exactly, the dududuudud is 01:39:208 (428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442) - (I guess?) but 01:37:382 (412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422) - makes it seem less note-worthy. It feels very out of place in the overall map

it's definitely 'not worthy' of a stream (it's not 1/4 but literally so many things in the song aren't) but it's how i felt like mapping that rhythm xd

OzzyOzrock wrote:

it's definitely 'not worthy' of a stream

Then you already know what to do for that pattern

About 01:15:208 - 01:23:556 - , it's perfectly fine, the rest of the song is mapped with a high density, so going full 1/2 with no breaks is not a problem, it's better to follow without interruptions the melody here, maybe just delete the 1/4 notes there to keep the melody clean.

As for the diff name, let me state my view about it. I kind of understand the difficulty name, but the problem here is that it's out of semantics with the rest of the difficulty, (imagine writing some philosophical term in your grocery list), it's odd, out of place. Since you're stubborn about it, I'd suggest to: follow the standard difficulty naming, go full custom names (I haven't completed the game so I have no idea if it's possible to fill the list with related items), or isn't just "Spider Donut" an option?

But fix the stream, please. You say it's leading into the big notes, but for the same reason, the stream somehow opaques the big notes.

I say 'not worthy' because if it was being mapped easier, it wouldn't be mapped that way. But since I am specifically choosing to overmap, I will choose to. everyone knows my signature endings...

Spider Donut would not work, because then you don't know if it's 7G or if it's 9999G.

It seems that the spider is not dancing anymore

ok the only thing killing me is the last big note because my hand still keeps the 1/4 motion so i miss like a bitch

maybe add a note here 01:40:186 - and remove the finisher on the last note so it's ended like a stream?

as for the 01:37:382 (412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422) - im totally ok with it so ye

call me when youve considered this

You shouldn't be forcing patterns where they don't belong to just because you felt like it. Rest of overmapped stuff isn't bad because it fits and complement nicely the music, but this one isn't

It's not forced. There is a change in melody that I'd like to emphasize with a stream.

discussed that last suggestion with the mapper

I see no reason to not push this forward again

reminder to put your cover on the description you can thank me later

ok, better reasoning for the kdkdkdkkkdkdkdk is flow in general, with the constant kdkdkdkdk easily leading into a satisfying big note hit, ty

I think what Ozzy means is the difference in melody at 01:37:643 with the higher pitched 1/2 which is indeed a bit different compared to previous parts, am I possibly right Ozzy? On the other hand I can understand why people mentioned this, since these higher pitched sounds start a bit later than the stream:

1. 01:37:382 - start of the stream
2. 01:37:643 - difference in melody

That's why I would rather suggest a middle way instead of keeping it or changing it entirely. How about just deleting note at 01:37:577 (415) - . The benefits of this would be to continue with the consistency of kkd, keeping a stream as you wanted and following by this the pace in a more accurate way. One note makes a big difference here and actually makes the pattern more accurate which follows your reasoning.

As for the 01:40:121 (442,443) - , personally I don't find it that problematic because you have the possibility to switch from kat to don which makes it easier to play due to finger switch. But just to make sure, maybe asking for more opinions woulnd't hurt, right?

And one more thing about the difficulty name, since Dake mentioned it. Isn't it possible to have a middle way here, too? I don't know the game, so I can't give any suggestion. But is it possible to bound this name somehow with the difficulty "Oni"? You know, things like we had already in the past: Wrath Oni, WereOni and stuff.

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@Raiden: While it is of course mappers decision how he makes his patterns, you are still not allowed to bubble maps until conclusions haven't been found. You went over Dake and Nwolf's concern without waiting for their final answer, especially Dake.

DakeDekaane wrote:

You shouldn't be forcing patterns where they don't belong to just because you felt like it. Rest of overmapped stuff isn't bad because it fits and complement nicely the music, but this one isn't

No agreement found yet. The bubble was too rushed. Hence, normaly it should be popped until things are settled. After that you can go for the rebubble.

BN rules wrote:

1. Do not rebubble a manually popped bubble without talking to the actual popper beforehand. (Ono: Here it is a DQ, tho)
2. Setting the popped bubble icon on a map's thread means you found issue in a bubbled map that hinders it from being qualified enough for being Qualified. You can also pop over other things like overmapping or things you really feel are just not right.

You are too unconcerned / slacky. And Ozzy's reasoning with all the memes and flow stuff too weak. everyone knows my signature endings... is like saying you can do whatever you want just because it's a mapping lable for you. And we all know, such things with such reasonings ain't work. Though, I backed up some points a bit since I believe I understood the purpose here. But it's not professional, this whole talk from mapper side.

Ozzy answered to their concerns (so there's a conclusion of this), and I agreed with them, hence I am totally allowed to rebubble if I deem fit. I am not unconcerned/slacky in any way.

Dake did not state that it is resolved, did he

A conclusion isn't found by mapper declining the points. If a concern has been raised and it got backed up by several people for various / same reasons it can't be ignored and should be given several thoughts + possible other solutions. Aka a middle way.

