Aeril wrote:

i feel really happy that i can actually pass that comfort difficulty lmao
Comfort diff BTW xd
00:13:936 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - hmmm, i find the original pattern easier to hit, this one kind of felt awkward to me Reverted. You're not the only person who hated the new setup.
00:15:707 (5,6) - i hit this but felt kinda awkward, maybe space these out a bit more You're right.
00:31:124 (1,2) - never once read this right, might just be me but ughh it just looks like it reads the other way around, prolly easier to read if you move the 2nd hit circle away from the slider its next to nvm, you fixed it just forgot to update xD
00:34:457 (1,2) - i found this fine but would prolly be easier to make the movement if ctrlg'd but wouldnt match the rest of the map i guess xd up to you
01:48:728 (3,4) - hmm, wouldnt this match rest of map if it was put on the slider end? It's meant to not match on purpose. The music here is literally broken and MISSING pieces it had earlier, so the patterns are a bit broken.
01:50:186 (2,3) - also kind of a bit hard to hit since 3 is so close to 2 in like a line so maybe move 3 to a sharper angle?
00:05:395 (1,2,3,4) - also this looks so weird lol compared to the square before it xD

well that was a fun map overall though

dude sometimes i wish i was axarious xd

Chaos wrote:

Extra

00:44:353 (3) - Consider silencing the sliderend here? It does fit rhythmically but the hitsounds here with this sliderend included make it a bit too much, imo. I personally liked the silenced sliderend here when I tried it. I am a firm hater of silenced sliderends during parts of the map where they've got sound on the ends.
01:28:624 - Maybe put a circle at this time to fit the vocal chops here, since you already have (1) which is mapped to it. You could place the circle on top of (2) to keep it simple or do whatever you see fit mapping wise if you take this suggestion. The problem with that is that the vocal is actually on the 1/6 BEFORE the blue tick and it's extremely hard to make this readable at all. The vocals are not timed friendly at all.
01:35:082 (5,6) - Following the previous vocal chops as above that could have emphasis in the mapping here. A triple of some kind might work here. I can understand if you want to keep this the same for rhythm's sake as it works alright. Same issue as the other one.

There are couple of circle placements that I'm not personally fond of but can't say needs any changing. Difficult map to mod for me but I'll let other people talk about any other issues they find. gl Shiirn =]

StoryTime wrote:

Same tbh

a loli wrote:

i think you could change some of the 1/3s in this mapped to be much more spaced, right now nearly every 1/6 is overlapping completely
00:40:186 (1) - take this section for example, this spacing for the triple could be increased a lot so that they don't touch each other


00:27:061 (1) - this should be spaced a lot more, it looks very much like a 1/6 stream

all in all, very good map with a nice flow to it. The emphasised parts are perfectly done like 01:21:124 (1) and i loved 00:56:645 (1)

Voli wrote:

ok so mapping an advanced for this is a PAIN because of the 1/4s just throwing it out there lol

Shiirn wrote:

It's ridiculously hard to make a diff between Normal and Hard.
If someone wants to try, give it a damn shot.

Shiirn wrote:

God Shiirn you've got a screw loose

Ongaku's Insane

Collab Hard

Probox's Easy

Shiirn wrote:

Xexxar's map wasn't a 288bpm alternator jumpfest / singletap stamina test, it was a plain eroge OP

Xexxar wrote:

Shiirn wrote:

Xexxar's map wasn't a 288bpm alternator jumpfest / singletap stamina test, it was a plain eroge OP

wow this song is super calm? it disgusts me how mappers are utilizing big spacin just for pp? overdone for pp wow spacing wow you should map to song not to spacing noob mapper

The Fetish wrote:

Ongaku's Insane

01:15:186 (1,2) - Blanket m8. fixed
01:17:790 (2,3) - This one is ever so slightly off. fixed
01:26:020 (5,1) - Stack is off. fixed
01:31:020 (6,7) - Blanket slightly off again. fixed

fieryrage wrote:

144 bpm alternate map i love you

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comfort

tbh you might as well make the ar to 10
also is slider tick 4 needed im pretty sure slider tick 2 would do just fine and make it so its not impossible to combo the map without slider breaking???? discussed on irc

also by the way 00:13:936 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - these aren't snapped correctly, some of them are off by 1 ms, idk if there's any more ill check
00:05:915 (5) - nc to maintain consistency with 00:02:374 (1) - and 00:04:249 (1)
00:09:040 (5) - ^ ncs done
00:14:560 (3) - maybe add a slow slider here for the synth? gotta think about that one
00:27:895 (3,4) - that overlap on the 4th slider feels weird af maybe change it to this or something fiddled with it a bit
00:52:895 (1,2,1,2) - ctrl + g ing this looks pretty cool idk if you want to do that tho this causes anti-jumps that feel weird in the entire pattern
00:54:874 (2,3) - yo having this slider end on the main beat feels really awkward, maybe end the 2nd slider on the white tick and start the third one on the blue tick or smth fiddled with it a bit, i think it's way cooler
01:14:353 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - who a calm down man Moved a bit down. Biiiit less crazy.
01:18:207 (4) - make this more curved pls k
01:29:978 (1,2,3,4) - the first slider is fine in this but the rest of them is uhhh not following anything?? the second slider should be 1/6 if im hearing correctly This is really weird as the vocals are litearlly like 1/8 and 1/6 and even 1/12 but there is also an actual chime roll im trying to map instead. it's really confusing and idk what exactly to do with it
01:53:311 (1) - make it so the spinner end isnt loud af pls ty ok

ex

i still don't think slider tick 4 fits hereeeeeee
00:12:895 (1,2) - you go into a jump after this you might as well make these jump too for flow ok
00:14:561 (7) - same suggestion as comfort [/color]
01:18:520 (1,2,1,2) - hel lo please make these triples and not kicksliders or at least move the kicksliders away from the other slider :^(
01:53:311 (1) - same thing as comfort k

