Broccoly wrote:

pity starred

good map

kuaib wrote:

k
quality mod kappa xd

hero
00:02:869 (4) - curve this a bit more to make it look more like 00:02:512 (3) - (better aesthetically) applied
00:20:548 (1) - i think its better just to make this a normal curve like 00:21:084 (3) - applied
00:46:441 (1,1) - i think it wouldn't hut to use them extended sliders here o/ ur preference though since back trackin is the play style here shorter is fine
01:01:084 (2,3,4) - uhh space these further from the slider, looks bad atm lol applied
01:02:512 (3,1) - maybe copy pasta these for better structure? cleaned visually
01:11:262 (5) - nc cuz u change direction here? thx, was too long of combo
00:56:262 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - u can reduce the spacing here to help contrast/emphasize 00:57:691 - this part
hm very few patterns can be polished up a bit but in general good concepts and good patterns idk i think this is fine

insane
00:23:405 (2,2) - copy pasta o/? applied
01:31:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - u need another nc somewhere between here i think. applied

hard
00:23:941 (3,4) - this spacing is a bit weird? i thought it was 1/1 gap because i usually manual stack those xD. i think u can just stack it normally applied
01:15:548 (4) - possible nc o/ applied
01:20:353 - idk if this is intentional but it seems to be missing that big crash sound or at least it sounds weird without it lol applied

advanced
i think this diff is fine. applied

normal
00:44:119 (4,1) - touching hp bar lel applied
leading into the kiai ur consistency in rhythm gets thrown off a bit but i don't think it's too problematic

gracefu wrote:

Insane

Intro and verses are pretty nice and consistent

00:58:584 (5) - I think this could use more emphasis adjusted as this way it looks more consistent with previous pattern

01:07:691 (1) - maybe ctrl g this for emphasis? kills 2's emphasis so no
01:09:119 (1) - ditto @ emphasis, but don't ctrl g this please XD adjusted slightly

01:25:710 (3) - Maybe move this left a little so the (1) is more emphasised? at the moment the (3) is more emphasised than the (1) applied

Cerulean Veyron wrote:

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[> General <]

1. - You have inconsistency with the video's offset, Anxient's Hard and My Hero! diffs aren't adjusted to -290, unlike any other diffs. So... Here: this was fixed when I changed to .avi so we good
   
   Video offset

   Normal, Advanced, and Insane:
   
   
   Anxient's Hard and My Hero!:
   
2. - You have two of your custom hitsounds have a possible delay going >5ms: with your normal-hitclap and normal-hitfinish. You could try cutting them via Audacity: i'll just have you send me the edited version later cause i dont have it installed atm
   
   CH

   
3. - Well, that's all I should say~

[> Normal <]

1. 00:11:798 - This tick is supposed to be clickable, the beat here is pretty dominant. So, instead of a repeatable slider, remove the repeat arrow and add a circle there. applied
2. 00:13:226 - You're probably not using this inherited point, Why not delete it, then? applied
3. 00:34:119 (2,3) - Optional Objective: That's WAAAAY high up there, touching the HP bar... Well, maybe it's my skin idk. I may suggest moving them down for visibility on the playfield. But if you had sth else to tell for this, you can keep this for that. applied
4. 00:36:976 (2) - Add a clap on the slider's tail (additions: normal), It's clear that you missed it here llool applied
5. 00:48:405 - Same as 00:13:226 - applied
6. 00:50:548 (3) - Having a finish hitsound here doesn't sound right with the music track. After all, there wasn't a crash or a ride samples on that part, so I guess removing it will make emphasis with both song and this object very balanced. applied
7. 00:56:262 (3) - Probably the same as above~ applied
8. 01:01:976 (3) - Nyeh, there are more of those... Didn't want to repeat the same thing just to boost up the mod size, so yeah lol. ????? what is problem
9. 01:16:084 - What's the use of putting a kiai time when there's no notes on this part at all? I prefer not doing this for avoiding the burst of brightness on gameplay. I wanted the fountain effect.
10. - Idk why you do many SV changes in this diff. But the spacing looks pretty right but extended a little on kiai times, so idk if it's really intentional or nyeh. Doesn't seem noticeable on gameplay, but if only you focus a lot more on slider velocity It would be. It's really polished tbh, so uhh GJ! tbh i used the same sv changes that my main difficulty uses cause i thought they'd feel right

[> Advanced <]

1. - soon
2. - I suggest CS3.5 for this diff for difficulty spread setting arrangements. applied
3. 00:08:226 (2,3) - Optional objective: One of the ridiculous mods I've mentioned, you can recorrect this blanket or not. Your choice. applied or atleast i tried to
4. 00:16:262 (1) - I prefer a 1/1 slider for this instead of a repeatable 1/2 one. Can also sound better in terms of rhythm and object's timeline. idk i feel like this is more work than its worth given that it would require rearranging alot, I think its fine the way it is
5. 00:37:512 (5) - Probably the same as above. Pretty much for the vocals for sure. i do like this the way it is tbh.
6. 00:54:655 (1) - Well, this is almost the same reason, but quite different If I can say. Maybe a better rhythm should do sth here, stressing the downbeat while starting a slider on the long tick can be suitable here: applied
   
