22:24 Nube: hay shirno
22:25 Nube: 00:20:811 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - like I said before I love this rhythm and I think it would be nice to play the same rhythm here 00:34:145 (6,1,1,2,3) -
22:26 Nube: at least when it comes to the slider on the vocals
22:26 Nube: it has great impact in the first example
22:27 Shiirn: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA
22:27 Shiirn: stop
22:27 Shiirn: let me post
22:27 Shiirn:
p/489642622:27 Nube: xdxdxd
22:28 Shiirn: but its not the same rhythm
22:28 Shiirn: it only does the wub once
22:28 Shiirn: so i only do the slider once
22:28 Nube: but for example not starting the slider 00:34:145 (6) - makes little sense to me
22:29 Nube: instead you start it on a nearly inaudible sound in comparison to the music
22:29 Shiirn: 00:34:249 (1) - this is on the wub
22:29 Shiirn: rather than the bass
22:29 Shiirn: cuz i cant put a slider on both
22:31 Nube: wouldn't you say (6) is the start of a new pattern there?
22:31 Nube: idk it may not be very important
22:31 Nube: it's just something I felt lost a bit of impact
22:31 Nube: even making short sliders would work for me
22:32 Nube: i'd give you a pic but my push is acting up
22:32 Nube: so instead im awkwardly silent
22:33 Shiirn: o.o
22:33 Shiirn: lol
22:33 Nube: but yeah I get that it's different rhythm wise, had to slow it down a bit
22:34 Nube: but I still feel it could get greater impact being mapped similarly as the first

22:34 Shiirn: mmmm
22:34 Shiirn: that's a tough one
22:34 Shiirn: honestly
22:34 Shiirn: like i see your point
22:34 Shiirn: but now i ahve to think
22:34 Shiirn: "what am i gonig to do"
22:34 Nube: I was thinking
22:34 Nube: note here 00:34:561
22:35 Nube: 1/4 slider here 00:34:665
22:35 Nube: note here 00:34:874
22:35 Nube: 00:34:874
22:35 Shiirn: 00:34:665 (3) - so make this 1/4?
22:35 Nube: ye and adding a note behind
22:35 Nube: also I would love to see 6 as a slider but thats fine if you dont want to change
22:36 Nube: as I believe it supports this pattern more than the one right before it
22:36 Shiirn: yeah 6 as a slider is
22:36 Shiirn: like i normally do
22:36 Shiirn: i totally do cuz of the bass
22:36 Shiirn: but idk how to apply the single wub of the same style that happend 3 times in a row previously
22:36 Shiirn: while having a slider for the bass
22:43 Shiirn: ok well i did the 1/4 slider thing cuz ur right, it deserves a note
22:43 Shiirn: still dont know what to do with the bass but ill leave it (HOW DARE I DENY MODS OMG EVIL MAPPER ETC ETC)
22:48 Nube: i reworked it to something I felt played really well
22:48 Nube: only problem is how I show it to you
22:49 Nube: ok i named it comfort2
22:49 Shiirn: loool
22:49 Nube:
http://puu.sh/n833F/2609d4022a.osu22:50 Nube: err keep in mind the unicode fucked up there
22:50 Nube: always does for me for some reason I cba to look into
22:50 Shiirn: yeah
22:50 Shiirn: puush + unicode = boom
22:51 Shiirn: let's see here
22:52 Shiirn: let's see
22:52 Shiirn: ugh
22:52 Shiirn: it ignores the wub entirely
22:52 Shiirn: T_T
22:53 Nube: if you listed to it in 100% speed
22:53 Nube: which I guess is what people will be playing this as
22:53 Shiirn: true
22:53 Nube: the wub is barely noticable
22:53 Shiirn: you're right
22:54 Nube: :v
22:54 Shiirn: you're riiiiight
22:54 Nube: well how it looks is completely up to you
22:54 Shiirn: ill remap it a bit
22:54 Nube: thats just something I threw together
22:54 Nube: xd
22:55 Shiirn: feel free to post irc logs
22:55 Shiirn: for kd
22:55 Shiirn: cuz im implementing
22:55 Nube: I'll probably do some more modding if thats the case
22:55 Nube: see if I find something else
22:56 Shiirn: yeah
22:56 Nube: shit you'll steal my mod virginity
22:56 Nube: for almost 2 years
22:56 Shiirn: looool