ongaku's insane

00:02:061 (2) - don't you have to nc sv changes? this goes for most of the intro
00:21:540 (7,1) - oh my god can you not do this ;-; make it a slider like this cuz that looks ugly
00:39:770 (3) - nc
00:54:978 (1,1) - the repeat sliders here make it so you're missing a lot of important beats that would be better off with circles / sliders emphasizing them imo
01:04:040 (2,3,4,5) - nc these for consistency with the other parts like this
01:08:207 (2) - ^
01:13:311 (1) - this sv change gotta go f a s t
01:16:645 (8) - nc?
01:25:395 (2,3,4,5,6) - these would prob be better nc'd because sv changes and stuff idk
01:33:520 (5) - nc
01:40:603 (5) - either nc this or 01:40:811 (6)

ok

fieryrage wrote:

ongaku's insane

00:02:061 (2) - don't you have to nc sv changes? this goes for most of the intro Somewhat, applied. lol
00:21:540 (7,1) - oh my god can you not do this ;-; make it a slider like this cuz that looks ugly The slider wouldn't be following anything, and I don't like when sliders do that. Instead, I stacked (7) over (1), if that makes it less ugly :c
00:39:770 (3) - nc applied
00:54:978 (1,1) - the repeat sliders here make it so you're missing a lot of important beats that would be better off with circles / sliders emphasizing them imo changed
01:04:040 (2,3,4,5) - nc these for consistency with the other parts like this fixed
01:08:207 (2) - ^ fixed
01:13:311 (1) - this sv change gotta go f a s t Don't know whether this is a suggestion, but g o t t a g o f a s t
01:16:645 (8) - nc?
01:25:395 (2,3,4,5,6) - these would prob be better nc'd because sv changes and stuff idk applied
01:33:520 (5) - nc applied
01:40:603 (5) - either nc this or 01:40:811 (6) changed a bit of things around that part. still applied NC
ok

1. Spread feels really not nice between Extra and comfort, you will need to get more opinions.. personally I feel:
   Easy---Normal------Hard-----Insane-----Extra---------------Comfort
   but ask more opinions of course!

1. 00:06:801 (1) - unsnapped
2. 01:08:572 (5) - unsnapped
3. just use AR 10???? i really don't see why 9,9 lol.. bpm and the way is mapped already call for it
4. 00:16:020 (1) - man this slider shape looks really bad and unclean, I'm sure you can do it better, actually looks really old tbh
5. 00:20:186 (2) - whistle spam is really annoying to hear, you don't need to add it at every single spot, remove them atleast from the 1/8 ticks?
6. 00:22:686 (1,1) - TBH I can't really agree with those overlaps for obvious reasons, just try to don't hide it under the slider, at this speed is so hard notice at first play- there is 1 more I think
7. 00:26:020 (1) - 1/4 slider fit better the music clearly, there are more cases where this happen, probably you trying to follow some noise sound, but I believe following the beats its better, they are clear
8. 00:27:686 (1,2) - really need to be overlaped? I guess you could easily come with something better, ex:
   
   SPOILER

   
9. 00:30:395 (1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,1) - can you explain how combos work at this and similar parts?
10. 00:33:520 from here to 00:34:249 - according to the music, should be a 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 pattern, instead you have an inconsistent one because you did end a slider in an active beat at 00:33:520 - anyways I really advice you to reword this rhythm to:
    
11. 00:38:520 (3) - This slider shape looks ugly from my point of view, maybe try something else?
12. 00:44:665 00:48:520 (1,3) - cute lol
13. 00:49:145 (1) - try to blank better with 00:48:520 (1) -
14. 00:47:582 (4,5) - did you miss the triplet on purpose? I mean following the melody should be a circle in 00:47:547 (4) - and other at 00:47:617 (5) - like you did previously
15. 00:51:749 (1) - i feel this and other blue ticks new combos don't make any sense with the music, for example doesn't make more sense that instead of having a NC on 00:51:749 (1) - add it on 00:51:853 (2) - where the new melody its starting? there are more cases check by your own
16. 00:56:645 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - this is really cool .
17. 01:05:186 (3) - according to your previous combo pattern at 00:56:645 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - should be at NC in 01:05:186 (3) - following the previous one at 00:58:520 (1) -
18. 01:01:332 (2) - add NC? fit really nice with music, if you do then add it as well at 01:08:207 (2) -
19. 01:07:061 (1,1) - don't stack perfectly at this bpm stacks and overlaps are super hard to read, I did the same mistake at my 266 bpm map

1. 00:04:249 whys is this acitve beat being ignored, according to the music you shouldn't, a really easy way to fix without having a weird polarity issue would be to:
   
2. 00:06:228 - similar as above, this need a click action according to the music, same in 00:09:561 - check others by your own, tbh such strong beats shouldn't be slider tails, mainly in an extra diff
3. 00:16:228 - similar as above, even your NC make more sense there, just hear the melody and you will notice.
4. 00:22:895 etc ^ rhythms can be alot better at certain places
5. 00:25:186 (1) - what is the reason behind the single combo? tbh you can just remove it, instead of create ann unnecessary HP boost
6. 00:27:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - reduce the spacing consistent, actually it fluctuate too much
7. 00:27:895 (1,1,1,1) - don't need to spam NCs just the first one is enough, the other 3 NCs just create unnecessary HP boost
8. 00:29:561 active beats going again at slider tails
9. 00:31:124 (2) - you can create a better blanket with 00:30:811 (1,3) -
10. 00:32:895 (4,1) - Nazi, blanket can be improved
11. 00:37:895 same as 00:29:561 -
12. 00:46:853 (1) - this isn't NC on comfort diff, why it is here, just remove it and maybe you are missing a NC in 00:48:311 (5) -
13. 00:52:374 (4,5) - make this a bit more close, so the spacing is a bit more different than in 00:52:478 (5,1) -
14. 01:09:561 (1) - I'm sure you can come with a better slider shape, current one isn't that good IMO.
15. 01:18:520 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - rhythm its really not nice, try to map the strong beats as slider head or circles - 01:18:728 - 01:19:145 -
16. 01:19:978 (1,2) - jump its too much 2 doesn't have any high pitch, tbh is an almost inaudible beat, so the jump its really overdone
17. 01:21:020 (5) - add NC, be consistent with 01:21:228 (1,2,1,2) -
18. 01:24:040 (2,3,1) - spacing
19. 01:27:374 (4,5,6) - same bit more readable tho