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7. 00:55:905 (4) - Ehh, this slider is REALLY close to be offscreen, which leads to unrankability. Moving it up will suffice it's state~ applied
8. - Nice one! Nothing to say here but these~

[> Anxient's Hard <]

1. - Hi anxient, tell me why am i doing this yolo mod 4 u.
2. 00:00:548 (1) - This sliderslide sounds very, VERY, VERRRY irritating... when only the small drum-only hits for the Intro. Probably yes, get rid of it. applied, my bad i just didnt make that slider slide a soft
3. 00:02:155 - Pretty much unused inherited point. So mehh, delete this unnecessary green line. applied
4. 00:08:762 (5) - Afaik, this sounds really inaudible. Using soft sampleset here while the song takes too much emphasis... well yeah, inaudible. So i suggest changing the sampleset to Auto, or maybe Normal. applied, set it to drum, this was an old relic of previous hitsounding
5. 00:13:762 (1) - Swap the normal-clap on this slider, alike on head... Did you Ctrl + G'd here without hearing the hitsounds? applied, anxient pls
6. 00:14:119 (2) - Add clap on slider tail, for percussion ofc. applied
7. 00:37:155 (3,4,1) - Well, as usual... Swapping jumps in-between these notes are much preferred. If it's a new track you ask, yes.
8. - There are more of those, like 00:52:869 (3,4,1) - or 00:57:334 (4,1) - . Well.. many~ So I wouldn't waste my time mentioning all of them. these are used to enhance the emphasis on the note at the end, this is intentional choice that anxient made that allows for a bit of variety in the map, I will not change this.

Still, pH

Cerulean Veyron wrote:

2nd mod lel, no kds

[> Insane <]

1. 00:06:084 (1,2,3,4) - The spacings here looked quite odd, compared to 00:09:476 (3,4,5,6) - . It was like 1.3x spacing, then goes up to 1.5x where only the song's density went like... down. You know, "down".. it feels to me that such a change in distance is very small difference. I simply went with this design based off visual choice and pattern design. Unless you feel something is wrong with the pattern it really doesnt need changed.
2. 00:14:655 (1,2,3) - Well, this. I didn't really like it, even when it come to my favorite back-and-forth flows ;n; If you could change it into a possible triangle formation or sth else, it would be more interesting for an Insane diff like this one. i dont really see how i could change this into a triangle given that i have 4 notes (including the sliders end. I think this plays fine as is so.
3. 00:21:441 (3,1) - I didn't feel right when this is going to be played on gameplay. It shifts off the cursor movement and might ruin it's flowing. Best you'd try to Ctrl + G on slider (1), or curve slider (3) on the opposite side from it's current. That'd (at least) correct the structure for sure. applied, feels much better now
4. 00:23:226 (1,1) - Are these NCs necessary? Best you'd just add one NC on 00:23:405 (2) - and delete the rest.
5. 00:25:548 (1,1) - Same as above.
6. 00:48:762 (3,4,5,6) - Afaik, this part isn't a five-circles streaming. From what I can hear on the drums, it's just a triplet before the chrous. So yeah, how about removing 00:48:851 (4) - ? I can 100% confirm there is definitely a note on 4.
7. 00:51:798 (1,2) - The way how you ignore downbeat here feels unnatural. According to the song's rhythm it does not fit well. Maybe Ctrl + G this for a matching rhythm on the timeline, which would follow both vocal and instruments more correctly. Watch out for spacing, NC, and hitsound ;p applied
8. 00:57:512 (1,2) - Same tbh applied
9. 01:34:639 (2) - Forgot to change this to Additions: Normal? already caught, just hadnt uploaded, thx
10. - Well mapped, Just spotted a few things like rhythm and some patterns. Quite good anyways.

[> My Hero! <]

1. 00:16:262 (1,2) - A passive stack here doesn't even follow this track right, while the song takes too much emphasis ofc... since it's a new track overall. So maybe unstacking these two and continuing the singletapping throughout of it. the stack here is because the second note doesnt have much emphasis behind it, theres also no vocals on that note. This allows for more emphasis on 3 because you go from a stopped note to a jump. I will keep this for this reason.
2. 00:44:476 (8,9,1,2) - You could try a bit more different spacing, because this doesn't even looked like a shape or some pattern or anything. Might look random to me, so try a distance spacing of 2.2x here and redo the not-so-square formation. 00:43:941 (4,7,9) - these 3 notes are desined to be equal distance from eachother, this allows for a visually consistent design, the jump from 9 to 1 is the same distance as 8 to 9 so thats why I did that. if this okay now after explaining I'll leave it.
3. 01:11:976 - Are you REALLY serious about spamming NCs here?! HP6 almost looked a bit low, so how about removing them on 2/1 and 3/4 (2nd and 4th) ticks to avoid overdraining? actually this was a remnant of an old pattern, good catch.
4. - Probably was a great diff. Just a few issues found, and that NC on the kiai times are quite bugging me tbh. probably? rip

Let me check this again before bubble kthnx

1. As you were probably told, we discussed mp3 quality in #nominators and I found out that this one is 80kbps, which is not acceptable. Converting low quality mp3 to higher bitrate will only increase filesize. You should replace the mp3 with this alternative. Here's a proof that your mp3 cuts about 28% of frequencies.
   