23:01 Nube: how about having this slider 00:30:603 (2) - like this instead for the back and forth movement you're going for throughout the map, I think it plays smooth
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/453539423:01 Shiirn: mmm
23:01 Shiirn: you mean more like
23:01 Shiirn: ah i see what you're saying
23:01 Nube: I think the angle you have atm is a bit awkward but I see why you're doing it
23:01 Shiirn: lemme think about it for a bit
23:02 Shiirn: you're right
23:03 Shiirn: i think having it be less of a rotational mirror
23:03 Shiirn: having it be a cascading-out pattern would be really neat
23:03 Shiirn: also change ur skin DAMN EVERYTHING IS WHITE
23:03 Nube: wahaha yeah I usually use default skin when mapping
23:03 Nube: just played something before so I forgot to change
23:06 Nube: I still dont like these at all xd 00:09:561 (1,2,1,2) -
23:07 Nube: not only that 00:09:665 (2) - ends on a really strong note with the slider, but because the movement is really weird and for the start of the map idk, it's really hard to predict
23:07 Nube: or to read is probably the better word
23:07 Nube: I see that you use similar patterns
23:07 Nube: 00:16:228 (1,2) -
23:07 Nube: for example
23:07 Nube: but then the song has kicked in
23:07 Nube: I think going crazy then is fine
23:09 Nube: but if anything I'd just prefer having that combo 2 end on a circle by shortening it a little
23:10 Nube: 01:01:436 (2) - this would play 10x better if it was 3 circles according to the scratch which is 1/6
23:11 Nube: something like this
http://puu.sh/n84xQ/078d4f40a2.jpg23:11 Shiirn: back
23:11 Shiirn: uhhh
23:12 Nube: again going by the most prominent sound 100% speed
23:12 *Shiirn reads
23:12 Nube: it feels you're missing out by having a slider there
23:12 Shiirn: i was afk
23:12 Shiirn: LOL
23:12 Shiirn: I GOTTA READ
23:12 Nube: yeye ye its fine I just throw in what I find xdd
23:13 Nube: feel free to respond whenever
23:13 Shiirn: 00:09:561 (1,2,1,2) - THESE ARE STAYING
23:13 Shiirn: MWAHAHA
23:13 Shiirn: IM SO EVIL I DENY ALL MODS
23:13 Shiirn: i love how they play
23:13 Shiirn: idk
23:14 Nube: ghahah
23:14 Nube: shiiii
23:14 Shiirn: i reworked 00:09:665 (2) - pattern
23:14 Nube: well if you're reworking, I'd suggest double checking the flow in this section 00:31:853 (1,1,2,3,4) -
23:15 Shiirn: 01:01:436 (2) - i was told by a BN
23:15 Shiirn: this was 1/6 before
23:15 Shiirn: but it was an awkward hold
23:15 Shiirn: idk what to do
23:15 Nube: movements feel pretty straight and awks
23:15 Nube: hm
23:15 Nube: I feel the 1/6 is what you hear
23:15 Nube: when you play this part
23:16 Nube: I'd map it for that alone
23:16 Nube: if you see a still slider with that sound in it you'll be confused
23:16 Nube: haha
23:16 Shiirn: i mean
23:17 Shiirn: it was a repeat
23:17 Shiirn: but it was played as a 1/4 slider
23:17 Shiirn: at this speed
23:17 Shiirn: mishitting will break combo
23:17 Nube: you have a 1/8 triple here tho lol 01:06:540 (3,4) -
23:17 Nube: just a few sec after
23:18 Shiirn: because its clearly a 1/8 triple
23:18 Shiirn: a 1/6 kick slider played as a 1/4 slider that's tapped
23:18 Shiirn: will sometimes break
23:18 Shiirn: and it feels unfair to the player
23:18 Shiirn: cuz the instinct is to tap it like a 1/4 slider especially when the other slider snext to it
23:18 Shiirn: are, well, 1/4
23:19 Nube: well I proposed a 4x stream in which the last note is a slider
23:19 Nube: in high density, it's not that hard to hit right
23:19 Shiirn: oh a 1/6 stream
23:19 Shiirn: hmmm
23:19 Nube: especially considering this song
23:19 Nube: like the pic I provided
23:19 Nube: also just for lulz
23:19 Shiirn: i mean
23:19 Nube: 01:06:645 (1,2,3,4,5) - this could increase the star rating by like 1 star
23:19 Nube: if you wanted
23:19 Nube: LOL
23:20 Shiirn: ?
