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Mapset and Spread Restructure (Proposed)

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Hula
One thing I'm confused about is that insanes are restricted to one per set. So why has light insanes now been totally forgotten? They exist, they're like entry levels to insanes between hard and what a stereotypical insane feels like.

The most unenjoyable mapsets come from sets which jump from Hard -> very hard insane and nothing inbetween the two, a lot of players play a lot of the light insanes and middle ground insanes on mapsets before even considering the extras.


Also, does my star icon which I got from Irre on my Sigma set t/248186 void it from this new ruleset? It's such an old set now and I don't see the problem with me trying to get diffs which fill in gaps. What I don't understand is that this set is now unrankable yet each diff is easier/harder than the other, so the spread is going to be more immaculate than new sets, also I'll be sad to remove diffs.


I appreciate the idea behind this new ruleset, the problem is, why did you implement it before discussing it on the forums? It's inherently going to have issues like you missing out easy hards and very hards, light insanes and insanes. Who decides what's an extra and what's not, it's clear what insanes are.

An example of entry level light insane would be - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/654453&m=0 Without this diff, the mapset would be inaccessible to a lot of players, and Aiceo's diff is far from an Extra.
Nozhomi

Zerss wrote:

I remember when someone talked with me about some ideas of rules that we could add. They told us that we should ask to the community what they think about our ideas of rules.

AND YOU ADD THIS LIKE THAT WITHOUT LETTING THE COMMUNITY THINK ABOUT IT?

is this 1st April?
If only dude, we all hope it is ^^'
Surono

Raediaufar wrote:

my map is NHH diff and if I do NHI the I will be overmap what should I do aaaaaaa

I hope this is just a meme
meme in valentine day, or this stuff make ppl for pathetic. or bla
Shohei Ohtani
Shout-out to everyone suddenly being an activist and talking about poor staff communication skills when i literally talk about it all the time but people are like "lmao shut up Reditum"

Like im just going to go ahead and link the post I made where, when promoting activism and involvement in the development of an effective modding system, to where I was told "hahah just wait patiently for what master feeds us instead of sharing your opinion and expressing concerns", and nobody reallt seemed to disagree except for me and a few others, but now everyone is vehemently acting as if theyve been in support of activism for as long as theyve been alive: p/4797100

Mini-rant aside, While it would have been nice to have had this announced a little bit before being put into place, i think theres some benefits to this.

I think for this to be effective, there needs to be an acknowledgement of a more diverse spread of difficulty in terms of insanes. Because i agree that having like 2 hards is fucking retarded, but there are instances when 2 insanes act as logical stepping stones to difficulty, and i think they should be defined by two different difficulty names rather than excluded.

I entirely dont agree with the approval category rules. While it doest affect me much as i tend not to reach past insane difficulty in my maps, there is a lot of validity of having 5 minute intense-only mapsets. Especially seeing as i come from a time where you could get ANYTHING approved, it makes no sense to limit things.

Im curious to see how this turns out. I think that this actually tackles a lot of issues that have been "taboo" to discuss (aka. Cramming maps with difficulties, spread issues, etc), but id hope that it could be a dynamic system, and that we would someday receive either changes to rules that the majority of the community seem to disagree with, or there are explanations as why this seems to be the beat course of action.
worst fl player
DONT MIND ME JUST TAKING MY NAZIS FOR A WALK
Super Creek

CptBlackBird wrote:

Rumia- wrote:

quick add me on skyp b4 u get 400h silence !!1 xd
ok bby wats ur name we can fug
@nikamirulhamzah looo thx
Poi Panda

Broccoly wrote:

you know something's fucked up when 2 pages of comments appear every minute
so accurate
Sylvette
Someone make a petition to remove these rules.

Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
MEGAtive
Maybe this whole thing is a Valentine Fool since April Fool is not here.
Ascendance

Rumia- wrote:

you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
hi<3
UndeadCapulet

Broccoly wrote:

you know something's fucked up when 2 pages of comments appear every minute
How many pages will we reach before they revert the rule?

My money's on 50!
Ideal

UndeadCapulet wrote:

Broccoly wrote:

you know something's fucked up when 2 pages of comments appear every minute
How many pages will we reach before they revert the rule?

My money's on 50!
150
Shirona

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Flamie Spidlow wrote:


i've never seen before
forum is burning
thx for xxxxx and xxxxxx
you make it
Ayy lmao
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD this forum will be shrine soon
AMEN!
Osu Mapman
LETS DO THIS RUMIA
DeletedUser_3886246

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Someone make a petition to remove these rules.

Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
Yes pls
Serraionga

silmarilen wrote:

lol, i think you mixed up valentine's day and april fools.
CodeS
Is Valentine the new April's fool?
worst fl player
I bet 69 pages
Sylvette

G3m4sSt4ffLP wrote:

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Someone make a petition to remove these rules.

Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
Yes pls
Pls yes
mintong89

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Someone make a petition to remove these rules.

Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738/r
Noffy
At least osu's april fools joke last year was well liked xd
Kencho
Birdy
LOL THIS GAME IS A JOKE
Arphimigon
I like this rule.
Said 0% of mappers ever.
Alyseka
So
you're limiting mappers with this new rule devised from a council of which, most don't map.

How about, no
GIDZ
Dear OSU!(RIP),

I have seen maps without sensible patterning getting mapped and this makes map are get more cancerous, but this rule becomes very vague as difficulty is decided subjectively thus evermore injecting diseases into the ranked map pool. Also this might potentially affect players in both the mapping community and playing community. For example, what will happen to Dragonforce maps?? I strongly believe OSU! staff has to listen to our opinions as our community is built up together and we all have the right to have our opinions voiced out and heard. Furthermore what is the purpose of making this rule, it won't solve or balance anything!

Btw, SUPERCALIFRAGALISTICEXPIALIDOCIOUS STAR LEVEL MAPS ARE GONNA GET RANKED! PEPPI GET DOWN FROM UR JET AND FIX THIS! :V

REGARDZ,
UR MUM.
Ideal
HEY GUYS LET'S MAKE AN EASY DIFF AND THEN A 9* DIFF BECAUSE NOW IT'S RANKABLE
Kiss of Life
Best staff ever, who cares a lot about the community and stuff


dumb.
worst fl player
This is just the same as the new hidden... Fucking scrap this shit please
Anxient


ice cream > new mapping criteria

does this really need any more explanation?
Len
to be honest, for me, its very good stuff
lets make 7293431123461356031star and give rsi to players wow
DeletedUser_3886246

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Someone make a petition to remove these rules.

Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.

G3m4sSt4ffLP wrote:

Yes pls

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Pls yes
JUST DOOOO IT
unko

Kencho wrote:

Please vote it!!!!
http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738

Please vote it!!!!
http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738

Please vote it!!!!
http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738

Please vote it!!!!
http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738

Please vote it!!!!
http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738
how could you possibly trust this community with joke poll options
Sylvette
RIP my map ;-;
Wojowu
Whoever made the fancy pictures, congratulations on using white font on white background.
Shirona
i think xxxxx and xxxxx saw CODE GEASS before
WE ARE THE WORLD
MAKE US WHOLE
uee
I can only hope that this rule does not go through. I am not a mapper, so I'm not going to act like the implementation of this rule affects me, but after the extreme backlash from the community it would show extreme disrespect towards the community if the staff were to continue with this.

Also please fix your graphic design. White text on a white background, seriously?
spoonguy
this thread is popping faster than my popcorn
Mekki
Seriously, you guys of osu staff are just making osu worse, this is completely awful. Less option for players, mostly maps got unrankable... Just when i thought mapping couldn't get worse, it gets...
Rizia
phaZ

Ayako wrote:

is this when strawpoll comes in handy? or is it too hard to make one
i hate pp

RePhantom
Let's take this idea and move it away
worst fl player
This is just the same as the new hidden... Fucking scrap this shit please
Sylvette
Just...
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK RULE 2
lol10801lol
The changes are unfun for both players and mappers, I'm not sure how they got proposed as it is really obvious by just looking at the most played beatmaps, most of which do not fit under new rules.
Ideal

Rizia wrote:

replace something for everything and we have this rule
Bursthammy

Wojowu wrote:

Whoever made the fancy pictures, congratulations on using white font on white background.
this
[TaikoTori]
I made a petition for fun, but should i really post it, lol
Poi Panda

Rizia wrote:

accurate
Ekoro
i'll just use my maps as a counter-example:

  1. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/285153 the music is too calm to have a N-icon diff (or would look spaced with 1/2 on such a calm track), nothing is technically unrankable except "the fact it needs a N-icon diffs" c:
  2. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326461 this would be unrankable cause it has 3 X-icon diffs ; removing Extra would just make a weird strange gap of 2,7*. lol?
yeah, worst idea.

about approval rule, i kinda disagree as a lazy mapper ; what if someone mapped a 25 mins X-icon diff? he would do another 25-mins diff just because of this rule, isn't that annoying?
Sylvette

Rizia wrote:

same
Chemistry
meow
Suisei Hosimati

i hate pp wrote:


Where is HK
Cheesecake
I too think that Apparition needs an insane difficulty
Tenshinawi

[TaikoTori] wrote:

I made a petition for fun, but should i really post it, lol
yes.
Buttercup
I don't like how you are killing 248249324 maps with that new spread rule :/
Jerry
So with that 2nd rule, mappers who already have multiple GDs of the same difficulty icons on their maps have to either remove some of those guest difficulties or split those difficulties into an alternative mapset of the same song?

Were you guys high on drugs during the discussion of this rule?
Shirona

i hate pp wrote:


I AGREE!
Rizia

i hate pp wrote:


^
Mekki

[TaikoTori] wrote:

I made a petition for fun, but should i really post it, lol

HAHAHHAHAHA Yes, you should!
Yauxo
Did anyone actually notice this?



