata.

Clearly, if you were trying to 'save your ass from the lynch', you would have already done one of the above (or some option I may have missed).
Nakata Yuji
fine, if you're so eager to know.


magikarp --> splash.

That's really it d00d
rust45
I have less of a reason to vote for Nakata and so I'm just gonna unvote for now and vote when I hopefully come back.

And my reason is that Nakata recents posts are giving me townie vibe, I just hope I'm right.
rust45
Alright, I've decided, gonna Vote: Two as I think he is being way too offensive especially with his respones to Nakata.
Two_old
I think he is being way too offensive especially with his respones to Nakata.
0_o
Yeahhh I'm pretty sure every post Two has ever made in mafia has been offensive.
Mashley

Nakata Yuji wrote:

fine, if you're so eager to know.


magikarp --> splash.

That's really it d00d
Yes, that is it. That's the most important thing.
bearing019
So, Nakata, why have you changed from trying to get yourself killed to trying to keep yourself alive, hm?
Nakata Yuji

DiamondCrash wrote:

So, Nakata, why have you changed from trying to get yourself killed to trying to keep yourself alive, hm?
Why, I can't want to stay alive?
everyone's seen through the joker facade by now, i would hope you have too
Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
Day's End Votecount

matthewtck (0)
pieguy1372 (0)
strager (0)
0_o (0)
DiamondCrash (0)
Mashley (4) - Two, 0_o, NoHitter, Nakata Yuji
NoHitter (0)
Oyashiro Beatrice (0)
meronmyon (0)
Nakata Yuji (2) - mernomyon, Oyashiro Beatrice
Two (3) - strager, pieguy1372, rust45

Wojjan (0)
rust45 (0)
No Lynch (2) - Wojjan, Mashley

Not Voting (2) - matthewtck, DiamondCrash


Mashley is at L-3!
At deadline, the player with the highest number of votes, Mashley, is lynched!



WARNING: Lynch scenes spring directly from the mind of the mod and have nothing to do with individual players' alignments.

Approaching a nearby beach, the school of fish argued over who was who. Was Nakata Yuji a predator? Some sort of fish that bred by dying? Just an ordinary fish? Then there was that Mashley character. He'd been acting suspicious towards the end of the day, and the fish were mulling around. First one fin, then another pointed accusingly at Mashley. Nakata Yuji was the last, flipping him up onto the sands of the beach to flop around, suffocating. Mashley gave one last, pained look towards the school as he died, and whispered, "It wasn't...me..."

Mashley, Sea Bass (town), lynched Day 1

It is now NIGHT. Anyone who posts in thread will be punished. Please send in actions by forum PM to the mod. Actions not sent in or actions sent on an invalid target will be randomized.
Oyashiro Beatrice is being replaced. Night will not end until I have done so.
Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
Lybydose has replaced Oyashiro Beatrice! Night will end on August 31st. Any actions not sent in will be randomized.
Topic Starter
Yuukari-Banteki
It is morning now, and the fish wake up to a nasty surprise. There in the water, with tendrils of blood diffusing out from their dead bodies, float matthewtck and Nakata Yuji. The school is at first too shocked to do anything, but soon realize that although Nakata Yuji was a harmless tuna, matthewtck has some rather...large...fangs. In fact, on further inspection, he appears to be a piranha, much feared. Pondering this strange twist, the school turns to each other to argue out another long day.

matthewtck, Piranha (mafia) and
Nakata Yuji, Tuna (town)
are now dead and out of the game.

Day 2 will end on September 14, or when a majority of votes has been reached. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Ph0X
(strager)

Vote: Two
pieguyn
Vote: Two

He seemed to want to lynch both Nakata Yuji and Mashley, who were both Town. And he didn't really have much of a reason for accusing Mashley, IMO. I think he secretly just wants to get townsfolk killed. I may be wrong, but it's the best I can do at this point.
rust45
Gonna Vote: Two

For the same reason as the day before, being offensive to Nakata, and now with Nakata dead and being town, it makes me suspect him more.
0_o
Why are you people saying he was trying to lynch Nataka? Two saw his role and unvoted, and also tried to convince everyone else not to vote for him.

EDIT: Sorry, gotta throw this in too. Statistically, the odds of lynching a townsperson (or fish) the first day is very high, especially since matthew was a predator and never had the chance to be incriminated. So imo the argument that Two started the Mashley lynch doesn't hold a whole lot of water.
pieguyn
I meant before he unvoted. Also, Two could have done that whether he was Mafia or not.
Two_old
k first of all, rust45, I wasn't "offensive" to nakata, read 0_o's post

Second, I have a few things to confess to you all.

1. I never saw Nakata's role. I pretended that I did.

2. I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.

As you may have guessed from #2, I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted. I initially avoided talking about their role in the thread as much as possible so that the mafia would need to gamble on them being aux. The reason why I mentioned it in irc was so that other people could do my work (convincing mafia that nakata was valuable) for me.

I find a few things strange about the opening posts for today though. Why is it that people so readily started to bandwagon on someone who was against the lynching of the person who was night killed, and why has no one talked about the fact that two people died at night?
rust45

Two wrote:

2. I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
Please explain this, why would you want someone dead but not by lynch?
Two_old
if you'll look 1 line down I did explain it
Ph0X
(Any post by Ph0X is a post by strager. I don't feel like posting this little disclaimer each time.)

Two wrote:

Why is it that people so readily started to bandwagon on someone who was against the lynching of the person who was night killed
WIFOM. This is certainly not a valid defense, nor is it a valid case against you.

Two wrote:

and why has no one talked about the fact that two people died at night?
Only those involved have an inclination to mention it. This is similar to Doctors (GA's in WWG terminology) commenting on the success of their protection the following day.

Your statement makes me further believe you were involved in one of the previous night's killings. You're therefore even closer to being a Mafia in my eyes (see my vote).
NoHitter
Interesting turn of events.

Two wrote:

I did want Nakata to die, but I didn't want them to be lynched, so accusing me of lying about that is just stupid.
You claim you wanted to have Nakata be a "decoy". You wanted the mafia to nightkill him, because he would seem important to you.

Two wrote:

I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.
Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.

In effect you gambled on her being townie or not, yet your statements imply that you knew 100% that she was townie.
This is disturbing to me since the only people that know for sure whether someone is townie or not is scum.
Not to mention that if your explanation was accepted (Nakata is decoy), your actions the previous day would be somewhat reasonable.

On a side note: Even roleclaiming wouldn't guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that she was townie.

Vote: Two
Wojjan
Vote: Two to get him to majority.
Two_old

NoHItter wrote:

Two wrote:

I already knew that Nakata had the equivalent of a vanilla role in this game because of how they posted.
Would you care to elaborate on this. This would make sense if you've seen Nakata's roleclaim, but you claim you didn't.
How would me knowing based on how they posted only make sense "if I've seen their roleclaim"?

Yeah I did know 100% that they were town and I did know 100% that they were vanilla. If strager and Wojjan didn't know this too after all the games that they've played, well then I'm disappointed. In effect it pretty much proves to me that strager and Wojjan aren't mafia.
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