   Your mp3

   
   192kbps

   
2. Romanized artist is incorrect. You must use Hagumi Nishizawa as artist does have preferred romanization. 'surname firstname' rule doesn't apply if preferred romanization exists.
3. I don't get, why people use .png backgrounds. First, it's not lossless if people are interested. Second, png is useless unless transparency is used. Third, you'll result in same quality if you use .jpg. For example with 90% quality, which is not noticeable, you'll have 1/2 of the file size. Why do I mention it anyway. If using storyboard or video, you have 30MB available instead of about 10 or so. That's to give you opportunity to make actually nice-looking storyboard or video with quite nice quality. You decided to fill this place with pngs that are not even improving the quality at all. However, the problem is while you are wasting the space with these pngs, your video quality stays the same and is not any cool. You can see the pixels even in the 848x480 resolution. I don't see any reason for video lacking quality, when even 4K of the opening is available and easy to obtain. I don't see any single reason to waste place with pngs where you aren't able to notice the difference, where video could be much better. I hope you'll consider it, I may provide you everything in appropriate quality once I get home. I don't think there's reason to waste that opportunity.
4. normal-hitfinish is way too loud. I would agree with the spam as it does make sense with music, but the volume is just causing my ears to bleed. This is first map where I really had to decrease hitsounds volume in order to play without headache.

Wafu wrote:

I have some concerns about the map. I'll raise them by editing this post. They're about mp3 quality (will provide new one), spread and others.

Makyu wrote:

You asked me to check the extra, here we go.

[Extra]

General

1. What do you think about renaming this to "Another". I think this diff doesn't play as Extra at all.

Playability

1. I think some of the strams are better to play them stacked: 00:07:334 (6,7,8,9) - 01:24:460 (7,8,9,10) - I like the design and motion of these as is.
2. This is more a personal opinion: this kind of overmapping: 00:01:977 (1,2) - doesn't really well, but as I said it's just my opinion. plays well the pattern i'm going for
3. what do you think about staking this two notes: 00:47:155 (1,1) - it feels better sinces it emphazises the start of the kiai way better, and gives a plus to the visual appeal applied
4. 01:19:996 (3) - This slider is really wreid to play, my suggestion. Looks and plays better in my opinion and fits better with your next pattern. I like it, applied.

Presentation

1. The map is really good made, but it feels a bit disorganized, for exapme, some of the slider can be improved, adding more consistency to them and not changing the shape of all: 00:10:548 (1,3) - this two are the one I will point, what do you thing about this. You can obviusly do it better with a blanket. I'm content with this pattern as is.
2. what do you think about changing this: 01:13:405 (1) - slider and keep following the previous pattern you have: like this applied
3. What do you think about changing the shape of this: 01:22:675 (4) - slider into this

I do a straight line here to imply that the direction is to the left, but in reality the song flops to the right, making it curve would make it lose this feel.

Nazi

1. Stack this well: 00:49:119 (1,2) - 00:12:869 (2) -

i think i applied this? im not sure what the second note was about?

Combos

1. Remove this NC 00:01:619 - it is not necesary since this 00:01:440 - NC emphasize well the start first nc dictates change to 1/2 second dictates start in song's guitar, looks good this way.
2. This NC is not necesary 00:46:798 - I want to accentuate this section with full nc. I think it's fine, will keep eye on it

Sounds

1. I think you are overusing the finish hitsound in this diff, I didn't checket the other diffs, but it's kind of annoyng to hear a finish hitsound so often, use them when the song emphasizes a change on the rhythm or when the drummer uses them, or if you think they all are really necesary try to lowe the volume of the finish by a bit. I'll see if there are areas in which this can be improved. or the option of lowering volume might be applied.

Overall

1. I liked this when I played, it was fun to play, the diffs looks a bit messy but I think it's your style I pointed one of the posible solutions to this problem that's up to you, the big problem with this is the overuse of the finish hitsound. Good job with this. thx bae

@Makyu: God forbid those who use Hyper/Another difficulty name for maps that are not even related to Beatmania IIDX. yeah thats why I didnt do that

1. As you were probably told, we discussed mp3 quality in #nominators and I found out that this one is 80kbps, which is not acceptable. Converting low quality mp3 to higher bitrate will only increase filesize. You should replace the mp3 with this alternative. Here's a proof that your mp3 cuts about 28% of frequencies. I of course will use higher quality versions when brought to my attention. I assumed this quality would be acceptable as I downloaded the PV directly from the company's website and then converted this to a 192 kbs mp3. Thank you for being able to find a better qaulity version.
   