1. 00:03:520 (1,1) - don't need to be that close, they will look better with a bit more spacing between them
2. 00:02:061 (2,1) - ^^
3. 00:12:790 (4,1) - nah make them overlap, this play super bad, imo and doesn't fit with the actually difficulty of this mapset
4. 01:44:561 (3,1) - something went wrong here uh
5. 01:51:228 (1,1) - ^^^^^^
   
   Edit part:
   
6. 00:22:061 I'd highly suggest looking at the rhythm in this map again, there so many active beats that end on slider ends (worst is that those sliders star in really pasive beats)
   
7. About combos, lets take a look: 00:21:749 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and 00:23:311 (1,2,3) - idk get how your comboing work, according to the music, I'd add a NC in 00:22:686 (6) - and remove the one at 00:23:311 (1) - , there are more cases were the comboing its super inconsistent, for example 00:20:811 (5) - vs 00:24:145 (1) - , try to check the whole diff and try to be more consistent with it
8. 00:39:457 (2) - head and tail are mapped to strong sounds, that's regulary fine, but the repeat of this slider is mapped to a really different beat making the slider weird to play, I'd just add a 1/1 slider as extra and comfort diff, follow the hold sound is the best idea here tho
9. 00:46:332 (1) - remove nc, melody is the same as the previous slider, the place where your NC should be is : 00:46:853 -, but then again you leave that active beat as slider tail
10. 00:56:645 (1,1,1,1,1) - No Sv changes why the combo spam? just creating unnecesary HP boost, there is nothing hard to read in the pattern, (even tho I'd suggest playing with SV a bit here)
11. 00:59:978 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - ^
12. 01:03:311 (3,1,1,1,1,1) - ^^^ you don't even have a NC on 3 here, even tho is the first beat on the melody change
13. 01:06:645 (2,1,1,1,1,1,1) - ^
14. 01:39:874 (1,3) - a bit hard to read when playing, try to manual stack it (move some grids away)

1. 00:02:895 (1,2,1,1) - again the combos without real reason to be, mind explaining why? personally I think 00:03:520 (1) - is totallt unnecessary
2. 00:06:228 (4,5) - this don't have NC here, but the same rhythm at 00:02:895 (1,2) - have, why?
3. 00:14:978 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - again your comboing its weird for not apparent reason, anyways I don't want to point them all, just recheck and make them consistent
4. 00:19:040 (5) - this slider is ending in a really inaudible or almost inaudible beat, would make alot more sense if you end it at 00:19:353 - also you will avoid the weird polarity issue by doing this.
5. 00:08:311 (1,3) - not a fan of those sliders, thhy looks like really old and not good shaped

1. looks fine to me

1. 00:37:061 - don't ignore this, its so strong in te music

Natsu wrote:

General:

1. Spread feels really not nice between Extra and comfort, you will need to get more opinions.. personally I feel:
   Easy---Normal------Hard-----Insane-----Extra---------------Comfort
   but ask more opinions of course! Most players and modders have no problem with the spread issues between Extra and Comfort. Anything in between would just feel really awkward as it'd either be a buffed up version of extra or a heavily nerfed Comfort, there are no good anchor points for a difficulty between these other than massively nerfing the spacing of comfort (which would just be superfluous)

Comfort

1. 00:06:801 (1) - unsnapped
2. 01:08:572 (5) - unsnapped
3. just use AR 10???? i really don't see why 9,9 lol.. bpm and the way is mapped already call for it All of these done, AR10 done.
4. 00:16:020 (1) - man this slider shape looks really bad and unclean, I'm sure you can do it better, actually looks really old tbh What? it's a linear slider. I made it a bit less jerky....
5. 00:20:186 (2) - whistle spam is really annoying to hear, you don't need to add it at every single spot, remove them atleast from the 1/8 ticks? Sure, why not... it's just soft whistle either way.
6. 00:22:686 (1,1) - TBH I can't really agree with those overlaps for obvious reasons, just try to don't hide it under the slider, at this speed is so hard notice at first play- there is 1 more I think I have never, ever, ever, ever seen a player capable of playing this difficulty miss this note, on first run or otherwise. This may be due to the fact that players of this caliber pretty much for sure have custom skins, but because this is actually very structured already ( 00:22:478 (7,1,1,2) - all of these blanket eachother either with slider tracks or approach circles) I would really, really like it to be kept as it is. If forced I can move the note somewhere else.
7. 00:26:020 (1) - 1/4 slider fit better the music clearly, there are more cases where this happen, probably you trying to follow some noise sound, but I believe following the beats its better, they are clear Both this and 00:25:186 (1) - are emphasizing the single usage of the instruments placed there - they're brief holds rather than just taps (which 1/4 sliders are). I want, and players do experience, the difference between a 3/8 brief hold slider and a 1/4 "extended tap" slider. These have played very well and I have received a lot of support for them.
8. 00:27:686 (1,2) - really need to be overlaped? I guess you could easily come with something better, ex: Overlap Fixed.
9. 00:30:395 (1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,1) - can you explain how combos work at this and similar parts? Readability. These new combos are here purely to simplify readability for players at these ridiculous velocities - a single combo will lead to complicated, overlapping track lines and confusing combo numbering. By having them all be different colors and distinctly separated in terms of patterning, it is sight readable that the player can expect the back-and-forth hops. This applies to all of the later combo setups I use 1,2 in.
10. 00:33:520 from here to 00:34:249 - according to the music, should be a 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 pattern, instead you have an inconsistent one because you did end a slider in an active beat at 00:33:520 - anyways I really advice you to reword this rhythm to: There is actually a 3-point pattern in the music as well as an overlapping offbeat set. The way these notes are set up are to emphasize the offbeat hopping. I have not heard any playability concerns about this pattern, and to me it does what it sets out to do. With a piece of music like this - clearly designed for a game with more than five independent buttons to press - I need to make sacrifices here and there. This fits the later on 1,2 offbeat patterns to maintain playability.
    