23:20 Nube: all those sounds in the sliders
23:20 Shiirn: yeah
23:20 Shiirn: i am aware
23:20 Shiirn: i specifically dont map them
23:20 Shiirn: cuz this shit is hard enough to rank as-is and everyone loves the bass sliders
23:20 Nube: I think this is fine
23:20 Nube: yea
23:20 Nube: they are nice
23:21 Nube: was just playing with the idea of ending up with a 9* map after DQ
23:22 Shiirn: rofl
23:22 Shiirn: i had a 9* map
23:22 Shiirn: it was dumb
23:24 Nube: I have to be honest
23:24 Nube: I'm trying to understand the kiai
23:24 Nube: but it's just blank in my head
23:24 Nube: at least the second one
23:24 Nube: haha
23:24 Nube: playtesting wont do because I can't even read this
23:24 Shiirn: its mapped more to intensity than anything else
23:24 Nube: I think the slidershapes are what confuses me
23:24 Nube: so many oddly angled c sliders
23:25 Shiirn: possibly
23:25 Shiirn: they're honecombed patterns
23:25 Shiirn: 01:28:520 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) -
23:25 Shiirn: blankets
23:25 Nube: 01:32:478 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - trying to play this is just really hard
23:25 Nube: which is a given
23:26 Nube: but unnecessarily hard I'd say
23:26 Nube: imo because of the slidershapes and angles they are facing
23:26 Shiirn: bear in mind
23:26 Shiirn: players, at this level
23:26 Shiirn: are going to be hitting and going straight to the next note
23:26 Nube: but those you linked make sense
23:26 Nube: they kinda flow well
23:27 Shiirn: i want the sliders to point AT somewhere else
23:27 Shiirn: without them 100ing
23:27 Shiirn: the actual curve doesnt matter
23:27 Shiirn: past a certain angle
23:28 Nube: well you do as you like, I'm just pointing out my concern that if the sliders looked different /faced different directions it would play way better
23:28 Nube: if anyone dares to touch those in a mod
23:28 Nube: I'm certain you'll hear it again
23:29 Nube: curves do matter when playing
23:29 Nube: it can really mess with the flow
23:29 Shiirn: i am aware
23:29 Shiirn: believe me i am aware
23:30 Nube: 01:17:478 (1,2) - this movement for example
23:30 Nube: if you'd go for a straight line you might sliderbreak
23:31 Shiirn: good catch
23:31 *Shiirn ctrl+g's
23:31 Shiirn: that's some of what millhiore was mentioning
23:31 Shiirn: in his DQ mod
23:31 Shiirn: just making sure the sliders point the right direction
23:31 Shiirn: moved 1 to be closer
23:31 Shiirn: so that jump isnt as dumb
23:31 Nube: I'd say something like this would even work better
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/453557923:32 Nube: easier to read too
23:32 Shiirn:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/453558423:32 Nube: personally I'd rework those 4 sliders as in perhaps making a flipped (2) slider above it as combo 3 then keep the others as 4 and 5
23:33 Nube: but thats just my style
23:33 Nube: I guess
23:33 Shiirn: stop kill my mapper spirit
23:33 Nube: sry ;_;
23:33 Shiirn: no no is joke
23:34 Nube: placing 01:18:936 (1,2,3) - stacked behind 01:18:415 (6) - would improve the flow in that pattern
23:35 Shiirn: ok
23:35 Shiirn: done
23:35 Nube: 01:20:915 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - lol this is nice
23:35 Shiirn: SEE THAT'S EASY