   Your mp3

   
   192kbps

   
2. Romanized artist is incorrect. You must use Hagumi Nishizawa as artist does have preferred romanization. 'surname firstname' rule doesn't apply if preferred romanization exists. Applied, I was simply following what the company provided me for the artist as well.
3. I don't get, why people use .png backgrounds. First, it's not lossless if people are interested. Second, png is useless unless transparency is used. Third, you'll result in same quality if you use .jpg. For example with 90% quality, which is not noticeable, you'll have 1/2 of the file size. Why do I mention it anyway. If using storyboard or video, you have 30MB available instead of about 10 or so. That's to give you opportunity to make actually nice-looking storyboard or video with quite nice quality. You decided to fill this place with pngs that are not even improving the quality at all. However, the problem is while you are wasting the space with these pngs, your video quality stays the same and is not any cool. You can see the pixels even in the 848x480 resolution. I don't see any reason for video lacking quality, when even 4K of the opening is available and easy to obtain. I don't see any single reason to waste place with pngs where you aren't able to notice the difference, where video could be much better. I hope you'll consider it, I may provide you everything in appropriate quality once I get home. I don't think there's reason to waste that opportunity. As I am photoshopless, I didn't want to convert using paint. If you feel necessary then I'll change provided the other files.
4. normal-hitfinish is way too loud. I would agree with the spam as it does make sense with music, but the volume is just causing my ears to bleed. This is first map where I really had to decrease hitsounds volume in order to play without headache. I was addressing this currently actually.

Fort wrote:

wait me, dont too fast rank this map. atleast i want to mod this thing

[General]

1. 01:16:084 - the kiai time in here really blank and probably you need to turn of kiai section for this part a bit :(? I want the fountain effect on the last note, and I might as well carry it through to the end. of that section.
2. just it

[Extra]

1. i think AR9 is okay for this map, because you put fullscreen jumps on last kiai end, it probably make sense I did 8.9 cause insane is 8.6 and my hero! is 9.2, PROGRESSION!
2. 00:36:976 (4,5) - this stack a little bit tricky in first time, well i guess you need to make that notes didnt go stacked because 00:37:334 (6,7,8) - probably can be good if you put in 00:37:155 yeah i didnt like this part too, thanks! I figured out a better pattern
3. the rest is good to go

[my Hero]

1. 01:15:726 (2,3,4,1) - tbh this thing needs quite good reflexes to hit this thing, well stacked triplets makes your movement got slower than doing fullscreen jumps, so i think 01:16:084 (1) - this notes can be placed at 256|192 to make everything stable. probably alot people will got miss at there applied for now, will get some testplays.
2. 01:25:175 (2,3) - i think stack can be good option for this nah I like the motion of play here.
3. 01:33:210 (4,1) - a bit overlapped, move 1 to up or down a little bit applied i think
4. the rest diff is nice, good luck with rank this map

edit:
and one thing on my hero
00:36:262 (1) - this slider hit my HP bar, probably move down a bit adjusted slightly.

Xexxar wrote:

It should be no surprise that there are 318 jumps in this section as I did not map utilizing distance snap at all. 318 Jumps when I have 374 objects basically implies this. Simply put, this difficulties progression is fine and natural in the spread because there's a lot more logic in my maps than simply throwing circles down. What I mean is, this map is not distance snapped to begin with, so this number is misleading. If we take a look in the map's difficulty using Tom's old calculator, we see this:

What I want to point my attention to is the averages. In both difficulties, the difference in speed challenge is very small and as such is a natural continuation of the hard difficulty. The only thing that sets the map's difficulty apart is how the map's jumps and climax are reached. Basically, insane is a natural increase on the difficulty outside of the chorus's ultimatum. Not all spread's are going to be pishifat spreads anyway, so I believe this a suitable jump in difficulty.

While I agree that with the number not being accurate, not even Hard's number was accurate. But the point is even those inconsistencies are already making a difficulty gap. There are still too many techniques Hard player will get extremely confused by, +streams, +jumps, +note density - You cannot add all at once, that simply doesn't work in order to make a good spread.

Allow me to point out several things.

One: Intensity is relative. a persons overall experience and enthusiasm in a song is determined by they're appreciation and ability to get absorbed in the music. It's true that yes, for all songs, there is overarching level of what is appropriate intensity in a beatmap and what is not. However, for this song, constant drum beat in the background which had previous been on 2/1 moves to a 1/1 during it's most intense section. Now, I realize that if you simply look at the spacing its seems excessive, accept I have chosen to create My Hero! with a large level of spacing throughout, and this ultimatum is built to gradually gain intensity and enjoyment.