11. 00:38:520 (3) - This slider shape looks ugly from my point of view, maybe try something else? I mean they're not exactly meant to be art exhibitions...
12. 00:44:665 00:48:520 (1,3) - cute lol
13. 00:49:145 (1) - try to blank better with 00:48:520 (1) - tried
14. 00:47:582 (4,5) - did you miss the triplet on purpose? I mean following the melody should be a circle in 00:47:547 (4) - and other at 00:47:617 (5) - like you did previously ??? I have no idea what you're suggestiong here. There is nothing in the music that implies a 1/8 triple nor a set of three 1/4 notes. It is an offbeat pattern and it plays extremely well.
15. 00:51:749 (1) - i feel this and other blue ticks new combos don't make any sense with the music, for example doesn't make more sense that instead of having a NC on 00:51:749 (1) - add it on 00:51:853 (2) - where the new melody its starting? there are more cases check by your own A lot of the combo color fiddling has been done with the intent of making the map as readable as possible - with how fast these patterns are and with the extreme speed they race at the player at, I've probably messed up here and there at making other new combo sets consistent, and I've looked at them for so long the yolk normal to me. I'd love if people could give new combo suggestions along those lines such as this.
16. 00:56:645 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - this is really cool .
17. 01:05:186 (3) - according to your previous combo pattern at 00:56:645 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - should be at NC in 01:05:186 (3) - following the previous one at 00:58:520 (1) -
18. 01:01:332 (2) - add NC? fit really nice with music, if you do then add it as well at 01:08:207 (2) -
19. 01:07:061 (1,1) - don't stack perfectly at this bpm stacks and overlaps are super hard to read, I did the same mistake at my 266 bpm map Because this is the fourth iteration of the exact same beat pattern, I found that no matter what I did or where I put that slider and no matter how hidden it was, players hit it. This is the fourth time in a row that this beat pattern is set up, so players not only expect it, they're doing it almost entirely unconsciously at this point. If there is a ranking rule that requires it to be visible at these velocities, then i'll move it but as it is I think it's really neat.

Natsu wrote:

Ongaku's Insane:

1. 00:03:520 (1,1) - don't need to be that close, they will look better with a bit more spacing between them applied
2. 00:02:061 (2,1) - ^^ applied
3. 00:12:790 (4,1) - nah make them overlap, this play super bad, imo and doesn't fit with the actually difficulty of this mapset somewhat, applied
5. 01:44:561 (3,1) - something went wrong here uh fixed
6. 01:51:228 (1,1) - ^^^^^^ fixed

wip mod ~

1. 00:34:978 (1,2,3) - Circles here can be a bit hard to hit due to amount of sounds involved on this section, what about making a slider instead? Would be easier for newbie players.
2. 01:37:478 (1) - You should avoid this slider and similars. The amount of repeaters is way too high for any difficulty.
3. 01:46:645 (1) - I'm really worried about this slider. As soon as 01:44:978 (1) - ends, 01:46:645 (1) - pops into the screen, and that's unrankable I'd say.

1. 00:29:353 (3,4) - Rhythm kinda sucks here, especially on 00:29:561 - because it's not clickable. I'd go with http://puu.sh/mYMl0/e7ef8f41bd.jpg .
2. 00:54:874 (1,5) - The overlap is quite ugly here.
3. 01:13:728 (2) - Can you make this look more pretty and simple? Just curve it once, flows better! https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4485288 .

1. 00:57:374 (1,1,1,1,1) - 01:00:707 (1,1,1) - (etc.) All these NCs are completely unnecessary. There's no change on the snap nor the SV, don't abuse of the new combos .

1. 00:06:783 (1) - Yo, what's up with that drum sampleset? Sounds really, really bad.
2. 00:16:020 (1,1,2,3) - After all the circular flow, BAM, you force the player to do an antiflowy movement and, BAM, again with the linear flow on (1,2,3). What do you think about this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4485370 cool pattern I just made? It's some good shit, right? Yeah, improve mine lel.
3. 00:22:895 - Could you make this clickable? I think it's worth it.
4. 00:27:895 (1,1,1,1) - The spam?

1. 01:09:561 (3) - Can you NC it for the sake of readability? ty

Natsu wrote:

Extra:

1. 00:04:249 whys is this acitve beat being ignored, according to the music you shouldn't, a really easy way to fix without having a weird polarity issue would be to: Sure why not.
2. 00:06:228 - similar as above, this need a click action according to the music, same in 00:09:561 - check others by your own, tbh such strong beats shouldn't be slider tails, mainly in an extra diff Most of the time in this difficulty I am making the map less dense by having beats on slider starts and endings. if you want every single strong beat to be emphasized, you're going to end up with a tiny-spaced Comfort. Some beats have to be sacrificed to the Slider Ending God, and thus some are.
3. 00:16:228 - similar as above, even your NC make more sense there, just hear the melody and you will notice.
4. 00:22:895 etc ^ rhythms can be alot better at certain places
5. 00:25:186 (1) - what is the reason behind the single combo? tbh you can just remove it, instead of create ann unnecessary HP boost Anyone who tells you that new combo fiddling like this fucks with the HP setup is lying. HP is something I don't even consider in a map - if they completely lose rhythm they're going to fail either way and whether or not they get "bursts" of hp means absolutely nothing to the map's playability. Also, these have new combos to emphasize the different instrument that play exactly once in the entire track. (Seriously camellia?)
6. 00:27:061 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - reduce the spacing consistent, actually it fluctuate too much changed
7. 00:27:895 (1,1,1,1) - don't need to spam NCs just the first one is enough, the other 3 NCs just create unnecessary HP boost if I hear the term "hp boost" one more damn time. this is for aesthetics, not for hp fuckery. I will change it if forced.
8. 00:29:561 active beats going again at slider tails God of Slider Endings
9. 00:31:124 (2) - you can create a better blanket with 00:30:811 (1,3) -
10. 00:32:895 (4,1) - Nazi, blanket can be improved k
11. 00:37:895 same as 00:29:561 - God of Slider Endings
12. 00:46:853 (1) - this isn't NC on comfort diff, why it is here, just remove it and maybe you are missing a NC in 00:48:311 (5) - New combo here is to alert the player to the fact that this is a 1/6 combo. It's much easier for a player to read "1,2,3,4" and realize it's a quad than "2,3,4,5".
13. 00:52:374 (4,5) - make this a bit more close, so the spacing is a bit more different than in 00:52:478 (5,1) - Quite different already but sure.
14. 01:09:561 (1) - I'm sure you can come with a better slider shape, current one isn't that good IMO. stop killing my mapper spirit
15. 01:18:520 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - rhythm its really not nice, try to map the strong beats as slider head or circles - 01:18:728 - 01:19:145 - Seriously? are we listening to the same track? The slider starts and the slider ends are completely the same intensity to me, and the 1/8 triplet ending with a slider is vital to playability. It allows players who alternate to hit the 1/8 triple as well as players who singletap the rest of the map to hit it more comfortably. Not every strong beat can have a note.
16. 01:19:978 (1,2) - jump its too much 2 doesn't have any high pitch, tbh is an almost inaudible beat, so the jump its really overdone The jump isn't emphasizing the note, it's emphasizing the noise at the end of the initial slider. Players almost never miss these because it makes sense.
17. 01:21:020 (5) - add NC, be consistent with 01:21:228 (1,2,1,2) - k
18. 01:24:040 (2,3,1) - spacing ok moved 2 a bit closer to have it be fairly even
19. 01:27:374 (4,5,6) - same bit more readable tho Sliderends and starts allow for conventional spacing to be thrown out the window if done in a manner that allows the music to tell the player when you should hit the next beat, more than the spacing or approach circle. This is part of how freestyle spacing works.

Collab Hard:

1. 00:02:895 (1,2,1,1) - again the combos without real reason to be, mind explaining why? personally I think 00:03:520 (1) - is totallt unnecessary I use new combos not just to reset the arbitrary number on the note, but for color changes to emphasize instrument changes or readability. HP concerns are something I don't even think about for a second. The HP system already makes no sense for this game and especially doesn't matter when people always want to full combo or retry. HP concerns again, mean nothing to me, so I'll use new combos for other, more interesting functions.
2. 00:06:228 (4,5) - this don't have NC here, but the same rhythm at 00:02:895 (1,2) - have, why? oversight, thanks for letting me know. NC'd.
3. 00:14:978 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - again your comboing its weird for not apparent reason, anyways I don't want to point them all, just recheck and make them consistent
4. 00:19:040 (5) - this slider is ending in a really inaudible or almost inaudible beat, would make alot more sense if you end it at 00:19:353 - also you will avoid the weird polarity issue by doing this. That is not how polarity works. Especially regarding slider endings. There is no polarity issue as there is plenty of time for the player to adjust to the new beat patterning in the song, especially since the next note actually does, indeed, start on a downbeat. While it is true that the slider ends on a quiet beat, I felt that a longer slider would be even more awkward for gameplay and honestly not do very much else. There's meant to be a pause but I felt that simply having a note instead wasn't enough to emphasize the instrument used.
5. 00:08:311 (1,3) - not a fan of those sliders, thhy looks like really old and not good shaped Oh well.

Shiirn wrote:

I have to ask: Do people really think about HP while mapping or modding? Because you shouldn't, I feel. If someone can mod a map that creatively uses new combos for functions such as readability and instrument emphasis, and say "but this screws with the HP!", why aren't they looking at other maps where the harder sections don't have new combos more often to allow for misses to regain HP more quickly? Because that's stupid. HP doesn't matter, especially when most maps nowadays have HP drain settings so low that you'd need to miss several notes in a row to fail anyway.

Natsu wrote:

2. Combos should be build having a pattern like following stanzas or the music rhythm, but never for readability, if you need a NC to make something readable, then the pattern in question is the problem

Natsu wrote:

3. When you spam combos without reason, you allow players to bulls**t their way, (spam keys like crazy and still pass cause the unbalanced HP settting)

Natsu wrote:

Ongaku's Insane:

1. 00:03:520 (1,1) - don't need to be that close, they will look better with a bit more spacing between them applied
2. 00:02:061 (2,1) - ^^ applied
3. 00:12:790 (4,1) - nah make them overlap, this play super bad, imo and doesn't fit with the actually difficulty of this mapset applied
4. 01:44:561 (3,1) - something went wrong here uh fixed
5. 01:51:228 (1,1) - ^^^^^^ fixed
   
   Edit part:
   