Btw. bananannian told me the addition of "Oni" has been already talked about. I probably just missed it. So you can ignore that point.

peppy wrote:

MORE PEOPLE CHECKING YOUR MAP IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR> THEY ARE DOING IT FOR FREE> IF YOU DON"T AGREE THEN FOLLOW UP IN THE THREAD< (BUT STOP FUCKIGN COMPLAINING) > THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL> IF YOU DONT AGREE THEN SAY YOU DONT AGREE>

put the irrelevant thing in brackets
I don't think a middle way has to be forced as this was discussed reasonably *at least from what i can tell*

Okoratu, it doesn't help what you post. People want to find solutions (since as it seems, more guys said something about it) and expect a proper answer by mapper. He doesn't have to accept it, no! But he should answer at least to everything properly. Right now, the bubble has just been rushed and previous people ignored. That's not acting respectful. And please, just let the Taiko guys now settle this in a calm way. I'm really not interested to talk to you about such things when I exactly know that I (or we) can talk to Ozzy freely. We know each other long enough and don't wanna harm him anyway. He knows it.

Right Ozzy...?

I discussed with Ozzy a bit about this map couple hours ago.

Difficulty name: basically he's making a point. He's probably not going to relent on the matter either, so the difficulty name's not changing, no adding "oni" anywhere, no theming Kantan --> Oni around spider donuts either. You either go all the way or you go home I guess.

Ending stream with the finisher at the end:
One, symmetry, a valid reason I suppose;
Two, satisfying finisher at the end, keyword being satisfying
Three, the melody long note ends at 01:40:121, so not continuing the stream would reflect that
I suggested changing the D at the end to K so Raiden could keep his 1/4 hand movement, but he didn't reply about it lol

kkdkddkdkkk: I too suggested breaking it up into smaller plets but I went with kkdkd kdkkk and he said no, I guess we should wait for his feedback on kkd ddkdkkk.

Anyways chill, Ozzy isn't even online and he's the mapper, just wait until he wakes up lmao

It seemed to me that you were pretty insisting to the point where it seemed forceful, as this doesn't seem to be the case, sorry and thanks for clearing that up.

So I screwed it up with my english again? Arg, my bad as well.
And thanks for your feedback bananannian.

Now is when you ask the community about this

As for a compromise, I can see the note deletion suggested by Ono working. Though I'd add a suggestion to delete 01:37:577 (415) - too, since the melody is still the same as previous pattern .

I let him bubble because as mentioned, I believed I had responded to everything. Maybe it was hard to notice since I never directly quoted? The last note is big because I've always thought that the sound a 'D' makes ends songs perfectly, and my answer to Dake is right after his post... also, stop reading my small text as if what it says is serious

Anyways, to avoid causing any more pointless drama I deleted 01:37:577 (415) - (it's actually a nice suggestion!!! clap clap!!!)

And like I've said, I will not make the highest diff have Oni in the name.

Mapping is serious business.

Kantan verSON is Gyuud2watch., my ears

Mantap gan

Grats with qualify Ozzy 0w0

offset is totally wrong...
try +10

HAHA some1 noticed, get rekt ozzy

Nofool wrote:

HAHA some1 noticed, get rekt ozzy

what

could've posted here, people might have (de)confirmed it

ok mom...
I honestly don't hear nor feel any difference between the current offset and +10 from that.
I tested the suggested offset in editor and still got over a 99% accuracy.
The only way I could hear any sort of difference was by slowing playback rate to 25% and even then it was still kinda iffy

it depends on how you are used to focus on the song while playing. looking at all these post/scores on the map, almost none pays that much attention to the real song's timing lol, it personally bothers me a lot if i focus on my ears but i had like a 3x100 score when forcing my acc last time it was qualified.

i don't know about the "+10ms" but you can definitely get a more accurate offset, i didn't post as i assumed none really was bothered (there are a lot more ranked maps with weird offset in fact lol)

edit : also Kuro looking at your score, you average error is mainly you hitting slightly too late which also is a hint

Nofool wrote:

> od7 < (✓)
offset?

offset changes depend on monitor headphone keyboard and own sense.that's why there is local offset

Kuro wrote:

ok mom...
I honestly don't hear nor feel any difference between the current offset and +10 from that.
I tested the suggested offset in editor and still got over a 99% accuracy.
The only way I could hear any sort of difference was by slowing playback rate to 25% and even then it was still kinda iffy

Then you are clearly relying on your eye sight rather than actually listening to the song
It is non-sense how you all modders don't give a shit about the actual offset of a map and getting it qualified...

You could have just contacted any of the QAT to take care of this instead of yelling the mapper via twitter that their offset is shit if you knew the offset felt off. the current offset sounds better than +10, you barely hear it out although. If anyone can confirm that the map requires +10 please contact a QAT member to put an online offset. to disqualify before it gets ranked.

abrian159 wrote:

It is non-sense how you all modders don't give a shit about the actual offset of a map and getting it qualified...

If no one mentioned it could be possible that it is correct after all, that's not related that no one cares.

I would second that the offset is early rn but +10ms is clearly exaggerated.
I would favor 83 or 84 as the offset.

Endaris wrote:

I would second that the offset is early rn but +10ms is clearly exaggerated.
I would favor 83 or 84 as the offset.

After testing a few times with OD10,
I do use +5 as my current local offset.

Stefan wrote:

You could have just contacted any of the QAT to take care of this instead of yelling the mapper via twitter that their offset is shit

are you talking about me? i can't see the part where i yell at him or say his timing is shit :s i only told him my own opinion about his possibly too early offset. idk man we better make a drama about a difficulty name than a wrong offset in a RHYTHM GAME right ?

im not fag enough to call a QAT so he disqualify for some ms, they can fix that online zzzz but apparently you prefer them to disqualify so everyone can waste more time re-bubling etc...... awesome reasoning boyz

else about the right offset id go for 85