Yes, the song gets a little more intense in the part, but not that much to have fullscreen jumps. The map has jumps even in its calm part, which makes it even less sensible. I don't say this would be bad if the song was different and getting progressively more intense, but it is getting intense suddenly, while your map is increasing and increasing. The thing that is overdone is the fact that you basically have intensive map already, almost without some chill part, where opportunity was given, but gets only more intense. I just think that the mapset should stop on Extra difficulty (if not on Insane). Obviously, we want some intense maps and maps that are more enjoyable, but I still think the song has some cap where appropriate things end and it was exceeded in this case.

Two: This is 2015. Not all players are interested in boring gameplay (clearly you are however given your mapping list which I don't believe has a difficulty above 3.6 stars?). There is no problems with creating a beatmap with the intention of catering to the more skilled crowd if the map's structure and quality remains high and the previous and the flow and design is logical and enjoyable. While I would quote a QAT that I specifically talked to about my use of spacin in this difficulty, I never asked him for permission to quote him so I will not. With Reol - Monster just being ranked, an arguably less intense song catering patterns such as:

First of all, how what is this: "clearly you are however given your mapping list which I don't believe has a difficulty above 3.6 stars?", I don't believe this is anything but telling me I cannot criticize others just because I don't make extra beatmaps. I don't make them because I like different music and I enjoy to map that. That's not really related, I could even compare it to Godwin's Law, which basically says that any online discussion can end up in comparing one's behavior with Nazism - in the meaning that if you have an opinion and the other side doesn't agrees, he'll pick irrelevant reasons to not agree and take it on personal level, even calling you Nazi or whatever. I don't think you should even point this out, don't consider my real life and personality to counter-argument my concerns.

"This is 2015" - Exactly, it's 2015, clearly meaning that people had enough time to realize what quality is and uplift the quality standards. I don't see a reason why to accept something what is already over the song's limits. If it goes over the limits, there's no way it would make sense with music. If you make constant spacing of 2.0x, it doesn't make 3.0x jumps appropriate as even the first value doesn't fit the song. For example, while Drop - Granat by Lan wings was super overhyped beatmap, it doesn't make it any good when it comes to quality. The song itself is pretty chilly, but the map is pretty intense for fun purposes. If you want fun map, apply it to song that is appropriate for it.

"There is no problems with creating a beatmap with the intention of catering to the more skilled crowd if the map's structure and quality remains high and the previous and the flow and design is logical and enjoyable." - Just the intention of creating something for skilled players on such song is not appropriate aspect as you make something what doesn't fit the song's intensity anymore, therefore you decrease the quality.

"While I would quote a QAT that I specifically talked to about my use of spacin in this difficulty, I never asked him for permission to quote him so I will not." - Asking QAT does not guarantee correct answer. QAT's opinion may be incorrect, QATs are not gods who know everything. If something is wrong in someone's eyes, it may be okay in other's eyes. If QAT says something, it doesn't mean a BN or regular mapper is wrong, if he provided logical argument. You can even get a response: "It's okay", which tells you nothing and it's actually happening pretty often, depends on how tolerant and caring about quality is the certain QAT. I don't think it's proper argument to say that someone said it's okay, honestly.

"With Reol - Monster just being ranked, an arguably less intense song catering patterns such as:" - Recently qualified beatmaps are not an argument at all. That is basically saying that QATs and BNs are 100% reliable and provide 100% of quality, which is NOT true. If you want my opinion, then for example I think MONSTER is not perfect as well, for example Fort's Extra could be improved a lot. BUT, mostly, those extra diffs were more logically mapped than this. Because while you have many opportunities to use jumps and make intense parts (now talking about cymbals, there's not even single one that's emphasized noticeably), you just decided to make everything intense, which doesn't reflect the song in any way. Even calm parts, even intense parts were intense, just one part that was getting more intense got more intense and that was actually the overkill, which makes this map really overdone.

It's clear that, if this pattern, ranked just days ago for the other map is acceptable in the eyes of QAT, my map's use of gradually building intensity and climax is at least somewhat legal in terms of the amount of spacing used. I won't deny the fact that yes, technically this mapset could be uploaded without this difficulty and still be fine, but as I have done extensive polishing and testing, I believe that this beatmap is not only perfectly acceptable but extremely enjoyable and fun. This game is not art, I create things that people can enjoy and play.

"ranked just days ago for the other map is acceptable in the eyes of QAT" - QAT is nothing else but a normal modder as we others are just with ability to disqualify, if he thinks something is fine, it doesn't have to be fine.

"acceptable but extremely enjoyable and fun" - Honestly, I am a naive person in real life, but I would never say that my map is acceptable. The fact that something is acceptable is cool, but other thing is whether it's high quality. It's irrelevant example, but I think I can still imply it on this. Imagine I have a child who's being loud in a shop, so I slap him to make him quiet (while it will most likely cry but w/e) - People will see it as acceptable thing, because I wanted it to shut up, but it decreases the quality of my parenthood, ain't it? The same can be applied on mapping.