6. 00:22:061 I'd highly suggest looking at the rhythm in this map again, there so many active beats that end on slider ends (worst is that those sliders star in really pasive beats) I tried my best trying to follow the drum elements, since its the most common element i work with, while trying to map the other elements. I can see that the slider ends are landing on important beats, but I find it well fit there. It has its... own sort of charm.
7. About combos, lets take a look: 00:21:749 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and 00:23:311 (1,2,3) - idk get how your comboing work, according to the music, I'd add a NC in 00:22:686 (6) - and remove the one at 00:23:311 (1) - , there are more cases were the comboing its super inconsistent, for example 00:20:811 (5) - vs 00:24:145 (1) - , try to check the whole diff and try to be more consistent with it I'm going to do a recheck on my map look for NC inconsistencies. Reason why its like this, is because I don't particularly pay attention to NC while mapping ^ ^;;
8. 00:39:457 (2) - head and tail are mapped to strong sounds, that's regulary fine, but the repeat of this slider is mapped to a really different beat making the slider weird to play, I'd just add a 1/1 slider as extra and comfort diff, follow the hold sound is the best idea here tho fixed
9. 00:46:332 (1) - remove nc, melody is the same as the previous slider, the place where your NC should be is : 00:46:853 -, but then again you leave that active beat as slider tail removed 00:46:332 (2) - NC and made 00:46:645 (1) - NC
10. 00:56:645 (1,1,1,1,1) - No Sv changes why the combo spam? just creating unnecesary HP boost, there is nothing hard to read in the pattern, (even tho I'd suggest playing with SV a bit here)
11. 00:59:978 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - ^
12. 01:03:311 (3,1,1,1,1,1) - ^^^ you don't even have a NC on 3 here, even tho is the first beat on the melody change
13. 01:06:645 (2,1,1,1,1,1,1) - ^ fixed up all of them.
14. 01:39:874 (1,3) - a bit hard to read when playing, try to manual stack it (move some grids away) somewhat, changed it.

Shiirn wrote:

I have elected to remove the Comfort difficulty as it is not rankable with the current system. Apologies to anyone who wanted to see it ranked, but it is always playable if you want to play it.

Shiirn wrote:

I am not offended by any of them

Shiirn wrote:

There are always Mazzerin maps, after all. One of his just got an icon with a fraction of the effort I've put out into reaching out.

Kynan wrote:

Please don't rank this as it is, it's been made with that ONE diff at first, why would it end on a mapset WITHOUT that original diff ?!

1. 00:59:978 (1,2) - This transition isn't good because players will want to cut corners on the sliders instead of playing it through unlike all the other sliders. With patterns like this you want players to play through the whole slider and a bit more to get that emphasis going.
2. 01:06:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same can apply to the stuff here, where you kind of want to break the directional flow of the slider inorder to have a better time playing the next slider. Stuff like : 01:00:395 (2,3,4) - play really well though, because players can go through the entire motion of the slider without experiencing a flowbreak onto the next slider's path. This really draws out the emphasis you get from the slider-motions, Try and reflect this kind of motion if you can. Stuff like: 00:56:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Is also really nice for the same reasons .
3. 01:30:186 (2) - I wish you could Ctrl+G this instead cuz it would flow a lot better coming out of slider 1. But you'd have to do some pattern changes (i think its worth it).

1. 00:08:727 (2,3,4) - I would just keep the spacing the same. There are too few circles here for that decelerating stream thing to make sense here. It just looks out of place rather than a design element unless you have like 4-5+ circles imo.
2. 00:27:895 (1,1,1,1) - Im actually surprised you didnt do anything over the top here lol.
3. 00:33:520 (1,2) - While there are two beats here, the one on 00:33:624 (2) - is really feint in comparison. I think this pattern is better two two sets of beat pairings, rather than 3. Try making this a slider instead.
4. 00:35:256 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I really recommend making these all NC's because it gets rid of the follow points in between circles and it forces players to be more aware of their rhythm. (I would apply this to other diffs that are Insane+ too)
5. 00:52:686 (1,2,3) - Fix the spacing here?
6. 01:29:978 (6,7) - This sounds more 1/3 to me... What do you think? ;o.

1. 00:08:311 (1,2) - This is fine but like
   
   You could try angling it a bit both for more readability and cuz its pretty cool imo xD

   
2. 00:12:895 (1,2) - No jump here? Good place for emphasis.
3. 01:44:978 (1) - This slider doesn't look like it's snapped properly. Actually a lot of the sliders in this section are snapped to 1/12 and 1/16's... check your snapping with Extra.

1. 01:16:228 (5) - Can we not do 2x repeat sliders please? :C Just do two sliders instead and remove both repeats.

1. 01:09:978 (1,1) - This isn't enough recovery time for a spinner because you've mapped this difficulty using 1/1 rhythm on 140 bpm.
   Also, thats a really large break :C.

Monstrata wrote:

[Comfort]

1. 00:59:978 (1,2) - This transition isn't good because players will want to cut corners on the sliders instead of playing it through unlike all the other sliders. With patterns like this you want players to play through the whole slider and a bit more to get that emphasis going. The transitions for these are fine due to the extremely large sliderball area we have for our cursor to be in. They're all very close together and there is plenty of leeway in every direction for players to have their cursor between these notes.
2. 01:06:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same can apply to the stuff here, where you kind of want to break the directional flow of the slider inorder to have a better time playing the next slider. Stuff like : 01:00:395 (2,3,4) - play really well though, because players can go through the entire motion of the slider without experiencing a flowbreak onto the next slider's path. This really draws out the emphasis you get from the slider-motions, Try and reflect this kind of motion if you can. Stuff like: 00:56:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - Is also really nice for the same reasons . I had already re-done this pattern and I think i can take a bit of liberty on the "bounce" direction here since it's the fourth and final iteration of the same pattern they've been doing.
3. 01:30:186 (2) - I wish you could Ctrl+G this instead cuz it would flow a lot better coming out of slider 1. But you'd have to do some pattern changes (i think its worth it). Hnnnghhh, true, but i like how the slider curves INTO 4 as well. idk what to do exactly

[Extra]