23:35 Shiirn: that offbeqat ladder
23:35 Shiirn: so hard to play
23:35 Shiirn: but so rewarding
23:36 Nube: 01:30:186 (2) -
23:36 Nube: why doesnt this end on the blue tick
23:36 Nube: actually
23:36 Nube: nvm
23:36 Nube: thats misplaced entirely
23:37 Nube: I get this
http://puu.sh/n86oT/194313b888.jpg23:37 Shiirn: yeah uh
23:37 Shiirn: dont try to map the vocals
23:37 Shiirn: you'll just get a headache
23:37 Nube: but you are mapping them
23:37 Nube: x)
23:38 Nube: 01:29:978 (1) - this one is 1/8 and then it becomes 1/6 on the next note you hear
23:38 Nube: so a repeat there is mistimed
23:38 Nube: and the round slider ends 01:30:256
23:39 Nube: it actually plays pretty decent
23:40 Nube:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/453563223:40 Nube: this even better
23:40 Nube: and less confusing
23:41 Shiirn: thats the problem of this track
23:41 Nube: mm it mixes 1/8 and 1/6 up
23:42 Nube: however it needs to be mapped on timing
23:42 Shiirn: yeah
23:42 Shiirn: at 100% you cant tell the difference between 1/8 and 1/6
23:42 Nube: well
23:42 Nube: I could feel something off about that pattern
23:42 Nube: it didnt sound on time
23:42 Nube: so I checked it slower and i was right
23:43 Shiirn: that entire slider
23:43 Nube: wait how about this
23:43 Shiirn: is actually
23:43 Nube:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/453564323:43 Shiirn: irre's
23:43 Shiirn: i want to remap that beat
23:43 Nube: I think that flows really wekk
23:43 Nube: well********
23:44 Shiirn: wekk
23:44 Nube: I guess using your slider shape could work too
http://puu.sh/n86SC/b8685ea0cd.jpg23:44 Shiirn: mmm
23:44 Shiirn: let's try it
23:44 *Shiirn nails down
23:44 Nube: its less confusing too

23:45 Shiirn: i guess
23:47 Nube: I get that you're using this slider for blanket, but the flow is just objectively wrong in every way, ctrl+g and blanket the left side instead xdd
23:47 Nube:
http://puu.sh/n875r/1a4788dd8c.jpg23:47 Nube: 01:36:020 (2) -
23:47 Shiirn: ...
23:47 Shiirn: tru
23:47 Shiirn: done
23:56 Nube: sometimes modhelp just gets on my nerves lol
23:57 Shiirn: lol
00:01 Nube: 01:35:186 (3) - feels right to end this on 1/6 here 01:35:256
00:01 Nube: there might be more of these tiny but relevant timings all over the map tbh
00:01 Shiirn: aaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:01 Shiirn: REEEEEEEEEE
00:01 Shiirn: im doing a forum mod
00:02 Nube:

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00:02 Shiirn: fieryrage's
00:16 Nube: right make sure u dont forget those timing changes in the extra too
00:17 Shiirn: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaewfaewfarf
00:17 Nube: I think I'm done with the mod, I lost my modding feel
00:17 Shiirn: REEEEEEEEE
00:18 Nube: I ASSUME YOU'LL CHECK ONE OF MY MAPS LATER CUZ THIS IS LIKE THE BIGGEST EFFORT I'VE PUT IN ANY MAP BUT MY OWN SINCE I QUIT MODDING HUE
00:18 Shiirn: ok
00:19 Shiirn: sure
00:19 Nube: written in blood
00:19 Nube: no but really good luck
00:19 Nube: I wouldn't rush it if I were you
00:19 Shiirn: dont forget
00:19 Shiirn: to post
00:19 Shiirn: for support
00:19 Shiirn: and kd
00:19 Shiirn: pls
00:20 Nube: oh ye lol
00:20 Shiirn: positive support super important
00:20 Nube: that part......