"This game is not art" - It basically is. Why would we have storyboards if it wasn't? And the maps could be done by BOTs if it wasn't. Just making creative slider is making it automatically an art. tl;dr fergas

Xexxar wrote:

I'm not going to continue this debate.

If you don't like the fact that I have included a difficulty that is in your mind overmapped, don't play it. It's really as a simple as that. I don't see what the problem is with including this difficulty because it's extremely polished and plays well. If you feel that its too intense for the song that's your OPINION. I chose to create it like this and I have no intention of changing it unless a legitimate FLAW is brought to my attention.

As for the spread between hard to insane, have you ever considered that Anxient and I are different people and have different opinions as to how we map and what we chose to do in our maps? It's baffling to me that you actually believe there is a problem between these two difficulties. Hard has some 1/4th, insane includes more 1/4th. Hard has some jumps, insane has more jumps. Hard has a low note density, Insane has a bit higher note density. Why would I seperately introduce things like streams and jumps? Naturally accumulating all elements of the play to not favorite any particular type of play is honestly MORE appropriate than any other method of difficulty spread designing.

Wafu wrote:

Xexxar wrote:

You basically deny me to do what BNs are supposed to do - Provide subjective opinion to improve beatmap's quality and that should be discussed. It's fun is not a reason to not fix something at the expense of quality.

1. I dislike using really short combos, like 2 objects and then ncing like in 01:11:805 - a lot
   the reason for that is simple: They distort how hp drain works, a lot.
   "The rate at which HP decreases, which is always constant except during breaks. Further HP is lost with misses. HP is recovered by getting a score value and spinning spinners. More HP is recovered with Geki and Katu at the end of a combo."
   this also accounts for an extra loss if missing that iirc:
   so a part with combospam either gives back A FUCKTON OF HP for hitting 3 easy circles correctly
   or punishing you a lot for missing one of them, but that's ok since the rest of the combos are going to give you back a lot hp !!!!!
2. the video may have some spots that blend in with the combocolors of this difficulty, but i'm not sure about that but you should check that as the RC requires you to lol
3. also if you want to combo according to stuff in the song you should swap the combos of 00:15:913 (8,1) - 00:17:341 (7,1) - because they have strong piano and vocal impacts while the "downbeat" just has nothing in comparison, applies to more than these 2 so don't fuck your comboing in case you agree lol

1. the first 3 objects sound like im hitting a bucket instead of a drum rim
2. 00:01:806 (1,2) - 00:07:520 (1,2) - and the like: not saying i'm against extended sliders but i don't think they work in this context, forcing a click on these felt odd because i assumed the first one is 1/2 instead of 1/4 but even then it created an kind of awkward stop for me so i'd just use more simple 1/1 sliders but uh
   i do a lot of other weird stuff so
3. 00:13:234 - to 00:18:948 - can you like.. be consistent about which notes you stack and which not right now this section leaves me wondering why you stacked some notes and others are jumps and vice versa.
   would make a lot more sense to me if you either explained these or made these stacks in a way that you don't get me to ask you why you stacked 00:16:091 (1,2) - and didn't stack 00:14:663 (1,2) - e t c
4. 00:21:805 (1) - Needs waaaayy more impact compared to the other spacing things around it, it got a strong cymbal and everything but spacing is baby, direction change is also smooth, lacks emphasis except if this is what you went for
   otherwise more spacing would b nice
5. 00:24:305 (8,1) - ok you pretty much disregard strong cymbals when doing spacing or what
6. 00:27:163 (7,1) - man this actually threw me off because it's "just drums and drums only" but vocals and piano have such a strong impact on 00:27:341 -
   also the transition between this is pretty much awkward
7. 00:40:734 (2,3) - considering overall spacing in this part this is prettyyy low
8. 00:42:698 (6,8,9,1,3) - MAN THIS LOOKED LIKE YOU'LL KEEP DOING A STRAIGHT LINE THING AND THEN YOU COMPLETELY BREAK IT WITH THE LAST OBJECT LINKED WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO MY OCD
9. 00:45:913 (3) - duddd if you spam combos at least structure them according to vocals and combo this too
10. fuck i commented about combos outside general
11. 00:52:877 (5,1) - this is a chorus right? why does spacing more or less resemble 00:13:234 (1,2) - when the 2nd object has a loud crash
12. 00:56:627 (4) - should have more spacing if it's emphasising vocals
13. 00:58:413 (6,7) - what's the reason for this slowdown in spacing, it seems intentional but i can't explain it by thinking a bit about it
14. 00:59:663 (1,2,3,4) - these should be structured in pars of 2, right now you have 00:59:663 (1,2,3) - as a group and 01:00:198 (4) - isolated and emphasised because it breaks the triangle, the song does very basic 12 12 back forth though so this pattern and maybe similar things - if you should spot them - could fit the song better by being a bit restructured
15. 01:01:448 (6,1) - making this circular plays like ass to be honest, if you could break the circular motion for something going upwards etc it'd probably flow better but that would require rearranging the whole next pattern
    though it still flows like ass in a circular way like this
16. 01:04:127 (6) - why is this so small i don't get it at all, makes the jump to 01:04:305 (7) - feel a bit odd to me because this one doesn't have strong instruments to support it except for the vocal
    which you don't seem to be following much anyways
17. 01:10:913 (4,1) - meh 1 needs more focus and lower spacing won't make me focus on 1
18. 01:12:163 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - oh look a ton of back and forth jumps
    could be Madoka's Kneesocks diff tbh
    seems a bit unoriginal but plays fine
    I don't even know why or if people enjoy this kind of thing if you throw it on too many songs it might get old but zzzezzzzzzzz
19. 01:20:182 (1) - do you have to have this fucking strong cymbal on its end like
    u usually focus these with circles only, why sacrificing it for an instrument you barely follow