1. 00:08:727 (2,3,4) - I would just keep the spacing the same. There are too few circles here for that decelerating stream thing to make sense here. It just looks out of place rather than a design element unless you have like 4-5+ circles imo. UHHH THIS WAS ACTUALLY A STACKING ERROR DON'T TELL ANYONE
2. 00:27:895 (1,1,1,1) - Im actually surprised you didnt do anything over the top here lol. I can totally make them 1/8 sliders if you like babe
3. 00:33:520 (1,2) - While there are two beats here, the one on 00:33:624 (2) - is really feint in comparison. I think this pattern is better two two sets of beat pairings, rather than 3. Try making this a slider instead. Changed the first pair into a slider. Fits gud.
4. 00:35:256 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I really recommend making these all NC's because it gets rid of the follow points in between circles and it forces players to be more aware of their rhythm. (I would apply this to other diffs that are Insane+ too) I'm torn with these because the follow points let it be actually readable in a "psuedo-random" pattern which the music is kind of doing, but at the same time they're actually quite the same time apart from eachother. I'll new combo them.
5. 00:52:686 (1,2,3) - Fix the spacing here? How in the f-----
6. 01:29:978 (6,7) - This sounds more 1/3 to me... What do you think? ;o Discussed on irc, tl;dr: the vocals are pretty much impossible to map directly as they occur because it uses a weird combination of 1/8 and 1/6, so diffs that map them just map "over" the voice.

[Ongaku]

1. 00:08:311 (1,2) - This is fine but like
   
   You could try angling it a bit both for more readability and cuz its pretty cool imo xD

   
2. 00:12:895 (1,2) - No jump here? Good place for emphasis.
3. 01:44:978 (1) - This slider doesn't look like it's snapped properly. Actually a lot of the sliders in this section are snapped to 1/12 and 1/16's... check your snapping with Extra.
4. All done.

[Collab Hard]

1. 01:16:228 (5) - Can we not do 2x repeat sliders please? :C Just do two sliders instead and remove both repeats. Ahahaha, yeah uhh done

K2Shape wrote:

One good map with a Irony inside :
The hardest difficulty is started as 'Comfort' when it isn't comforting to play that insane difficulty at all XD.

Garven wrote:

Extra:
01:14:353 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why? Doesn't fit the overall map flow at all and seems like just a high point of stress for a fairly flowing musical thought which is repeated for the entire song.

Kynan wrote:

Garven wrote:

Extra:
01:14:353 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why? Doesn't fit the overall map flow at all and seems like just a high point of stress for a fairly flowing musical thought which is repeated for the entire song.

How does it not fit ? It's the most enjoable part of the map IMO D:

Garven wrote:

What is it representing in the song compared to the rest of the map that calls for such a drastic departure from the established flow?

Len wrote:

nice map

Gero wrote:

Also 01:14:353 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - How about adding NCs here for a better readability? as you did on Extra otherwise trying to do something different instead.

Garven wrote:

Extra:
01:14:353 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why? Doesn't fit the overall map flow at all and seems like just a high point of stress for a fairly flowing musical thought which is repeated for the entire song.

Timorisu wrote:

And you complain about AXION being overmapped? lol.

Natsu wrote:

This really need a diff between Extra and Comfort, you can argue about rhythm being similar, but the jump in skill range its really huge, as I said before in my mod.. Even if you close thinking its imposible its fairly easy to make a diff between them and improve the spread. Even if just memes about the Ultra thing this set feels like that, Take in mind im not talking about the numbers at the star ranting, but about both diffs (Not only my opinion, you know I asked some people for this as well).

Shiirn wrote:

but this kind of "crazy mapping" is something most self-respecting mappers stopped doing early on as it is a newbie fantasy.

Silynn wrote:

I like this map, but I don't Comfort is ready for ranking in its current state. There's a lot of things that don't flow well and need to be polished. Lots of the placements look random and could be cleaned up quite a bit, and there's also many places in the map where you lose track of the melody and start placing objects on weird beats. I don't know if that is intentional, but if it is I feel that it detracts from the map.

Here's a few examples (I don't want to do a full mod right now, but if you want me to go over the map in more detail with you, let me know in-game)

00:27:686 (1,2,3,4) - I don't know if it's just me, but this is very awkward to play, especially when 2keying. I would make the spacing in this pattern simpler, or change the rhythm all together I've never seen this considered awkward to play. It's basically juast an 8-note 144 stream followed by alternating brief holds. If anything, this pattern is way easier to alternate than it is for singletappers since the later end of it basically forces alternation.

00:31:332 (6,7) - the 6 should be 1/2 and the 7 1/1 to follow the melody better. The current rhythm is awkward for the player to follow and detracts from the structure of the map These two notes are following the bass as it fades in and out. The rhythm is fine. The structure is perfectly fine.

00:32:374 (3,4) - the 3 should be a slider here as well. I know you're following beats that are technically in the music, but if you're going to map mostly to the melody - keep it consistent. It gives the player a better feel of the music and makes things less awkward. I either recommend making the 3 a 1/2 slider and the 4 a note, or just ditching 4 completely and making 3 a 1/1 slider I feel like you don't know what you're trying to say here. This entire section is following the bass with a secondary focus on the instruments below it. This is what most maps do...

00:33:311 (3) - this doesn't really make much sense musically. the long note starts on the 2 before it, so either make that a 1/1 slider or follow a different rhythm like this:
http://puu.sh/n7TIg.png

Okay, so many things are wrong about that particular note of yours. 00:33:415 - this is a tiny ass wub right here, but you want me to have a click on it? When the current rhythm is quite adeptly following the really weird bass patterning the music is? I dunno, man. I really want to be objective and rational with this here and not sound like a hater but none of this is actually making any sense to me.

anyways just a few things to point out that the map definitely isn't ready. I think it needs a lot more work on it. Message me in-game if you want more opinions.

Mazziv wrote:

@shiirn mind explaining me a few things? (extra diff)
00:16:436 (2,3) - i literally vomit everytime when i see this,why dont you just simply stack? Blame the people that cry "hard to read" when it's stacked. Normally I stack them.
00:36:228 (1) - i dont even know what to say bout this slider. it just hurts in my eyes. you should use a simple curved slider not this lmao Weird noise, weird slider. It's not like it's all that ugly, it just has a weird bend. What's your problem?