This literally takes all the "community" out of the "community game". Why would you even want to do that.
Histoire
Lets keep to non-shitposts
Suisei Hosimati
This thread
Sylvette
#FUCKRULE2
Osu Mapman
I APPROVE
Zerss
inb4 loctav will lock the post
Shirona

KuranteMelodii wrote:

i hate pp wrote:


Where is HK
RIP SOUTH KOREA
Len

i hate pp wrote:


Super Creek
this is so intense i cant even post hooooooooooooyl hi lovers
DeletedUser_3886246

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Just...
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK EVERY RULE
except the last one with ultra, this one's quite nice
Jon
At last, we altered the requirements for Approval beatmaps. Approval mapsets must have 1 difficulty that is either an Easy, Normal, Hard or Insane. Your mapset must contain an Insane difficulty if an Expert or Ultra difficulty is present. This means that every Approval containing only an Expert or Ultra difficulty must receive a second difficulty. If you do not wish to map more than one difficulty for your Approval sets, we would advise you to keep the single difficulty at Insane level or below.
what the hell
Infeh
these comments are hilarious to read
shionelove

i hate pp wrote:


Sylvette

G3m4sSt4ffLP wrote:

Cirno-baka9 wrote:

Just...
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK RULE 2
FUCK EVERY RULE
except the last one with ultra, this one's quite nice
Rule 2 is still worst though.
#FUCKRULE2
Frey
We mappers contribute our maps for free to this game.
If you want to control us totally, please give us salary.
Mekki

i hate pp wrote:


[TaikoTori]
https://www.change.org/p/tacotori-and-the-osucommunity-we-want-to-revert-the-new-rc-rules

is this working? i have no clue, i have never used this before. Also, here's the ice cream for you guys.
Sylvette

Frey wrote:

We mappers contribute our maps for free to this game.
If you want to control us totally, please give us salary.
This.
Himesaka Noa

i hate pp wrote:


lol
felys
I just have to wait for Filthy frank comin' up on my screen with "IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO!", right?
Ascendance

Rumia- wrote:

this is so intense i cant even post hooooooooooooyl hi lovers
please notice my affection
Sonnyc

Yauxo wrote:

Did anyone actually notice this?



This literally takes all the "community" out of the "community game". Why would you even want to do that.
Don't get distracted by Rule 2!
Kiss of Life
Tomorrow is valentine's day. So 02/14.

14th letter of the alphabet is N

A is the first letter for Ayy lmao, which summarizes the situation.

First letter of "ztrot" is Z,

9 is the number of vodka bottle staff took before posting this, 9th letter of the alphabet is I.

N-A-Z-I
DeletedUser_3886246

[TaikoTori] wrote:

https://www.change.org/p/tacotori-and-the-osucommunity-we-want-to-revert-the-new-rc-rules

is this working? i have no clue, i have never used this before. Also, here's the ice cream for you guys.
Nice
worst fl player
APRIL FOOLS


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GIDZ
NEW GENERATION OF RSI HYPE BOIZ! ALL PLANNED GUYZ
Alheak
The ranking system was suffering, and you decided to kill it out of its misery.

Though I can understand the mapset diff spread rule from a BN/Staff perspective, why add a rule to add another difficulty in an approval mapset? This just adds more work for the staff.

Also one alternative would be to recruit more staff with higher quality standards, but I can understand it could be easier said than done.
kisata

Yauxo wrote:

Did anyone actually notice this?



This literally takes all the "community" out of the "community game". Why would you even want to do that.
This needs to be more visible.
Arf

Sonnyc wrote:

Yauxo wrote:

Did anyone actually notice this?



This literally takes all the "community" out of the "community game". Why would you even want to do that.
Don't get distracted by Rule 2!
Zerss

[TaikoTori] wrote:

https://www.change.org/p/tacotori-and-the-osucommunity-we-want-to-revert-the-new-rc-rules

is this working? i have no clue, i have never used this before. Also, here's the ice cream for you guys.
i love the ice cream
Zeraph
community driven game run by nazis

god bless
Lami
2016 is amazing
Nyanaro
(╭ರ_•́) Hey Lenny look at these funny little retarded developers, ( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°) Doesn't look good to me, maybe we should teach them a lesson with some snip snip wee wee ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)=ε✄
Sylvette

Sonnyc wrote:

Yauxo wrote:

Did anyone actually notice this?



This literally takes all the "community" out of the "community game". Why would you even want to do that.
Don't get distracted by Rule 2!
OH GOD NO
UwU Gaming
i now have Osu! Cancer
Shirona

i hate pp wrote:


THIS PICTURE IS EXTREMELY TOUCHING
I HATE PP MUST GET NOVEL PRIZE IN LIBERATURE
Ideal
should be tbh
mintong89
Is osu gonna split north osu and south osu? who knows
I'm just kd
UndeadCapulet

Sonnyc wrote:

Yauxo wrote:

Did anyone actually notice this?



This literally takes all the "community" out of the "community game". Why would you even want to do that.
Don't get distracted by Rule 2!
wow
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