Okoratu wrote:

man what the hell i'm not going to read that whole debate, instead i'll throw in my own opinion so each side has things to be mad about
hurray, merry christmas, btw

Xexxar, you seem to have confused two entirely different terms:
Overmapping and overdone. The former means placing notes without having sounds to support them or extending sliders etc
The latter means someone thinks you used an inappropriate way to represent something.
Those are different, and they can stack, just wanted to let you know so you don't confuse people who differentiate between those two things (like me lol)
Your comment towards wafu and his mapping preferences were kinda RUDE

[General]
01:15:913 - timing point seems unnecessary and only for the sake of smooth timing or..? The map's offset changes after the vocals. This timing point is used to correct to the new offset.
01:18:932 - adding a timing point for a metronome reset so the cymbals on nightcore align would make sense but it's not necessary above

[My Hero!]
I mean while the diffname is okayish it for sure isn't creative, you could probably try to come up with some thing which is related in some kind while not only copying something from the lyrics and the song title?
I mean this is basically up to you but i'd try to hide some easter eggs in diffnames because i think it's the funniest thing ever imo. I'll see if I can come up with something, Maybe "My Hiro!" given that it's in the video LOL but I havent played the game so Idk.
[General]
yea a general section for an entire difficulty because I hate repeating myself

1. I dislike using really short combos, like 2 objects and then ncing like in 01:11:805 - a lot
   the reason for that is simple: They distort how hp drain works, a lot.
   "The rate at which HP decreases, which is always constant except during breaks. Further HP is lost with misses. HP is recovered by getting a score value and spinning spinners. More HP is recovered with Geki and Katu at the end of a combo."
   this also accounts for an extra loss if missing that iirc:
   so a part with combospam either gives back A FUCKTON OF HP for hitting 3 easy circles correctly
   or punishing you a lot for missing one of them, but that's ok since the rest of the combos are going to give you back a lot hp !!!!! My NC was for the purpose of visuals in this section. I don't really think I'll change it due to the breaking of patterns...
2. the video may have some spots that blend in with the combocolors of this difficulty, but i'm not sure about that but you should check that as the RC requires you to lol As for the colors, they're from the picture that anxient linked at the begining of the thread, they're the four girl's avatar color. I'll do some more testing to confirm if the colors are indeed problematic.
3. also if you want to combo according to stuff in the song you should swap the combos of 00:15:913 (8,1) - 00:17:341 (7,1) - because they have strong piano and vocal impacts while the "downbeat" just has nothing in comparison, applies to more than these 2 so don't fuck your comboing in case you agree lol i hadnt really planned to do anything unique with combo coloring, I might tho