Mazziv wrote:

@shiirn mind explaining me a few things? (extra diff)
00:16:436 (2,3) - i literally vomit everytime when i see this,why dont you just simply stack? Blame the people that cry "hard to read" when it's stacked. Normally I stack them. mind showing me those people saying its hard to read? as now it just looks horrible imo



00:36:228 (1) - i dont even know what to say bout this slider. it just hurts in my eyes. you should use a simple curved slider not this lmao Weird noise, weird slider. It's not like it's all that ugly, it just has a weird bend. What's your problem?

RikiH_ wrote:

Guys, don't even try to give suggestions, he just rejects everything thinking he's the best. This map is really low-quality, as I already addressed in my previous mod

Kynan wrote:

WTF is up with you ? Do you think you're any better with you linear stream maps ? It's not because you can't play the map that it's bad, and if you want a extra diff because you think the spread isn't good (when it is), then you're free to make a GD with repetitive jumps for 6.xx stars I guess ?

MillhioreF wrote:

Agreeing with the general idea of what Silynn said. You've chosen to make a map that has very little structure and instead relies on flow and powerful spacing to carry it, which is a valid design decision given the song choice - but as a result, your flow has to be on point in order to make this a good map, and in that regard it isn't quite ready yet.

A couple more examples in Comfort of things that can be improved, although far from an extensive list:

00:27:686 (1,2,3,4) - While this pattern itself holds up fine, the way these notes squish into (1) of the next combo is really awkward due to the lowered spacing and tight angle. It feels like the next (1) would be better above (4). The brief hold sliders are in a triangular pattern. I can simply reverse 2 and 3 so that they bounce outwards instead of inwards, but that'd mean increasing the spacing so that we don't have OH MY GOD OVERLAPS CALL 911 etc etc

01:05:915 (7,8,9,1,2,3) - This whole cluster of notes is oddly powerful for how relatively calm the music is, and smashing your cursor down to (1) feels a bit strange due to the angle. This is following the beat of the music, and 8,9,1 are very powerful snare hits that are much more prominent than any one of the other bass-spam sections.

01:19:561 (6) - This should be flipped vertically, nobody is gonna move their cursor -upwards- on this slider. This is fairly semantics-level modding. It's meant to imply a curve over to (7) but at these speeds i guess people just click it and rush over to the next note and that MAY cause them to 100 this. Sure, I'll move it, just hope people don't whine that it increases the spacing.

01:30:915 (5,6,7) - Having (6) and (7) go the same direction on these weird back and forth hops is just plain awkward, especially considering the cursor movement to get to the next note. I agree that this is rotated the wrong way, but short of redoing the entire section just ctrl+ging it would lead to a much larger jump than i wanted. I'll just ctrl+G it and see how it goes.

This doesn't go on to list the extensive amount of times you intentionally wreck the smooth flow of the map by requiring hairpin cursor turns or having a slider start where flow dictates it should end. I personally don't like this at all, but I don't think I'm qualified to determine how well it plays in practice. The hairpin turns are all intended and play quite well with the music. I do agree, however, that if there are any instances in which the map is unfair by telling the player to do one thing and then punishing them for it (for example, the sliders that will 100 you if you try to hit the note after them in a direct line) then those should FOR SURE be fixed but I need good mods for those because if I just fix them myself nobody ever notices they were changed and then i get people claiming i need more mods for other inane reasons

If possible, you should try and add some more structured patterns to the map as well, since I'll be honest, it looks butt ugly in most places. While play is obviously the most important thing in a beatmap, and this map accomplishes that decently, you should at least try to add some sense into your patterns where you can instead of the "fling you cursor out and place a circle where it naturally feels like it should go" style of mapping that some mappers tend to use. I for one find the ridiculously stringent rules placed on aesthetics for maps is hurting their creativity. Now before people start quoting me back at me, hear me out. This map is very structured, but it also has many breaks in the structure purely to move into a different set of rules. For example, some of the bass-heavy points use the "blanket spam" structure that gave Comfort its name, and the parts of the map, especially the kiai, that are much more note-heavy and less inclined to the bass use a back-and-forth setup and movement yes, reminiscent of Tengaku. When you put all of these together without actually taking a moment to think about what the mapper is doing, it can look like a messy hodge-podge of "random" structure. Which is just silly. I was originally a mapper when the entire concept of "transitions" either between patterns, structure, or beat patterns was really starting to take hold in the meta and it will likely stick with me forever. If that makes my maps "look" ugly, then so be it.

Some people think this map is hopeless. I'm inclined to disagree, but saying it's ready for ranking in its current state is an overstatement. Please get a few more mods and top player opinions, and I highly suggest toning down the spacing during pretty much the entire kiai as well. Maybe if people actually would mod it and i've gotten many top player opinions and implemented MANY MANY MANY of the suggestions you damn know me milly you know I'm basically a lightning rod for community input so don't tell me these canned phrases.

(Also I'm pretty sure the current spread isn't rankable yet. The new rules have been repealed for now, and whether it SHOULD be rankable is its own discussion.) (i'll argue against making a 6* diff until the point where this map is nuked if need be)

MillhioreF wrote:

"fling you cursor out and place a circle where it naturally feels like it should go" style of mapping that some mappers tend to use.

Shiirn wrote:

I mean, it's unfortunate for you Mazziv, but no matter how loud you cry or how bitchy you get, it's not going to make your or RikiH's mods any more relevant or acceptable for me. You're just embarrassing yourself.

Smoothie World wrote:

Hey, gonna mod this tomorrow night when I'm home since you modded my map. : )

Shiirn wrote:

I mean, it's unfortunate for you Mazziv, but no matter how loud you cry or how bitchy you get, it's not going to make your or RikiH's mods any more relevant or acceptable for me. You're just embarrassing yourself.