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1. the first 3 objects sound like im hitting a bucket instead of a drum rim LOL, idk, I think it sounds fine on it's own.
2. 00:01:806 (1,2) - 00:07:520 (1,2) - and the like: not saying i'm against extended sliders but i don't think they work in this context, forcing a click on these felt odd because i assumed the first one is 1/2 instead of 1/4 but even then it created an kind of awkward stop for me so i'd just use more simple 1/1 sliders but uh
   i do a lot of other weird stuff so I kept the 3/4 in this case and moved the note out from underneath to trad
3. 00:13:234 - to 00:18:948 - can you like.. be consistent about which notes you stack and which not right now this section leaves me wondering why you stacked some notes and others are jumps and vice versa.
   would make a lot more sense to me if you either explained these or made these stacks in a way that you don't get me to ask you why you stacked 00:16:091 (1,2) - and didn't stack 00:14:663 (1,2) - e t c What I do here is whenever the vocals are "paused" or shes not singing 1/2 and the second note is NOT a clap I will stack. Hope this explains it!
4. 00:21:805 (1) - Needs waaaayy more impact compared to the other spacing things around it, it got a strong cymbal and everything but spacing is baby, direction change is also smooth, lacks emphasis except if this is what you went for
   otherwise more spacing would b nice the vocals are very slow and drawn out therefore so is my motion for that slider.
5. 00:24:305 (8,1) - ok you pretty much disregard strong cymbals when doing spacing or what we come from an intense section to a slower section so thats why the spacing is lower on the there, it doesnt matter that the cymbal is there because i want to illicit a reduction in the feel of the map
6. 00:27:163 (7,1) - man this actually threw me off because it's "just drums and drums only" but vocals and piano have such a strong impact on 00:27:341 -
   also the transition between this is pretty much awkward hmm... I don't really find this jarring... I think the bulk of the voice and guitar is emphasized on the downbeat so constructing it this way feels more natural to me. Will leave for now.
7. 00:40:734 (2,3) - considering overall spacing in this part this is prettyyy low adjusted
8. 00:42:698 (6,8,9,1,3) - MAN THIS LOOKED LIKE YOU'LL KEEP DOING A STRAIGHT LINE THING AND THEN YOU COMPLETELY BREAK IT WITH THE LAST OBJECT LINKED WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO MY OCD tbh that bugged me too, idk why I left it. fixed.
9. 00:45:913 (3) - duddd if you spam combos at least structure them according to vocals and combo this too applied
10. fuck i commented about combos outside general rip
11. 00:52:877 (5,1) - this is a chorus right? why does spacing more or less resemble 00:13:234 (1,2) - when the 2nd object has a loud crash adjusted slightly
12. 00:56:627 (4) - should have more spacing if it's emphasising vocals adjusted slightly
13. 00:58:413 (6,7) - what's the reason for this slowdown in spacing, it seems intentional but i can't explain it by thinking a bit about it 00:58:591 (7) - is a weak beat in the music, therefore I deemphasized it in the pattern? It also looks clean in it's location.
14. 00:59:663 (1,2,3,4) - these should be structured in pars of 2, right now you have 00:59:663 (1,2,3) - as a group and 01:00:198 (4) - isolated and emphasised because it breaks the triangle, the song does very basic 12 12 back forth though so this pattern and maybe similar things - if you should spot them - could fit the song better by being a bit restructured this is actually my favorite pattern in the map so i'll likely be pretty stern with my opinion. I am following the synth sound in the background and this pattern feels extremely logical and natural to me. I do not like how 4 is isolated persay but the motion it evolks is perfect.
15. 01:01:448 (6,1) - making this circular plays like ass to be honest, if you could break the circular motion for something going upwards etc it'd probably flow better but that would require rearranging the whole next pattern
    though it still flows like ass in a circular way like this I don't really agree. I'll keep my eye on this section though.
16. 01:04:127 (6) - why is this so small i don't get it at all, makes the jump to 01:04:305 (7) - feel a bit odd to me because this one doesn't have strong instruments to support it except for the vocal theres no strong beat on 6 and but theres a strong clap on 7 and the vocals so this spacing seems natural to me.
    which you don't seem to be following much anyways
17. 01:10:913 (4,1) - meh 1 needs more focus and lower spacing won't make me focus on 1 1 is a weak beat in this section as the intesnity dies down before starting up again in the next kiai. what's inappropriate about that?
18. 01:12:163 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - oh look a ton of back and forth jumps
    could be Madoka's Kneesocks diff tbh
    seems a bit unoriginal but plays fine
    I don't even know why or if people enjoy this kind of thing if you throw it on too many songs it might get old but zzzezzzzzzzz If you can help me capture this rhythm with better patterns I'd be very interested. As such the back and forth patterns match the back and forth of the snare and the drum in the beat so it will stay for now
19. 01:20:182 (1) - do you have to have this fucking strong cymbal on its end like
    u usually focus these with circles only, why sacrificing it for an instrument you barely follow tbh my whole focus on this section is on the guitar, I adjusted the pattern regardless tho

My overall opinion of this is that while it still makes sense and all that stuff the patterns you used can get old quickly honestly if there was a better way to represent this pattern in the music then I would use it but I do feel that it's appropriate, as you've stated.
and that this looks like pp mapping for that reason
but uh i guess the way to represent this song this way still makes sense within the difficulty
i just don't like these kind of diffs, at all but that's none of your concern i guess.
The choke point climaxing patterns fit the song and the overall atmosphere and the overall spacing concept of this diff is pretty high so having patterns like this seems natural to me

Anxient wrote:

holy shit what happened here

Cerulean Veyron wrote:

Rebubbled~ And yes, this will be the last one if sth worse is going on.

We deleted the old1.wav useless file, and adjusted few hitsounds by adding claps/whistles on some parts in-game. Let's make sure no shtstorm happens like that......"it", again ;n;

Cerulean Veyron wrote:

"Let's make sure no shtstorm happens like that......"it", again ;n;"

Chat

Later:

Wafu wrote:

"There is no problems with creating a beatmap with the intention of catering to the more skilled crowd if the map's structure and quality remains high and the previous and the flow and design is logical and enjoyable." - Just the intention of creating something for skilled players on such song is not appropriate aspect as you make something what doesn't fit the song's intensity anymore, therefore you decrease the quality.